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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

Texansballer74 said:
You do know he really wanted Brock to stay with the Broncos?
You do know he would've been their starter?
You do know Brock stop the negotiations with them?

Brandon is not better than Savage lol. Thus the reason why he's the 3rd string QB.
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The only reason Savage is 2nd string is because he's been in the Texans' system for 3 years. I see the Texans trading Weeden in mid-season when some team's QB goes down.

But I stick to my guns, Weeden is better than Osweiler. Time will prove that.
 
76Texan said:
What do you know.
That college QB Deshaun Watson just beat the Tampa 2 easily.
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So you pick one random play out of an entire random college game to try to make some random point about a specific coverage? And to try to make that point, you pick out a guy that threw 3 INTs (4 if you count the two point attempt that got picked off) as your measure for what Os should aspire to be?

How does that have anything to do with the conversation about Os? Why even add that to what's been said? You come off as a guy that's just bitter about the Texans signing Os and you have no intention at all of having a real conversation.

I bet I could go through Fitz's 6 INT game from last week and pick out one single play where he beat a specific coverage. So what?
 
Haha, it's game day; I don't want to be Negative Nancy so I'll just tell you I'm happy as a lark.

This is just a game; it will never make or break my mood.
 
Where are all those fans that said Luck deserves that bloated contract. And that every team would pay him that type of money.

He is looking horrible again.

Weeden is not better than Brock or Savage Thorsson. Man you need to stop it. Lol
 
Savage has a much quicker release, throws the prettiest spiral for a Houston QB since Warren Moon and has IMO better brain power. See what he can do
 
Texansballer74 said:
Where are all those fans that said Luck deserves that bloated contract. And that every team would pay him that type of money.

He is looking horrible again.

Weeden is not better than Brock or Savage Thorsson. Man you need to stop it. Lol
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Cam and the Panthers have looked terrible as well. What's your point? While it is still ultimately a team game where his OL, WR and TE have to perform, QB is the MOST important. Every team would have given him the same type of money in the same situation the Colts were in. Arguing otherwise with hindsight being 20/20 is completely stupid.
 
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Brock's MVP campaign still in full swing?

Grabbed a shot of the campaign HQ

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Think that's his sister.
 
If Osweiler throws another stupid INT where he is forcing the throw, he needs to be pulled in favor of Savage. I want to see how Savage would do with the weapons we have. The only obvious negative with Savage in comparison to Os is mobility. He is better at reading defenses, making quick decisions and throwing more accurate balls with a quicker release than Os.
 
TexansFight said:
If Osweiler throws another stupid INT where he is forcing the throw, he needs to be pulled in favor of Savage. I want to see how Savage would do with the weapons we have. The only obvious negative with Savage in comparison to Os is mobility. He is better at reading defenses, making quick decisions and throwing more accurate balls with a quicker release than Os.
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I agree but I think the Obrien and the front office are sensitive to the fact that they paid a non proven qb 18 mill a year and then go to one that is making minimum wage.
 
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chenjy9 said:
I haven't looked at any stats yet, but the eye test tells me most of his INT's have been when he is trying to force it to Hopkins in single coverage situations.
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today for sure. once against KC that I remember.
 
& I think Osweiler had a fine game. another positive step. a handful 9f horrible throws.

I'm starting to like the kid.
 
What's the NFL record for most interceptions thrown by a starting quarterback on a team that wins a division? Brock Osweiler already has 6 picks in 4 games: 3-1 record and a two-game lead over all three division opponents (Jaguars, Titans and Colts all 1-3).

I know that Phil Simms once won a Super Bowl with the New York Giants way back in the '80s when he threw more INTs than TDs that year, but I don't recall how many he threw.

I really hope that Brock Osweiler can tone down the interceptions. He looked really good in the first quarter today. We had a 14-0 lead led by his two TD passes. Early on he was incredible and looked elite. That play-action pass to Ryan Griffin for a 45-yard strike down the side lines was a beautiful pass.
 
thunderkyss said:
& I think Osweiler had a fine game. another positive step. a handful 9f horrible throws.

