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Christian Hackenberg

dream_team said:
Yes, we have a good group of RBs (which I'm including Foster). The fact that we were able to muster some type of running game, even after our all-world RB goes down, shows how well our depth is at that position. I like out depth at TE, but I do NOT like our starter(s). Yah, I understand if you think that makes no sense what so ever.

In regards to naming backups... come on man, I can easily name the whole 53. Just like I bet you can do the same. I do like Pleasant, I thought he did a great job at helping cover TEs. I do like Bullough & Dent as backups. Tuggle has good experience inside as well.

JMO, and I know everyone doesn't agree, but I'm ok with the depth of this team, except at OL.
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Pleasant was playing nickle LB and did a good job. I shudder at the thought of Pleasant playing as a single high safety.

The LB's are good ST's and you better hope that McKinney/Cushing stay healthy. This defense really struggled until Hal replaced Moore and McKinney took over fulltime.
 
dream_team said:
Yes, we have a good group of RBs (which I'm including Foster). The fact that we were able to muster some type of running game, even after our all-world RB goes down, shows how well our depth is at that position. I like out depth at TE, but I do NOT like our starter(s). Yah, I understand if you think that makes no sense what so ever.

In regards to naming backups... come on man, I can easily name the whole 53. Just like I bet you can do the same. I do like Pleasant, I thought he did a great job at helping cover TEs. I do like Bullough & Dent as backups. Tuggle has good experience inside as well.

JMO, and I know everyone doesn't agree, but I'm ok with the depth of this team, except at OL.
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I'd say the little bit of running game we generated was largely due to settling down on the OL. I still saw "new" concepts at the end of the season so I'm sure the coaches are still trying to figure out the best way to use what we have & still teaching. Hopefully they'll have a better idea before OTAs & we can start the season with a strong line. I'd like to see a LT in training on the right side... but that's about it.

First three or four rounds, I want the best offensive skill positions we can get.
 
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dream_team said:
Yes, we have a good group of RBs (which I'm including Foster). The fact that we were able to muster some type of running game, even after our all-world RB goes down, shows how well our depth is at that position. I like out depth at TE, but I do NOT like our starter(s). Yah, I understand if you think that makes no sense what so ever.

In regards to naming backups... come on man, I can easily name the whole 53. Just like I bet you can do the same. I do like Pleasant, I thought he did a great job at helping cover TEs. I do like Bullough & Dent as backups. Tuggle has good experience inside as well.

JMO, and I know everyone doesn't agree, but I'm ok with the depth of this team, except at OL.
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You are super optimistic great fan guy.

Those guys are NOT good, and depth means nothing if it's not serviceable when called upon IMO. Just a human shaped body wearing a football jersey.

I do respect your great attitude though, I say that with honesty.
 
TexansFTW said:
You are super optimistic great fan guy.

Those guys are NOT good, and depth means nothing if it's not serviceable when called upon IMO. Just a human shaped body wearing a football jersey.

I do respect your great attitude though, I say that with honesty.
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Yah, I agree I'm more of the optimist. Heck, I was even believing Hoyer can win us a SB!
 
I think the perception of depth is mainly on the coaches and where they shine or die. IMO there isn't a whole hell of a lot of difference in talent around the league at the back end of rosters. It's how the coaches react and utilize the non-starters when calied upon that separates teams. Obviously the GM needs to try to suit the system and pick the best players available. But look at Belichick - he is not plug and play, he's adjust and play. You don't pull/lose a JJ, stick Covington in, give him the same assignment and then when he fails call it bad depth.

Separate point but still on depth - there was a question about TE depth. Well how do you assess depth at a position that is completely goat f'ked by the coaching staff/QBs? It's like assessing a rifle by handing it to someone with Parkinson's.

To a lesser degree same with the RBs - hard to assess them when our run blocking looks like 5 confused cows. We had no identity in our rush blocking this season. Half of one and half of another that resulted in sucks.
 
