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Brock Getting the Boys In Step Early
- Thread starter CloakNNNdagger
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Itineraries for teammates in a workout he is leading and burning midnight oil to study the playbook before even meeting the coach will serve him a looooong way in BOB's books. I have never been more excited about the Houston Texans, though I also feel I say that before almost every season starts. :p
Shishkabob
All Pro
I was skeptical of Os getting a big contract before we signed him, I was still skeptical after we signed him, but damn if this guy doesnt give you a reason to be optimistic about what he is trying to be and do for this team
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
Well, the Filthydelta Buzzards have shown they want the other QB, probably Wentz, and it turns out the Round Browns didn't intend to take one. This means the Billygoats and the Buzzards will both have better records than the Toxins. The Toros make the same mistake over and over, again settling for Good Enough, and it never is.
battleredready
Noob
You say finally as if he has been on the team for years.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I'm betting #22 will either be OT or WR and depending on how the draft goes will be either Spriggs or Coleman. I'm thinking it will be Coleman.
In a 3 receiver set, we'll see Hopkins and Coleman out wide and with Shorts/Strong in the slot. In college, Strong was most productive in the slot and I think this is where he's likely to see playing time if we draft Coleman. But you would also have the option of switching things up by moving Strong outside and moving Coleman inside - keep the defense guessing. I'd also like to see us get Jerell Adams, a TE with the speed to stretch the vertical seam.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't totally count out a DL pick with Crick gone and Wilfork aging. I know this is a deep draft in DL, but there's no reason why we shouldn't nab one of the better ones if they fall to us.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Since Rick Smith has come on board - 10 years - we have had 8 defensive 1st round picks and only 2 offensive picks. Out of a combined twenty 1st and 2nd round picks. 14 have been defense and only 6 offense.
This has been noted and commented on by the organization.
If you went to Vegas and put $100 down on whether the Texans would select offense or defense with their 22nd selection, would you bet defense?
This has been noted and commented on by the organization.
If you went to Vegas and put $100 down on whether the Texans would select offense or defense with their 22nd selection, would you bet defense?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
If I was betting on what I expect our organization to do, then yeah. I'd vote defense.
If I was saying what I think they should do, then no. I'd vote offense.
But another thing to consider is O'Brien and what appears to be a lack of trust when it comes to rookies. Most people expect us to take a WR because a good WR will probably fall to us and we could use another WR. However, the WR OB really wants may not be the "take the top off the defense" guy, but a quick slot with good hands guy that he can get later in the draft. He may not trust a guy to come in as a rook and start from day 1 as the #2 or as the slot receiver. So, while I would choose WR as the most obvious choice for the #22 pick, I wouldn't bet that OB and Smith are going to judge things the way I would.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I agree with you on Strong + he is strong (pun intended) for the beating slot can receive. I am hopeful Shorts will remain healthy and have good season but his dead $ is 500 k if he doesn't
I hope... just for the heck of it, that one of our reporters would ask O'b if he would have benched Osweiler for Manning in that game.
Just to see if he can shoot some BS straight for the hip, or if he hems & haws a politically correct, don't want to hurt anyone's feelings answer.
Just to see if he can shoot some BS straight for the hip, or if he hems & haws a politically correct, don't want to hurt anyone's feelings answer.
nothing wrong with copying a good idea
if I were O'Brien my response would be "Next question." punctuated by one of his <you're just trying to be an a$$hole aren't you looks>. Cause (a) that situation had nothing whatever to do with the Texans and (b) I had my own QB issues at that time.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
You mean ask that to the guy who benched Hoyer for Mallett in week ONE, then watched and even bigger train wreck in week 18 and wouldn't bench Hoyer if his life depended on it? That's the guy you want to ask that question to?
I think it would be fun.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
My bet would be for offense. They wouldn't dare go defense with McNair dictating offense. TE should be their priority. They might take 1 or 2 defenders in later rounds, but no more than that.
Norg
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I don't think no one has singed crick still if anything he might come back here ..... no one might want him cept US
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Crick is a Bronco.
I think Devon Still & Covington gives us the ability to not force a pick at DE.
