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Kubiaks Demise.

I am done calling for anyone to go it just does not do any good to beat a broken bush.

i agree....i'm not calling for kubiaks head.

I just dont see how you punt the ball when your on the opponents 37 yard line and then attempt a 54 yarder. Saw the same thing last season against the redskins in overtime. We had a chance to win with the ball on the 39 yard line and he punts.
 
i agree....i'm not calling for kubiaks head.

I just dont see how you punt the ball when your on the opponents 37 yard line and then attempt a 54 yarder. Saw the same thing last season against the redskins in overtime. We had a chance to win with the ball on the 39 yard line and he punts.

That would of been a 55 yarder in Washington. What was the wind doing?

bye the way, we won that game.
 
That would of been a 55 yarder in Washington. What was the wind doing?

bye the way, we won that game.

yeah but come on the way our defense was playing, and remeber the kicker for the skins made the first attempt we called time out and he missed the 2nd.
 
i agree....i'm not calling for kubiaks head.

I just dont see how you punt the ball when your on the opponents 37 yard line and then attempt a 54 yarder. Saw the same thing last season against the redskins in overtime. We had a chance to win with the ball on the 39 yard line and he punts.
Just the beautiful work of Gary Kubiak.
 
yeah but come on the way our defense was playing, and remeber the kicker for the skins made the first attempt we called time out and he missed the 2nd.

You got a point about our defense.:shades: I would'nt of punted the ball more than three or four times all last year.
 
i agree....i'm not calling for kubiaks head.

I just dont see how you punt the ball when your on the opponents 37 yard line and then attempt a 54 yarder. Saw the same thing last season against the redskins in overtime. We had a chance to win with the ball on the 39 yard line and he punts.

Wins/Losses have proven NOT to be an accurate barometer when
assessing whether Kubiak stays or goes. I said he should've
been fired 2 years ago (the 9-7 year.) But I'll just continue to watch
and take note.
 
Wins/Losses have proven NOT to be an accurate barometer when
assessing whether Kubiak stays or goes. I said he should've
been fired 2 years ago (the 9-7 year.) But I'll just continue to watch
and take note.

I work in sales, with a quota every month. If I failed to meet my quota and do the job they are paying me to do, I wouldn't have lasted six months let alone six years.

How do others (and I'm looking at you McNair) not see that he was hired to do a job and has failed. Consecutively.
 
I work in sales, with a quota every month. If I failed to meet my quota and do the job they are paying me to do, I wouldn't have lasted six months let alone six years.

How do others (and I'm looking at you McNair) not see that he was hired to do a job and has failed. Consecutively.


EXACTLY!

Rep +1
 
But teh coaches are calling the dreaded

Run run Pass in teh 3rd qtr

All week long they say stay on sechudle and avoid 3rd and long WELL THEY ARE ALWAYS IN 3rd in long !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look back Run, run, pass" started in first half.

"Another problem and the one that may/will cost us games is the way the coaching staff calls the game. If we were in a race, this staff would slow down if we were ahead and only would run as hard as they could if they were behind. The talent level in the NFL is too close to not try your hardest all the time."

I posted the above in Jan 2010. Nothing has changed. Kubiak has said all he wants is a chance to win in the 4th quarter. That is the WRONG goal. Based on his desire of " just wanting a chance" to win leads you to a final record of around 50% or 8-8 surprise just where Kubiak ends up every rear. If you just have a chance to win in the 4th then you win some you lose some and end up at 50%.

Kubiak gives up way to many offensive series playing it conservative. Now that we have a defense it will become evident to all.

Sad thing is I am not too sure he will change. Is it a lack on confidence in Schaub's judgement that causes him to be this way or his twisted sense of how to win a game.
 
Look back Run, run, pass" started in first half.

"Another problem and the one that may/will cost us games is the way the coaching staff calls the game. If we were in a race, this staff would slow down if we were ahead and only would run as hard as they could if they were behind. The talent level in the NFL is too close to not try your hardest all the time."

