Kubiaks Demise.

[Marcus]

I fully understand I'm outnumbered 50-1 around here, but that makes no difference to me, because I think all this Kubiak bashing is totally irrational.

It was not Kubiak's fault that they lost yesterday. Funny how it took 24 hours before "some" of you started realizing that.

And because I disagree with the sentiment around here, I'm Kubiak's "boyfriend" or whatever.

Kubiak's demise . . .

 

[Lucky]

It was not Kubiak's fault that they lost yesterday.

When has it ever been Kubiak's fault, Marcus? No one is more consistent in defense of Kubiak than you. If you believe that he did an adequate job in preparing this team to win on Sunday, you're looking at a different game than I am.

This team is a rudderless ship. We finally have a leader on defense (Phillips), but that's not enough. Maybe, just maybe this team backs into a playoff spot in the weakest division in the AFC. But they will get there in spite of Gary Kubiak. Not because of him.

 

[EllisUnit]

I fully understand I'm outnumbered 50-1 around here, but that makes no difference to me, because I think all this Kubiak bashing is totally irrational.

It was not Kubiak's fault that they lost yesterday. Funny how it took 24 hours before "some" of you started realizing that.

And because I disagree with the sentiment around here, I'm Kubiak's "boyfriend" or whatever.

Kubiak's demise . . .

Its not that you dont think any of the losses are kubiaks fault, its just how you talk to people. Like you know best and everyone else is just dumb as hell and is always wrong. Can you even juggle the thought of "thinking" about even one loss being Kubiaks ? ASK anyone here i have ALWAYS supported kubiak and often times looked stupid when i did.

I still believe Kubiak can be a good head coach BUT he needs to make some personal changes and grow a pair. When i say Kubiaks demise i simply mean all these things will be the fall of his coaching career in houston IF he dont fix them.

 

[Marcus]

When has it ever been Kubiak's fault, Marcus? No one is more consistent in defense of Kubiak than you. If you believe that he did an adequate job in preparing this team to win on Sunday, you're looking at a different game than I am.

This team is a rudderless ship. We finally have a leader on defense (Phillips), but that's not enough. Maybe, just maybe this team backs into a playoff spot in the weakest division in the AFC. But they will get there in spite of Gary Kubiak. Not because of him.

Explain to me how he didn't do an adequate in preparing this team to win, Lucky. I got the game on tape. Give me specifics, so I can go back to that part of the game, and see what it is that you're referring to.

 

[Lucky]

Explain to me how he didn't do an adequate in preparing this team to win, Lucky. I got the game on tape. Give me specifics, so I can go back to that part of the game, and see what it is that you're referring to.

* No answer to what the Raider were doing up front to stop the run.

* No answer to clearing or creating passing lanes for Schaub to throw in.

* Another horrible job of clock management in the 4th quarter, allowing the offense to huddle on their 5 minute FG drive.

* Not instructing Schaub that he had to prepare for 2 plays at the end of the game.

I'm not even getting into the special teams blunders. We know he's not responsible for that, right? Accomplish any of the 4 items above, and the Texans likely win against an inferior opponent at home (by the skin of their teeth). But he doesn't. The Texans failed. And your boy Kubiak failed. Again.

 

[EllisUnit]

* No answer to what the Raider were doing up front to stop the run.

* No answer to clearing or creating passing lanes for Schaub to throw in.

* Another horrible job of clock management in the 4th quarter, allowing the offense to huddle on their 5 minute FG drive.

* Not instructing Schaub that he had to prepare for 2 plays at the end of the game.

I'm not even getting into the special teams blunders. We know he's not responsible for that, right? Accomplish any of the 4 items above, and the Texans likely win against an inferior opponent at home (by the skin of their teeth). But he doesn't. The Texans failed. And your boy Kubiak failed. Again.

Not kicking a FG when we have it on the opponents 37 yard line and punting instead. Good call, NOT

 

[Dishman]

Kubiak's defense has always been "Well, he took over a terrible team and had to re-build. They were 2-14."

