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Ed Reed agrees to terms with Texans

panamamyers said:
By the time Andre is eligible, I feel that people will put TD numbers in their rightful place next to RBI numbers in baseball.
Cris Carter gets 5 catches for 42 yards in a game with a 1 yard td and a 3 yard td, while Andre gets 6 catches for 115 yards and two times he gets tackled after the huge catch at the 3 yard line and Arian runs it in on the next play.

TD catches are completely incidental to your ability on the field. In the near future, I have faith that people will come to their senses about that, and we will look back on these times when we held TD numbers in high regard about how we look back on the notion that the earth is the center of the universe.
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There's only one problem with that theory. The stats don't bear it out.

Jerry Rice took 116.2 yards to get a TD over the course of his career. Cris Carter took only 106.9 yards. Terrell Owens took only 104.1 yards. Randy Moss only took 98 yards. Andre Johnson has to get a whopping 200.9 yards to get one TD. He's twice as inefficient at getting TDs as Randy Moss and nearly twice as inefficient as the others I listed. Andre Reed, who isn't in yet, managed to get a TD every 151.7 yards. Tim Brown managed it every 149.3.
 
panamamyers said:
By the time Andre is eligible, I feel that people will put TD numbers in their rightful place next to RBI numbers in baseball.
Cris Carter gets 5 catches for 42 yards in a game with a 1 yard td and a 3 yard td, while Andre gets 6 catches for 115 yards and two times he gets tackled after the huge catch at the 3 yard line and Arian runs it in on the next play.

TD catches are completely incidental to your ability on the field. In the near future, I have faith that people will come to their senses about that, and we will look back on these times when we held TD numbers in high regard about how we look back on the notion that the earth is the center of the universe.
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I completely agree. TDs should be looked at but not the way they are when looking at wrs to get in. There's no reason Andre Reed should still be waiting. The way Andre has impacted multiple games I feel he will wind up in the same situation
 
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He's still under contract I believe so if we were to acquire him it would have to be via trade. That isn't the Texans MO. They never trade for star WR's....their philosophy whether you like it or not is build through the draft. Plus they think Posey and Martin are the future for some odd reason.
 
eriadoc said:
This topic probably deserves its own thread, but I wonder how the cap looks for consistently successful teams. Do they have situations where ~10% of the cap goes to two, three, four guys? Just curious.
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Sure! Manning, Brady, Brees..... And some how Flacco....

I think the modern model, with a few exceptions is the QB's hold the franchise hostage. So you better have a damned good one.
 
It would be awesome if Rick and Gary and Wade were on a press conference stage...they announce it this way:

"We are excited to announce the signing of a great Pro Bowl player we think will help us get to the next level of play....welcome to our team Mr. Ed Reed."

In walks Ed, lots of clapping and handshaking and photos snapping off.

They talk for a bit, give Ed the spotlight for awhile.

Then Rick takes the mic and says this, "Oh by the way, we'd like to announce that we've also signed another player too. Please welcome to the stage Mr. ______." Same routine, giving the 2nd guy time to talk.

Then Rick takes the mic, says "Oh yeah, before we dismiss I'd like to announce ANOTHER free agent signing. Please welcome Mr. ______."

The clapping dies down, and Rick still has the mic and he says "We have made some moves that allowed us to grab these three players. We're surrounding our core with more veteran talent. And we're going to absolutely kill it in the draft, Ray Lewis style. Suckas." Then he drops the mic like it's hot. Boom.

LOL. Bored on a Friday, why not play make-believe for a moment for the fun of it? Three FA signings and Rick putting teams on notice that we still have the draft, too. Would be an epic Friday.
 
bigbrewster2000 said:
Okay people salary cap hell would be if the Texans were 20 or 30 mil over the cap with a bunch of mediocre players on the roster and no real way to bolster our roster not being 10-12 million under the cap with plenty of talent and still at the very least in the ball park of Super Bowl contention.

Here is another thing, we are a contender. Contenders don't normally get used by free agents to bolster a contract somewhere else. Contenders are destination locations for free agents. I can understand some of you guys freaking out about it because the Texans were used before by FA's but not since we became contenders.
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Oh, I don't want Ed Reed here unless he signs a contract that all the rumors out there point to he wouldn't even wipe his bum with.

