Texansballer74
The Marine
Yeah I'm with Thunderkyss on this one, hahaha we need a win badly. We're seriously arguing about David Carr. People it's 2016. Hahaha
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Then opposing defenses aren't doing a very good job at catching up, because that whole Vikings' offense has been dumbed down for Sam Bradford, playing to his strengths. They are NOT running Norv Turner's complete set. I can't attest to the validity or not, but didn't they say during the game that they simplified the playcalling down to single words that Norv would call down to Bradford?
The season is still young, so opposing teams might catch up to the Vikes; nevertheless, I believe it would behoove the Texans to take a similar approach.
The Vikings offense was putrid before they played us. They're still ranked behind our putrid offense in total yards. Yeah they dumbed it down a bit, tailored to Bradford last Sunday, but going forward they're going to have to add more & more.
I think we're saying the same thing. O'b is going to have to simplify it for Osweiler this week. Next week for sure. Then try to add to it at the bye.
Which is totally different than what they're doing for Wentz & Presscott. They started off with the dumb it down approach, where Osweiler's been trying to learn everything from the start.
I know Osweiler is a fifth year vet & Wentz is a rookie. But look at Osweiler's stats against Chicago week 1. Then look at Wentz' stats against Chicago in week 2. Then look at Presscott's stats against Chicago in week 3. It'll be clear as day we should have drafted Presscott...... j/k
I honestly think everyone is overreacting to how Osweiler played against some really good defenses. He'll be more comfortable Sunday night going against a defense that's closer to the rest of the NFL than what the Vikings were. He'll get back on track towards improving every single game. Come December, I doubt any of us would care how much they spent on him.
No. I mean Osweiler sat in the back seat learning Kubiak's offense (learning to drive in America) and now he's having to run O'Brien's (moved to England and having to re-learn how to drive over there). There will be an adjustment period. Ask your friends if it didn't take some getting used to when the first moved from one to the other.What witt?
It should be the other way around.
Remember how many SBs Bill Walsh had won with the WCO?
Then how steady Shanahan made the Beoncos.
You would think that if it's an easy system to run, and have great sucess, that more people would do it, right?
Or you mean the 5-2 record by Osweiler was a fluke, as he was only sitting in the back seat?
Hmm, come to think of that.
You may have a point there.
That is a result of Brady having years of experience. Very few situations are unfamiliar to him because he's been there/done that - in the biggest games.You know, that is a very good explanation, but I am not sure I agree. Brock had many months to practice on-the-road with mini camps, OTA's, training camp, plus extra practice in Arizona. He should already be proficient by now. Now everybody has a bad game or two, but even when Tom Brady is having a bad day, you don't seem him "running scared" as Brock has done in the games against the Pats and Vikes.
Even if I get to take the number 1 in the last draft, I don't have to pay the freaking $18M and $37M guarantee, whatever the number.
Why does it bother you what Osweiler is paid? It didn't stop us from getting a highly rated guard & RB. If we had decided to sign an offensive tackle, we have enough flexibility in existing contracts to make it happen.
$18M or a first round pick. It's a wash to me.
I agree with all of this and would like to add both Dallas and Philly have a much better offensive line.The Vikings offense was putrid before they played us. They're still ranked behind our putrid offense in total yards. Yeah they dumbed it down a bit, tailored to Bradford last Sunday, but going forward they're going to have to add more & more.
I think we're saying the same thing. O'b is going to have to simplify it for Osweiler this week. Next week for sure. Then try to add to it at the bye.
Which is totally different than what they're doing for Wentz & Presscott. They started off with the dumb it down approach, where Osweiler's been trying to learn everything from the start.
I know Osweiler is a fifth year vet & Wentz is a rookie. But look at Osweiler's stats against Chicago week 1. Then look at Wentz' stats against Chicago in week 2. Then look at Presscott's stats against Chicago in week 3. It'll be clear as day we should have drafted Presscott...... j/k
I honestly think everyone is overreacting to how Osweiler played against some really good defenses. He'll be more comfortable Sunday night going against a defense that's closer to the rest of the NFL than what the Vikings were. He'll get back on track towards improving every single game. Come December, I doubt any of us would care how much they spent on him.
Carson Wentz or Brock Osweiler?
Bother? Me? Never.Why does it bother you what Osweiler is paid? It didn't stop us from getting a highly rated guard & RB. If we had decided to sign an offensive tackle, we have enough flexibility in existing contracts to make it happen.
$18M or a first round pick. It's a wash to me.
Bother? Me? Never.
I disagreed with the trade value for Schaub plus the contract.
I disagreed with the extension.
I disagreed with the extention to Carr.
I disagreed with paying Osweiler at any number of dollar. I don't go buy a pair of shoes just because it's cheap. I want a pair of comfortable shoes.
But Bother, No.
More like indifferent.
I'm not wearing that pair of shoes.
Even if I get to take the number 1 in the last draft, I don't have to pay the freaking $18M and $37M guarantee, whatever the number.
There you go.Hmpf....
Sounds like it bothers you.
It counts toward learning/operating Kubiak's offensive system.Obsi,
I laid down the question.
What happened to Osweiler's 5-2 record with the Broncos?
Does it count or not?
David Carr didn't pick himself 1-1.
He also didn't put in the work to try and justify being picked there either. Even he admits he didn't do what he needed to do to be successful. From all reports he is a really nice guy who is a wonderful father, husband, neighbor, and friend. A genuinely good person.
He wasn't going to succeed anywhere in the NFL that didn't let him sit and grow up for a few years though and maybe not even then.
David Carr didn't pick himself 1-1.
