Ryan Mallett

[Corrosion]

How could the RB's play better? Arian is on pace for a career year.

I gotta quote this post again .... cause I was concentrating on TE play and routes in the prior post.

Foster playing as well as he is .... and we don't see a heavy dose of play action. How do you not exploit that on a regular basis ?!

Why isn't Foster the first option as a check down , getting him the ball in the flats. He is after all one of the best open field runners in the game ....give him a chance to make someone miss and make a big play instead of going 5 wide with no one to pick up a blitz when the defense is getting pressure going 4 on 5.

 

[Speedy]

But O'Brien says if all the other guys step up and do their jobs we can win with Fitz.

Well of course you can, BO'B. The Ravens won with Dilfer. But if you don't get all the other guys "stepping up", to go along with a defense that's 85 Bears-ish, 2000 Ravens-ish or 13 Seattle-ish, you will NOT win with Fitz. Instead, you will need a QB who can overcome those deficiencies and carry a team to victory every so often, unlike Fitz (see last 2 games).

Not saying that Mallett can, but we know Fitz can't. And we've got 10 years of film on him. HE CAN'T BO'B!!! Yes the Texans can win with Fitz if they play damn near perfect football in all 3 phases, but that doesn't happen very often. And when it doesn't, when your defense is having a bad day, or your offense has been struggling, you need a QB that can throw it on his shoulders and go win you a football game (see Green Bay Sunday).

Again, I don't know if Mallett makes it better or worse, but sticking with Fitz, your best case scenario is 8-8. BEST case. If Mallett comes in and is worse, and the Texans go 6-10, what difference is that really going to make? You find out he can't play, you don't re-sign him, you drop him and Fitz after the season and you go get your QB next April.

But what if he comes in and you find out he can play a little bit and you go 10-6, make the wild card, maybe win the South?

To me, it's a nothing to lose situation. Indy in Indy, Cincy, Philly and Baltimore are games that are likely to go down in the loss column. Or let's just say the Texans won't be favored in those games. That would put you at 7 losses right there. You need a QB that can steal you a couple of those games. Fitz ain't it.

Yeah you can win with Fitz. In fact, I think they can beat Pittsburgh Monday with Fitz. But they're going to have to play damn near perfect football to do it. No stupid penalties, get after Big Ben, win the turnover battle by at least 2, including not turning it over at all on offense because this offense can't afford to give away possessions. But if those things don't happen, Fitz is not going to go out there, throw this team on his shoulders and win that game.

You've got to make the change.

 

[ObsiWan]

So why were you quoting me?

The previous quote from you seemed to be arguing that we could make a change no matter what "success" the record indicated. Your train of logic was, as I interpreted it, because Harbaugh did it in the midst of a successful season with Smith, O'Brien could replace Fitz with Mallet or Savage.

I got the impression that O'Brien is satisfied with Fitz's play when everyone else "does their job".

And my initial response was to Bulls On Parade, when I said, O'Brien wasn't going to change QBs if we had just won 3 in a row.

Then you jumped in with "well Harbaugh did it..."

I just don't see O'Brien replacing his anointed starter unless we're out of the playoff race and he takes the remaining games to evaluate his backups.
or
if the game film studies show that everyone else HAS stepped up their game and ARE consistently doing their jobs (blocking, running correct routes, etc.) and its unarguably Fitz that costs us games.

 

[Marshall]

Anyone but Bush

Anyone but Schaub

Anyone but Obama

Anyone but FitzCrapTrick.

Historic:

Anyone but Johnson

Anyone but Nixon (except Agnew of course)

Anyone but Ford

Anyone but Carter

From the Future:

Anyone but Hitlary

Anyone but (insert ANY future QB)

 

[thunderkyss]

The previous quote from you seemed to be arguing that we could make a change no matter what "success" the record indicated. Your train of logic was, as I interpreted it, because Harbaugh did it in the midst of a successful season with Smith, O'Brien could replace Fitz with Mallet or Savage.

I got the impression that O'Brien is satisfied with Fitz's play when everyone else "does their job".

And my initial response was to Bulls On Parade, when I said, O'Brien wasn't going to change QBs if we had just won 3 in a row.

Then you jumped in with "well Harbaugh did it..."