I think being 10-12 under with all the holes we have to fill that if we took a 4-6 mil (guessing) cap hit for Reed that would be a mistake short terms and a huge mistake long term.
 
A lot more positivity on twitter about a deal getting done with Reed today than there was last night.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Sure! Manning, Brady, Brees..... And some how Flacco....

I think the modern model, with a few exceptions is the QB's hold the franchise hostage. So you better have a damned good one.
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Yep. But what I'm curious about is if you have that QB that you've locked up 10% or more of your salary cap, how many more players can you afford to assign that high a cap number? I think two is even too high, but having four players chewing up 40% of your cap? That's a recipe for failure, IMO.
 
Vinny said:
next year will be year 12 for Reed. I think that in a year they lose Ray Lewis, and Kruger....why create another hole in he defense? They have no S starters if Reed doesn't come back. The Ratbird defense was awful last season.
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It was hurt most of the season- Suggs, Lewis, Ngata, Webb (ACL- missed 8 games and playoffs), Pollard, Reed...

a lot of missed games on the Defensive side.
 
GP said:
It would be awesome if Rick and Gary and Wade were on a press conference stage...they announce it this way:

"We are excited to announce the signing of a great Pro Bowl player we think will help us get to the next level of play....welcome to our team Mr. Ed Reed."

In walks Ed, lots of clapping and handshaking and photos snapping off.

They talk for a bit, give Ed the spotlight for awhile.

Then Rick takes the mic and says this, "Oh by the way, we'd like to announce that we've also signed another player too. Please welcome to the stage Mr. ______." Same routine, giving the 2nd guy time to talk.

Then Rick takes the mic, says "Oh yeah, before we dismiss I'd like to announce ANOTHER free agent signing. Please welcome Mr. ______."

The clapping dies down, and Rick still has the mic and he says "We have made some moves that allowed us to grab these three players. We're surrounding our core with more veteran talent. And we're going to absolutely kill it in the draft, Ray Lewis style. Suckas." Then he drops the mic like it's hot. Boom.

LOL. Bored on a Friday, why not play make-believe for a moment for the fun of it? Three FA signings and Rick putting teams on notice that we still have the draft, too. Would be an epic Friday.
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Then all three of them would start celebrating like Bosh-Wade-LeBron did when they got together....with smoke and everything!
 
I am convinced Ed Reed is still the same player he once was.

I have to believe the reason the Ravens didn't want to re-sign him was because of in house issues. There were rumors the players formed a mutiny earlier in the season led by Pollard and Reed. Makes me think Reed was disrespected by them same way Welker felt about the Patriots FO.
 
Haha well GP accoring to BOP we will be signing Winston, Reed and pollard haha. He says we would all be surprised at what he does. LOL although i would love to sign reed and get Winston back.
 
ASidd_1990 said:
I am convinced Ed Reed is still the same player he once was.

I have to believe the reason the Ravens didn't want to re-sign him was because of in house issues. There were rumors the players formed a mutiny earlier in the season led by Pollard and Reed. Makes me think Reed was disrespected by them same way Welker felt about the Patriots FO.
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Ed has played te "Franchise hasdisrespected me" Card every season since 09
 
Damn Greg Koch on 790 just blasting this move.

Some quotes from him

1) Ed Reed might be a liability at this point
2) Glover Quin is the better player
3) Ed Reed should have retired already
4) Ozzie Newsome, one of best GMs in league wants to get rid of him. He knows something!
5) If you want leadership from a HOF, just sign Dan Marino while you're at it
6) "not excited" when Kalu said everyone's excited about signing Ed Reed
7) Not worth $6 million

Also bet ND Kalu that Reed will be on the IR by Week 8.

Funniest quote which made me SMH : "He's old, slow and eating pudding before he goes to bed at 4pm"
 
ASidd_1990 said:
Damn Greg Koch on 790 just blasting this move.

