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Just sign him please he is a valuble player on our team. I dont wanna hear this crap just sign for like 4 or 5 years and move on....Jesus!
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It isn't that simple. We don't know what kind of money he is asking for. If he is asking for top dollar TE money close to what Winslow got then that would be a really stupid deal and I'd have no problem either letting him walk, but would much rather the Texans trade him for a draft pick. He is a great TE, and all but he isn't worth the kind of money that Winslow got.Just sign him please he is a valuble player on our team. I dont wanna hear this crap just sign for like 4 or 5 years and move on....Jesus!
and just who gets to make that determination? You?It isn't that simple. We don't know what kind of money he is asking for. If he is asking for top dollar TE money close to what Winslow got then that would be a really stupid deal and I'd have no problem either letting him walk, but would much rather the Texans trade him for a draft pick. He is a great TE, and all but he isn't worth the kind of money that Winslow got.
That would be nice if it were so.and just who gets to make that determination? You?
It's not a comparison of who is better out of Winslow and Daniels. It's about is Daniels worth that kind of money, and the answer is no. That is to much money to be paying any TE. Just because the Bucs over paid their guy doesn't mean that we should pony up the cash and pay an insane amount of dollars just to keep our guy at TE, especially after the Texans just drafted two TE's with different types of skill sets that may do just fine for the same type of cheap money that we have been able to pay Daniels the last 3 seasons.I would rather pay the Winslow type money to OD than to Winslow. If we trade away every player that wants more money then we will be in constant rebuilding mode. Who wants that?
Good for you, Frak.I think I just pissed Owen Daniels off on Facebook. Whoops!
I replied:
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Sorry Owen. I love your game. But with the way the world is right now, the last thing I want to hear is Athletes whining about money and contracts. Just my opinion.
Good teams decide who is worth it versus who is asking for too much. That's why teams like the Patriots and Eagles don't mind letting top tier players walk but aren't always in rebuilding mode.and just who gets to make that determination? You?
I would rather pay the Winslow type money to OD than to Winslow. If we trade away every player that wants more money then we will be in constant rebuilding mode. Who wants that?
Excellent example. The Eagles front office doesn't get near the credit they deserve for how well they handle their players. That Trotter move and how they got him back was pretty shrewd. They let him go and then he came crawling right back for a lot cheaper and played great for them when he acme back as well. I have a lot of respect for the Eagles management and how they handle things.Good teams decide who is worth it versus who is asking for too much. That's why teams like the Patriots and Eagles don't mind letting top tier players walk but aren't always in rebuilding mode.
Two examples: Jeremiah Trotter and Deion Branch.
I keep up with the Eagles as my Fav NFC team and I remember the contract dispute that Trotter had with the Eagles. They let him walk to Washington where he struggled and eventually asked for his job back after getting cut after two bad years.
Winslow isn't worth the kind of money that Winslow got.............It isn't that simple. We don't know what kind of money he is asking for. If he is asking for top dollar TE money close to what Winslow got then that would be a really stupid deal and I'd have no problem either letting him walk, but would much rather the Texans trade him for a draft pick. He is a great TE, and all but he isn't worth the kind of money that Winslow got.
I do get the feeling they dislike his handling of contract negotiations--which is dumb because its not his money he's dealing with--its Mr. McNair's his boss--but of course Dunta's agent didn't explain that to him before he blasted RickI was pretty shocked to hear this news. Not sure what to think really. I just hope we give new contracts to Owen Daniels and DeMeco Ryans respectively.
Anyone else get the feeling like a lot of players on the Texans do not like GM Rick Smith?
Also if you hate this news, after this season Kevin Walter becomes a free agent... If he has another season like he did in 2008, we might have problems paying him the $$$ to keep him a Texan.
Alright, let's not get carried away. DeMeco deserves his $$$ too and he's "on-board". OD will get his payday, but if he's holding out for Winslow $ (which should NEVER have been a realistic offer to ANY TE) he's kidding himself. He hasn't threatened (yet) to hold out "into" the season, so I have little issue with this for a vet who already knows his place in the system.It was short-sighted of OD to do any of the team workouts without a signed tender or new contract. He was assuming all the risk by showing up. He's shown the team his willingness to put out; the ball is in the team's court now.