They're probably not targeting a DL... but if that's the way the draft shakes out, that's probably what we'll do.
They're probably not targeting a DL... but if that's the way the draft shakes out, that's probably what we'll do.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Edit: NVM, Cak already addressed it.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I'm asking because I don't know, but I only remember Covington being used sparely as a NT in base fronts....and then I think Dunn was brought in and played over him.
Do you recall where and how much Covington played last year?
This is what I remember.
I'm hoping now that Still's daughter is better he can get back to being the player his talent level suggests he can be. I would still draft a DL high though.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I just looked up Pagan and I forgot how young he was. Seems like he's been here forever (2014) but he's only 22 (will be 23 when the season starts).
Dude is the same age as a lot of rookies that are in this draft. He might be a guy to look out for if he is over his injury issues. Big, strong guy and I liked what I saw from him on film at Alabama.
Yep, it's not like losing Crick was losing an all pro.
In our 4-3 looks, Covington often played the UT.
I personally think he's too small to play the nose, & not strong enough to play the end. But he's been working out & looked pretty strong near the end of the year.
I personally think he's too small to play the nose, & not strong enough to play the end. But he's been working out & looked pretty strong near the end of the year.
Number19
Hall of Fame
As I remember, that was the write-up on Covington going into last year's draft - he needed a year to gain some weight and strengthening. And I agree, reports are that his off season workouts have accomplished this. I really think this may be the reason that the organization didn't appear too concerned over losing Crick. I have high expectations for Covington.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Coming into the league, he was deemed to be small to begin with. He began the season coming off of a serious knee surgery (for patellar-femoral instability due to chronic patellar dislocation), and having a shoulder problem. He saw little action in the through the middle of the season because of being a rookie and one that was not very strong. Then during the last 2 months of the season, he continuously suffered from knee, hip and ankle problems which would have made him very suspect to hold the point as a NT. With being able to use the offseason to rest and rehab all of his injuries, as well as to gain strength in his lower body as well as his upper body and core, he could very well end up being one of our greatest assets on the DL.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
End of times! Bail out!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Is the absence of patellar issues that reliable of an indicator going forward? In other words, if he goes through a certain timeframe, he's statistically in the clear?
I don't want a JAG at the other DE spot. I want us to get one of these really good DL that are available in this draft. Or hell I'll be happy with moving Clowney to DE and drafting an edge guy early. We have the best defensive player in the game. Arguably the best player overall! He's the one we should be surrounding with talent. Make the offense competent and build a defense around Watt that can dominate.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He had a "knee" problem in the last 2 months of the season. It has not been characterized. Once the repair of the patellar stabilizing structures is deemed to be successful, the greatest limitation in long term performance is the extent of the damage that was caused by the abrasive forces of the repetitively dislocating patella..........most commonly to the apposing femoral and patellar (chondromalacia) articular cartilage surfaces.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
At DE in a 3-4, Clowney is just as likely to be a JAG. Moving Clowney to DE in a 3-4 with constant banging against 300 pounders (not circumventing them as is more likely as an OLB) is the quickest way to deteriorate his microfracture surgically "repaired" knee.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Clowney would be road kill at 3-4 DE, both play and knee.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I had this same knee issue (patellar-femoral instability) and surgery during my freshman year of college. Definitely would take him a full year to build the leg up before it stopped creating tertiary issues (hip, ankle, back). Look forward to seeing what he brings this season with proper rest and rehab. Definitely a late round gem in the making.
What are we expecting from the other DE spot? Double digit sacks? Fifty some odd tackles?
If we continue to line Jj outside the tackle (ie, not a 5 tech), then the other DE is not going to get "DE" production. Not like in a 4-3. Antonio Smith did an excellent job while he was here, especially the last two or three years. Jared Crick's last two seasons as a starter were a pretty good as well, for the position he plays. On par with Ngata's first three seasons.
I don't know if you're saying Crick was JAG. Just wanting to get an idea of what you think we need at the position. A lot of people expect that guy to rack up a lot of sacks, but it generally doesn't happen. That guy is the definition of big ugly. He does all the dirty work that allows Jj, Mercilus, & Clowney to get after the QB.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
JJ get's his 20 sacks. Mercilus and Clowney both get double digits. AND the DE opposite JJ goes for 10+ as well. Or Rick Smith sucks.