Some quotes from him

1) Ed Reed might be a liability at this point
2) Glover Quin is the better player
3) Ed Reed should have retired already
4) Ozzie Newsome, one of best GMs in league wants to get rid of him. He knows something!
5) If you want leadership from a HOF, just sign Dan Marino while you're at it
6) "not excited" when Kalu said everyone's excited about signing Ed Reed
7) Not worth $6 million

Also bet ND Kalu that Reed will be on the IR by Week 8.

Funniest quote which made me SMH : "He's old, slow and eating pudding before he goes to bed at 4pm"
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I think I have intimated most of those statements in this thread. Damn, I should have a radio show! :D
 
ASidd_1990 said:
He's still under contract I believe so if we were to acquire him it would have to be via trade. That isn't the Texans MO. They never trade for star WR's....their philosophy whether you like it or not is build through the draft. Plus they think Posey and Martin are the future for some odd reason.
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Got to disagree with you. We got Schaub and Myers via trade. Texans will use all options & remember Boldin cost only a 6th so that groundwork was laid by SF.

Edit: you did say star WR but no one has been available with possibility of low draft pick that Crabtree might take.
 
handswarmer said:
This article says about 15% is devoted to those guys...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9052336/the-joe-flacco-contract-fallout
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Interesting closing remark from that article...
So get used to heartsick caterwauling about roster teardowns (it sounds like Velcro ripping). And get used to seeing quarterbacks continuing to get paid at an out-sized rate. The prevailing wisdom in the NFL right now is you can't win without 'em. And that's true. It's just hard to keep teams together with them.
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Makes me sick. How much will those investments be worth if you can't afford to pay a decent line to protect them or some good receivers to catch their passes??

Things are going in a stupid direction.
 
ASidd_1990 said:
Damn Greg Koch on 790 just blasting this move.

Some quotes from him

1) Ed Reed might be a liability at this point
2) Glover Quin is the better player
3) Ed Reed should have retired already
4) Ozzie Newsome, one of best GMs in league wants to get rid of him. He knows something!
5) If you want leadership from a HOF, just sign Dan Marino while you're at it
6) "not excited" when Kalu said everyone's excited about signing Ed Reed
7) Not worth $6 million

Also bet ND Kalu that Reed will be on the IR by Week 8.

Funniest quote which made me SMH : "He's old, slow and eating pudding before he goes to bed at 4pm"
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What's a Greg Koch?
And is 790 still on the air?
 
ASidd_1990 said:
Damn Greg Koch on 790 just blasting this move.

Some quotes from him

1) Ed Reed might be a liability at this point
2) Glover Quin is the better player
3) Ed Reed should have retired already
4) Ozzie Newsome, one of best GMs in league wants to get rid of him. He knows something!
5) If you want leadership from a HOF, just sign Dan Marino while you're at it
6) "not excited" when Kalu said everyone's excited about signing Ed Reed
7) Not worth $6 million

Also bet ND Kalu that Reed will be on the IR by Week 8.

Funniest quote which made me SMH : "He's old, slow and eating pudding before he goes to bed at 4pm"
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Crazy thought process. Ozzie Newsome, one of the best GMs in the league, has let Kruger, Ellerbe, Reed, Bolden, Pollard & Cory Williams all leave in one off-season. Should every team who signed a player from the Ravens be concerned because Ozzie Newsome let him go?
 
Ryan said:
Since it has taken this long i'm now starting to get the Orlando Pace feeling just a little bit.
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I'm beginning to get the same feeling. If Reed wanted to play here as bad as it was made out to be it would have been announced by now. Unless they are waiting to sign that mysterious player that keeps getting brought up.
 
Vinny said:
Or Marcus Robertson, Jeff Donaldson and Bo Eason. Mike Reinfelt and Vernon Perry....we always had superior S play back in the day. :)
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Man, blasts from the past. I met Bo Eason about ten years ago when he was performing his one-man play, "Runt of the Litter". It was a fantastic performance and was all about his football career. He was always in the shadow of his big brother, so he played with reckless abandon. It was very cool insight to the mind of a defensive football player.
 