Fine, but, it doesn't get much worse than 0-16, folks. The Lions were TERRIBLE a few years ago.

The way the NFL is structured now, it takes three, maybe four, years to re-build a team. And if a team is REALLY bad, I'll give them a longer leash, and say four, maybe five years.

Technically, the Lions shouldn't be as good as their are. But, they are.

Meanwhile, we wait.

Even worse, we took their castoff craptastic in as our own backup and he manages to stick around for more than 1 season at a suspect salary.

 

[ObsiWan]

Cowher in 2012.. make it happen..

We already have the defense he wanted ...

One thing though ... he's on the HOF ballot for this year. They don't get voted in if there's a chance they could still coach.

Wonder what's more important to him? A yellow jacket or another ring?

He's got a "all world legacy" with the Steelers; why would he come out of retirement to risk that?

He won't come here. You're hitching your wagon to the wrong star.

 

[thunderkyss]

* No answer to what the Raider were doing up front to stop the run.

The Raiders had no answer either. They won the game, so obviously this "answer" isn't really all that important.

* No answer to clearing or creating passing lanes for Schaub to throw in.

I thought he finished with 416 yards. Did he do that in a bubble?

* Another horrible job of clock management in the 4th quarter, allowing the offense to huddle on their 5 minute FG drive.

They huddled?!! :gasp:

* Not instructing Schaub that he had to prepare for 2 plays at the end of the game.

How do we know he didn't send two plays in? How do we know those weren't his exact instructions?

I'm not even getting into the special teams blunders. We know he's not responsible for that, right? Accomplish any of the 4 items above, and the Texans likely win against an inferior opponent at home (by the skin of their teeth). But he doesn't. The Texans failed. And your boy Kubiak failed. Again.

I think Kubiak screwed up by not planning on taking advantage of their 4th string CB..... we should have beat that drum all day long.

We're in week five & the true blocking fullback has seen the field what... 5 times? We run the clock out against the Colts, Miami, & Pittsburgh & we can't get Vickers on the field until that play is called?

I Blame Kubiak for not figuring out why Matt struggles to get started... this goes back to last year.

Rolando McClain was in & out of the game, was there no way for us to take advantage of that?

4th & 2 on their 37 after they've shown no ability to move the ball whatsover..... we don't go for the field goal.. we don't go for it.. we punt?????? What I'd have much rather seen a fake punt there.

We finish the 1st half with 42 yards on 12 carries. How in the hell you going to come out in the second half.... run, run, pass.... really??

Dressen/Daniels had an excellent first half.... what happened to them in the second?

None of those speak to the Texans' preparedness for the game, I think they were prepared... they just didn't adjust.

 

[ObsiWan]

Not kicking a FG when we have it on the opponents 37 yard line and punting instead. Good call, NOT

That would have been a 55-56 yd FG. Do you really think that Rackers is dependable from that far out? I don't really think so.

 

[Texan_Bill]

LMFAO!!! @ all the "doom and gloom""!!! Some of y'all should do yourselves a favor and refrain from posting for a minimum of 24 hours after a game...



LOVE IT!!! !!!

 

[gary]

Kubiak supporters, if the Texans finish 8-8 or worse would he still have support with all of you?

 

[Lucky]

I thought he finished with 416 yards. Did he do that in a bubble?

That shows how meaningless yards passing has become in the NFL. Schaub threw passes in the game, completing less than 50%. I can't believe anyone who actually watched the game would believe the passing game was on. The seven tipped passes (yes, 7) were costly. One, turned into 3 points for the Raiders.

 

[thunderkyss]

That shows how meaningless yards passing has become in the NFL. Schaub threw passes in the game, completing less than 50%. I can't believe anyone who actually watched the game would believe the passing game was on. The seven tipped passes (yes, 7) were costly. One, turned into 3 points for the Raiders.

You said Kubiak couldn't figure out how to open up the passing lanes.

The man threw for 416 yards.

There were 7 tipped passes, but he found a way to open up at least a few lanes for 416 yards. 116 for Foster, I'll give you those & say they were all behind the LOS, that still leaves 300 yards where lanes were open enough for throwing.