I just don't see O'Brien replacing his anointed starter unless we're out of the playoff race and he takes the remaining games to evaluate his backups.
or
if the game film studies show that everyone else HAS stepped up their game and ARE consistently doing their jobs (blocking, running correct routes, etc.) and its unarguably Fitz that costs us games.

Whether O'Brien is ready to do it or not, doesn't change the fact that a 3-3 record shouldn't stop you from evaluating your QBs performance. Whether it's Ben Jones, Dj Swearinger, Whitney Mercilus, or Duane Brown, bad play is bad play.

 

[EllisUnit]

But O'Brien says if all the other guys step up and do their jobs we can win with Fitz.

This kinda has a Kubiak/Schaub feel to it to me

 

[speedfreek]

If the Texans are down by multiple scores before half, I wanna
see me some (Spandau)Mallett.

Need to see what the "Texas Hammer" brings to the table before
the season gets away from us..

If we're done by week 10 or so, the lets "go all primitive" with Savage
for the rest of the season..

 

[Hervoyel]

This kinda has a Kubiak/Schaub feel to it to me

I think you have a point. It does have that kind of feeling to it. It seems to me to be counterproductive loyalty toward a player he has spent less than a year with and who isn't exactly tearing it up.

 

[santo]

the guy who Fitz beat out for the starting job.

Honestly, looking back now, I don't think Keenum and Yates were ever in the running to be starter from the beginning. Which makes it more of a head scratcher as to what OB sees in Fitz.

 

[JB]

Honestly, looking back now, I don't think Keenum and Yates were ever in the running to be starter from the beginning. Which makes it more of a head scratcher as to what OB sees in Fitz.

A smart guy

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Well of course you can, BO'B. The Ravens won with Dilfer. But if you don't get all the other guys "stepping up", to go along with a defense that's 85 Bears-ish, 2000 Ravens-ish or 13 Seattle-ish, you will NOT win with Fitz. Instead, you will need a QB who can overcome those deficiencies and carry a team to victory every so often, unlike Fitz (see last 2 games).

Not saying that Mallett can, but we know Fitz can't. And we've got 10 years of film on him. HE CAN'T BO'B!!! Yes the Texans can win with Fitz if they play damn near perfect football in all 3 phases, but that doesn't happen very often. And when it doesn't, when your defense is having a bad day, or your offense has been struggling, you need a QB that can throw it on his shoulders and go win you a football game (see Green Bay Sunday).

Again, I don't know if Mallett makes it better or worse, but sticking with Fitz, your best case scenario is 8-8. BEST case. If Mallett comes in and is worse, and the Texans go 6-10, what difference is that really going to make? You find out he can't play, you don't re-sign him, you drop him and Fitz after the season and you go get your QB next April.

But what if he comes in and you find out he can play a little bit and you go 10-6, make the wild card, maybe win the South?

To me, it's a nothing to lose situation. Indy in Indy, Cincy, Philly and Baltimore are games that are likely to go down in the loss column. Or let's just say the Texans won't be favored in those games. That would put you at 7 losses right there. You need a QB that can steal you a couple of those games. Fitz ain't it.

Yeah you can win with Fitz. In fact, I think they can beat Pittsburgh Monday with Fitz. But they're going to have to play damn near perfect football to do it. No stupid penalties, get after Big Ben, win the turnover battle by at least 2, including not turning it over at all on offense because this offense can't afford to give away possessions. But if those things don't happen, Fitz is not going to go out there, throw this team on his shoulders and win that game.

You've got to make the change.

Great post. I agree with everything you mentioned. I tried my best to rally behind Ryan Fitzpatrick but the play that convinced me he wasn't the guy? That 3rd and 2 incomplete pass in overtime against the Cowboys.

It was a bad play call, first of all, (Bill O'Brien probably out-thought himself) but even so, Ryan Fitzpatrick, as a 10-year veteran, eyed Arian Foster the entire time like he was a rookie. And Foster lined up as a wide receiver on the play and wasn't even in the backfield like he should have been. We were at the Cowboys 45 or so, looking like we were marching down the field with Arian Foster ramming it down their throats.

Anyways, it was just a typical Ryan Fitzpatrick pass in a critical moment in the game. You just know he isn't going to complete the pass. At some point I want to lay some blame on an intelligent quarterback out of Harvard who's been in the league for a decade. Yes, our offensive line is struggling and I'll cut him some slack but at some point we need our quarterback to make some "F-en" plays if you know what I mean. At least inspire the rest of the team that he can make that big-time pass with the game on the line.