WolverineFan said:
Drafting a QB when they had the chance to was a better option.
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This QB talk reminds me of kids looking for a prom date in HS . Here are your options that I remember .

1. Go with the one you've dated
2, Holdout for the hottest
3. Ask your buddies girlfriend's friend so y'all can double date
4. Ask the wild child
5. Ask the rich girl for the perks
6. Oh hell I waited to long and now the options are limited .
7. How late is Glamour Shots open ?
8. My cousins not bad looking
 
infantrycak said:
I think the perception of depth is mainly on the coaches and where they shine or die. IMO there isn't a whole hell of a lot of difference in talent around the league at the back end of rosters. It's how the coaches react and utilize the non-starters when calied upon that separates teams. Obviously the GM needs to try to suit the system and pick the best players available. But look at Belichick - he is not plug and play, he's adjust and play. You don't pull/lose a JJ, stick Covington in, give him the same assignment and then when he fails call it bad depth.

Separate point but still on depth - there was a question about TE depth. Well how do you assess depth at a position that is completely goat f'ked by the coaching staff/QBs? It's like assessing a rifle by handing it to someone with Parkinson's.

To a lesser degree same with the RBs - hard to assess them when our run blocking looks like 5 confused cows. We had no identity in our rush blocking this season. Half of one and half of another that resulted in sucks.
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!. Totally agree this is what sets coaching staffs apart.
2. While I agree with you, they were trying to make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t, when it came to TE play. When you're counting on Ryan Griffin to come off of IR and be your lead TE, you know the position is devoid of talent.
3. While I understand what you're saying, the RB's were exceedingly avg and very slow to see/get to the holes. Look at the difference an avg speed back like Hunt made off of the PS.
 
2016 NFL Draft: 7 players who should have stayed in school
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Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State
He entered Penn State as the No. 1 QB recruit in 2013 and flourished as a freshman under now Houston Texans coach Bill O'Brien, winning Big Ten Freshman of the Year. But Hackenberg never came back around to show anything the last two years under James Franklin, throwing more interceptions than touchdowns as a sophomore and averaging fewer than 200 yards a game in 2015. I'm not saying he would have suddenly turned things around as a senior, but there certainly are a lot of questions surrounding him in this draft. He does have an ally in O'Brien, and the Texans do need a quarterback, so there's that.
 
confirms points others have made

sources with multiple teams have been extremely critical of Penn State head coach James Franklin and his handling of quarterback Christian Hackeneberg. Just to be clear, none of these sources are with the Houston Texans. They say that Franklin was a terrible coach for Hackenberg. These sources have known Franklin for years and feel he is responsible for a lot of the problems with Hackenberg. Franklin tore down Hackenberg and hurt his confidence. They say that Franklin is a rah-rah type of coach who showed a lot of favoritism toward the players he brought to Penn State over the players he inherited from Bill O'Brien and Joe Paterno. On top of Franklin's poor handling, Hackenberg was sacked 103 times in his 38 collegiate games with the vast majority of those sacks coming in the two seasons with Franklin. The offensive line was pathetic, but teams feel that Franklin set up Hackenberg for some failure because he tried to fit a square peg into a round hole from a scheme perspective. They feel a good coach would have adapted their scheme to Hackenberg and the other pro-style players O'Brien cultivated. They say that Franklin never embraced Hackenbarg as his guy to lead the program.