I'd like to be able to say I'm surprised that a post has already been made suggesting an unproven rookie could fill OD's slot in "the system". I'm not. The dude is surprisingly easy to replace after being touted as a top five tight end for so long. I guess he's also "spouting off" to the press now because he gave his side of the story. It is a short distance from high character to spoiled athlete around here.
Alright, let's not get carried away. DeMeco deserves his $$$ too and he's "on-board". OD will get his payday, but if he's holding out for Winslow $ (which should NEVER have been a realistic offer to ANY TE) he's kidding himself. He hasn't threatened (yet) to hold out "into" the season, so I have little issue with this for a vet who already knows his place in the system.
Dunta is another case altogether...and YES, I do consider his case to be spoiled athlete syndrome when you factor the nearly 10 mil he'll be making this year while coming off an injury AND not playing all that great at the end of last year to begin with. There's also the issue of a new DC and he needs the reps as bad (or worse) than any guy on the defense.
DeMeco is under contract. Daniels is not. Neither is Robinson. Daniels and Robinson are not "holding out". They just haven't signed their tenders, yet. Which is their prerogative. When the Texans tagged these players, they did so with the knowledge that they might not have Daniels and Robinson's services for minicamps and possibly even training camp.DeMeco deserves his $$$ too and he's "on-board". OD will get his payday, but if he's holding out for Winslow $ (which should NEVER have been a realistic offer to ANY TE) he's kidding himself.
Dunta is another case altogether...
I really don't think OD would be as easy to replace as people make him out to be. For a while people were saying that Dreessen was as good as OD and would be able to take his spot...I'm not convinced. OD has proven himself in our system, and for that simple fact ALONE he is deserving of a contract, not something crazy, but maybe more than what the Texans offered him initially.It was short-sighted of OD to do any of the team workouts without a signed tender or new contract. He was assuming all the risk by showing up. He's shown the team his willingness to put out; the ball is in the team's court now.
I'd like to be able to say I'm surprised that a post has already been made suggesting an unproven rookie could fill OD's slot in "the system". I'm not. The dude is surprisingly easy to replace after being touted as a top five tight end for so long. I guess he's also "spouting off" to the press now because he gave his side of the story. It is a short distance from high character to spoiled athlete around here.
It was short-sighted of OD to do any of the team workouts without a signed tender or new contract. He was assuming all the risk by showing up. He's shown the team his willingness to put out; the ball is in the team's court now.
I'd like to be able to say I'm surprised that a post has already been made suggesting an unproven rookie could fill OD's slot in "the system". I'm not. The dude is surprisingly easy to replace after being touted as a top five tight end for so long. I guess he's also "spouting off" to the press now because he gave his side of the story. It is a short distance from high character to spoiled athlete around here.
The only reason OD is not under contract is because he did not sign his RFA high end qualifying offer, an offer which no player in the history of the league no player has ever turned down. He has yet to sign it because he wants a long term deal. Oh by the way because their is no CBA he would still be a RFA next year as well.DeMeco is under contract. Daniels is not. Neither is Robinson. Daniels and Robinson are not "holding out". They just haven't signed their tenders, yet. Which is their prerogative. When the Texans tagged these players, they did so with the knowledge that they might not have Daniels and Robinson's services for minicamps and possibly even training camp.
I'm not suggesting that the Texans should cave in to these players' contract demands. I don't even know what they are (nor does anyone else who posts here). I'm just saying that the Texans organization shares equal "blame" for Daniels and Robinson non-participation in team activities. Actually, there is no fault for either side. That's just the system that currently exists.
He's definitely a far cry from the father. So is Mike Brown....kinda makes you wonder about the two.Winslow isn't worth the kind of money that Winslow got.............
