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TD said:
If he will accept his role and it's commensurate pay, teams would be crazy not to look at him. Just not us.
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You keep saying this and saying this, yet he had a terrible season and is practically begging teams to sign him.

You have any idea how foolish this keeps sounding from you and other Texans hopefuls that keep living in 2010? Have you not forgotten that you guys wanted the Texans to pay him like $12 mill two seasons ago all because he was AJ and refused to realize that he was nowhere near the same player? Face it, AJ was in a great situation last year with a lot of weapons around him that should have helped him to hit his numbers. He disappointed big time and was way overpaid. I hope he finds a team since he desperately still wants to play, but he is just another guy entering a camp now. Its time to let it go.
 
Texecutioner said:
You keep saying this and saying this, yet he had a terrible season and is practically begging teams to sign him.

You have any idea how foolish this keeps sounding from you and other Texans hopefuls that keep living in 2010? Have you not forgotten that you guys wanted the Texans to pay him like $12 mill two seasons ago all because he was AJ and refused to realize that he was nowhere near the same player? Face it, AJ was in a great situation last year with a lot of weapons around him that should have helped him to hit his numbers. He disappointed big time and was way overpaid. I hope he finds a team since he desperately still wants to play, but he is just another guy entering a camp now. Its time to let it go.
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You have completely lost me. Got some built up hate or something?

I can't imagine why someone wouldn't want to look at him as a 3rd option and provide leadership and an example for younger guys. I am not sure what all that other crap about two years ago and $12M and his great situation with the awesome Matt Hasselbeck and Frank Gore is all about. The Colts under-performed across the board.

Now if AJ thinks he is more than a #3, then yeah...he is in for a rude awakening.
 
TD said:
You have completely lost me. Got some built up hate or something?

I can't imagine why someone wouldn't want to look at him as a 3rd option and provide leadership and an example for younger guys. I am not sure what all that other crap about two years ago and $12M and his great situation with the awesome Matt Hasselbeck and Frank Gore is all about. The Colts under-performed across the board.

Now if AJ thinks he is more than a #3, then yeah...he is in for a rude awakening.
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Built up hate? Lol!

I've been reading your comments suggesting that he should get this or get that and bashing the Texans for quite some time all behind how they handled AJ's last season or two after he left. I've yet to see you admit that all of that was wrong after seeing his production fall apart the way that it has the last two seasons.
 
Texecutioner said:
Built up hate? Lol!

I've been reading your comments suggesting that he should get this or get that and bashing the Texans for quite some time all behind how they handled AJ's last season or two after he left. I've yet to see you admit that all of that was wrong after seeing his production fall apart the way that it has the last two seasons.
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I am pretty sure you have me confused with someone else.
 
TD said:
I can't imagine why someone wouldn't want to look at him as a 3rd option and provide leadership and an example for younger guys. ...

Now if AJ thinks he is more than a #3, then yeah...he is in for a rude awakening.
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AJ isn't a #3. He isn't a #4. He isn't a #6. He is done. I think he'll catch on with some team during training camp and will be unceremoniously cut, a la Rice with the Seahawks.
 
I don't know what he is. I know he probably isn't a #1 or a #2. The Colts offense last year was jacked up and he never really seemed to find a place in it. I kind of thought he was a stupid signing for them all things considered and that was true even if he was absolutely still a #2 or #3. They just didn't seem to have any kind of plan for him.

I know nothing admittedly but I think he's probably still a #3 in the right offense. Note that ours is not the right offense.
 
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TD said:
I am pretty sure you have me confused with someone else.
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You hated pretty much everything OB did for about two years. You and a lot of others criticized him heavily with how he handled the AJ situation when AJ was taking his frustration to the media about how his production would likely be cut in half when he first asked to be traded or released. A lot of folks wanted us to pay AJ over 10 Mill when he struggled immensely in OB's system when he first arrived.
 