The sources from these teams already have franchise quarterbacks and were just calling it like they see it. They believe that Hackenberg could get selected on Day 2. Some around the believe still think that Hackenberg could go late in the first round because there are so many teams that are utterly desperate to land a franchise quarterback.
Read more at http://www.walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2016rumors.php#0Mirc67wsoQAiP9M.99
 
Just to tag onto the James Franklin thing (because this is right up my alley), he has been a head coach for five years. In those five years, he has 8 wins against teams that finished the season with a winning record. You read that right. That's not 8 wins against ranked teams. That's 8 wins over five years against teams that even finished above .500. He doesn't even average two victories per year against teams that go 6-6 or better. He's that bad.
 
bah007 said:
Just to tag onto the James Franklin thing (because this is right up my alley), he has been a head coach for five years. In those five years, he has 8 wins against teams that finished the season with a winning record. You read that right. That's not 8 wins against ranked teams. That's 8 wins over five years against teams that even finished above .500. He doesn't even average two victories per year against teams that go 6-6 or better. He's that bad.
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Not to mention that most of those 8 wins are against teams that finished 7-6 or 8-5. I don't recall him ever beating a team that won 9 or more games.
 
Texian said:
Are you talking about the Texans?
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James Franklin.

He has a 5-23 record against Power-5 teams that finished the season with a winning record. These are the teams he has beaten...

7-6 Boston College
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Georgia
7-6 Ole Miss
7-6 NC State

The only team he's ever beaten that won more than 9 games in a season is San Diego State. The guy is an insanely overrated coach.
 
WolverineFan said:
James Franklin.

He has a 5-23 record against Power-5 teams that finished the season with a winning record. These are the teams he has beaten...

7-6 Boston College
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Georgia
7-6 Ole Miss
7-6 NC State

The only team he's ever beaten that won more than 9 games in a season is San Diego State. The guy is an insanely overrated coach.
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Yes I know, my comments were tongue in cheek.
 
WolverineFan said:
James Franklin.

He has a 5-23 record against Power-5 teams that finished the season with a winning record. These are the teams he has beaten...

7-6 Boston College
8-5 Rutgers
8-5 Georgia
7-6 Ole Miss
7-6 NC State

The only team he's ever beaten that won more than 9 games in a season is San Diego State. The guy is an insanely overrated coach.
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Contrast that with a coach like Charlie Strong, who at the end of this past season people were trying to run out of town because he was "in over his head".

In his six years as a HC his record against Power-5 teams that finished with a winning record is 11-18. And that includes his two year run at Texas that most everyone would agree has been unspectacular so far.
 
Not a Hack fan and am concerned his psyche as well as his body may be an issue after his last two seasons.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
An in-depth film analysis that re-inforces those in Hackenberg's corner.......and food for thought for those that aren't..........Stats can definitely lie...........Hack's have in the past 2 years.
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And just like that I'm sold. I'm officially on the smoked crack for Hack bandwagon
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
An in-depth film analysis that re-inforces those in Hackenberg's corner.......and food for thought for those that aren't..........Stats can definitely lie...........Hack's have in the past 2 years.
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I watched that game, and Hackenberg was horrible. "Brilliant"??? No. He was slow to process all game and couldn't get the ball out of his hands. And he can't hit the broadside of a barn. This reminds me of how "great" Hoyer is in setting up the offense, only to melt down once the ball is snapped. This guy's a dud, and an apologist like the youtube guy isn't going to convince me that chickenshiite is really chicken salad.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
An in-depth film analysis that re-inforces those in Hackenberg's corner.......and food for thought for those that aren't..........Stats can definitely lie...........Hack's have in the past 2 years.
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Good stuff. Not very many guys will break a performance down like that. I don't know if his conclusion is spot on, but I know now after watching this, if we get Hackenberg I won't be too upset.

I also like his Clowney video.
 
Franklin tried to take Hackenberg from an under center QB which he always was to a gun QB. He is a classic pocket QB who should not have been forced out of his comfort zone, especially since Franklin offered up no support protection. Hence Hackeberg is fortunate to have gotten out of college in one piece.
 
