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Owen Daniels/Texans playing "contract chicken"'

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Hmm...things could get interesting

With Falcons offensive lineman Tyson Clabo signing his restricted free agency tender, only one unsigned restricted free agent remains: Texans tight end Owen Daniels.

And if Daniels doesn’t accept his one-year, $2.792 million offer by June 15, things could get interesting.

After that date, the Texans acquire the option to reduce the tender to the greater of the minimum salary for a player of Daniels’ experience level or 110 percent of his 2008 pay.

Since he made $451,000 in 2008, the Texans would able to reduce the tender to the three-year veteran minimum of $520,000.

The Texans applied the highest possible tender to Daniels, which would have entitled the team to a first-round and a third-round draft pick if he had signed an offer sheet that the Texans had then opted not to match. He received no interest before the April deadline for pilfering restricted free agents, likely due to the fact that no one would ever give up that much in trade for a tight end.

Reducing the tender won’t be the best way to make their player happy, but it will be a good indication of how serious the Texans are about playing hardball with guys who want more money, like Daniels, cornerback Dunta Robinson, and linebacker DeMeco Ryans.
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I saw this. I was thinking there's no way he doesn't sign it. That seems crazy to me. He signs it right?

They probably don't want to sign everybody right away. they are allowed to have 8 extra guys in camp while the draftees are unsigned.
 
He doesn't stand to gain anything by not signing but stands to lose a lot if he doesn't. He'll sign.
 
I respect Ryans and Daniels for being at OTAs with their contract issues.

I still think Daniels signs a tender or an extension before the season starts.

Ryans I'm not sure about because I think he dropped off last year and they might want to see what he brings at the beginning of this season before committing long term to him.

That other guy, well needless to say there is less respect there and less concern about getting him signed.
 
Should we be getting a little frustrated with Rick Smith? I mean I don't blame him for the Dunta situation but there is no reason OD and Demeco should not be getting good deals. What's the problem?
 
There has to be a reason OD hasn't signed his tender. I'm not a "contract expert" by any means, but.... The only conclusion I can draw is that Smith and OD's agent are trying to work out a longer-term deal. If they don't, he'll undoubtedly sign the tender before the deadline.

This is pure speculation, but given all the facts listed above I can't think of any other reason why he hasn't signed it yet.

Thoughts?
 
Ckw5814 said:
Should we be getting a little frustrated with Rick Smith? I mean I don't blame him for the Dunta situation but there is no reason OD and Demeco should not be getting good deals. What's the problem?
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only a couple of players with contract issues in early June. That's really a problem?
 
I still blame Kellen Winslow's stupid, ridiculous deal and the morons at Tampa who actually put pen to paper on it. I'm sure Owen and his agent had a much less ludicrous number in mind until they saw that and said "oh, wait - well, Owen has proven much more on and off the field than Winslow."

Sigh.
 
Vinny said:
only a couple of players with contract issues in early June. That's really a problem?
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When those couple of players are some of the best players on your team, it is a bit of a problem. But I what I said was a question so I personally have mixed emotions and was simply wondering what others on here thought about it.
 
Ckw5814 said:
When those couple of players are some of the best players on your team, it is a bit of a problem. But I what I said was a question so I personally have mixed emotions and was simply wondering what others on here thought about it.
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I'm not worried about it.

Yet.
 
I don't care what they paid Winslow, I don't see OD being worth more than 10-12 Million guaranteed to the Texans. He probably gets more than that, but I don't see it especially with ODs backup being a descent player and 2 more TEs drafted this year alone.
 
Well I love Owen Daniels and all, but let me propose this? (You guys are going to hate me)

Since everyone seems to think that Casey is going to be so good as a pass catching TE, what if the Texans dangled Daniels to possibly get a first rounder. Many teams out there use first round draft picks on a guy that they think will be a great TE, and with Daniels there is no ? there. You know what you're getting. If Casey can be similar to what Daniels is now, I think that it might be worth thinking about.

Anyone agree, or am I just crazy?
 
Since Dunta is our first "holdout"..im not worried about it.

Truth of the matter is we signed AJ to an extension a while back, and he's prolly worth (and COULD ask for) way more than what he's currently getting.
 
Ckw5814 said:
Should we be getting a little frustrated with Rick Smith? I mean I don't blame him for the Dunta situation but there is no reason OD and Demeco should not be getting good deals. What's the problem?
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I think it this is a fair question. Both of these guys are pro-bowl caliber players and leaders on the team. For a young franchise, I think it is important to keep these types of guys - who are one of few nationally recongized players on our team - and keep them happy.