Just with an average quarterback, not even anybody who is good, we'd have beaten the Cowboys and Colts. We would be sitting pretty with a 5-1 record right now. And that's without Jadeveon Clowney, our number one overall pick. I do believe we made the right choice drafting Clowney but we probably missed the boat on a Derek Carr in the second round. We just need somebody, anybody, who can actually make a decent pass in critical moments. Is Ryan Mallett that guy? I'd like to find out so we can know whether or not we have to invest a first or second-round pick on a quarterback in the 2015 NFL Draft.

 

[dream_team]

Hey, I'm on your side. My point was that even though the 49ers were winning, Harbaugh knew he didn't have a QB he could win a Super Bowl with.

A good question then is did Harbaugh make the right move? They haven't won a SB with Kaep. Who knows if they would've won with Smith?

Majority of my friends are 49er fans. Alot of them wish they stuck with Alex Smith.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

The funny thing is I believe the Texans will beat the Steelers, Titans and Eagles and enter the bye week with a 6-3 record. But it's not going to be because of Ryan Fitzpatrick. It's going to be because our defense is dominating like the best defense in the league, which I expect us to be with Jadeveon Clowney back on the field, and Arian Foster continuing to run like he has been the past few games. He's been arguably the best RB in the game the past few games. Better than the NFL's leading rusher DeMarco Murray. Foster has 4 Touchdowns and 266 yards rushing in the past two games. He's averaging about 6.4 yards per carry. Looking like the Arian of old, the one considered to be a top three back and a fantasy football God.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

A good question then is did Harbaugh make the right move? They haven't won a SB with Kaep. Who knows if they would've won with Smith?

Majority of my friends are 49er fans. Alot of them wish they stuck with Alex Smith.

Only time will tell but I do believe we're going to become a dominating defensive unit with a great running offense. Sort of like what the 49ers had. Except our quarterback situation isn't nearly as good. I'd take Alex freakin' Smith over Ryan Fitzpatrick that's for sure. I'm hoping that Ryan Mallett is at least good and learned something sitting on the bench with a headset and clipboard behind Tom Brady while in New England.

 

[gary]

Bob, it has taken Smith so long to find an elite QB but he is still the GM. Why?

 

[JB]

Bob, it has taken Smith so long to find an elite QB but he is still the GM. Why?

Not making excuses, but it ain't easy. 32 teams in the league, how many have elite QB's?

 

[infantrycak]

Not making excuses, but it ain't easy. 32 teams in the league, how many have elite QB's?

And I'm going to take a wild guess he had no marching orders to find a replacement for Schaub.

 

[dream_team]

Bob, it has taken Smith so long to find an elite QB but he is still the GM. Why?

Because finding elite QBs is extremely difficult. Majority of the teams in NFL don't have an elite QB and are spending several years searching for one.

 

[JB]

And I'm going to take a wild guess he had no marching orders to find a replacement for Schaub.

They thought an UDFA was that guy? Or Yates?

 

[ObsiWan]

Whether O'Brien is ready to do it or not, doesn't change the fact that a 3-3 record shouldn't stop you from evaluating your QBs performance. Whether it's Ben Jones, Dj Swearinger, Whitney Mercilus, or Duane Brown, bad play is bad play.

I agree with that and I think O'Brien also does. In fact, I'm sure he and the squad go over the game film every week and critique everyone's performance.

However, he sees the good Fitz when all the other pieces work as he thinks they should. So his thing is, as I interpret it, there's no need to change Fitz if the other ten guys perform as required.

...and maybe he's got a point.

Why focus solely on QB change when that's only one part of the problem?
Maybe if the O-line blocked better, Fitz would have time to make the right reads or not fumble trying to escape on-rushing linemen.
Or maybe Fitz could hit a TE if they could get open reliably or if the O-line blocked well enough for their routes to develop...

So if we're 6-3 going into the bye, why would he change QBs unless he's certain that's the root cause of our offensive issues.
Because if root cause really is the other guys doing a crappy job of blocking, route-running, etc., changing QBs won't improve the team. And he changed something that was working, at least record-wise (we're 6-3 in this scenario), and didn't address the real issue.