 

[TheMatrix31]

All the Texans fans bitching about Kubiak and upper management should take a look at tonight's Bears game, Lovie Smith, and Jerry Angelo.

Yeesh.

And, just like it's a union card check or something, let it be known that I'm not very much a Kubiak supporter anymore. But just because I don't care for his game management doesn't mean I'm going to blame every single little thing on him no matter what.

 

[Hervoyel]

I fully understand I'm outnumbered 50-1 around here, but that makes no difference to me, because I think all this Kubiak bashing is totally irrational.

It was not Kubiak's fault that they lost yesterday. Funny how it took 24 hours before "some" of you started realizing that.

And because I disagree with the sentiment around here, I'm Kubiak's "boyfriend" or whatever.

Kubiak's demise . . .

To be honest, I'm pretty sure you get off on it.

It's Kubiak's fault that "they are what they are". He's been the head coach for 6 years. Everything you see out there comes from Gary Kubiak to one degree or another. He's perpetually five games short of .500 and can't explain why things didn't work today..... and he never will.

 

[Texecutioner]

All the Texans fans bitching about Kubiak and upper management should take a look at tonight's Bears game, Lovie Smith, and Jerry Angelo.

Yeesh.

And, just like it's a union card check or something, let it be known that I'm not very much a Kubiak supporter anymore. But just because I don't care for his game management doesn't mean I'm going to blame every single little thing on him no matter what.

Are you honestly using a HC that just came off of an NFC championship game and has been to a SB before as some sort of example to suggest that the Kubiak regime hasn't been that bad?? Really??

How about looking at the other team that is playing tonight which is the Detroit Lions who are another team that have turned around faster than we have and this time it's the Lions. The Lions. The Lions. I'll say it one more time. The Lions.

 

[TheMatrix31]

I knew that was going to be the response.

I shouldn't have said anything.

I willingly banned myself from the political forum. Might just ban myself from the football forum outside of gamethreads.

In-sufferable.

 

[bo orlando]

* No answer to what the Raider were doing up front to stop the run.

* No answer to clearing or creating passing lanes for Schaub to throw in.

* Another horrible job of clock management in the 4th quarter, allowing the offense to huddle on their 5 minute FG drive.

* Not instructing Schaub that he had to prepare for 2 plays at the end of the game.

I'm not even getting into the special teams blunders. We know he's not responsible for that, right? Accomplish any of the 4 items above, and the Texans likely win against an inferior opponent at home (by the skin of their teeth). But he doesn't. The Texans failed. And your boy Kubiak failed. Again.

Raiders were loading up to stop the run, so Kubiak started going to lots of play-action and bootlegs. Raiders stayed disciplined, blowing up several bootlegs, and Texans had trouble blocking the D-line, resulting in lots of hurries and tipped passes. Raiders covered the tight ends close, and seemed to have a man tight on Foster every time he split the pocket. Receivers seemed open, but Jacoby ran terrible routes and the other ones just aren't very good.

Sometimes you just lose. It doesn't always have to be somebody's "fault."

 

[Bull Pen 1]

So was it his fault when we executed in three wins this year? I'm not absolving him of blame. His playcalling was terrible today. But it was a shortened playbook, since the best WR in football was out. I know, I know, it's Kubiak's and management's fault for no offensive depth.

Look at the Texans in weeks 5-8 for the last 2 years. 0-4 each of those years.

 

[Texecutioner]

I knew that was going to be the response.

I shouldn't have said anything.

I willingly banned myself from the political forum. Might just ban myself from the football forum outside of gamethreads.

In-sufferable.

Which ought to have told you that it wasn't an intelligent thing to use as an example to defend this current regime that continues to pale in mediocrity. Lovie Smith has gone deep in the playoffs at least twice and been there several times now including last season where they weren't all that good, but found a way to over achieve and go further than they should have. I don't think the Texans will be as bad as many are suggesting right now, but it really doesn't matter to me what they do. The last 5 years were evidence enough to know that Kubiak will always give us reasons to question his leadership.