I posted the above in Jan 2010. Nothing has changed. Kubiak has said all he wants is a chance to win in the 4th quarter. That is the WRONG goal. Based on his desire of " just wanting a chance" to win leads you to a final record of around 50% or 8-8 surprise just where Kubiak ends up every rear. If you just have a chance to win in the 4th then you win some you lose some and end up at 50%.

Kubiak gives up way to many offensive series playing it conservative. Now that we have a defense it will become evident to all.

Sad thing is I am not too sure he will change. Is it a lack on confidence in Schaub's judgement that causes him to be this way or his twisted sense of how to win a game.

actually to start the game we had 3 consecutive passes, and on the next drive our first play was a pass.
 
I work in sales, with a quota every month. If I failed to meet my quota and do the job they are paying me to do, I wouldn't have lasted six months let alone six years.

How do others (and I'm looking at you McNair) not see that he was hired to do a job and has failed. Consecutively.

To add to that: this guy has had four offensive coordinators, three defensive coordinators, two quarterbacks and hundreds of millions of dollars spent on staff, coaches and players.
 
Look at the play selection when we got the lead.

i know this we always change up what is working when we got the lead, but thats not what i was referring to. Look at the play selection in the first, run, run, pass. When infact it was the other way around.
 
Yeah, but that could be any team...see Colts

BUT how many QBs in the NFL are as good as peyton, that team has been getting old and losing talent for a while. Manning is just good enough to make them all look good. If they draft Luck that still wont be enough to adress all the weaknesses they have.
 
i dont think its talent, they are one QB injury away from going 0-11 the rest of the season.

Doubtful

They won 4 in a row with the famous duo of Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton at QB to end last yr.

How many do you think the Texans would win with Lienhart at QB? If you think Gary is conservative now imagine the offense with Lienhart at QB.
 
Doubtful

They won 4 in a row with the famous duo of Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton at QB to end last yr.

How many do you think the Texans would win with Lienhart at QB? If you think Gary is conservative now imagine the offense with Lienhart at QB.

ok and what was their overall record ???? They have had stafford for 3 years and this is his first healthy season you dont think thats a coinsidence ?
 
While we're all wanting Kubiak fired, let's remember that we beat Pittsburgh last week....and they just STOMPED the Titans.

This.

Every team wins.. every team loses. The good teams come back next week & stomp a hole in somebody's ass.

Let's see what we do next week.
 
Cowher in 2012.. make it happen..

We already have the defense he wanted ...

One thing though ... he's on the HOF ballot for this year. They don't get voted in if there's a chance they could still coach.

Wonder what's more important to him? A yellow jacket or another ring?
 
This.

Every team wins.. every team loses. The good teams come back next week & stomp a hole in somebody's ass.

Let's see what we do next week.

Yep. Next week is always the game that counts for this team. The big losses are just opportunities to show what they are made of next week.
 
We already have the defense he wanted ...

One thing though ... he's on the HOF ballot for this year. They don't get voted in if there's a chance they could still coach.

Wonder what's more important to him? A yellow jacket or another ring?

He wont get in this year. But come on people, we all KNOW this gig is Wade's when/if Kubiak gets canned.

Death, taxes and the Texans having a marshmallow for a HC.
 
He wont get in this year. But come on people, we all KNOW this gig is Wade's when/if Kubiak gets canned.
Can this happen before the season is blown?

Yep. Next week is always the game that counts for this team. The big losses are just opportunities to show what they are made of next week.
"Let's see what happens next week/year" is the Texans motivational slogan.

"Just win, baby" - Al Davis

"We're on the right track" - Bob McNair
 
ok and what was their overall record ???? They have had stafford for 3 years and this is his first healthy season you dont think thats a coinsidence ?

No I dont think it's a coincidence.

I was just proving the fallacy in your previous post.

Do you think the Texans could win 4 games in a row with Gary at HC and Lienhart at QB? I'm not sure right now they could win 4 in a row with Schaub and without AJ.
 
Can this happen before the season is blown?


"Let's see what happens next week/year" is the Texans motivational slogan.

"Just win, baby" - Al Davis

"We're on the right track" - Bob McNair



Why not? Wade wouldnt change anything but maybe tell Dennison to be more aggressive. Give Rick a shot to call the plays.

lol @ the team motto comment.
 