In the Film Room, it was pointed out that Hackenberg had a wind up like a pitcher. But I believe more importantly, I noticed in watching his games was that Hackenberg would swing his back leg around in a wide circle as he released the ball, much like baseball pitchers. The problem is that when that back leg is not firmly planted throughout the motion, this invites inaccuracy. As I pointed out to Playoffs in his rookie year, Luck had this problem early on until someone got him to work on it. He still lifts his back leg up, which still contributes to inaccuracy, but seldom has the wide sweep. I've observed some regression in that aspect sometimes when Luck throws some of his interceptions. Better coaching should be able to correct some of Hackenberg's bad habits.
 
rated Hackenberg a 4th/6th rd prospect and my 12th rated QB....hate his personality for a NFL QB ...comes across as very shy in interviews and lists weight lifting, fishing and hunting as his top hobbies...all 3 best done alone

never improved as a player in college and barely above 50% winning record at Penn St. Few victories in close games...great person..love him to date my daughter just not lead my team
 
poplarbluffman said:
rated Hackenberg a 4th/6th rd prospect and my 12th rated QB....hate his personality for a NFL QB ...comes across as very shy in interviews and lists weight lifting, fishing and hunting as his top hobbies...all 3 best done alone

never improved as a player in college and barely above 50% winning record at Penn St. Few victories in close games...great person..love him to date my daughter just not lead my team
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I am resolved to the fact that Hack is going to be the Texans 1st RD draft pick and OB will trade up to draft him.
 
poplarbluffman said:
rated Hackenberg a 4th/6th rd prospect and my 12th rated QB....hate his personality for a NFL QB ...comes across as very shy in interviews and lists weight lifting, fishing and hunting as his top hobbies...all 3 best done alone
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You don't think he could be talking about those hobbies in the context of doing so with teammates/family/friends? Because they're all very often done as such. Just like his "shyness" could easily be seen as handling the frustration of having a nincompoop for a HC with maturity.

Could maybe be backward engineering more reasons to dislike the guy here, honestly. The on the field stuff I get, he has flaws, but saying that you don't like the guy because maybe he wears boxers instead of briefs and so that must mean that he doesn't respond well to being pressured, just ehh. He seems generally like a good kid in a tough situation who has talent but I'm still not sure how long it will take to untangle his poor habits, if at all. I'm hardly getting malcontent/bad apple though.
 
Mollywhopper said:
You don't think he could be talking about those hobbies in the context of doing so with teammates/family/friends? Because they're all very often done as such. Just like his "shyness" could easily be seen as handling the frustration of having a nincompoop for a HC with maturity.

Could maybe be backward engineering more reasons to dislike the guy here, honestly. The on the field stuff I get, he has flaws, but saying that you don't like the guy because maybe he wears boxers instead of briefs and so that must mean that he doesn't respond well to being pressured, just ehh. He seems generally like a good kid in a tough situation who has talent but I'm still not sure how long it will take to untangle his poor habits, if at all. I'm hardly getting malcontent/bad apple though.
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maybe a few close friends/family.. just not the extrovert/leader type...little like Bradford another quiet guy who doesn't like to take chances or rarely pushes the ball up the field

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...june-jones-the-qb-book-excerpt-feldman-102814

great read on personality and future nfl success. Read an article about Romo and Parcells knowing he had that special personality type to succeed the 1st time he saw him. Huge believer in it...
 
poplarbluffman said:
maybe a few close friends/family.. just not the extrovert/leader type...little like Bradford another quiet guy who doesn't like to take chances or rarely pushes the ball up the field

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...june-jones-the-qb-book-excerpt-feldman-102814

great read on personality and future nfl success. Read an article about Romo and Parcells knowing he had that special personality type to succeed the 1st time he saw him. Huge believer in it...
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So he shares favorite hobbies with Brett Favre? I guess that guy wasnt a good leader either. the kid was born and raised in the south for many of us we were raised hunting and fishing so yea thats our favorite hobbies. I dont see that meaning he is an introvert and a quiet leader. Ive seen him get in his teammates faces when they mess up, ive heard him conduct interviews in a very sound professional manor. Did you forget he was coached by OB and probably taught by OB how to conduct himself in interviews meaning dont say to much just answer the questions and leave. you are pulling at straws to not like a kid, but then praise another when it was proven by his own teammates multiple years he is not a leader
 
poplarbluffman said:
maybe a few close friends/family.. just not the extrovert/leader type...little like Bradford another quiet guy who doesn't like to take chances or rarely pushes the ball up the field