I'm starting to like the kid.
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I just wish we can erase those two more interceptions that he threw. We should have defeated the Titans more comfortably, by two or three scores. It seemed like we had to sweat this one out and escape with that 27-20 win. Thanks to Will Fuller's 67-yard punt return. This was a tied game late in the third quarter which surprised me!

I'll tell you right now... If we expect to win a tough road game at Minnesota next Sunday and improve to 4-1. We better not give up multiple turnovers. Beating the Titans at home is one thing. Trying to beat a solid team on the road requires better "and smarter" football. We can't be turning the ball over so much!

Brock has to be seeing something in the film room.
I keep seeing the same mistakes out of him with his INTs...

Brock Osweiler can become an elite QB if he gets it right.
 
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That's now 12 picks in 11 career starts.

I've seen great QBs in the past with similar stats, so Brock could turn himself around, but right now it's looking rather bleak for his MVP candidacy.

If his turnaround doesn't happen pretty soon, then you can bet in the near future one of those INTs will cost the Texans a game.
 
Oz was very lucky it wasn't 3 interceptions today. He threw it right to Cox in double coverage who wasn't able to make the catch.
 
I like how he moves in the pocket and can feel and evade pressure, he just throws horribly when moving away from that pressure from what I've seen.

Given how much pressure our OL gives up, this is quite the needed skill.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
What's the NFL record for most interceptions thrown by a starting quarterback on a team that wins a division?
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Not sure about an official record, but ...

Tarkenton gave up 21 and 32 in 1971 and '78 - Vikings NFC Central winners
Bradshaw gave up 19, 20, and 25 in 1977, '78, and '79 - Steelers AFC Central winners
Fouts gave up 24, 24, and 17 in 1979, '80, and '81 - Chargers AFC West winners
Marino gave up 21, 17, and 17 in 1985, '84, and '94 - Dolphins AFC East winners
Simms gave up 22 in 1986 - Giants NFC East winners
Esiason gave up 22 in 1990 - Bengals AFC Central winners
Favre gave up 21 and 17 in 2003 and '04 - Packers NFC North winners
Romo gave up 19 in 2007 - Cowboys NFC East winners
Kelly gave up 18 in 1989 and '93 - Bills AFC East winners
Unitas gave 18 in 1970 - Colts AFC East winners
Elway gave up 18 in 1989 - Broncos NFC West winners
Eli gave up 17 in 2005 - Giants NFC East winners
Peyton gave up 17 in 2010 and '15 - Colts AFC South and Broncos AFC West winners

... 23 seasons of more than a pick a game division winning starting QB's.

He'd be in pretty alright company if nothing else.
 
stingray said:
I guess if you like your QB to throw Int's, then he would be your qb.
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these INTs weren't of the bad throw variety. these were 50/50 balls that Hop unfortunately didn't win.

ball placement suk'd, but that was probably due to something they were tweaking during the week. Brock had been much better with his placement before this game.

like I said, I'm seeing good things, improvement from week to week. Soon he'll have command of this offense, won't have to think so much, & just play. Then, he'll be dangerous.
 
I guess you could argue that given Os had a few years in the Broncos system, those games he played last year he was more advanced than he is now in our offence.

Maybe we'll see more from him later in the year.
 
stingray said:
I agree but I think the Obrien and the front office are sensitive to the fact that they paid a non proven qb 18 mill a year and then go to one that is making minimum wage.
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That's about the size of it. Oz played another mediocre game today. Outside of 2 picks there were other errant throws that didn't get intercepted. Put Savage in there now. No sense throwing good money after bad.
 
Brock is tied to Bob now

Like Schaub and Kubiak.


