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That's a very misleading stat. He threw over 4500 once in 2009. And when your playing from behind a lot with no run game (see 2010 season) of course your gonna throw the ball more and gain stats.
But isn't it more difficult to successfully execute your passing attack when the defense knows that's what you have to do to come from behind??
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Lastly, you're forgetting that those types of plays take time to develop. What on earth makes you think that Mallett/Savage are going to have more time to sit in the pocket than Fitz has had thus far? If anything those guys would probably have less time as defenses would take advantage of their inexperience. It ain't about being content with Fitz, it's about recognizing realties.
This is where I think O'Brien is now; how can he tell how much it's all Fitz when other guys are screwing up their assignments.

It's a matter of reducing variables. First, let's make sure everyone is doing their job and doing it effectively.

Remember how sucky the Patriots looked when their youngsters weren't on the same page as Brady? Then, against the Bengals, the receivers started running the right routes and the line started picking up blitzes properly, and SHAZAAM!, the Patriots' offensive machine was back in business.

I'm beginning to believe that O'Brien thinks if we're competitive in every game even with not everyone consistently doing their assignments, how good will we be once all the players learn those assignments and don't screw them up?

Now achieving this wondrous state of offensive nirvana might take the rest of the year or they might click in the very next game. Who the hell knows? I do know when the Pats finally got there this season, they looked unstoppable
...and they don't have an Arian Foster, a Andre Johnson, or a Nuk Hopkins.
(of course we don't have a Brady or a Gronk, so there's that)
 
This is where I think O'Brien is now; how can he tell how much it's all Fitz when other guys are screwing up their assignments.

It's a matter of reducing variables. First, let's make sure everyone is doing their job and doing it effectively.

Remember how sucky the Patriots looked when their youngsters weren't on the same page as Brady? Then, against the Bengals, the receivers started running the right routes and the line started picking up blitzes properly, and SHAZAAM!, the Patriots' offensive machine was back in business.

I'm beginning to believe that O'Brien thinks if we're competitive in every game even with not everyone consistently doing their assignments, how good will we be once all the players learn those assignments and don't screw them up?

Now achieving this wondrous state of offensive nirvana might take the rest of the year or they might click in the very next game. Who the hell knows? I do know when the Pats finally got there this season, they looked unstoppable
...and they don't have an Arian Foster, a Andre Johnson, or a Nuk Hopkins.
(of course we don't have a Brady or a Gronk, so there's that)

Some poor team is going to catch it when this team takes out it's frustrations on an unsuspecting opponent.
 
But when we dig a little deeper we notice the protection. Schaub had compared to what Ryan has... In only about 2 years this teams strong suit turned into a weak point

Put Schaub behind this same OL & I bet it looks 10 times better. Not because Schaub can escape pressure, or has better presence, but because he does a better job of reading the defense before & after the snap, & he makes a decision & throws the ball without all the second guessing Fitz does... well, back in the day when Schaub was putting up big numbers that is. Last year's Schaub, not so much which is why he's gone.

This is not a defense of Schaub as much as it is an indictment of Fitzpatrick.
 
Hell people bitched about Schaub when he was at his best ..... :kitten:

Yeah people did, i was a big supporter of Schaub all the way until last season, but i always thought it was funny how people complained about him, while in fact pre injury he was damn good.
 
I'm beginning to believe that O'Brien thinks if we're competitive in every game even with not everyone consistently doing their assignments, how good will we be once all the players learn those assignments and don't screw them up?

Now achieving this wondrous state of offensive nirvana might take the rest of the year or they might click in the very next game. Who the hell knows? I do know when the Pats finally got there this season, they looked unstoppable
...and they don't have an Arian Foster, a Andre Johnson, or a Nuk Hopkins.
(of course we don't have a Brady or a Gronk, so there's that)

I can see this. Anyone saying that Fitzpatrick gives us the best chance to win now is off their rocker. The only thing Fitz has over Mallet is that he's played a lot of football & seen a lot of things. It would make sense that our team would progress faster with a salty vet, & if that's OB's reasoning, I can't fault him.

That "magic" that we see between the 1st & 2nd half kinda points to this, imo. Against the Colts, looks like that "magic" happened in the 2nd qtr, but being down 24-0 kinda skews a lot of things.

We've got nine days to prepare for the Steelers, let's hope we don't come out flat.
 