And you still don't see what I mean?that's not exactly putting words in your mouth.
Perhaps we can draw the comparison with Case Keenum.It counts toward learning/operating Kubiak's offensive system.
Has it helped him operate O'Brien's offense proficiently? Apparently not as yet.
Now to be an apple-to-apples comparison, did Keenum in 2014 or 15 have to learn the entire playbook, as Osweiler is expected to or did the coaches give him an abbreviated version to pick up in a short time? I think we both know in both cases Keenum came into an emergency situation and was given a shortened playbook to pick up.Keenum had to learn new offenses, too.
And he had to learn them fast, as in on-the-fly.
But he gets them quickly.
Osweiler did not.
Osweiler even had the benefit of a full training camp with the no. 1 unit here in Houston.
Keenum did not have that when he returned to the Texans in 2014.
He did not have that opportunity in 2015 with the Rams either.
And yet, their numbers are more or less the same.
Keenum may not have the arm strength, nor the big hand size, nor the height.
But he definitely is a much smarter guy that knows what he's doing out there.
Osweiler... not so much.
Sorry Herv, but this is the singularly dumbest statement made about a draft pick. He made himself eligible for the draft and had his agent pushing his stock the moment he declared. David Carr picked himself first overall ... the Texans failed by agreeing with him. I don't remember a press conference saying 'I look forward to clocking in from 9 to 5'. 'I'm excited about doing just enough to have my parents in the stands on Sundays'. 'Hopefully a good team will pick me in the 4th round!!!'. No, he picked himself 1-1, and the Texans crapped the next 5 years by making that suggestion a reality.
Now to be an apple-to-apples comparison, did Keenum in 2014 or 15 have to learn the entire playbook...
All QBs are given the same play book.Now to be an apple-to-apples comparison, did Keenum in 2014 or 15 have to learn the entire playbook, as Osweiler is expected to or did the coaches give him an abbreviated version to pick up in a short time? I think we both know in both cases Keenum came into an emergency situation and was given a shortened playbook to pick up.
It's kind of like what the Vikes did with Sam Bradford. Turner started with what he knew Bradford could do and built a playbook around that. As the season progresses they'll continue to build upon those plays and add new stuff to the playbook.
That's what O'Brien should have done with Osweiler; studied what he did well and built his playbook around that. Looks to me like he (O'Brien) has Osweiler drinking from a firehose as in trying to learn everything at once.
But maybe you're right. Maybe Keenum is sharper. I remember you were rather disappointed when he was let go from here.
Let's say we see Strong run a reverse from the left to right out 12 personnel at minute 4 of the third quarter.All QBs are given the same play book.
For each game, the coaches select a number of play series.
A few years ago, the media (I can't remember which one) said that the Jaguars beat the Texans with just 5 or 6 plays.
That's not true. They are rather series of plays.
Let's say series one is with a 11personnel, and 3 receivers in bunch formation on the other side of the TE.
From this personnel, the QB can call a flip. He can call a run off tackle left.
He can call for a few different route combinations.
At any rate, the team only practice a certain number of play series from the play book each week.
So the point here is that the QB needs to master those plays in that one week.
The playbook may contain 120 play series.
But the team only practices maybe 6 play series for that one particular game , for that particular opponent, that particular week.
So the key thing is for the QB not to look lost.
Not to check down too early when there's no rush coming.
Or to make sure the ball get out on time.
Know where the first down marker is.
Things like that.
Osweiler is very lacking in those regards.
Spot on.I think most here are putting ample responsibility (blame) on Osweiler.There are a few here over emphasizing the OL culpability. Obsiwan isn't one of them. I'm not one of them.
ObsiWan argues that even though Brock started seven games in Denver we shouldn't expect MVP play out of him five games into this season (note, neither ObsiWan or myself started this thread).
I only question that anyone thinks Keenum had demonstrated mastery of an offensive game plan. So far, (& I like Keenum & I want him to be a success) the only thing he has proven is that he can win games when handing the ball off to Arian Foster or Todd Gurley.
76Texan... last two posts, great stuff. I agree. But I think we forgot what we are arguing. Seems we're all on the same page here.
Good post. & I agree with most of it. My only nit to pick is that I really don't think Brock had a tendency to stare down receivers.
I agree and I'm glad someone has finally made this point. The only thing I would add is, in the micro-second following the processing of the field view, is the ability to react with a quick release and accurate throw. Except for the accuracy, I don't think this ability can be learned or acquired. A QB either has it or doesn't...I question whether he is registering everything in his field of view and is getting much information from his peripheral vision. I think the ability to gather and process the peripheral information is one of the things that separates the good ones from the great ones...
I agree and I'm glad someone has finally made this point. The only thing I would add is, in the micro-second following the processing of the field view, is the ability to react with a quick release and accurate throw. Except for the accuracy, I don't think this ability can be learned or acquired. A QB either has it or doesn't.
I haven't seen an elite level of this skill in Qz.
Spot on.
And if we aren't discussing what I bolded then I've forgotten what the original point of discussion was myself
but there is a difference between knowing a playbook and being able to execute it on the field
Possible, oh no they all suck.It's quite possible that the OL, Brock, and the coaching all suck concurrently.
Are you believing what you’re seeing Houston Texans‘ fans? Are you surprised? Well, let elaborate what I’m talking about. I’m referring to our dismal quarterback play as of late. Brock Osweiler, the $72 million man that we’ve anointed to rescue us from the mediocre quarterbacks that we’ve had over the years has forsaken us.
It's quite possible that the OL, Brock, and the coaching all suck concurrently.