No way that they make a change
Its ride or die time
 
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thunderkyss said:
these INTs weren't of the bad throw variety. these were 50/50 balls that Hop unfortunately didn't win.

ball placement suk'd, but that was probably due to something they were tweaking during the week. Brock had been much better with his placement before this game.

like I said, I'm seeing good things, improvement from week to week. Soon he'll have command of this offense, won't have to think so much, & just play. Then, he'll be dangerous.
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I'm inclined to believe that everyone needs to be patient and allow him to develop. Peyton Manning in his rookie season threw for 3,739 yards, 26 touchdowns, and 28 interceptions. Osweiler is near that pace with 959 yards, 5 touchdowns, and 6 interceptions after 4 games. He has the physical ability to achieve elite status, and demonstrates more accuracy and power than Schaub ever did.

But what concerns me is that his passing stats plummet when the pocket is closing and he's feeling pressure. Almost every boneheaded throw behind the receiver, straight to a defender, or up for grabs has occurred when he's pressured. Overcoming and performing in those situations is what separates good from great, and is one of the reasons you acquire a tall QB.

It may be a tendency that resolves itself after he gains enough experience to where he executes through instinct instead of thinking. But if it's still happening next season, then I'll start feeling buyer's remorse. This season though, he gets a pass unless he shows major regression.
 
Brisco_County said:
I'm inclined to believe that everyone needs to be patient and allow him to develop. Peyton Manning in his rookie season threw for 3,739 yards, 26 touchdowns, and 28 interceptions. Osweiler is near that pace with 959 yards, 5 touchdowns, and 6 interceptions after 4 games. He has the physical ability to achieve elite status, and demonstrates more accuracy and power than Schaub ever did.

But what concerns me is that his passing stats plummet when the pocket is closing and he's feeling pressure. Almost every boneheaded throw behind the receiver, straight to a defender, or up for grabs has occurred when he's pressured. Overcoming and performing in those situations is what separates good from great, and is one of the reasons you acquire a tall QB.

It may be a tendency that resolves itself after he gains enough experience to where he executes through instinct instead of thinking. But if it's still happening next season, then I'll start feeling buyer's remorse. This season though, he gets a pass unless he shows major regression.
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I tend to agree with you. Only one thing that I've perceived with the pressure he's under...........most of the time the pressure affects him is when pressure comes right up the middle. Somehow it seems that our center and guards are letting too many through. Pressure up the middle(shortest distance and shortest time to the quarterback) causes havoc for all QBs, short and tall. In fact, it is with this tactic when it is able to be effectively executed against Brady, that tends to cause him to decompensate and have his worst games.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I tend to agree with you. Only one thing that I've perceived with the pressure he's under...........most of the time the pressure affects him is when pressure comes right up the middle. Somehow it seems that our center and guards are letting too many through. Pressure up the middle(shortest distance and shortest time to the quarterback) causes havoc for all QBs, short and tall. In fact, it is with this tactic when it is able to be effectively executed against Brady, that tends to cause him to decompensate and have his worst games.
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This is exactly what I was visualizing when I wrote that. When a defender penetrates right in front of him, you can see his circuits fry.

Maybe there are some drills they can work on to minimize those situations. Or incorporate hard counts to get those DT's to jump. In any case, other teams have noticed.
 
I think as our OL returns and improves or after we draft / sign players next year to fix it, we will see some real improvement from Oz. We all knew our OL was iffy going into this season even before Martin went down. DB was / is injured. Newton is injury prone IMO. We lost Brooks and Jones to top it all off. While I would have loved to see us taking a guard or tackle in the draft, I can understand why BoB took the players he did. I mean, we signed Allen, drafted a top flight C prospect in Martin, and signed Bergstrom for depth, so it wasn't like we weren't making any attempts to shore up our depth. If Martin had stayed healthy, our OL would look significantly different today. In next year's draft, I wouldn't be surprised if we took a DE, OT, and OG in the first 4 rounds to build up or lines.
 
In this particular game Brock started off hot and sharp. But once the pocket collapsed on him his mental time clock went astray. It started with that sack complimentary of Clark getting whipped so bad by Orakpo. The very next play both of our tackles got whipped so bad I was like wth. This is when Brock started playing very timid and a little too fast.