Texecutioner said:
You hated pretty much everything OB did for about two years.
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no, that was me.
I still think O'Brien's taking down all signs of team/player accomplishments that he had nothing to do with was chicken sh!t.
Then he didn't draft a young QB when there were quite a few to choose from. Then he brought in Fitzmagic and then Hoyer. QB guru my a$$.
And as far as AJ "struggling", he had 83 catches (tops on the team by the way) for damn near 1000 yds in spite of O'Brien clusterf#@king the QB situation.

Now did I want to pay AJ the big bucks his contract said he was due? No. We really couldn't afford it. And both sides could have handled that situation a lot better. O'Brien/Smith could have manned up and said they couldn't afford that salary hit and AJ didn't have to act like a spoiled brat by requesting to be released when O'Brien said his role would be reduced.
 
Texecutioner said:
You hated pretty much everything OB did for about two years. You and a lot of others criticized him heavily with how he handled the AJ situation when AJ was taking his frustration to the media about how his production would likely be cut in half when he first asked to be traded or released. A lot of folks wanted us to pay AJ over 10 Mill when he struggled immensely in OB's system when he first arrived.
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The only remotely negative comment I have ever made about OB.

TD said:
Torn on this. I have said since last year, he's been very suspect as a "game day" coach, but I have also noticed he seems to learn from his mistakes. Yesterday, he seemed to have learned "don't to pull your quarterback too early" to the point of stupidity. He may simply lack the sideline acumen needed to be HC to avoid mistakes before they happen or even correct in a timely manner.

That said, I voted keep.....unless a crazy good replacement opportunity pops up, he deserves a third year.
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My only post on keeping AJ.

TD said:
Pay him. He's worth more than just what he brings to the field....although that is still considerable.


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Rather than doubling down again, it may be time to quit while your behind and realize you have me confused.
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't know what he is. I know he probably isn't a #1 or a #2. The Colts offense last year was jacked up and he never really seemed to find a place in it. I kind of thought he was a stupid signing for them all things considered and that was true even if he was absolutely still a #2 or #3. They just didn't seem to have any kind of plan for him.

I know nothing admittedly but I think he's probably still a #3 in the right offense. Note that ours is not the right offense.
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That's about where I am.

I think he still has a role in the right situation with the right team.

I don't even know if he's a three. But I think he's better than mumphry level guys.
 
Texecutioner said:
You and a lot of others criticized him heavily with how he handled the AJ situation ...
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I said at the time that AJ was in decline. People argued with me then and nothing has happened since to change my POV. However, I still criticize the way OB handled AJ. He should have just said "we appreciate what you've done, but in the best interests of everyone involved, we're parting ways. Good luck and Godspeed."

Instead, he pulled that BS move to try and make AJ demand a trade/cut. Just man up and do what you have to do. Don't play games.
 
eriadoc said:
I said at the time that AJ was in decline. People argued with me then and nothing has happened since to change my POV. However, I still criticize the way OB handled AJ. He should have just said "we appreciate what you've done, but in the best interests of everyone involved, we're parting ways. Good luck and Godspeed."

Instead, he pulled that BS move to try and make AJ demand a trade/cut. Just man up and do what you have to do. Don't play games.
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It's not uncommon to offer a player who's spent his entire pro career with one team a chance to finish up with that team at a lower salary. From what we know, the Texans offered A.J. that chance, and instead of just saying no, he took it to the press (as he'd done on more than one previous occasion). I don't know of any reason to think that if he'd just said no thanks and left it at that, it would have essentially appeared to everyone to be your preferred scenario (with some folks complaining that they didn't even give him an opportunity to take a salary cut to remain a Texans as they did when Eric Winston was released).

I don't really have a problem with the way A.J. handled it - it's his career, but I certainly don't have any problem with the way OB/The Texans handled it.
 
eriadoc said:
I said at the time that AJ was in decline. People argued with me then and nothing has happened since to change my POV. However, I still criticize the way OB handled AJ. He should have just said "we appreciate what you've done, but in the best interests of everyone involved, we're parting ways. Good luck and Godspeed."