 

[Lucky]

Sometimes you just lose.

Sometimes. Usually about 8 times a season under Kubiak.

 

[houstonspartan]

I knew that was going to be the response.

I shouldn't have said anything.

I willingly banned myself from the political forum. Might just ban myself from the football forum outside of gamethreads.

In-sufferable.

The minute you compared Gary Kubiak to a coach that has been to the Super Bowl you pretty much **** and stepped your foot in it.

 

[Lucky]

Look at the Texans in weeks 5-8 for the last 2 years. 0-4 each of those years.

Not exactly weeks 5-8, but you're right that the Texans have suffered a 4 game losing streak the past 3 years that wrecked the season. Are the Texans staring into the abyss of another 4 game losing streak? It's just as possible as those who see the Texans finishing 11-5/12-4.

 

[noxiousdog]

(especially predictable in the second half with Kubiak teams)

Except last year?

 

[noxiousdog]

How about looking at the other team that is playing tonight which is the Detroit Lions who are another team that have turned around faster than we have and this time it's the Lions. The Lions. The Lions. I'll say it one more time. The Lions.

It's still early, but they haven't turned it around faster. They hadn't won 7 games since 2000. And they are another Stafford injury from missing the playoffs again.

 

[Dishman]

It's still early, but they haven't turned it around faster. They hadn't won 7 games since 2000. And they are another Stafford injury from missing the playoffs again.

When you consider that the Texans have yet to turn around at all, the, yes, the Lions are making us look pretty bad. We've had zero to be proud of for a decade.

 

[Texan_Bill]

It's still early, but they haven't turned it around faster. They hadn't won 7 games since 2000. And they are another Stafford injury from missing the playoffs again.

42-107 (including this years 5-0 start) over the last 10 years.

 

[Runner]

It's still early, but they haven't turned it around faster. They hadn't won 7 games since 2000. And they are another Stafford injury from missing the playoffs again.

If the Texans incrementally improve from 8-8 to 8-8 it's time to celebrate. If the Texans go 9-7 it's a fantastic accomplishment. Texans fans remember where they were the first time the team won three in a row.

If another perennial loser goes 5-0 and looks good doing it, it's nothing.

Taking the Texan colored glasses off and looking around the league might be an informative experience. It certainly might lead to less myopic discussions around here.

 

[silvrhand]

Go back and look at how MANY QBS and COACHES who were terrible that have won super bowls. And why because of defense. They are competent enough to win us a Superbowl, they just arent good enough to do it alone.

Kubiak played his entire career for the Broncos as a backup for Elway

So if you are a NFL QB and you are backup for John Elway, do you just sit there ok with it or do you try to get traded to another team to make a start? Me, I'm looking to get traded cause I know that was the only way I would get a shot.

Sorry, again I think Gary is a great coordinator, not a great coach. He's still making huge mistakes that he shouldn't be making at this point in his career.

 

[thunderkyss]

When you consider that the Texans have yet to turn around at all, the, yes, the Lions are making us look pretty bad. We've had zero to be proud of for a decade.

I guarantee you no one would be "proud" of the Texans if we beat

Tampa Bay
Kansas City
Minnesota
Dallas
Chicago

Those are quality wins for the Lions, but not for us. Each win would get picked apart for one reason or another.... We were down 24 points to the Cowboys in the first half... weren't prepared for the first half, and were one play away from losing.

Jamal Charles got hurt on the second carry of the game.

McNabb ain't what he used to be.

etc.. etc.. etc...

 

[thunderkyss]

If the Texans incrementally improve from 8-8 to 8-8 it's time to celebrate. If the Texans go 9-7 it's a fantastic accomplishment. Texans fans remember where they were the first time the team won three in a row.

You got any pictures from this celebration? I think you guys go out of your way to misrepresent what actually happened there. Everyone here was happy the first time we went 8-8, we expected to be better, but it was what it was & yes, we accepted it. The freak'n Raiders go 8-8 for the first time in how long & they're allowed to celebrate, but we aren't.