If 2010 is an uncapped year, that means, in all likelihood, that there is no new CBA. In that case, Daniels won't be a UFA. He'll have to wait until after his 6th season (2011) to be unrestricted. Now, I suppose the Texans could promise not to slap a tender on him next off-season, but that's a pretty steep concession to a player whose rights you still control for another two years.My solution would be give him his million and promise not to franchise him next year. Both sides get what they want. O.D. gets his walking players and a long term deal in 2010 in an uncapped year from whomever. The Texans get congruency for 2009. The risk is on O.D.'s plate for sure. But if he's chasing the money....never going to have a better opportunity than an once a generation uncapped year to find the golden ring. And as we've seen with the Winslow deal....when it comes to the owners there is a never ending source of a suckers who'll bite the big one and over pay for a guy. And the players deserve every penny of it. I wish O.D. well what ever happens. He truly represents a NFL good, hard working soldier.
Question for the board:Sorry Owen. I love your game. But with the way the world is right now, the last thing I want to hear is Athletes whining about money and contracts. Just my opinion.
When they're consistently leaving $10+ million in cap space. The Texans are usually right at the cap with just $3-5 million in wiggle room for mid season moves, added contract incentives, cap forwarding, etc.Question for the board:
When do we get to complain about ownership whining about money and contracts? The team rakes in far more money than any player, they continually raise prices on tickets, parking, concessions, and miscellaneous stuff (PSL transfer fee, anyone?), and yet fans seem to complain about the players risking their bodies trying to get as much as they can. I don't know, it seems pretty f&^%ed up, if you ask me. The players should try for every bit of money they can get - the owners are. In this case, that's Rick Smith acting as agent for the owner.
I get that, but why exclude the owners? They can be as capitalistic as they want and rake in money hand over fist, but the players can't?As a nation, we pay more and care more about professional sports than we do educating our children. When teachers make more money and have better facilities and smaller classes than is the case today, then maybe I'll care about cry baby professional sports players.
Sorry if that offends anyone, but the salaries of professional sports players compared to other necessary jobs in our society makes me sick. It shows our twisted priorities as a society.
The afternoon guys on SR610 said on air that last season the Texans were 18th in the NFL in payroll, at about $109 million. They were 4th in terms of making money.When they're consistently leaving $10+ million in cap space. The Texans are usually right at the cap with just $3-5 million in wiggle room for mid season moves, added contract incentives, cap forwarding, etc.
I include owners, agents, players, fans who buy season tickets and merchandise, cable companies and product manufactures who buy commercial time on NFL broadcasts. All are guilty. Thats right, even me.I get that, but why exclude the owners? They can be as capitalistic as they want and rake in money hand over fist, but the players can't?
Well, you won't get any argument from me on that, as it's really the underlying reason why I don't fault the players any more than I do the owners. The money is there, and it's going to be divided, so if I were a player, I'd be fighting for my share as well.I include owners, agents, players, fans who buy season tickets and merchandise, cable companies and product manufactures who buy commercial time on NFL broadcasts. All are guilty. Thats right, even me.
As I said, I put the blame on society as a whole for this situation. When we value a wide receiver or a quarterback more than a school teacher or a fireman, something is wrong.
It's just one of those things that irratate me, but it's not like anything can be done, and it's certainly not going to keep me from watching the NFL, or hoping OD comes back into the fold.Well, you won't get any argument from me on that, as it's really the underlying reason why I don't fault the players any more than I do the owners. The money is there, and it's going to be divided, so if I were a player, I'd be fighting for my share as well.
The fact that the money is there in the first place is the underlying problem, but not something that the players or owners have any responsibility to fix, IMO. They sell a product and people have the option to not buy.
Yeah me either. I had to look it up. Websters definitionAnother new word that I have not heard before "tergiversation"
Thanks again runner for expanding our vocabulary.Main Entry: ter·gi·ver·sa·tion
Pronunciation: \ˌtər-ˌji-vər-ˈsā-shən, -ˌgi-; ˌtər-ji-(ˌvər-\
Function: noun
Date: 1570
1 : evasion of straightforward action or clear-cut statement : equivocation
2 : desertion of a cause, position, party, or faith
It's just one of those things that irratate me, but it's not like anything can be done, and it's certainly not going to keep me from watching the NFL, or hoping OD comes back into the fold.