Put Schaub behind this same OL & I bet it looks 10 times better. Not because Schaub can escape pressure, or has better presence, but because he does a better job of reading the defense before & after the snap, & he makes a decision & throws the ball without all the second guessing Fitz does... well, back in the day when Schaub was putting up big numbers that is. Last year's Schaub, not so much which is why he's gone.

This is not a defense of Schaub as much as it is an indictment of Fitzpatrick.

What ?!?! No QB would
 
And why was he taking less sacks?? Because the entire OLine than we're all pro bowl caliber

That simply isn't true. In particular to the year Schaub led the league in passing.

Pro bowlers:
Brown 2012, 2013
Myers 2011, 2012
Smith 2012

Pre-injury Schaub had 1 pro-bowler for 1 season.

Now what is true is the OL was almost the same from 2006 to 2007 and the Texans with the very mobile Carr to the very immobile Schaub went from 43 sacks to 22 sacks. Smart QB play makes the OL look much better.
 
Put Schaub behind this same OL & I bet it looks 10 times better. Not because Schaub can escape pressure, or has better presence, but because he does a better job of reading the defense before & after the snap, & he makes a decision & throws the ball without all the second guessing Fitz does... well, back in the day when Schaub was putting up big numbers that is. Last year's Schaub, not so much which is why he's gone.

This is not a defense of Schaub as much as it is an indictment of Fitzpatrick.

He was behind this same line...& he set a record for pick 6's.....his lis franc had very little to do with the brain farts he was having last year that caused all those pick 6's too.
 
He was behind this same line...& he set a record for pick 6's.....his lis franc had very little to do with the brain farts he was having last year that caused all those pick 6's too.

He said he wasn't talking about last year.

And his lis franc injury had a lot to do with last year. Pull up film of him pre-injury and last year and compare his feet and legs.
 
And Schaub throwing for 4700 yards is somewhat misleading..Those 2 years were more like an anomaly of sorts anyway. This guy threw for 4000 yds and like 40 TD's 1 year. We know how his career turned out.
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having said that though, Schaub was good for the system and what we needed at the time. there aren't very many situations where a team would need a Ryan Fitzpatrick type..Unfortunately for us, this just happens to be one of those times.
 
He said he wasn't talking about last year.

And his lis franc injury had a lot to do with last year. Pull up film of him pre-injury and last year and compare his feet and legs.

matter of opinion cak.. Some of those throws he made for pick 6's were straight up ill advised (seattle) or so easy the footwork was neglible. we're talking 3 step drops for 5 yd out routes (SF) and check downs where he was standing still!!!(Baltimore)

Plus, pre lis franc Schaub never really put fear into teams nor did he lead us to any big wins. When the bright lights came on, Schaub's play was always average to below average b/c teams took away the run game and by extension the play action pass. That year Indy had Curtis freakin' Painter starting and he still couldn't lead us to a win in Indy b/c the pass pro was terrible is a perfect example of how Schaub would've been playing right now if he were still our qb.
 
And Schaub throwing for 4700 yards is somewhat misleading..Those 2 years were more like an anomaly of sorts anyway. This guy threw for 4000 yds and like 40 TD's 1 year. We know how his career turned out.

One year with a 90+ QB rating in a 75 QB rating career is an anomaly. 5 years in a row of 90+ following an 87 is not an anomaly.
 
One year with a 90+ QB rating in a 75 QB rating career is an anomaly. 5 years in a row of 90+ following an 87 is not an anomaly.

No...which is why i said he was a good qb for what we needed at the time.....but we weren't talking about his qb rating...we were talking about his 4700 yd season. and for a qb of his caliber to top 4300 much less 4700...it was an anomaly. Literally career highs across the board for him in every major statistical category that year. Never got close before or after in any season he played most of the games.
 
No...which is why i said he was a good qb for what we needed at the time.....but we weren't talking about his qb rating...we were talking about his 4700 yd season. and for a qb of his caliber to top 4300 much less 4700...it was an anomaly. Literally career highs across the board for him in every major statistical category that year. Never got close before or after in any season he played most of the games.

Yeah actually he did. 3 seasons of 275+ ypg followed by when they got a running game 2 seasons of 250 ypg.

Anyway...gettin' the conversation too far off track.
 