My biggest question is what is wrong with Nuk? I mean we've seen him win majority of those 50/50 ball. So far this season he is getting out worked to the ball. He's not getting seperation most of the times. When he does get some separation Brock is throwing the ball somewhere else causing him to be even more frustrated.

It's only 4 games but Brock and Nuk needs to get on the same page quick.
 
Texansballer74 said:
My biggest question is what is wrong with Nuk? I mean we've seen him win majority of those 50/50 ball. So far this season he is getting out worked to the ball.
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The difference is teams know his very limited route tree. The sideline interception - the DB knew exactly when to turn and locate the ball. He wasn't afraid of a deep route or a cut, he knew the exact distance that the ball would be mailed to the sideline. Winning a 50/50 is something Hopkins can do ... this season he's spent as much time playing defense as he has trying to make a reception. O'Brien is predictable and Oz telegraphs his throws and Hop's route running has fallen off ... turnover.
 
I'm honestly wondering what percentage of Osweiler's picks are passes intended for Hopkins? It feels like the most forced passes he makes are in Nuk's direction.

I get that all QBs need a go-to guy, but it sure feels telegraphed.

Hopkins has 17 total receptions, and at least 4 picks thrown when he was targeted. That's an insanely high number...even at my best-case estimate.
 
disaacks3 said:
I'm honestly wondering what percentage of Osweiler's picks are passes intended for Hopkins? It feels like the most forced passes he makes are in Nuk's direction.

I get that all QBs need a go-to guy, but it sure feels telegraphed.

Hopkins has 17 total receptions, and at least 4 picks thrown when he was targeted. That's an insanely high number...even at my best-case estimate.
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I read somewhere last night that 5 of the 6 INT's Brock has thrown this season were passes to Hopkins.
 
In my opinion, and that's just one of thousands here, I enjoy watching Brock play and always feel we have a chance to win...and lose...with him at quarterback. The bad is going to come with the good. It is part of the growing experience with having a quarterback in only his 11th start in the NFL after limited college experience at that, and only the 4th in our system. The reason I have optimism is that as Texans fans we have been subjected to HWSNBN, Rosencopter, Pick 6 extraordinaire, Backup Yates, Fitztragic, Hoyerable, Groundball Mallett, and Weeden who the Cowboys cut with no Romo.

I have lurked on here for years without posting but we, as far as I can tell, have pleaded for someone capable, not even elite, to quarterback for us. The Flacco's or Eli's of the world. Is Osweiler the next Brady, no. Is Osweiler the next Rodgers, no. Can he be good Flacco or better? Yes. Can he be comparable to Eli, who has ups and downs with turnovers and interceptions every year, yes. Did those guys win championships, yes. How many more titles does Rodgers have then Flacco? How many more titles does Peyton have then Eli? For the posters who want to criticize Brock each week for not being elite, how many truly elite quarterbacks have come into the NFL. There is a reason teams spend millions and millions every year in search for one. But at least with Brock we have a puncher's chance. I never felt that way with even good Schaub who huddled in the face of danger. I definitely didn't get warm and fuzzys with Fitz. Hoyer made me want to vomit every week. Give Brock these 2 years, enjoy the growth, quit bitching, and see if we have lightning in a bottle like Baltimore with Flacco or New York with Eli. And as far as the money goes, Brock is being paid middle tier money for middle tier play. Unlike Eli and Flacco who are paid elite money for middle tier play.

You would think Rick Smith sold some of you poster's home and land to pay Brock. Enjoy the touchdowns and lament the interceptions, but the Texans are closer to a title then we have ever been, including peak Schaub years because we will get punched in the face and keep coming, something that has been lacking for years, and a lot of that has to do with Brock and his confidence in himself.
 