All that being said, there is no telling what is going on behind the scenes. I would hope that these guys were advised to show up because real progress is being made. You would think that if the organization was taking an unreasonably slow pace in dealing with these contracts that these players wouldn't be at camp.

I have to believe that Rick Smith is going to do everything he can to keep both of these guys happy. Arguably (if the reports are true), everything was done to keep Dunta happy as well - there is just nothing you can do if the asking price is too high.
 
I think both of these guys (Daniels and Ryans) will be happy with their new deals by training camp. At least that's what I'm hoping for.
 
We might be able to get by without OD, especially if Casey can prove to be a good pass catching TE.

We will take a significant step back if we lose Demeco.
 
Ckw5814 said:
We might be able to get by without OD, especially if Casey can prove to be a good pass catching TE.

We will take a significant step back if we lose Demeco.
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That was my thoughts if Casey can be good enough.

I asked the question earlier if anyone would consider it to be a good idea to trade OD for a possible 1st rounder, and no has answered yet. I guess everyone thought that was a horribly dumb question or something, but if Casey is the real deal I think that it would be smart.
 
Texecutioner said:
That was my thoughts if Casey can be good enough.

I asked the question earlier if anyone would consider it to be a good idea to trade OD for a possible 1st rounder, and no has answered yet. I guess everyone thought that was a horribly dumb question or something, but if Casey is the real deal I think that it would be smart.
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Sure but here is the thing: the TE position is vital in this offense. I really believe our WRs would have nowhere near the production they have had if you remove a good TE like OD from the equation. If Casey can replace him and keep up the production, then I am all for trading Owen. But that is a big IF.
 
Ckw5814 said:
We might be able to get by without OD, especially if Casey can prove to be a good pass catching TE.
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That or Dreissen. Guy did great in goalline situations and wasn't scared to go across the middle. They tendered him at a head scratching high price, I thought they'd let him walk.
And then they drafted two more TE's, which doesn't make any sense.

I think they had a plan for Owen....I'm just looking at all the signs that are pointing to moving on.
 
Ckw5814 said:
Sure but here is the thing: the TE position is vital in this offense. I really believe our WRs would have nowhere near the production they have had if you remove a good TE like OD from the equation. If Casey can replace him and keep up the production, then I am all for trading Owen. But that is a big IF.
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I agree with all of this, and that's why I said IF Casey can carry the load. If so, we won't be able to feed both guys that much, and if he can, why not try and get a 1st rounder for him? That would be pretty sweet for next year's draft.
 
While it's very tempting to look at a 1st round pick (if offered), I still go with working out a deal with a proven TE instead of hoping that Casey can be as good as OD. Sort of the bird in the hand is better than two in the bush kinda' logic, IMO.
 
the Texans aren't about to trade this guy in hopes that a 5th round rookie is going to step up. OD went to the PRO BOWL this past year and you want to deal him for a draft pick? there is no way Casey could fill that much of a void. there are very few times when i scratch my head at so many posts in one thread on this board but this is ridiculous. OD was part of the three headed receiving monster that helped this team rank 3rd in the league in overall offense with AJ and Walter. he is probably the 2nd most dynamic receiving option on this team and you want to trade him for a MAYBE player. these posts are unforgivable. give him a long term contract. and sign the two leaders of this defense back. this team will go 6-10 at BEST without these players.
 
V3rm0nt3r said:
the Texans aren't about to trade this guy in hopes that a 5th round rookie is going to step up. OD went to the PRO BOWL this past year and you want to deal him for a draft pick?
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I didn't say I wanted to trade him for a draft pick, I proposed the possible idea. You do realize that he may demand top TE money around the price that Winslow is getting and I for one would rather him walk for that kind of dough. So if the situation were to get to that I think trading him for a high pick would be the smartest thing to do if that may end up being the case. Hopefully it won't, but we did draft two TE's so we would have back ups to take his spot if we had to do that.


V3rm0nt3r said:
there is no way Casey could fill that much of a void.
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You don't know what he can do. He hasn't played.




V3rm0nt3r said:
there are very few times when i scratch my head at so many posts in one thread on this board but this is ridiculous.
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Well, you obviously haven't thought about the alternative of what Daniels might ask for with his extension, so it seems to me that you haven't thought this through. Once again, I never said we should do it, I just proposed the idea. If Daniels wants money anywhere close to Winslow it would actually be smart.

V3rm0nt3r said:
OD was part of the three headed receiving monster that helped this team rank 3rd in the league in overall offense with AJ and Walter.
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We weren't the 3rd best offense in the league last year. That is incorrect.