The Texans record is not evidence that Fitzpatrick has played at an acceptable level. It's indicative of the superior play of Watt, Foster, and others. The Texans have 3 wins in spite of Fitzpatrick. Not because of him.

Other than Watt and Arian, who else has played "superior" on this team? Other than Lechler. Who are the "others"?

It bothers me when a fan base just blames one guy w/o looking at the big picture. Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with Fitz, never have I been. I just think he gives the team a better chance of winning right now than a QB with less mobility. Because the line hasn't performed well at protecting the QB. The ST's wasn't ready for an on-side kick. Bullock missed a 37 yard FG. O'Brien ran a weird play on 3rd and 2 in OT. Two loses in a row and people like you want to blame Fitzpatrick.

Just my two cents, and I can only guess O'Brien believes the same. And no, I'm not a sage, I just know because the HC has said so himself Fitzpatrick is the starting QB and he must have his reasons. The reasons can be, what? Why do you think O'Brien has more faith in Fitzpatrick than Mallett?
 
I can see this. Anyone saying that Fitzpatrick gives us the best chance to win now is off their rocker. The only thing Fitz has over Mallet is that he's played a lot of football & seen a lot of things. It would make sense that our team would progress faster with a salty vet, & if that's OB's reasoning, I can't fault him.

That "magic" that we see between the 1st & 2nd half kinda points to this, imo. Against the Colts, looks like that "magic" happened in the 2nd qtr, but being down 24-0 kinda skews a lot of things.

We've got nine days to prepare for the Steelers, let's hope we don't come out flat.

So O'Brien is "off his rocker"? Have you told him? Either you agree with O'Brien or you don't. You like to condemn him in one sentence an then say you agree with him in the next. So what is it? Do you agree with his decision to stay with Fitzpatrick or not?
 
So O'Brien is "off his rocker"? Have you told him? Either you agree with O'Brien or you don't. You like to condemn him in one sentence an then say you agree with him in the next. So what is it? Do you agree with his decision to stay with Fitzpatrick or not?

I'll speak slower.

I don't agree with anyone who thinks Fitzpatrick gives us the best chance to win now.


If O'Brien thinks the offense will progress faster with Fitzpatrick it makes sense.

Those are not contradictory statements.
 
I'll speak slower.

I don't agree with anyone who thinks Fitzpatrick gives us the best chance to win now.


If O'Brien thinks the offense will progress faster with Fitzpatrick it makes sense.

Those are not contradictory statements.

sure sounds like it to me :D j/s


edit: Maybe it's your terminology?
 
I'll speak slower.

I don't agree with anyone who thinks Fitzpatrick gives us the best chance to win now.


If O'Brien thinks the offense will progress faster with Fitzpatrick it makes sense.

Those are not contradictory statements.

Lol, this makes 0 sense T-skyss.

How can you possibly believe the bolded when the only 2 other options have not shown anything here or anywhere else that they in fact do give us a better chance to win now? I could understand this stance if we had someone on the bench that had at least played more than a snap or 2 in the regular season...say a kyle orton. But we don't. None of the guys you would rather see has done anything in their careers to date that proves........or disproves they are better options for us to win now than Fitz is.The evidence however does not point to the disproving option.

You believing those guys to be better options doesn't qualify as fact..just speculation.
 
Lol, this makes 0 sense T-skyss.

How can you possibly believe the bolded when the only 2 other options have not shown anything here or anywhere else that they in fact do give us a better chance to win now?

You believing those guys to be better options doesn't qualify as fact..just speculation.

My belief is based on the fact that we're using a very simplified offensive game plan. Hand the ball to Arian on first & second, throw it on third & long, hope for the best. As I've said before, Mark Sanchez, Vince Young, & Tj Yates looked better in that type of offense as rookies than Fitzpatrick does now.

Fitz's only asset (that I can see) is that he's got experience, meaning he's seen various defenses in his history. None of that is being put to use right now. I believe it is possible that it may pay off in the future, not now.

If he has any other asset, let me know. What is it about Fitzpatrick that gives us a better chance to win? Be specific.

It's ok to say, "I don't know."
 
The OL play has been spotty at times, but it's not nearly the worst in the league (hello Dolphins), and the backs and WR's have been pretty good really. All that being said, I doubt we see Mallett until the wheels have completely come off the offense, and we are mathematically eliminated, or really close to it.