Vinny said:
If you splice together the Ahman Green situation with the Orlando Pace situation...that's kind of the feel I get to this whole thing myself. Even if we sign him we will overpay the guy to the point where we will be in a bind soon with Cushing and KJ coming up next season and Watt shortly after that.
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I don't get the Eyore attitude. It's like there is nothing which can be done will be satisfactory. If he leaves we were just being played. If he signs we overpaid.

eriadoc said:
This topic probably deserves its own thread, but I wonder how the cap looks for consistently successful teams. Do they have situations where ~10% of the cap goes to two, three, four guys? Just curious.
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Assuming you mean top cap hit guys the answer is no probably even with two players. Who do you consider consistently successful? Brady is over 10% by himself as are Peyton, Brees, Big Ben, Eli and Rodgers.
 
TexansCountry said:
I'm beginning to get the same feeling. If Reed wanted to play here as bad as it was made out to be it would have been announced by now. Unless they are waiting to sign that mysterious player that keeps getting brought up.
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Most likely they are waiting for the 2nd FA to finalize his deal so they can have a joint press conference with him and Reed at Reliant.

Makes sense since the Rodeo is over.
 
JCTexan said:
Crazy thought process. Ozzie Newsome, one of the best GMs in the league, has let Kruger, Ellerbe, Reed, Bolden, Pollard & Cory Williams all leave in one off-season. Should every team who signed a player from the Ravens be concerned because Ozzie Newsome let him go?
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That's the one point I think people are mistaken on. Ozzie Newsome has been a good GM the last several years, but he's had monetary flexibility from his QB position. This is the first time he's had to tie up a huge amount in one player, and the cuts are following. Going forward, we'll see just how good he really is. I think people are giving him too much credit for past success that doesn't necessarily translate going forward. We'll see.
 
Vinny said:
If you splice together the Ahman Green situation with the Orlando Pace situation...that's kind of the feel I get to this whole thing myself. Even if we sign him we will overpay the guy to the point where we will be in a bind soon with Cushing and KJ coming up next season and Watt shortly after that. I think on the radio I heard that Schaub, AJ, Foster and Daniels will take up 40% of the cap next season. This from a "low cost offensive philosophy".
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This tells me Rick/Olson dont have a clue as to how to manage the cap.
 
ASidd_1990 said:
Damn Greg Koch on 790 just blasting this move.

1) Ed Reed might be a liability at this point
2) Glover Quin is the better player

7) Not worth $6 million
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Never heard of Greg Koch, but...

Quin is better against the run, Reed better in coverage. Both were "middle of the pack" overall in 2012.

I think the number is $7 million, and I would pay that much if I were the Texans.

I don't think Reed missed a game in the last 2 years.

TexansCountry said:
First time posting! I would love to have reed. He brings so much more to the table than quin did. Yes he is up there in age but the guy can still play. I just hope him and Tate stay away from each other in practice lol
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Welcome to TexansTalk!
 
Playoffs said:
Never heard of Greg Koch, but...

Quin is better against the run, Reed better in coverage. Both were "middle of the pack" overall in 2012.

I think the number is $7 million, and I would pay that much if I were the Texans.

I don't think Reed missed a game in the last 2 years.

Welcome to TexansTalk!
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Thanks! Been a huge fan of this forum for awhile now. Extremely happy to be here
 
infantrycak said:
Assuming you mean top cap hit guys the answer is no probably even with two players. Who do you consider consistently successful? Brady is over 10% by himself as are Peyton, Brees, Big Ben, Eli and Rodgers.
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Brady isn't anymore, and hasn't been for a large part of his career. The only reason I pick that nit is because it's central to my point. I think the Patriots were able to spread the cap around a bit and keep their overall talent level up because they had one of the best QBs in the game playing for a very low contract. Back when they were winning Super Bowls and people were bagging on Manning for failing in the playoffs, Manning had a $100M contract, while Brady's was something in the $55Mish range, IIRC. Brady got paid a $100M contract a couple years later. But he just signed a 3yr, $27M extension.

For the second time in his illustrious career, Brady is doing something players in this day and age simply do not do: As he did in 2005, Brady, a league source told SI.com, is signing a contract with New England that will pay him significantly less money than the market will bear, in large part to help the Patriots stay competitive for the next five seasons.