 

[infantrycak]

They thought an UDFA was that guy? Or Yates?

I don't think they were looking for replacements at all, just backups. Not saying that was smart, just my impression of what happened.

 

[Corrosion]

I agree with that and I think O'Brien also does. In fact, I'm sure he and the squad go over the game film every week and critique everyone's performance.

However, he sees the good Fitz when all the other pieces work as he thinks they should. So his thing is, as I interpret it, there's no need to change Fitz if the other ten guys perform as required.

...and maybe he's got a point.

Why focus solely on QB change when that's only one part of the problem?
Maybe if the O-line blocked better, Fitz would have time to make the right reads or not fumble trying to escape on-rushing linemen.
Or maybe Fitz could hit a TE if they could get open reliably or if the O-line blocked well enough for their routes to develop...

So if we're 6-3 going into the bye, why would he change QBs unless he's certain that's the root cause of our offensive issues.
Because if root cause really is the other guys doing a crappy job of blocking, route-running, etc., changing QBs won't improve the team. And he changed something that was working, at least record-wise (we're 6-3 in this scenario), and didn't address the real issue.

Aint this exactly what I said about 10 pages ago ?!

 

[HOU-TEX]

The funny thing is I believe the Texans will beat the Steelers, Titans and Eagles and enter the bye week with a 6-3 record. But it's not going to be because of Ryan Fitzpatrick. It's going to be because our defense is dominating like the best defense in the league, which I expect us to be with Jadeveon Clowney back on the field, and Arian Foster continuing to run like he has been the past few games. He's been arguably the best RB in the game the past few games. Better than the NFL's leading rusher DeMarco Murray. Foster has 4 Touchdowns and 266 yards rushing in the past two games. He's averaging about 6.4 yards per carry. Looking like the Arian of old, the one considered to be a top three back and a fantasy football God.

Man your Koolaid must be laced with something.

A dominating defense doesn't give up almost 400 yards per game.

Pair that defense with an offense that has a 37% 3rd down conversion rate and you have a recipe for disaster

 

[ObsiWan]

Aint this exactly what I said about 10 pages ago ?!

Hell, I don't know
I've slept since then
I have volatle memory. It gets erased when I go to sleep.

...what were we talking about?

 

[gary]

Be OK with subpar play if you wish but I am not.

 

[cstyle42]

Be OK with subpar play if you wish but I am not.

Amen Amen Amen!!! Please us texans fans need to demand more we are one of four nfl cities to never reach the super bowl. Screw Mediocrity and it's a million excuses.

 

[JB]

Amen Amen Amen!!! Please us texans fans need to demand more we are one of four nfl cities to never reach the super bowl. Screw Mediocrity and it's a million excuses.

Yep ***** & moan loud enough and we go from Schaub to Fitzpatrick

From Fizpatrick to ...

Scary!

 

[Corrosion]

Yep ***** & moan loud enough and we go from Schaub to Fitzpatrick

From Fizpatrick to ...

Scary!

Hell people bitched about Schaub when he was at his best .....

 

[infantrycak]

Hell people bitched about Schaub when he was at his best .....

I've held off on saying this but yes and damn it's strange. We've gone from bitching about a damn good non-elite QB to hunky dory with a barely managing to start QB.

 

[Mr teX]

I agree with that and I think O'Brien also does. In fact, I'm sure he and the squad go over the game film every week and critique everyone's performance.

However, he sees the good Fitz when all the other pieces work as he thinks they should. So his thing is, as I interpret it, there's no need to change Fitz if the other ten guys perform as required.

...and maybe he's got a point.

Why focus solely on QB change when that's only one part of the problem?
Maybe if the O-line blocked better, Fitz would have time to make the right reads or not fumble trying to escape on-rushing linemen.
Or maybe Fitz could hit a TE if they could get open reliably or if the O-line blocked well enough for their routes to develop...

So if we're 6-3 going into the bye, why would he change QBs unless he's certain that's the root cause of our offensive issues.
Because if root cause really is the other guys doing a crappy job of blocking, route-running, etc., changing QBs won't improve the team. And he changed something that was working, at least record-wise (we're 6-3 in this scenario), and didn't address the real issue.