Fitzpatrick has been okay, but there's no way you can tell me that we can definitively state, as fans, whether Mallett would be better or worse than him in the offense. We just don't know, and we don't have access to any of the practices that could show us who is doing better.

Unfortunately I think the people who believe we will be at .500 or below come season end are right. Oh well.
 
Fitzpatrick has been okay, but there's no way you can tell me that we can definitively state, as fans, whether Mallett would be better or worse than him in the offense. We just don't know...

The idea is that OB is holding the offense back for a reason. It's easy to believe Fitzpatrick is that reason. It doesn't matter if Mallet is better/worse. OB will protect him like he's protecting Fitz. If he can't trust Mallet after six weeks, it's time to move on. Then he can try to protect Savage for four weeks.
 
The idea is that OB is holding the offense back for a reason. It's easy to believe Fitzpatrick is that reason. It doesn't matter if Mallet is better/worse. OB will protect him like he's protecting Fitz. If he can't trust Mallet after six weeks, it's time to move on. Then he can try to protect Savage for four weeks.

It does matter...if you're truly trying to win games...

But lets say we go with your premise. Still, the "reason" could be that he knows he likely doesn't have "his" guy either:

-under center/on the roster.
- ready yet (savage).

Shuffling qbs does nothing for the team and its ability to win right now...other than create uncertainty within the team and even more chemistry/communication issues. So in essence its more about what his options are as opposed to 1 singular person in FItz like a few of you are trying to make it out to be. But right now as of this moment , he's the prettiest of 3 otherwise ugly girls...... before they all recieve their makeovers if you will.
 
The coaching staff? Who regularly see both QB's in practice and made a decision based on what they see?

Perhaps had the defense and special teams not given up 24 POINTS IN THE FIRST QUARTER the Texans would have won and been in first place. It doesn't take a genius to see this.
 
The idea is that OB is holding the offense back for a reason. It's easy to believe Fitzpatrick is that reason. It doesn't matter if Mallet is better/worse. OB will protect him like he's protecting Fitz. If he can't trust Mallet after six weeks, it's time to move on. Then he can try to protect Savage for four weeks.

Maybe his "protecting" these QB's is doing more harm than good ?!!
 
The coaching staff? Who regularly see both QB's in practice and made a decision based on what they see?

Sometimes, players don't look like the same players when they're in practice when compared to a real game. Some shine when given the opportunity in a real game and some shine when the pressure is not there, like in practice.

So sometimes, we won't know what players look like until they actually start playing real games.

This is why I hope that Mallett or Savage will look far better in real game situations than they do in practice.
 
Perhaps had the defense and special teams not given up 24 POINTS IN THE FIRST QUARTER the Texans would have won and been in first place. It doesn't take a genius to see this.

If only the offense could of stayed on the field more than 3 total minutes in the first quarter, they could of caught their breath and actually stayed with TY Hilton.
 
The coaching staff? Who regularly see both QB's in practice and made a decision based on what they see?

Then on gameday I expect to see something from that QB. Right now, we're not. He brings nothing to the table. Opposing teams feel better because they know they've got help on our side of the field.


Actually, they probably don't feel so bad when Jj does his thing, because that means they get another crack at Fitzpatrick.
 
The idea is that OB is holding the offense back for a reason. It's easy to believe Fitzpatrick is that reason. It doesn't matter if Mallet is better/worse. OB will protect him like he's protecting Fitz. If he can't trust Mallet after six weeks, it's time to move on. Then he can try to protect Savage for four weeks.

Ohhh TK, the speculation is strong in this one.

If only the offense could of stayed on the field more than 3 total minutes in the first quarter, they could of caught their breath and actually stayed with TY Hilton.

History is not on your side.
 
O'Brien says it's not just Fitz, it's everybody.
(on if QB Ryan Fitzpatrick is locked in as the starting quarterback) “He’s our starter. That’s what I was trying to say. Again, I’m trying to articulate this the right way. You look at numbers on a piece of paper, yeah, you can look at anybody’s numbers and you can decide how you want to define those numbers. When you look at the film, the film never lies. What the film shows us is that everybody on offense has to play better. Everybody. The line has to play better, the backs have to play better, the tight ends, the receivers and we have to coach better. We’ve got to get these players to understand better what we want them to do. And I think once we start seeing that, we see more consistent play from everyone, then all the positions will be in better shape including quarterback. Again, I think it comes down to a lot of times last night he was hit in his fifth step or his third step and he had a guy right in his face or maybe there was a miscommunication on his part of what we were trying to do. And he has to clean that up himself. Everybody has to do better.”
 