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...june-jones-the-qb-book-excerpt-feldman-102814

great read on personality and future nfl success. Read an article about Romo and Parcells knowing he had that special personality type to succeed the 1st time he saw him. Huge believer in it...
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I can see you're dead set on the 16-personality type and that's that, and ok. That stuff is pretty interesting, especially so when it's mixed with all other factors. Using it alone would be like judging a guy's physical ability off of nothing but the combine. Like has been mentioned, the kid was voted the first ever sophomore team captain in school history, by all accounts his teammates have connected with him with respect as a leader. I don't think every QB has to be an over the top, rah-rah level extrovert to win. I get the idea that it can factor, just not so myopically that it's a necessity. I'm not seeing Hack as some hermit recluse who will not be able to finish a sentence at the next level.

And when he had time to take chances vertically he did so as a freshman, he has done so when he's had time since then, but you gotta be vertical yourself to even begin to think about pushing the football that way.

Anyway though, I'm sure there's something yet to decipher from his favorite ninja turtle or flavor of cheeto too. I'll leave you to it.
 
infantrycak said:
You're higher than a kite. Half the ranches in Texas are owned/leased for the primary purpose of taking business people out - sales, staffs, bigwigs. Same with fishing boats/charters.
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And the other half leased out to groups of friends or to the state for public hunting land...
 
But guys ... he doesn't bite the heads off of teammates, raise his voice in interviews, or do the Macarena after scoring so he clearly is out in the woods all by himself, hunting more solitude.
 
I, like many, lift, fish, and hunt with others. Just throwing that out there.

I feel like you (Bluffman) wrote that and could have said that about anything though:

watching movies, playing video games, going shopping - all can be done alone or in a group, but if you have an agenda and want to prove a point you add a little non-factual sentence at the end:

Something loners do by themselves, clearly not a people person or a leader.

I feel like I'm just piling on now. We all have opinions and I respect yours. We clearly see this a bit different, but you never know, you may be on to something, I just can't necessarily draw that same conclusion though.

Texian said:
I am resolved to the fact that Hack is going to be the Texans 1st RD draft pick and OB will trade up to draft him.
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Join the club of acceptance. Except trade up. I think he will just be snagged at #22
 
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TexansFTW said:
Join the club of acceptance. Except trade up. I think he will just be snagged at #22
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In my mind OB has shown a propensity and a behavior pattern to trade up for guys he targets (see Nix, Strong). There is also the vivid memory of Belichick snookering the Texans by grabbing Garropolo EARLY AND every team in the NFL knows the Texans are in the market for a QB and every person in the NFL knows OB and Huck have an ongoing bromance. It takes only one team to like Huck as much as OB.....FWIW.....Right now the biggest surprise in the draft for me would be the Texans passing on Hack in RD1.
 
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Texian said:
In my mind OB has shown a propensity and a behavior pattern to trade up for guys he targets (see Nix, Strong). There is also the vivid memory of Belichick snookering the Texans by grabbing Garropolo EARLY AND every team in the NFL knows the Texans are in the market for a QB and every person in the NFL knows OB and Huck have an ongoing bromance. It takes only one team to like Huck as much as OB.....FWIW
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I honestly think if we pass on him at 22 that the cardinals would possibly take him with their pick. They dont have any glaring must fill holes on their team. Arians is always a foward thinker doesnt exactly go by guidelines, and if he sees Hack as a kid he can coach up for a year or two and unleash then i think they take him. Palmer is up there in age, plus he has an injury history but he is stable enough to give Hack the chance to sit and learn. Also a tie to the team is Hack is currently training with Palmer's brother.
 