Doubtful

They won 4 in a row with the famous duo of Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton at QB to end last yr.

How many do you think the Texans would win with Lienhart at QB? If you think Gary is conservative now imagine the offense with Lienhart at QB.

I'd be interested in taking a look at the Texans with Leinart starting. I understand that he's no upgrade to Schaub as far as arm strength is concerned but I'd like to see what his decision making looks like and not just while playing with a bunch of second and third string guys in a preseason game.

Seriously, I'd just like to know if he's ready to live up to all that "potential" he's supposed to have.
 
I'd be interested in taking a look at the Texans with Leinart starting. I understand that he's no upgrade to Schaub as far as arm strength is concerned but I'd like to see what his decision making looks like and not just while playing with a bunch of second and third string guys in a preseason game.

Seriously, I'd just like to know if he's ready to live up to all that "potential" he's supposed to have.

Would still be conceding the season and as pissed as I am right now I refuse to do that. Now if our O line plays next week like they did today Mr Lewis & Co. may just kill him and we will find out.
 
I don't think it's that he can't coach an offense per se. I think it's a matter of ripping out all the higher risk/higher reward plays from the playbook when "nursing" a second half lead. (The type of plays that helped them to a strong first half.) By now every head coach and DC in the NFL knows the type of conservative game Kubes will call in such a situation, and they can pin their ears back and concentrate on stopping that stuff.

This is so stupid. With the game on the line today Kubiak went for a misdirection pass to a FB who hadn't been thrown to all year. Last week Kubiak threw deep to Jacoby in an attempt to ice the game, the game before that he went for a post to Casey.

The armchair QB's bring it from both sides. Kubiak calls throws that fail and it's "why aren't we RUNNING????" He calls runs that fail and it's "why are we SO PREDICTABLE?" Kubiak calls an effective play that leads to a big gain and it's "that's what we SHOULD be doing!"
 
Kubiak gives up way to many offensive series playing it conservative. Now that we have a defense it will become evident to all.

Sad thing is I am not too sure he will change. Is it a lack on confidence in Schaub's judgement that causes him to be this way or his twisted sense of how to win a game.

It’s a little bit of both.

Remember, Kubiak served as a backup quarterback in his NFL career as a player, which I believe, in turn, has translated into a backup quarterback mentality as a head coach. It’s this very same oblique mindset that has disallowed Matt Schaub to grow as a mature QB. Instead of full – or even partial – play-call-sharing, instead, Kubiak has installed very little latitude to command the game as Schaub should; hence, a progressive worsening in Schaub’s play, despite working with the same offensive weapons. Audibles are almost nonexistent. The plays are one route reads, with a series of check downs, as opposed to scanning the whole field – and one of the most telling aspects of the Schaub/Kubiak connections happens off the field, as they both share the same demeanor and often use identical verbiage.

In short, not only is Kubiak responsible for retarding the growth of the Texans, as a unit, but also, he has hamstrung his quarterback, by a philosophically inept view of how the game is played today.

“In this league,” Kubiak would have been better off straight up copying Shanahan, instead of mimicking his own shortcomings as a career backup.
 
This is so stupid. With the game on the line today Kubiak went for a misdirection pass to a FB who hadn't been thrown to all year. Last week Kubiak threw deep to Jacoby in an attempt to ice the game, the game before that he went for a post to Casey.

The armchair QB's bring it from both sides. Kubiak calls throws that fail and it's "why aren't we RUNNING????" He calls runs that fail and it's "why are we SO PREDICTABLE?" Kubiak calls an effective play that leads to a big gain and it's "that's what we SHOULD be doing!"

The FB screwed the pooch on that and should have caught the ball and run it in. He had a TD in his hands and blew it which is ironically the thing he seemingly wants to be known for. He's a "Gimmie the ball!" kind of FB who Cleveland fans mocked for thinking he was a RB. Well, we saw what Lawrence Vickers can do with the ball today didn't we?