O'Brien says it's not just Fitz, it's everybody.

I think this is at least the second time you've posted this. I speak coachspeak, so let me translate....

We fuked up. We thought we'd be rebuilding this year & the team wouldn't be playing well enough to win four games. We knew we'd be able to win a few games if Arian ran well, but we didn't expect him to be able to run like this. We tried our best to sabotage him with 55 carries a game, but the S.O.B. just keeps getting stronger. We've tried to keep Cushing off the field as much as possible so that Watt would be out there by himself, but that son-of-a-gun really can do everything by himself.

Heck, we won three games so far & we really weren't trying, I know you caught that 3rd & 2 call when I took Arian out of the backfield.... almost screwed up & won that one. But we're sticking with Fitzpatrick until Mallet signs a long term deal. I feel good about him, from the time I spent with him in New England, Godsey feels good about him, believes he can be a franchise guy. But Ryan feels good about his ability & he's deadset on hitting free agency.

We figure if we win one more game without him, he'll cave. He really wants to play, to show what he can do, but we're not going to let him use us to bolster his value in free agency. So unless Fitzpatrick gets hurt, or Mallet signs, we're sticking with Fitz...... when Arian blows a hammy, then the fans will understand we're not going to win many games until I get more of my guys on the roster.
 
I'm just gonna throw this out there...

We all knew that the Texans would go as well as Shitspatrick would go.

We knew the defense (aka JJ WATT) would keep the Texans at least in games...

Shitspatrick has shown what he is. Brilliant at times, terrible at times which equals 50%...

Why not throw Mallett into the mix???

Is he so bad that as a young QB he couldn't go (5-5) or 50% for the rest of the season? If he would go 5 & 5, what's lost or gained?

I'm not pimping Ryan Mallet, and I do think that Savage is not the guy AND think the Texans still need to pursue a QB.....


Bottom line in my thinking is that the Texans need to scrap shitspatrick and go and explore different options, whether Mallet or Savage, AND OF COURSE explore this year's QB draft class.
 
Addressing what needs to be addressed...

(on if QB Ryan Mallett is where he wants him to be) “He is. He’s really worked hard. He’s had a good week of practice this week. He has good command out there both in the huddle and at the line of scrimmage. He’s working to be more consistent on a day-to-day basis with throwing the ball, accuracy. He’s got a fantastic arm. He’s worked very hard to get better and better at all the different throws that we ask him to make. He’s definitely where we want him to be and we just need him to keep working to get better. He’s worked very hard. He’s been here early, stayed late. Been a big help on game day on the side line, so he’s where we thought he’d be.”

(on if the transition has been smooth for QB Ryan Mallett because he is coming from a similar system) “Yeah. I think there is two things that I saw with Ryan was the first thing you just said that the transition was smoother because he knew the offense, at least the basis of it, and he had worked with myself and George Godsey before. He knew our coaching style. He knew kind of how we did things. I think the other thing you see is that he obviously took some great things from backing up Tom Brady for three years. His command in the huddle, his command at the line of scrimmage, his knowledge of little things within the offense, you can see that. It’s been good to see that.”

(on if QB Ryan Mallett plays a significant role on game day) “He does. He does a good job. He’s got the ear piece where he can hear the play call. He knows what we’re looking for on the different plays. I can tell you in some games he’s had some decent things that he’s seen out there. We ask those guys to see that. Hey, what did you see between series and things like that? He’s had some really good view points.”
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...lability/646aa359-ab13-49c9-9aba-694566d01b7b
 
I think this is at least the second time you've posted this. I speak coachspeak, so let me translate....

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TK, my friend....
A day may come when common sense eludes me and sanity fails me and I start to believe this conspiracy theory of yours

but it is not THIS day

:D
 
TK, my friend....
A day may come when common sense eludes me and sanity fails me and I start to believe this conspiracy theory of yours

but it is not THIS day

:D

Common sense says we didn't sign Fitzpatrick to be our starting QB. Look at the money. Look at his history. Veteran back-up, sure. Mentor... eh, maybe. But it takes a different sort of cat to look at Fitzpatrick & say, "Yup... that's my starting QB."