The second time, we're still expecting better but it was what it was. Nothing to celebrate about, but nothing to pull your hair out over either.

9-7 was acknowledged as an accomplishment, something this franchise never did. You guys act like there was a parade down Kirby or champagne in the locker room. Were they excited in the locker room, yes & there should have been. For the first time, the season was over & we were still in the hunt. We needed help, but there was hope.

If another perennial loser goes 5-0 and looks good doing it, it's nothing.

Nobody cares how we look playing the Dolphins, the Steelers or the hapless Colts. Those wins are picked apart & excused as if they were no accomplishments at all.

Taking the Texan colored glasses off and looking around the league might be an informative experience. It certainly might lead to less myopic discussions around here.

I agree. We all hold the Texans to a higher standard with reason. But it goes both ways. Super Bowl winning coaches screw up, botch calls, screw the challenge & it's ok... it's understandable that they aren't perfect (I know Andy Reid hasn't won a Super Bowl, but let's put him in this group as well). We expect our coach to be perfect because he doesn't have any accomplishments. That just don't make sense.

The guys who have competed at a high level make mistakes... Kubiak has to be perfect.... just don't make sense.

 

[Vinny]

I agree. We all hold the Texans to a higher standard with reason. But it goes both ways. Super Bowl winning coaches screw up, botch calls, screw the challenge & it's ok... it's understandable that they aren't perfect (I know Andy Reid hasn't won a Super Bowl, but let's put him in this group as well). We expect our coach to be perfect because he doesn't have any accomplishments. That just don't make sense.

The guys who have competed at a high level make mistakes... Kubiak has to be perfect.... just don't make sense.

higher standard? Sure we hold him to a higher standard than mediocre. We don't need him to be perfect...we just don't want mediocre.

 

[Runner]

I think you guys go out of your way to misrepresent what actually happened there.

...

You guys act like there was a parade down Kirby or champagne in the locker room.

TK says I misrepresent. With such an endorsement from an expert, I'm thinking of turning pro as a misrepresenter.


For the record, I was talking about the fans celebrating mediocrity. I have no doubt the players know they haven't accomplished much.

 

[gary]

Don't these debates about Kubiak ever get tired some and old? Just let things be the way they are.

 

[Vinny]

Don't these debates about Kubiak ever get tired some and old? Just let things be the way they are.

These debates will never end as long as Kubiak puts out a mediocre product. This is what 6 years of .500 looks like...

 

[Texecutioner]

Don't these debates about Kubiak ever get tired some and old? Just let things be the way they are.

So it shouldn't matter what this football team ever does?? We should all just accept who the current coach is no matter what the results are and just let them be what they are and be happy regardless of those results? Winning a SB is an important goal to some fans.

 

[Double Barrel]

If the Texans incrementally improve from 8-8 to 8-8 it's time to celebrate. If the Texans go 9-7 it's a fantastic accomplishment. Texans fans remember where they were the first time the team won three in a row.

If another perennial loser goes 5-0 and looks good doing it, it's nothing.

Taking the Texan colored glasses off and looking around the league might be an informative experience. It certainly might lead to less myopic discussions around here.

Myopic is a word that should be in vogue these days.

So it shouldn't matter what this football team ever does?? We should all just accept who the current coach is no matter what the results are and just let them be what they are and be happy regardless of those results? Winning a SB is an important goal to some fans.

C'mon, Tex, get with the program!

 

[gary]

So it shouldn't matter what this football team ever does?? We should all just accept who the current coach is no matter what the results are and just let them be what they are and be happy regardless of those results? Winning a SB is an important goal to some fans.

Not at all. But, what am I going to do to change anything?

 

[80tothezone]

So it shouldn't matter what this football team ever does?? We should all just accept who the current coach is no matter what the results are and just let them be what they are and be happy regardless of those results? Winning a SB is an important goal to some fans.

the results aren't in yet maybe week 12 if we go 5-7 again there is something to say but we a looooooong way from being 5-7 actually we 5 losses from it. Tough loss last week tough game this week but we still leading the devision and got lots of football to play.