Instead, he pulled that BS move to try and make AJ demand a trade/cut. Just man up and do what you have to do. Don't play games.
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I have no problems with how he handled it even as an AJ fan. OB wasn't brought in there to coddle him like Kubiak did. Not that AJ needed that either. Dude is a class act all the way, but AJ was always bitter about his role in that offense and between the lines it seemed like him and OB never really hit it off. AJ went out there and made himself look like a fool though with his idiotic agent demanding a trade months after teams made their FA moves and even after the draft. ONe of the dumbest trade demand moves I've ever seen a player make to wait that long knowing the Texans had no way of trading an aging receiver that was disgruntled and owed way to much money if the Texans kept him. AJ ruined any chances they had in trading him. Then AJ went to the media and tried to bash OB all because he said that his role would likely give him 40 catches or something like that and he was insulted. No love lost for AJ, but he maneuvered like a dolt.
 
eriadoc said:
I said at the time that AJ was in decline. People argued with me then and nothing has happened since to change my POV. However, I still criticize the way OB handled AJ. He should have just said "we appreciate what you've done, but in the best interests of everyone involved, we're parting ways. Good luck and Godspeed."

Instead, he pulled that BS move to try and make AJ demand a trade/cut. Just man up and do what you have to do. Don't play games.
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I would not be surprised if McNair requested O'Brien & Smith to try to keep him, if possible. And the results is lowered contract and diminished role. A.J.'s ego as a Texan would have none of it, so he took a lowered contract and diminished role with a team that he either thought had postseason potential and/or would give a jab at Texans management.

McNair learned not to demand to keep a player with Carr and Kubiak. However, I'm sure he had it in his mind that he wanted one of his only "legacy players" to play his entire career as a Texan. But, he knew the limits of making such a demand with a head coach/GM, so I can see a situation where McNair tried to find a middle ground but the other parties wanted nothing to do with it.

Obvious speculation on my part, but nobody would ever throw McNair under the bus for meddling, so management stayed quiet, took the heat, and the beat goes on. Otherwise, I think O'Brien would have just cut A.J. and not have given it a second thought. That's just business. He had no emotional ties to A.J. JMO.
 
JB said:
Seattle is the place he ought to be


I'm hoping that after the Ed Reed fiasco that both him and Cal learned their lesson
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I think he'd be a solid asset in Seattle, especially as a possession receiver when Wilson is doing his crazy scrambling routine.

I think there is degrees of meddling. McNair is not the meddler he once was, but no doubt the urgency to get a quality starting QB this season was a demand from the top this off-season. McNair said so himself.

And I cannot help but think that O'Brien's attempt to keep A.J. instead of outright releasing him could have been an owner request. Why would O'Brien even bother? After seeing his attitude on Hard Knocks, he doesn't mess around with concerns about anything that does not improve his team.
 
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Texecutioner said:
I have no problems with how he handled it even as an AJ fan. OB wasn't brought in there to coddle him like Kubiak did. Not that AJ needed that either. Dude is a class act all the way, but AJ was always bitter about his role in that offense and between the lines it seemed like him and OB never really hit it off. AJ went out there and made himself look like a fool though with his idiotic agent demanding a trade months after teams made their FA moves and even after the draft. ONe of the dumbest trade demand moves I've ever seen a player make to wait that long knowing the Texans had no way of trading an aging receiver that was disgruntled and owed way to much money if the Texans kept him. AJ ruined any chances they had in trading him. Then AJ went to the media and tried to bash OB all because he said that his role would likely give him 40 catches or something like that and he was insulted. No love lost for AJ, but he maneuvered like a dolt.
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This is the same AJ who let his uncle negotiate his 1st contract. AJ was a great player but not the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
Texecutioner said:
I have no problems with how he handled it even as an AJ fan. OB wasn't brought in there to coddle him like Kubiak did. Not that AJ needed that either. Dude is a class act all the way, but AJ was always bitter about his role in that offense and between the lines it seemed like him and OB never really hit it off. AJ went out there and made himself look like a fool though with his idiotic agent demanding a trade months after teams made their FA moves and even after the draft. ONe of the dumbest trade demand moves I've ever seen a player make to wait that long knowing the Texans had no way of trading an aging receiver that was disgruntled and owed way to much money if the Texans kept him. AJ ruined any chances they had in trading him. Then AJ went to the media and tried to bash OB all because he said that his role would likely give him 40 catches or something like that and he was insulted. No love lost for AJ, but he maneuvered like a dolt.
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This is the same AJ who let his uncle negotiate his 1st contract. AJ was a great player but not the sharpest tool in the shed.
 