Amazingly, according to the source, the deal is for an eye-poppingly conservative $27 million, which is less than half his worth by any measure.
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Anyway, at first blush, it just seems like the teams that have the highest paid player seldom actually do much. In the Texans' case, it's possible that they soon might have a highly paid QB (though not the highest), just because QBs get a ton of money, the highest paid DL, one of the top 3 highest paid LBers, a very highly paid LT, a very highly paid RB, and a very highly paid WR. That doesn't leave a lot of room for the other highly paid DL, the very highly paid C, or the probably overpaid TE. Nor does it leave a lot of room to resign the guy s that they drafted and coached up, so building through the draft kind of becomes an effort in futility.

And in the end, that doesn't leave a lot of room to pay $6M a year to an old, slow safety.
 
I don't think we should over pay for him, but he does bring the experience, maturity and intelligence that a lot of good player do not have. He may have lost a step, but his slow step is a hell of a lot better than the majority of players out there.
 
eriadoc said:
Burn %: Quin - 48.4%, Reed 55.6%
Yds allwed rec.: Quin - 334, Reed - 457
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I'm not a big metrics guy, but I wonder if that number is somewhat reflective of Reed playing with some pretty suspect corners most of the year last year. Could be a man coverage evaluation though so I'm just throwing caution to the wind regarding those numbers.
 
Grams said:
I don't think we should over pay for him, but he does bring the experience, maturity and intelligence that a lot of good player do not have. He may have lost a step, but his slow step is a hell of a lot better than the majority of players out there.
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Agree. Huff? Ima die hard UT Fan and no don't want him. Woodson? If we signed I would want him as the slot corner not safety
 
Texn4life said:
I'm not a big metrics guy, but I wonder if that number is somewhat reflective of Reed playing with some pretty suspect corners most of the year last year.
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I more or less expressed the same reservations about the numbers myself. You never know how a surrounding cast truly impacts individual numbers. But evidently, there's another metrics type scoring system out there that ranked GQ right about average for the entire year and Ed Reed substantially below average. Both of those combined with my own eye test tell me that GQ is the better player now (even if that's just average) and going forward I expect that to continue.

We're just looking at Ed Reed a few years too late. But also as I said, if they sign him for less than what GQ got paid/what they wanted to pay GQ, then hey, I'm down with it. But I think they're going to overpay.
 
eriadoc said:
Burn %: Quin - 48.4%, Reed 55.6%
Yds allwed rec.: Quin - 334, Reed - 457
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I just know that I done watching the wild card game, the divisional game and half of the CC game, and Reed looked pretty good.
He did miss a tackle, but Pollard was supposed to cut off the outside, and he didn't.

I would say I take Reed over Quin.

Obviously, you'd like to look at the whole body of work; however, with veteran players like Reed, all that matters (to me at least) is money time... What with all the fishy things going in the NFL.

I'd rather have a one-two year deal for less than $6M per.
I might go for 3 if he insists, but not much money up front, and some incentives in the contract (like AJ).

You've got to take a risk sometimes, just don't over-extend yourself, than I would be cool with it.
 
IDEXAN said:
A 10 year NFL Vet and Hall-Of-Fame OT with the GB freaking Packers, what's a
ObsiWan ?
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Some guy you just answered.

And in 11 years Greg Koch made second team All-Pro ONCE, not the Hall of Fame. Big diff.
 
eriadoc said:
I more or less expressed the same reservations about the numbers myself. You never know how a surrounding cast truly impacts individual numbers. But evidently, there's another metrics type scoring system out there that ranked GQ right about average for the entire year and Ed Reed substantially below average. Both of those combined with my own eye test tell me that GQ is the better player now (even if that's just average) and going forward I expect that to continue.

We're just looking at Ed Reed a few years too late. But also as I said, if they sign him for less than what GQ got paid/what they wanted to pay GQ, then hey, I'm down with it. But I think they're going to overpay.
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I think they may have felt GQ was as good as he was going to get possibly. As far as the numbers go, I can't really dispute it much. Reed has always given up big plays. Its just part of the way he plays and he'll give up a few here because he gambles some. I think the FO is betting that his intangible factor far outweighs what GQ would bring to the table. GP said it pretty well last night. Its going to be boom or bust.
 
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