Kubiak called some good plays. He also did his usual turtle impersonation when we were up 14-3. His offense has problems and they were apparent to many people even as we watched the defense sporting bigger problems. The offense is predicated on one player, Andre Johnson. Behind him are a bunch of WR's who get cut on other teams and there's no excuse for that. Jacoby Jones? Kevin Walters? These are role players not #2 wideouts. Sure, we've got TE's but they're no substitute for a top starting NFL WR. Never will be no matter how creatively they are used.

Today the Raiders said basically "You're not running the football" and they meant it. 8 men in the box most of the time and no seams or creases to cut back into. We did what we could and came up short. Kubiak isn't the reason specific mistakes were made. He's the reason we found ourselves with no one to go to besides TE's and Foster out of the backfield for most of the day.

I don't know what board the real QB's ***** on so you're stuck with the armchair QB's.
 
...Kubiak has installed very little latitude to command the game as Schaub should; hence, a progressive worsening in Schaub’s play...
Schaub 2009 > Schaub 2010 > Schaub 2011. He's not getting better.

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WFL FTW!
 
There were mistakes from all levels.

The O Line couldn't run block or pass protect.

Schaub was errant with most of his throws.

Jacoby played like Jacoby.

Vickers couldn't catch an easy TD.

Rackers misses a FG that would have put us within 3 at the end of the game.

Jason Allen made a play and then looked like Kareem Jackson.

Kubes stuck with the run for far too long, and didn't get the ball to Foster in space (enough).

The special teams was atrocious. On every play.

Despite all of that, we had the game in our hands on the last play of the game. Fix anyone of the above (O line first please!) and we win this game.

To say that Schaub was the problem here just ignores so much, but he needs to take his share of the blame.
 
It’s a little bit of both.

Remember, Kubiak served as a backup quarterback in his NFL career as a player, which I believe, in turn, has translated into a backup quarterback mentality as a head coach. It’s this very same oblique mindset that has disallowed Matt Schaub to grow as a mature QB. Instead of full – or even partial – play-call-sharing, instead, Kubiak has installed very little latitude to command the game as Schaub should; hence, a progressive worsening in Schaub’s play, despite working with the same offensive weapons. Audibles are almost nonexistent. The plays are one route reads, with a series of check downs, as opposed to scanning the whole field – and one of the most telling aspects of the Schaub/Kubiak connections happens off the field, as they both share the same demeanor and often use identical verbiage.

In short, not only is Kubiak responsible for retarding the growth of the Texans, as a unit, but also, he has hamstrung his quarterback, by a philosophically inept view of how the game is played today.

“In this league,” Kubiak would have been better off straight up copying Shanahan, instead of mimicking his own shortcomings as a career backup.

Hmm. Well, two things.

1) Mike Shanahan is not nice. Dude would eat his kid if he had to in order to win a game. When the Broncos won those two Super Bowls back to back, their offense was "foot on throat" full throttle. Which leads to my next point...

2) John Elway. Kubiak still thinks he has John Elway. He doesn't. Shanahan's meanness and John Elway's talent is what drove the Broncos.
 
Hmm. Well, two things.

1) Mike Shanahan is not nice. Dude would eat his kid if he had to in order to win a game. When the Broncos won those two Super Bowls back to back, their offense was "foot on throat" full throttle. Which leads to my next point...

2) John Elway. Kubiak still thinks he has John Elway. He doesn't. Shanahan's meanness and John Elway's talent is what drove the Broncos.

Exactly. The whole reason Kubiak was hired is because McNair had a hard on for those ol' Denver days, thinking that would spill over into Houston. Kubiak came with glowing recommendations. What McNair didn't know, however, was that Shanahan's rough hewn midwestern upbringing in no ways translates over into Kubes' "Ah shucks," mediocrity.
 
There were mistakes from all levels.

The O Line couldn't run block or pass protect.

Schaub was errant with most of his throws.

Jacoby played like Jacoby.

Vickers couldn't catch an easy TD.

Rackers misses a FG that would have put us within 3 at the end of the game.

Jason Allen made a play and then looked like Kareem Jackson.

Kubes stuck with the run for far too long, and didn't get the ball to Foster in space (enough).

The special teams was atrocious. On every play.

Despite all of that, we had the game in our hands on the last play of the game. Fix anyone of the above (O line first please!) and we win this game.