There's no maybe to it, BoB has a great point. Mallett could be the truth at qb & we still really wouldn't be able to tell if he had to play with this team as it is currently playing. It's funny b/c many in here arguing for Mallett were saying that Keenum could've been our starter if he just got better play from all the guys around him. Now that Fitz is dealing with alot of the same team performance issues that Keenum had to, That dog all of a sudden don't hunt anymore....they're just ready to move on.

I hate that im in here defending Fitz-turd but you guys gotta wake up and smell the roses. This team just isn't good. The qb sucks..but so does the o-line and TE's currently. And i also think some of you are getting caught up thinking that our defense is good too b/c of Watt's dominance. Just b/c we have the best defensive player in the game on our team doesn't mean we have a good defense. getting 24 pts dropped on you in 1 qtr. is unacceptable by any measure. Our lb core is garbage, secondary is mediocore and our oveall team speed is just trash. IMO we'll be lucky to get to 8-8 with this team as it is currently constructed.

All changing qb's really does is calm most of the bitching and complaining down for a couple weeks until everyone is ready to start Savage by week 13.

 

[thunderkyss]

There's no maybe to it, BoB has a great point. Mallett could be the truth at qb & we still really wouldn't be able to tell if he had to play with this team as it is currently playing. It's funny b/c many in here arguing for Mallett were saying that Keenum could've been our starter if he just got better play from all the guys around him. Now that Fitz is dealing with alot of the same team performance issues that Keenum had to, That dog all of a sudden don't hunt anymore....they're just ready to move on.

Arian Foster running the way he is & the defense getting the turnovers they are, makes this situation totally different than Keenums. When we said "everybody" in Keenum's case, we meant everybody. In Fitzpatrick's, we mean everybody but Arian & Jj Watt. Heck, most would have been happy if not for the turnstyle we had at RT last season, which doesn't appear to be as big a problem this year.

If the rest of the team was performing as badly as they were last season, you'd have a point. This season, not so much.

I hate that im in here defending Fitz-turd but you guys gotta wake up and smell the roses. This team just isn't good. The qb sucks..but so does the o-line and TE's currently. And i also think some of you are getting caught up thinking that our defense is good too b/c of Watt's dominance. Just b/c we have the best defensive player in the game on our team doesn't mean we have a good defense. getting 24 pts dropped on you in 1 qtr. is unacceptable by any measure. Our lb core is garbage, secondary is mediocore and our oveall team speed is just trash. IMO we'll be lucky to get to 8-8 with this team as it is currently constructed.

All changing qb's really does is calm most of the bitching and complaining down for a couple weeks until everyone is ready to start Savage by week 13.

No, changing QBs gets us off "stuck on neutral" We could put Lechler in to hand the ball off to Arian. Putting Mallet or Savage in stretches the field.

If you can't see that... yeah I can see being content with Fitz.

 

[Mr teX]

Arian Foster running the way he is & the defense getting the turnovers they are, makes this situation totally different than Keenums. When we said "everybody" in Keenum's case, we meant everybody. In Fitzpatrick's, we mean everybody but Arian & Jj Watt. Heck, most would have been happy if not for the turnstyle we had at RT last season, which doesn't appear to be as big a problem this year.

If the rest of the team was performing as badly as they were last season, you'd have a point. This season, not so much.

You're splitting hairs here, the only difference here is that Arian has played in 5 out of 6 of our games this year. It hasn't really mattered much in how this team has performed on offense this year..and that's not so much b/c Fitz sucks in the passing game, it's b/c the o-line's pass pro is still subpar. The only real difference from last year to this year in that regard is that the turnstile has been on the left side instead of the right.

No, changing QBs gets us off "stuck on neutral" We could put Lechler in to hand the ball off to Arian. Putting Mallet or Savage in stretches the field.

If you can't see that... yeah I can see being content with Fitz.

So we get out of neutral and go in reverse then? #1, statistically speaking stretching the field with long pass plays are low percentage plays. 2nd, those type of plays have to be set up with either short passing plays or a gashing run game. Arian's has done pretty good in that regard, but its been mostly to 1 side & it's been largely due to Arian many times making something out of nothing.

3rd and perhaps most importantly, stretching the field with long pass plays surprisingly hasn't really been an issue with Fitz at the helm. When he's had time to take his shots, he's hit them for the most part. Lastly, you're forgetting that those types of plays take time to develop. What on earth makes you think that Mallett/Savage are going to have more time to sit in the pocket than Fitz has had thus far? If anything those guys would probably have less time as defenses would take advantage of their inexperience. It ain't about being content with Fitz, it's about recognizing realties.