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texan279 said:
I read somewhere last night that 5 of the 6 INT's Brock has thrown this season were passes to Hopkins.
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Easy to explain and understand, Nuk always draws the best CB to guard him. In addition Nuk usually is double teamed with a safety behind him. Because Osweiler has a strong tendency to stare down receivers and telegraph his passes it should come as no surprise that opposing team's best DBs are having the success they're. Believe what your eyes and ears are telling you. The reasons the TEs had success yesterday is because the Titan unlike the Patriots don't have the LBs who can cover as well. The Patriots had such good success double teaming Nuk look for more teams to do the same.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Seems the biggest issue on the passes is placement.
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Agreed and I posted this in the gameday thread....
A couple of times, and especially on the INT, the announcers highlighted plays to Hopkins. Hopkins used his route to force the DB inside leaving a good 5-6 yds between he and the sideline. Osweiler threw the pass inside where the DB could make a play instead of throwing to Hopkins' outside shoulder where only Hop could make a play on the ball. So yesterday, I don't think the issue was Hopkins. I think it was imprecise ball placement by Osweiler.

And that is something that should be spotted by the coaching staff and worked on in practice. Osweiler is leaving yards on the field and giving DBs shots to make plays where better ball placement would result in Hopkins catching it or nobody catching it.

Again, the coaching staff should spot this during the film breakdown sessions and stress improving this in practice.
 
I'll take a young QB like Paxton Lynch for his potential before I'd pay Osweiler mid-tier money, knowing he'll never be anything but mediocre thereabout.

Even if he achieves good Schaub's level of production, I still don't care for it.

Lynch has a more compact delivery that makes it harder for the defender to get to the ball... and he can manipulates with his eyes when needed to, something Osweiler has yet to show he's capable of.
He has better footwork, poise, and mobility also.

Between him, Wentz, and Golf, I'm not sure which one will end up having a better career (providing they all stay relatively healthy.)

I will continue to support any Texan player (and that includes Osweiler) that plays hard and doesn't quit, but none of them can stop me from being a realist watching their individual's games and criticizing them.
 
disaacks3 said:
I'm honestly wondering what percentage of Osweiler's picks are passes intended for Hopkins? It feels like the most forced passes he makes are in Nuk's direction.

I get that all QBs need a go-to guy, but it sure feels telegraphed.

Hopkins has 17 total receptions, and at least 4 picks thrown when he was targeted. That's an insanely high number...even at my best-case estimate.
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I think he does have a go-to guy but despite the obvious resource in Nuk that go to guy is Fuller. Nuk and Os aren't forming the connection nearly as fast as Fuller and Os are. Maybe that will end up balancing out eventually but maybe not.
 
76Texan said:
I'll take a young QB like Paxton Lynch for his potential before I'd pay Osweiler mid-tier money, knowing he'll never be anything but mediocre thereabout.

Even if he achieves good Schaub's level of production, I still don't care for it.

Lynch has a more compact delivery that makes it harder for the defender to get to the ball... and he can manipulates with his eyes when needed to, something Osweiler has yet to show he's capable of.
He has better footwork, poise, and mobility also.

Between him, Wentz, and Golf, I'm not sure which one will end up having a better career (providing they all stay relatively healthy.)

I will continue to support any Texan player (and that includes Osweiler) that plays hard and doesn't quit, but none of them can stop me from being a realist watching their individual's games and criticizing them.
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The only thing I don't agree with here is that you don't know that yet. You think you know that (I think I do too) but we don't know it yet. It's still early. I'm spooked as hell by what I'm seeing but it's still early.

I keep telling myself it's still too early. The pessimist in my just sees the negative though.
 
disaacks3 said:
I'm honestly wondering what percentage of Osweiler's picks are passes intended for Hopkins? It feels like the most forced passes he makes are in Nuk's direction.
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CNNND posted this in the Texans Random Thought OTD thread
PDS ‏@PatDStat 1h1 hour ago
Brock Osweiler has 6 interceptions. DeAndre Hopkins have been the target on 5 of them. Braxton Miller the other.

This will get lost during the week but Brock Osweiler completed a season high 67.6% of his passes on 37 attempts. Previous high was 62.9%
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