To say that Schaub was the problem here just ignores so much, but he needs to take his share of the blame.
Sorry, but if this is still going on after almost five and half seasons under Kubiak then it is on him. This is his sixth season already.
 
Hmm. Well, two things.

1) Mike Shanahan is not nice. Dude would eat his kid if he had to in order to win a game. When the Broncos won those two Super Bowls back to back, their offense was "foot on throat" full throttle. Which leads to my next point...

2) John Elway. Kubiak still thinks he has John Elway. He doesn't. Shanahan's meanness and John Elway's talent is what drove the Broncos.

I think all of that had to do with John Elway's greatness more than anything. You and I have always agreed on Kubiak going on several years now, but I also have always thought that Shanny built his reputation off of Elway's greatness as well. I think Shanhan is a good coach, but not some great one that some people believe because they see 2 SB's on paper. Elway was just that unbelievable "it factor" QB that could make things happen in the clutch and in crucial moments with limited talent. I've always put Elway in my top 3 QB's of all time, because he was just to unpredictable when it came to holding a lead against that guy. I hated him more than any other QB growing up. He reminds me so much of Manning and Brady now with him being Manning and Brady being Joe Montana. As great as Elway always could be there was always Joe Montana who was simply a cut above him no matter how great he could be. Either way, they were both once in a lifetime QB's.
 
Exactly. The whole reason Kubiak was hired is because McNair had a hard on for those ol' Denver days, thinking that would spill over into Houston. Kubiak came with glowing recommendations. What McNair didn't know, however, was that Shanahan's rough hewn midwestern upbringing in no ways translates over into Kubes' "Ah shucks," mediocrity.


Also, he can tap on a podium pretty well during interviews after a loss. FWIW

:clown:
 
It’s a little bit of both.

Remember, Kubiak served as a backup quarterback in his NFL career as a player, which I believe, in turn, has translated into a backup quarterback mentality as a head coach. It’s this very same oblique mindset that has disallowed Matt Schaub to grow as a mature QB. Instead of full – or even partial – play-call-sharing, instead, Kubiak has installed very little latitude to command the game as Schaub should; hence, a progressive worsening in Schaub’s play, despite working with the same offensive weapons. Audibles are almost nonexistent. The plays are one route reads, with a series of check downs, as opposed to scanning the whole field – and one of the most telling aspects of the Schaub/Kubiak connections happens off the field, as they both share the same demeanor and often use identical verbiage.

In short, not only is Kubiak responsible for retarding the growth of the Texans, as a unit, but also, he has hamstrung his quarterback, by a philosophically inept view of how the game is played today.

“In this league,” Kubiak would have been better off straight up copying Shanahan, instead of mimicking his own shortcomings as a career backup.

That was a stellar post. Very well put. I'm on my phone using tapatalk so I can't rep you but once I am back at my pc, I will try to remember to do so.

Great summary. I was thinking the same thing today when I was watching Schaub, looking at his demeanor, etc. It reminded me so much of Kubiak it made me want to puke. I think that is what had me so pissed at Schaub today. I can't stand having one Kubiak on our team let alone two.

It's really sad that you may be right that rather than truly make Schaub a better QB, Gary has handcuffed him by not allowing him to truly learn to read defenses, audible out of plays, and truly be a field general.
 
Sorry, but if this is still going on after almost five and half seasons under Kubiak then it is on him. This is his sixth season already.

I'm not giving Kubes a pass. The fact that our offense looked atrocious was all on him. I'm trying to say that Schaub was not completely the problem here, the execution was terrible.
 
lets not start with the Coach C talk just yet. This game is not fully kubiaks fault. See how i said FULLY. 4 50+ yard FGs. 2 of them without the raiders even gaining a first down. Vickers Droping a wide open pass that was an easy TD. Matt Schaub playing QB for the raiders and throwing a perfect pass to beat the texans :kingkong:. See its not all on Kubiak but everything else i didnt mention is.
 
how big was that miss by rackers ?

Vickers screwed up. Cost us.

Rackers screwed up. Cost us.

Dreessen dropped an easy pass that Kubiak challenged. Cost us.