V3rm0nt3r said:
he is probably the 2nd most dynamic receiving option on this team and you want to trade him for a MAYBE player. these posts are unforgivable.
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This is where your post gets over the top. The NFL is a business and the Texans management have to do what's right for the team financially. If Daniels asks for to much money while we've got other TE's who might be pretty good which Casey probably will be then we could still get good production at the position for around the same low price that we've been paying Daniels. If Casey were to be really good and we were able to avoid paying all of that money to Daniels and get a high draft pick for him, then that would be a genius move by SMith.



V3rm0nt3r said:
give him a long term contract. and sign the two leaders of this defense back. this team will go 6-10 at BEST without these players.
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Now this is where you went way over board. If Casey could produce a season where he gets around 500 to 600 yards receiving which is quite possible and a few TD's, and he's doing that for not even a Mill a season while Daniels will want like 5 Mill a season, then we'd have made out like a bandit.

Once again, I'm not suggesting that "we should" trade Daniels, but I'm thinking ahead and contemplating if he might possibly ask for a ton of money that our management won't pay. If we lose him and get nothing because he is asking for to much then that would be really stupid.
 
I think I just pissed Owen Daniels off on Facebook. Whoops!

Owen Daniels: Decided not to show up for practice because of my contract situation. I would much rather bet there, but I'm not getting the fairness I was hoping for on the business end of things. I really hope we can agree on something soon.

about an hour ago · Comment · Like/Unlike
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I replied:

Dude, come on. Two words: Demeco Ryans.
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He immediately replied:

I appreciate the support from most of you. I can see how its hard for some people to understand, but you just have to stick up for yourself sometimes, bottom line.
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http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/OwenDaniels?ref=nf

Sorry Owen. I love your game. But with the way the world is right now, the last thing I want to hear is Athletes whining about money and contracts. Just my opinion.
 
I am the Real OD's friend on facebook. i added him back in 2006. This was his status today. thought it was interesting

Owen Daniels unfairness on the texans side = me not showing up for practice. sometimes you just have to stick up for yourself.
 
As a restricted free agent, Daniels has less leverage than does Dunta, but holding out of voluntary activities is one of the few things he can do that won't have a major impact on his pocket.
 
Meh, as long as he signs his tender by the 15th, I'm good. That will leave plenty of time to get a deal finalized. He'll be at TC
 
Texans will have a bunch of tough decisions to start making...
 
Frak The Jags said:
Was that the guy talking about "The Backbone of the NFL" or whatever? I didnt even finish reading it. It reminded me of some of the posters over on Clutchfans.
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Yeah, he kept going on and on trying to reason like Daniels would really listen to what some random guy on facebook has to say. Lol!
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah, he kept going on and on trying to reason like Daniels would really listen to what some random guy on facebook has to say. Lol!
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The true definition of an Armchair GM. Like I said, theyre all over Clutchfans. Which is when my postings started going down over there.
 
Trade him! He was never any good! The guys we drafted are obviously better! Make him prove it on the field!

or

None of the above. Business as usual in the NFL.

I'll go with the latter. It will be interesting to see if the team always takes a hard line with these situations, and how long they hold that line.
 
Frak The Jags said:
The true definition of an Armchair GM. Like I said, theyre all over Clutchfans. Which is when my postings started going down over there.
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Now there is another guy on there lecturing him and another that is arguing with the other two. These guys are practically making a message board Texans Talk type of thing on his facebook page. It's ridiculous. Lol!
 
Texecutioner said:
Now there is another guy on there lecturing him and another that is arguing with the other two. These guys are practically making a message board Texans Talk type of thing on his facebook page. It's ridiculous. Lol!
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I'm glad Facebook is blocked at my office (except during lunch hours) or, like a moth to the light, I would have to go look. What can I say? Seven years without a winning season has made me a glutton for punishment. :bat:
 
Polo said:
Texans will have a bunch of tough decisions to start making...
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Especially, as or (if) the texans continue to improve, not every player that the masses think is good is going to get re-signed. The better organizations have feel which player to keep and at how much. Overall, though while not comfortable when it is your team, all teams have issues with players and contracts at some point and the Texans are starting to have a couple.
 
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“Add to that the possibility of some real high heat index numbers and also some very high UV index numbers,” Gomez said. “It’s going to feel like well over 100 degrees Tuesday afternoon.”
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Contributing factor?

It would for me. That would be 9% of my decision not to show up for the rest of the week.
 
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