I want talent. I want talented depth. Thats what I want on the DL. Denver ring a bell? Their the team who just won a championship with no offense and a dominant defense that was built around their best player. A Watt type player comes around once in a decade. Why not take advantage of the incredible luck we have of having Watt. IMO this is the best way to become a consistent contender for the super bowl. Surround the best player in football with quality talent so the opposition can't game plan him. Force them to guard him with limited resources and imagine what he could do! He's been winning MVP's while getting double and triple teamed! Think what he could do with the talent in Denver. Switch Watt and Miller. Watt would be looking like Miller did in the superbowl every game.
I would really like to see that!
You guys that have delusions of us having a QB driven team. Why? We already have our leader and dominant player that can carry this team if we just surround him with the right talent. But you would rather surround our new FA QB who has proven nothing really? I can't look at his body of work and see a legit argument to where he is the ONE we should build around and surround with the best available talent. I know you guys are excited about our shiny new QB and really want him to succeed but has he really proved anything to deserve to get priority over Watt? What if he turns out to be another Hoyer? I think there is a better chance of that happening than Watt's performance not improving drastically. If Watt's performance Improves imagine how big of an impact he could have!
What are you guys expecting that want to throw all our eggs in one basket for chance at Osweiler being more than average? You expecting him to be top 15? Top 10? 300 ypg?
My argument is not that I don't we shouldn't draft a DE to play opposite Jj Watt. I'm saying Jared Crick wasn't JAG & it won't be easy to replace his production, much less replace him with a "better" player. Had Jackson played for us & Crick played for Denver, it would be Crick in Jacksonville with all that money.
Then again, I think our defense is every bit as good as Denver's. Things just didn't work out for us in the W-L column.
Norg
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[ so the opposition can't game plan him. Force them to guard him with limited resources and imagine what he could do! He's been winning MVP's while getting double and triple teamed! Think what he could do with the talent in Denver. Switch Watt and Miller. Watt would be looking like Miller did in the superbowl every game.
I would really like to see that!
You guys that have delusions of us having a QB driven team. Why? We already have our leader and dominant player that can carry this team if we just surround him with the right talent. But you would rather surround our new FA QB who has proven nothing really? I can't look at his body of work and see a legit argument to where he is the ONE we should build around and surround with the best available talent. I know you guys are excited about our shiny new QB and really want him to succeed but has he really proved anything to deserve to get priority over Watt? What if he turns out to be another Hoyer? I think there is a better chance of that happening than Watt's performance not improving drastically. If Watt's performance Improves imagine how big of an impact he could have!
What are you guys expecting that want to throw all our eggs in one basket for chance at Osweiler being more than average? You expecting him to be top 15? Top 10? 300 ypg?[/QUOTE]
I would really like to see that!
You guys that have delusions of us having a QB driven team. Why? We already have our leader and dominant player that can carry this team if we just surround him with the right talent. But you would rather surround our new FA QB who has proven nothing really? I can't look at his body of work and see a legit argument to where he is the ONE we should build around and surround with the best available talent. I know you guys are excited about our shiny new QB and really want him to succeed but has he really proved anything to deserve to get priority over Watt? What if he turns out to be another Hoyer? I think there is a better chance of that happening than Watt's performance not improving drastically. If Watt's performance Improves imagine how big of an impact he could have!
What are you guys expecting that want to throw all our eggs in one basket for chance at Osweiler being more than average? You expecting him to be top 15? Top 10? 300 ypg?[/QUOTE]
smh
Agreed.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I kind of disagree with you on Jared Crick. I think he's a perfect example of a JAG.
You play opposite J.J. Watt and can't do any more than Crick did the last few years and you're absolutely just a guy. I kept hoping that this year he'd step up and it just never seemed to happen.
Well, that's the point. Crick doesn't play opposite Jj Watt. Mercilus & Jd Clowney play opposite Watt. Crick is going to produce like a DT in a 4-3. That's how he lines up.