Double Barrel said:
I think he'd be a solid asset in Seattle, especially as a possession receiver when Wilson is doing his crazy scrambling routine.

I think there is degrees of meddling. McNair is not the meddler he once was, but no doubt the urgency to get a quality starting QB this season was a demand from the top this off-season. McNair said so himself.

And I cannot help but think that O'Brien's attempt to keep A.J. instead of outright releasing him could have been an owner request. Why would O'Brien even bother? After seeing his attitude on Hard Knocks, he doesn't mess around with concerns about anything that does not improve his team.
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McNair is still a meddler, Osweiller was HIS handpicked QB. But I think BOB has gained control over things like the Draft/FA.

AJ is done.
 
steelbtexan said:
McNair is still a meddler, Osweiller was HIS handpicked QB. But I think BOB has gained control over things like the Draft/FA.
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Maybe that's not a bad thing if someone like Ryan Mallett is O'Brien's hand-picked QB. Remember, Mallett is a guy that O'Brien was part of drafting and developing his first year as a Patriot. That the dude ended up being a complete headcase does reflect a little negativity on O'Brien's talent evaluation and character judgment.

Hopefully, four years as Manning's understudy helped Brock a lot. He's our Luke Skywalker - i.e. only hope - this season.
 
JB said:
What makes you think this? Did he override OB and Smith on a different direction?
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McNair told Smith/BOB to find him a new QB. Smith did the leg work and thought Os was the best on the market. BOB check out the film and agreed. But McNair is the one who put all of this in motion so Os is McNair's QB. BTW, I considered OS a knee jerk reaction by McNair. But I've got alot of hope that McNair will get lucky because Os has the ability and work ethic to be a franchise QB, he just needs experience and BOB gets the best out of his QB's.
 
steelbtexan said:
McNair told Smith/BOB to find him a new QB. Smith did the leg work and thought Os was the best on the market. BOB check out the film and agreed. But McNair is the one who put all of this in motion so Os is McNair's QB. BTW, I considered OS a knee jerk reaction by McNair. But I've got alot of hope that McNair will get lucky because Os has the ability and work ethic to be a franchise QB, he just needs experience and BOB gets the best out of his QB's.
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Wait... because McNair said to find a QB, and Smith and OB agreed on Osweiler as the best option, then McNair picked Os? And it was a knee jerk reaction? You're really reaching now.
 
steelbtexan said:
McNair told Smith/BOB to find him a new QB. Smith did the leg work and thought Os was the best on the market. BOB check out the film and agreed. But McNair is the one who put all of this in motion so Os is McNair's QB. BTW, I considered OS a knee jerk reaction by McNair. But I've got alot of hope that McNair will get lucky because Os has the ability and work ethic to be a franchise QB, he just needs experience and BOB gets the best out of his QB's.
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So how does directing the GM/HC to find a new QB equate to "Handpicking" Osweiler? My wife can tell me she wants me to get her a new car, but if I go to the dealership and pick one out, and buy it, she may have put the process in motion, but there's no way she handpicked her car.
 