 

[Dishman]

I guarantee you no one would be "proud" of the Texans if we beat

Tampa Bay
Kansas City
Minnesota
Dallas
Chicago

Those are quality wins for the Lions, but not for us. Each win would get picked apart for one reason or another.... We were down 24 points to the Cowboys in the first half... weren't prepared for the first half, and were one play away from losing.

Jamal Charles got hurt on the second carry of the game.

McNabb ain't what he used to be.

etc.. etc.. etc...

You do realize that the Texans going 5-0 to start the season would be quite the accomplishment, right? We'd have to go on a 7 game losing streak to reach our traditional 12 game 5-7 start. The best the Texans have ever mustered were two 4 game winning streaks and it took them forever to get there. I'm really not sure how you, much less anyone else, can sit here and defend any bit of this organization. They've picked up some talent, but outside of a few players the franchise is riddled with incompetent goons from top to bottom. How else do you explain away the decade of absolute futility? At some point the Lions started cleaning house and you have to wonder if the Texans will ever do the same.

I worry that this team backs in to the playoffs with an 8-8 record or worse, gets punked in the first playoff game for the franchise, and the McNair immediately re-ups Kubiak's contract as if we've made any sort of progression. Even at 9-7 I would still consider the season a huge letdown based on all of the changes. There are injuries, but in reality injuries are a part of the game which every team deals with to some degree. How this team is positioned to step up and arise to the ocassion when injuries occur speaks to how the front office and coaching staff have prepared this team. I have no reason to believe this team won't fold up like a tent and close shop based on the attitudes up top.

 

[Thorn]

Even without AJ and Mario this team should still be able to finish with a 10-6 record. Without AJ and Mario a good coach has enough talent on this team to get 10 wins given the state of our division and our remaining schedule.

The question at hand, is our head coach up to that?

 

[DexmanC]

Even without AJ and Mario this team should still be able to finish with a 10-6 record. Without AJ and Mario a good coach has enough talent on this team to get 10 wins given the state of our division and our remaining schedule.

The question at hand, is our head coach up to that?

Would you kick Beyonce and Stacy Dash out of the bed for eating
potato chips?

 

[Thorn]

Would you kick Beyonce and Stacy Dash out of the bed for eating
potato chips?

That's a loaded question there Dexman. At my age, if they are still breathing......

well, you know the answer to that.

 

[DexmanC]

I guarantee you no one would be "proud" of the Texans if we beat

Tampa Bay
Kansas City
Minnesota
Dallas
Chicago

Those are quality wins for the Lions, but not for us. Each win would get picked apart for one reason or another.... We were down 24 points to the Cowboys in the first half... weren't prepared for the first half, and were one play away from losing.

Jamal Charles got hurt on the second carry of the game.

McNabb ain't what he used to be.

Those are quality wins for the Lions, because two of them
were division wins, and four were conference wins. So that's
5-0 overall, 2-0, in division and 4-0 on conference. I WISH
Kubiak could put up a ledger like that, but a young coordinator
who took over a squad worse than what Kubiak inherited,
has already accomplished more in 1.5 seasons than Kubiak
has in over 5 seasons. You've asked me to remain faithful in
a regime that has not presented any tangible success whatsoever.

Other teams are putting up wins. All Kubiak has to show is
5+ years of excuses.

 

[thunderkyss]

Those are quality wins for the Lions, because two of them
were division wins, and four were conference wins. So that's
5-0 overall, 2-0, in division and 4-0 on conference. I WISH
Kubiak could put up a ledger like that, but a young coordinator
who took over a squad worse than what Kubiak inherited,
has already accomplished more in 1.5 seasons than Kubiak
has in over 5 seasons. You've asked me to remain faithful in
a regime that has not presented any tangible success whatsoever.

Other teams are putting up wins. All Kubiak has to show is
5+ years of excuses.

I've asked you no such thing, I don't have any faith in Kubiak or his regime. All I've ever asked is that you stop beating that incessant drum... & the point with that post, was nothing about Kubiak, it was about you. If the Texans had that same 5-0 record against those same teams you'd find some way to belittle it.