O-line acted like they had never run blocked before. Cost us.

The two most productive plays for Arian Foster were both, IIRC, the little swing pass to him as he headed out of the backfield and toward sideline. The old "pass play that's like a running play when your running game isn't working" play. Yet we only did that twice, IIRC. THAT cost us.

Jacoby Jones, IMO, is running his routes too deep before making his cut, which means Schaub's passes that look like Schaub is underthrowing and hitting the dirt in from of JJ is more JJ's fault than anything. I have been thinking about it. I sat there in the stadium and thought, "Why is this same scenario--the ball being thrown to JJ too high or too low all the time--continuing to happen so much? Maybe JJ is not running SHARP, CLEAN, ACCURATE routes and Schaub is subsequently throwing it higher than where JJ is at that moment in the route or Schaub is throwing it too shallow. Know what I mean? That sort of stuff cost us today. Multiple times.

Joe Marciano's team not being ready for a fake punt? Cost us.

Putting Danieal Manning all the way up into the box and leaving CBs on an island against big, fast WRs of the Raiders? Cost us. I just sat there and shook my head. Manning is a ball hawk, you get him roaming the secondary and making catches out there.

Outside of Cushing and Johnathan Joseph, nobody on defense did anything consistently GOOD today.

This game was like a fog. I sat there, in the stadium, and just shook my head. My head shaking and my sour mood began in the 2nd quarter when it became apparent that for some reason the Texans were destined to lose this game. I think when Mario went out, the rest of our team's fire and confidence did too. As if "Well, we could survive until AJ gets back...but now that Mario is gone? Eff it. We're screwed."

I had a bad feeling in the 2nd quarter when we would hold them to FG attempts and The Janitor was nailing his long kicks on us. We're SCREWED. All they have to do is FG us to death, and they did. They knew we'd bend and then tighten up near FG range...and they knew all they had to do was just get the oompa loompa in tight silver pants within 60 yards of the posts.

Game over. Raiders game plan > Texans non-game plan.
 
Vickers screwed up. Cost us.

Rackers screwed up. Cost us.

Dreessen dropped an easy pass that Kubiak challenged. Cost us.

O-line acted like they had never run blocked before. Cost us.

The two most productive plays for Arian Foster were both, IIRC, the little swing pass to him as he headed out of the backfield and toward sideline. The old "pass play that's like a running play when your running game isn't working" play. Yet we only did that twice, IIRC. THAT cost us.

Jacoby Jones, IMO, is running his routes too deep before making his cut, which means Schaub's passes that look like Schaub is underthrowing and hitting the dirt in from of JJ is more JJ's fault than anything. I have been thinking about it. I sat there in the stadium and thought, "Why is this same scenario--the ball being thrown to JJ too high or too low all the time--continuing to happen so much? Maybe JJ is not running SHARP, CLEAN, ACCURATE routes and Schaub is subsequently throwing it higher than where JJ is at that moment in the route or Schaub is throwing it too shallow. Know what I mean? That sort of stuff cost us today. Multiple times.

Joe Marciano's team not being ready for a fake punt? Cost us.

Putting Danieal Manning all the way up into the box and leaving CBs on an island against big, fast WRs of the Raiders? Cost us. I just sat there and shook my head. Manning is a ball hawk, you get him roaming the secondary and making catches out there.

Outside of Cushing and Johnathan Joseph, nobody on defense did anything consistently GOOD today.

This game was like a fog. I sat there, in the stadium, and just shook my head. My head shaking and my sour mood began in the 2nd quarter when it became apparent that for some reason the Texans were destined to lose this game. I think when Mario went out, the rest of our team's fire and confidence did too. As if "Well, we could survive until AJ gets back...but now that Mario is gone? Eff it. We're screwed."

I had a bad feeling in the 2nd quarter when we would hold them to FG attempts and The Janitor was nailing his long kicks on us. We're SCREWED. All they have to do is FG us to death, and they did. They knew we'd bend and then tighten up near FG range...and they knew all they had to do was just get the oompa loompa in tight silver pants within 60 yards of the posts.

Game over. Raiders game plan > Texans non-game plan.

haha yeah all this as well
 
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