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ChampionTexan said:
So how does directing the GM/HC to find a new QB equate to "Handpicking" Osweiler? My wife can tell me she wants me to get her a new car, but if I go to the dealership and pick one out, and buy it, she may have put the process in motion, but there's no way she handpicked her car.
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Try to pick a car your wife doesn't like and see how that goes for you.
 
JB said:
Wait... because McNair said to find a QB, and Smith and OB agreed on Osweiler as the best option, then McNair picked Os? And it was a knee jerk reaction? You're really reaching now.
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Suppose Smith and BOB didn't like any of the QB's available but had to pick one on McNair's orders, who would be responsible for the QB pick. Smith/BOB or the meddling owner?
 
steelbtexan said:
Suppose Smith and BOB didn't like any of the QB's available but had to pick one on McNair's orders, who would be responsible for the QB pick. Smith/BOB or the meddling owner?
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Suppose? Suppose a female dog hiked her leg to pee, would that give her balls?
 
JB said:
I didn't feel the need to answer a hypothetical supposition. What's your excuse?
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Not really hypothetical. They were told by McNair to find a new QB. They gave McNair what he told them to do. Now whether Os is worth the investment is another question. But there was nothing hypothetical about the Texans getting a new QB and why he is here.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not really hypothetical. They were told by McNair to find a new QB. They gave McNair what he told them to do. Now whether Os is worth the investment is another question. But there was nothing hypothetical about the Texans getting a new QB and why he is here.
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Because we needed a new QB?
 
steelbtexan said:
Not really hypothetical. They were told by McNair to find a new QB. They gave McNair what he told them to do. Now whether Os is worth the investment is another question. But there was nothing hypothetical about the Texans getting a new QB and why he is here.
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The hypothetical was your "suppose Smith and BOB didn't like any of the QB's available but had to pick one on McNair's orders". And you know that.
 
steelbtexan said:
They had to get one? Correct
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You're acting like McNair told them to go sign Os like it or not...

but then you also acknowledge they needed to sign one, but call it a knee jerk reaction on McNairs part.

You just want to bash no matter what they do
 
steelbtexan said:
Suppose Smith and BOB didn't like any of the QB's available but had to pick one on McNair's orders, who would be responsible for the QB pick. Smith/BOB or the meddling owner?
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The simple answer to this "suppose" thing is O'Brien/Smith would still be responsible. They had marching orders from the boss that said, "Go get me a franchise caliber QB." Now apparently that says meddling to you but it tells me that McNair was sick & tired of O'Brien bringing in retreads (Fitz, Yates, etc) or dumpster diving for Belichick's throw-aways (Mallett, Hoyer). If that's "McNair meddling" I wish he'd done it sooner.
 
JB said:
You're acting like McNair told them to go sign Os like it or not...

but then you also acknowledge they needed to sign one, but call it a knee jerk reaction on McNairs part.

You just want to bash no matter what they do
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Nope, I like the Os signing he's got potential to be a top 10 QB with experience and OB teaching him. However there's no doubt this was a knee jerk signing under the order of McNair. More proof he still meddles. His football people need to be making those calls. He needs to sit back and do what he does best. (Keep collecting the $$$$)
 
ObsiWan said:
The simple answer to this "suppose" thing is O'Brien/Smith would still be responsible. They had marching orders from the boss that said, "Go get me a franchise caliber QB." Now apparently that says meddling to you but it tells me that McNair was sick & tired of O'Brien bringing in retreads (Fitz, Yates, etc) or dumpster diving for Belichick's throw-aways (Mallett, Hoyer). If that's "McNair meddling" I wish he'd done it sooner.
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This is the answer that I was looking for.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but they let their football people make those decisions is all I'm saying.
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Which is completely true. Our football people had been trotting out hot doodoo at QB for two seasons though. Whether they should be our football people is a different discussion, but for the time being I'm good with a hot doodoo alternative. Even if that's at the hands of the owner having an invested take.
 
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