Shishkabob said:
So he shares favorite hobbies with Brett Favre? I guess that guy wasnt a good leader either. the kid was born and raised in the south for many of us we were raised hunting and fishing so yea thats our favorite hobbies. I dont see that meaning he is an introvert and a quiet leader. Ive seen him get in his teammates faces when they mess up, ive heard him conduct interviews in a very sound professional manor. Did you forget he was coached by OB and probably taught by OB how to conduct himself in interviews meaning dont say to much just answer the questions and leave. you are pulling at straws to not like a kid, but then praise another when it was proven by his own teammates multiple years he is not a leader
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Hunting and fishing. Things I've never done alone, hunting mostly with my father and fishing mostly with good friends (father included).
 
Dishman said:
Hunting and fishing. Things I've never done alone, hunting mostly with my father and fishing mostly with good friends (father included).
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I've actually never done either alone either. I've sat in tree stands alone but never had a hunting experience solo.
 
poplarbluffman said:
rated Hackenberg a 4th/6th rd prospect and my 12th rated QB....hate his personality for a NFL QB ...comes across as very shy in interviews and lists weight lifting, fishing and hunting as his top hobbies...all 3 best done alone

never improved as a player in college and barely above 50% winning record at Penn St. Few victories in close games...great person..love him to date my daughter just not lead my team
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Thought this was a fine post and dont understand the wildfire it started. I'd differ by giving him a 3rd to 5th round grade (that's a potential grade - not where he will be drafted grade.)

I posted a link upthread of an interview this week on 610. He sounded like a nice guy but a bit scatter brained. 12 minute answers...not decisive. Probably just nervous i guess.

You guys got caught up with hunting and fishing alone...done both with company and more alone. Im not sure either way'd make me a better qb.
 
powda said:
Thought this was a fine post and dont understand the wildfire it started. I'd differ by giving him a 3rd to 5th round grade (that's a potential grade - not where he will be drafted grade.)

I posted a link upthread of an interview this week on 610. He sounded like a nice guy but a bit scatter brained. 12 minute answers...not decisive. Probably just nervous i guess.

You guys got caught up with hunting and fishing alone...done both with company and more alone. Im not sure either way'd make me a better qb.
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Is got caught up a synonym for responded to now? And to be fair I know I responded to that stuff with more content than just thumbing my nose at it. I don't know if you'd care to "get caught up" in that actual stuff at all.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Is got caught up a synonym for responded to now? And to be fair I know I responded to that stuff with more content than just thumbing my nose at it. I don't know if you'd care to "get caught up" in that actual stuff at all.
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I read a lot of post from you wasting memory on a server. You were all caught up on hunting and fishing alone, now your all caught up on being "caught up."

Back to a hack not named Molly...
 
Shishkabob said:
So he shares favorite hobbies with Brett Favre? I guess that guy wasnt a good leader either. the kid was born and raised in the south for many of us we were raised hunting and fishing so yea thats our favorite hobbies. I dont see that meaning he is an introvert and a quiet leader. Ive seen him get in his teammates faces when they mess up, ive heard him conduct interviews in a very sound professional manor. Did you forget he was coached by OB and probably taught by OB how to conduct himself in interviews meaning dont say to much just answer the questions and leave. you are pulling at straws to not like a kid, but then praise another when it was proven by his own teammates multiple years he is not a leader
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Thanks for putting that out there. Some of the biggest extroverts on my high school campus reveled in their hunting and fishing prowess. Preferred activities in the South are not good predictors of social interaction skills. They are instead good predictors of geographic background, including urban/rural identification.
 
powda said:
I read a lot of post from you wasting memory on a server. You were all caught up on hunting and fishing alone, now your all caught up on being "caught up."

Back to a hack not named Molly...
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So nothing about actual content, ok.
 
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