Something went wrong. & what we're hearing from OB is the equivalent of "It's on me."

Go back & look at the pressers from Kubiak after each & every Schaub pick six...... "It's not just the QB." "The whole team has to play better."

SSDD
 
If only the offense could of stayed on the field more than 3 total minutes in the first quarter, they could of caught their breath and actually stayed with TY Hilton.

The Colts had the ball in the first 8 minutes of the game for 5:34 and 18 offensive plays on their first three drives to go up 17-0. Not one of those three drives lasted 3 minutes and they all went for 54-56 yards.

Are you suggesting that to start the game, the defense was not in shape/conditioning to play 5 minutes worth of football on 18 snaps during three different series on half of the field? And that this is somehow the fault of the offense?
 
Common sense says we didn't sign Fitzpatrick to be our starting QB. Look at the money. Look at his history. Veteran back-up, sure. Mentor... eh, maybe. But it takes a different sort of cat to look at Fitzpatrick & say, "Yup... that's my starting QB."

Something went wrong. & what we're hearing from OB is the equivalent of "It's on me."

Go back & look at the pressers from Kubiak after each & every Schaub pick six...... "It's not just the QB." "The whole team has to play better."

SSDD
Agree with every word.
I, too, see more similarities than differences.

I still hold hope that when this roster knows this offense as well as they knew the previous one, we will be a very tough out... for anybody.
 
The Colts had the ball in the first 8 minutes of the game for 5:34 and 18 offensive plays on their first three drives to go up 17-0. Not one of those three drives lasted 3 minutes and they all went for 54-56 yards.

Are you suggesting that to start the game, the defense was not in shape/conditioning to play 5 minutes worth of football on 18 snaps during three different series on half of the field? And that this is somehow the fault of the offense?

I think he's suggesting that when your defense gets beat it could use an opportunity to get its collective crap together and when the offense doesn't at the very least do better than a three and out then sending that defense back out there right away doesn't help.

That quarter was IMO just a perfect example of What happens when the O and the D **** the bed at the exact same time.
 
Agree with every word.
I, too, see more similarities than differences.

I still hold hope that when this roster knows this offense as well as they knew the previous one, we will be a very tough out... for anybody.



I have heard this at different times. Hasn't the team been exposed to this offense since April, when they had their first minicamp? Haven't they had a training camp, four preseason games, and six regular season games to get to "know" this offense? The only thing these offensive players have had to do over the last six months is to learn this offense- why does it take so long?

I know this may be a very naïve question, and if I'm off base, please correct me. It just seems this is used as an excuse far too often. These guys are getting paid big money to learn this- shouldn't they have done it by now?
 
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I have heard this at different times. Hasn't the team been exposed to this offense since April, when they had their first minicamp? Haven't they had a training camp, four preseason games, and six regular season games to get to "know" this offense? The only thing these offensive players have had to do over the last six months is to learn this offense- why does it take so long?

I know this may be a very naïve question, and if I'm off base, please correct me. It just seems this is used as an excuse far too often. These guys are getting paid big money to learn this- shouldn't they have done it by now?
I think its like the difference in learning a new language and knowing well enough to be fluent in it. Even when you think you know a new language you struggle for the right words and have no clue about slang or dialects.
To put it another way, Fitz may kinda know the this offense, Tom Brady is fluent in it.
 
I think its like the difference in learning a new language and knowing well enough to be fluent in it. Even when you think you know a new language you struggle for the right words and have no clue about slang or dialects.
To put it another way, Fitz may kinda know the this offense, Tom Brady is fluent in it.

There's some of that for sure. Then you also need to consider the defenses we're facing have been together even longer.
 
I think its like the difference in learning a new language and knowing well enough to be fluent in it. Even when you think you know a new language you struggle for the right words and have no clue about slang or dialects.
To put it another way, Fitz may kinda know the this offense, Tom Brady is fluent in it.

Doesn't look like Flacco is having any difficulty learning Kubiak's offense. :good:
 
Doesn't look like Flacco is having any difficulty learning Kubiak's offense. :good:
Brian Hoyer is using the Shanahan version up in Cleveland too. He's using it to put Manziel on the sidelines with it.

Remember when Rosenfels said it was much more QB-friendly than the NE offense. I think he was on MADD radio back in the spring.
 
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