We beat the 0-5 Colts... doesn't make a **** to you that it was a division game.. none. The Colts aren't the same without Manning.... you just suck the joy out of that win... never mind that the Vikings is worse than the bad team they fielded last year.

That's a quality win for Detroit, so is the win against the 1-4 Chiefs..... we wouldn't be afforded half a second to enjoy that victory without you reminding us how worthless of a win that is...... that it's not a quality win.

What's the Lions W-L against winning teams on the road since 2002?

Look at the way they beat the Cowboys, they were dominated in that first half & Romo'd their way to a victory. If that was us, you'd be telling us how lucky we were.

Look, I don't give a **** about Gary Kubiak. All I want is to be able to enjoy a win when we win, sympathize with my fellow fans when we lose, & enjoy the freak'n season without reading the same drivel week in & week out.

 

[Hervoyel]

I've asked you no such thing, I don't have any faith in Kubiak or his regime. All I've ever asked is that you stop beating that incessant drum... & the point with that post, was nothing about Kubiak, it was about you. If the Texans had that same 5-0 record against those same teams you'd find some way to belittle it.

We beat the 0-5 Colts... doesn't make a **** to you that it was a division game.. none. The Colts aren't the same without Manning.... you just suck the joy out of that win... never mind that the Vikings is worse than the bad team they fielded last year.

That's a quality win for Detroit, so is the win against the 1-4 Chiefs..... we wouldn't be afforded half a second to enjoy that victory without you reminding us how worthless of a win that is...... that it's not a quality win.

What's the Lions W-L against winning teams on the road since 2002?

Look at the way they beat the Cowboys, they were dominated in that first half & Romo'd their way to a victory. If that was us, you'd be telling us how lucky we were.

Look, I don't give a **** about Gary Kubiak. All I want is to be able to enjoy a win when we win, sympathize with my fellow fans when we lose, & enjoy the freak'n season without reading the same drivel week in & week out.

(emphasis mine). Without meaning to put anything at all between the lines here "Perhaps internet message boards are not for you?"

 

[thunderkyss]

(emphasis mine). Without meaning to put anything at all between the lines here "Perhaps internet message boards are not for you?"

I'll have to look into that.

 

[ObsiWan]

Are you honestly using a HC that just came off of an NFC championship game and has been to a SB before as some sort of example to suggest that the Kubiak regime hasn't been that bad?? Really??

How about looking at the other team that is playing tonight which is the Detroit Lions who are another team that have turned around faster than we have and this time it's the Lions. The Lions. The Lions. I'll say it one more time. The Lions.

When did you decide to start your clock, yesterday?

How about we go back five years during which time they totally sucked.
take a look at what kind of picks they had during the last five years....

2011 (5-0 ...so far) - One 1st and Two 2nd rd picks
2010 (6-10) - TWO 1st rd picks (Ndamukong Suh and Jahvid Best) and one 3rd (no 2nd rd pick)
2009 (2-14) - Two 1st rd picks (Matt Stafford & TE/Brandon Pettigrew); a 2nd (CB/Louis Delmas); and TWO 3rds.
2008 (0-16) - One 1st (G. Cherilus - I think this is when we got Duane Brown); a 2nd, and three 3rd round picks.
2007 (7-9) - One 1st (Megatron) and three 2nds (one was Drew Stanton)

Now that's TWENTY first day picks (or what used to be first day until they stretched the draft out for damned ratings)

Don't you think you could turn a team around with that many quality picks available to you. And once they got rid of Millen, they started drafting quality players with those picks (although Millen did draft Cherilus and Megatron so he didn't whiff on all his picks).

Twenty first day picks in five years. And I didn't count the second day picks where one might find an occasional steal.

Oh yeah, the Lions turned it around just this year.

 

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Well to me it looks like Sith and Kubiak are very serious about keeping their jobs, When else have we added a free agent who could truly help us. Hell with Mason and AJ on the field together, this will easily be the most talented WR group we have ever had. Good for them