 

[Uncle Rico]

They forgot how to get open .... after catching 92 balls last season from a broken down Schaub & Case Keenum , the guy who Fitz beat out for the starting job.

They have a total of 13 catches this season.

Main reason I believe is that they don't run routes that put them in favorable matchups Vs smaller safeties over the middle of the field - Everything is short routes that break towards the sidelines , generally covered by an LBer who matches up much better.

You spent a 3rd on "The Next Gronk" for Petes sake. Graham was a very serviceable TE prior to this year. Drives me nuts. All the defense has to do is double the outside and like you said allow their LB's to use the field to defense what has been a very routine 10 yard out or flag to the middle. Way too predictable.

 

[Uncle Rico]

He might be a little more wordy, but basically all he says is, "It's on me."

Yup. At least 'they're battling' ... Yeesh.

 

[thunderkyss]

So we get out of neutral and go in reverse then?

Why would we be going in reverse? What exactly is Fitz doing to put us on the plus side of the equation? You've seen Fitz, you know what he is. If OB thinks he can "fix" Fitz, it shouldn't be too hard to "fix" whatever's ailing Mallet, but at least then you'll have a plus arm to work into the equation.

Hand off, hand off, throw it on third & long. Like I said, might as well put Lechler back there.

 

[Mr teX]

Why would we be going in reverse? What exactly is Fitz doing to put us on the plus side of the equation? You've seen Fitz, you know what he is. If OB thinks he can "fix" Fitz, it shouldn't be too hard to "fix" whatever's ailing Mallet, but at least then you'll have a plus arm to work into the equation.

Hand off, hand off, throw it on third & long. Like I said, might as well put Lechler back there.

You'd be in reverse b/c there's absolutely nothing you, me and most importantly BoB has seen from Mallett or Savage....to say that you wont go backwards. In fact, given their starting experience, worse overall qb play is the most likely outcome. For every Rothlisberger, Kaepernick and Brady you name, i can name 5 guys who had similar circumstances and failed miserably. The fact Both mallett and savage have "plus" arms has about as much to do with their success as us rooting really really hard for them in NRG...i.e. Ultimately it gonna have very little to do with the liklihood of either giving us better overall qb play.

the statistics overwhelmingly point to this. veteran leadership. There.s a reason coaches covet players who have it and give them the benefit of the doubt over young and inexperienced guys. its also the prime reason mediocore to average qbs like David Carr, Vinny Testaverde and Kyle Orton (ryan fitzpatrick) can last in the league 10 plus years as staters and back ups.

 

[gary]

While not being all elite most teams have good ones.

 

[steelbtexan]

Because finding elite QBs is extremely difficult. Majority of the teams in NFL don't have an elite QB and are spending several years searching for one.

Like 11 going on 12 yrs.

 

[Corrosion]

Like 11 going on 12 yrs.

Schaub was on the fringes of elite for several years .... Injuries ruined that tho.


He threw for 4500+ yards in back to back seasons , when he accomplished that , only a handful of QB's had done it in the history of the NFL.

It may be a routine statistic now but that's because of the rule changes. Schaub at his best was a very good QB ..... I'd take a clone right now and this team could easily win it all with him this season.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Like 11 going on 12 yrs.

We had a pretty good QB for a few years, there.

There are a lot of teams out there that have been looking for an elite QB longer than we've even been in existence.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Schaub was on the fringes of elite for several years .... Injuries ruined that tho.


He threw for 4500+ yards in back to back seasons , when he accomplished that , only a handful of QB's had done it in the history of the NFL.

It may be a routine statistic now but that's because of the rule changes. Schaub at his best was a very good QB ..... I'd take a clone right now and this team could easily win it all with him this season.

That's a very misleading stat. He threw over 4500 once in 2009. And when your playing from behind a lot with no run game (see 2010 season) of course your gonna throw the ball more and gain stats.

 

[JB]

That's a very misleading stat. He threw over 4500 once in 2009. And when your playing from behind a lot with no run game (see 2010 season) of course your gonna throw the ball more and gain stats.

He also threw for over 4000 yds with 22 td's in 2012 when the Texans were ahead most of the time and could run the ball effectively

And that was post injury

 

[infantrycak]

That's a very misleading stat. He threw over 4500 once in 2009. And when your playing from behind a lot with no run game (see 2010 season) of course your gonna throw the ball more and gain stats.

Not really misleading. It's easy to say they had to pass a lot but it's not as easily done, otherwise bad teams would be leading the league in passing regularly. You think Fitz could be leading the league right now? Not a chance. And it was impressive because Schaub's play fake was good enough to fool people even without a realistic rushing threat.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Not really misleading. It's easy to say they had to pass a lot but it's not as easily done, otherwise bad teams would be leading the league in passing regularly. You think Fitz could be leading the league right now? Not a chance. And it was impressive because Schaub's play fake was good enough to fool people even without a realistic rushing threat.

But when we dig a little deeper we notice the protection. Schaub had compared to what Ryan has... In only about 2 years this teams strong suit turned into a weak point

 

[Texan_Bill]

That's a very misleading stat. He threw over 4500 once in 2009. And when your playing from behind a lot with no run game (see 2010 season) of course your gonna throw the ball more and gain stats.

Revisionist History, much?

Go to Geno's or Pat's for some delicious cheesesteaks....

That was a part of the Texans offense. They weren't playing from behind. In fact, I think the year he threw for over 4700 yards, we're the Texans not a playoff team? In 2008 he threw for over 4000 yards, we're they not a playoff team? Meanwhile having a pretty good running game?


Bottom line is this, Matt Schaub was never an elite QB, but was on the cusp of being considered... His Lins Franc injury played out exactly as my dear friend, CloakNDagger, (aka Doc Jean) predicted.

I wish Matt and his wife all the best, but his NFL career is and has been done.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Revisionist History, much?

Go to Geno's or Pat's for some delicious cheesesteaks....

That was a part of the Texans offense. They weren't playing from behind. In fact, I think the year he threw for over 4700 yards, we're the Texans not a playoff team? In 2008 he threw for over 4000 yards, we're they not a playoff team? Meanwhile having a pretty good running game?


Bottom line is this, Matt Schaub was never an elite QB, but was on the cusp of being considered... His Lins Franc injury played out exactly as my dear friend, CloakNDagger, (aka Doc Jean) predicted.

I wish Matt and his wife all the best, but his NFL career is and has been done.

Genos and Pats ARE TERRIBLE side show attractions that I would NEVER tell anyone to go to.

 

[humblegeo]

If we lose this next game, losing 4 of our last 5 games then I'll be ready for the Mallett experiment. We've lost 3 of 4 right now.

 

[Lucky]

So a Ryan Mallett thread turns into a Matt Schaub thread? Really?

I still like Bill O'Brien and the energy he's brought to the franchise. It was needed. And he's the coach and he should coach the players he wants to coach and play the players he wants to play. It's his job on the line. But....

....Don't go to the "tape doesn't lie" line. We watch the games, too. And Houston Texans fans know bad QB play when they see it. We have experience in this department. And we've seen some bad QB play this season.

So Bill, play who you feel is best for the team. Just don't BS us.

 

[infantrycak]

But when we dig a little deeper we notice the protection. Schaub had compared to what Ryan has... In only about 2 years this teams strong suit turned into a weak point

Mixed Schaub and Ryan so...

Yeah that's not really looking deeper. Schaub out performed Harvard boy at not taking sacks. Up to his injury he was great when blitzed.

 

[steelbtexan]

Revisionist History, much?

Go to Geno's or Pat's for some delicious cheesesteaks....

That was a part of the Texans offense. They weren't playing from behind. In fact, I think the year he threw for over 4700 yards, we're the Texans not a playoff team? In 2008 he threw for over 4000 yards, we're they not a playoff team? Meanwhile having a pretty good running game?


Bottom line is this, Matt Schaub was never an elite QB, but was on the cusp of being considered... His Lins Franc injury played out exactly as my dear friend, CloakNDagger, (aka Doc Jean) predicted.

I wish Matt and his wife all the best, but his NFL career is and has been done.

Sad but true.

Thanks for the good times Matt and all that you gave back to the city. You and your family are a class act. You will always be remembered fondly by me.

BTW, BOB it's about Hammer Time.