It just pisses me off, that's all.
Well sign me up for the pay OD, and Ryans camp. My beef with the DR situation is not necessarily that he is holding out. It is just that he has been a titty baby about the whole thing from the beginning. However, he hasn't been doing too much crying to Solomon lately. Maybe he is learning to just zip his trap and let his agent do the talking. That would go a long way with the fans.I don't understand why some of y'all are getting so bent out of shape. OD and Dunta will eventually sign their tenders and play for the Texans this season. There's really not much doubt in my mind that the Texans eventually reach a long term deal with OD and D-Ryans. Until then, they can either sign their tender's and play while deals are being worked out, or they sit home for the 09 season.
Practically every team in the NFL have been going through these situations for years. We have our first one and it's "X player needs to quit whining", "it's the Texans FO's fault" or "we can trade/cut player X because we have a rookie". Good grief
I, for one, don't give a frog's fat ass what OD, D-Ryans and Dunta get paid. It ain't my money. The only thing we fans should really care about is how it affects the cap. There are ways of giving certain players large deals with it still being cap friendly, no?
For those saying Dreessen, Casey or whoever could step in for OD, give me a freakin break. Hell, just last week everyone was saying pay OD and D-Ryans. Now OD holds out of freaking OTA's and he's being whiney and can move on without him.
My.02. Not that they're worth a damn
Owen Daniels will have no problem bolting the Texans and running over to the next team that will pay him what he wants. So he has no allegiance to this team, nor does any other fan favorite on this or any other team.Two things are for certain: If it's Kubiak who's got his neck bowed this pi$$ing contest is already over. You're not going to out dig in an Aggie. And obviously, our capologist knows what the hell he's doing. We're not busting the franchise's cap for one guy no matter how good he is. Or thinks he is.
What about strippers and prostitutes?I include owners, agents, players, fans who buy season tickets and merchandise, cable companies and product manufactures who buy commercial time on NFL broadcasts. All are guilty. That’s right, even me.
As I said, I put the blame on society as a whole for this situation. When we value a wide receiver or a quarterback more than a school teacher or a fireman, something is wrong.
I agree on Dunta. He would've been better suited to keep quiet.Well sign me up for the pay OD, and Ryans camp. My beef with the DR situation is not necessarily that he is holding out. It is just that he has been a titty baby about the whole thing from the beginning. However, he hasn't been doing too much crying to Solomon lately. Maybe he is learning to just zip his trap and let his agent do the talking. That would go a long way with the fans.
I agree on Dunta. He would've been better suited to keep quiet.
Can somebody copy and paste the "Quotes from Day 12" from HT.com and PM them to me? I'm still having problems opening links from the site.
Thank you
HT.com(on TE Owen Daniels missing practice) Were obviously in the middle of a negotiation, and he is well within his rights to not come because these activities are voluntary. Were wishing he were here like he was last week continuing to work with his teammates and we understand that. These things have a way of working themselves out.
"Were obviously in the middle of a negotiation, and he is well within his rights to not come because these activities are voluntary." - Rick Smith(on if he is bothered that there could be a trend of the team not being able to sign core players) No, it doesnt bother me at all. I think whats important for us, number one, in this particular negotiation, is the reason why were talking is we feel like Owen is an important part of this football team. We talk about our philosophy in terms of building; youre trying to take care of those young core players. We are doing that. And when you do that and when you negotiate, theres a lot of variables that are in play and what you try to do is you try to come up with an agreement than benefits both sides. Were in the process of doing that; thats where we are. Sometimes those things are easier than other times. Weve got a locker room full of players, so we know how to get deals done. So that doesnt concern me.
Head coach Gary Kubiak
(on TE Owen Daniels missing practice) "It's a voluntary workout and he's made a decision not to be here. If you've been in this league long enough, those things go on. It's part of the business. But it doesn't stop practice. We had a very good practice today. It doesn't stop when we have to be ready for a game in the fall. We just have to get back to work. There were more reps for Joel, and Anthony and Casey, so those three guys got better today."
Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan
(on how he feels going into his second year as offensive coordinator) Its a little more fun being in my second year; not everythings my first time. Ive done it before, I know what to expect.
(on if things have changed since last year) Its not much. Youve got to stay on top of football; youve got to keep adjusting. But we get to return our starters, all eleven guys. We had a pretty good year last year, so were just trying to get better and a little more detailed.
(on if he will be calling all of the plays) Yeah, definitely. Thats what I expect my job to be.
QB Matt Schaub
(on his relationship with Shanahan) We are the same age, so you can relate well to one another as far as life goes. That helps us bond and be able to talk to one another one on one, and not like coach to player but like man to man, and be able to understand things and what we want out of the offense.
(on the progress over the last three weeks) Every day, were getting better and were coming together. We have a lot of you guys that are coming on board and theyre picking things up. We taught at a pretty slow pace this yearone install for every two daysbut it helps us really. Everyone gets on the same page and we didnt have the mental errors that you usually see early in OTAs, especially from young guys. Its a way to come out and shake the rust off and get back in the swing of football.
(on how he approaches the last week of OTAs) We will just continue with what weve been doing - keep gelling together and keep meshing and hashing things out so when we get to camp, were full speed ahead and we dont have to repeat things and relearn things. Were full speed ahead and ready to go.
(on how much farther along he feels this year than at this point last year) So much further. You mention coming in healthy off last season, whereas last year I had that shoulder surgery and I was rehabbing that. I just feel more comfortable and confident in what Im doing and what the coaches expect since last year. I just understand the offense that much more. We know what we want to do; we know what were good at.
(on if he feels more sturdy this year) I think so. You dont know; its hard to tell until you get hit, but I feel strong in there and that was one thing I wanted to build up was my strength, getting stronger, and I think I did that.
(on if feeling stronger has improved his confidence) I think so, internally, you just feel that much more comfortable to stand in there an extra half-second to deliver that pass down the field and not be so quick to try and get out of the pocket.
(on what new wrinkles well see in the offense this year) Id like to say more quarterback runs, but I dont know if thats going to happen. No (laughs). You know, we know what we do well. Were not going to try and deviate, were not going to try and reinvent the wheel. Our offense is what made us successful last year, so were just going to keep doing those things.
Thanks, man. Gotta spread the repHT.com
It's OD's fault we aren't scoring in the redzone? He can't throw himself the ball. Let's start by improving the run game and decreasing the amount of TO's in the redzone before we start placing blame on OD.A TE's bread and butter and ability to make a pay check is what he is able to do in red zone situations. We finished in the 20's in points scored last year. IIRC correctly he finished with two or three TD's last year? We were in the Red a lot and he just hasnt shined at any point in his short career by scoring points. OD's success is due to the system he plays in. Dressen can do the same thing he can.
We went out in the draft and got ourselves a blocking TE and OD's replacement in Casey. TE is very, very deep on this team.
Not that simple... what about Pitts, Walter, DRob, R.Butler... not to mention Slaton will be do a renegotiation soon, Bennett will be a RFA after the season, along with Diles and Jacoby Jones.Well sign me up for the pay OD, and Ryans camp. My beef with the DR situation is not necessarily that he is holding out. It is just that he has been a titty baby about the whole thing from the beginning. However, he hasn't been doing too much crying to Solomon lately. Maybe he is learning to just zip his trap and let his agent do the talking. That would go a long way with the fans.
Never said he was once. But the fact is that he got that deal, and that MIGHT cause Daniels to say "Hey, I think I'm better than him and I want that kind of cash too." If so, then I'll pass especially when the Texans just drafted a very good blocking TE and a multi dimensional pass catching utility type of TE.Winslow isn't worth the kind of money that Winslow got.............
I agree. I don't think OD is as easy to replace as many think, but that's just my opinion.I really don't think OD would be as easy to replace as people make him out to be. For a while people were saying that Dreessen was as good as OD and would be able to take his spot...I'm not convinced. OD has proven himself in our system, and for that simple fact ALONE he is deserving of a contract, not something crazy, but maybe more than what the Texans offered him initially.
As a nation, we pay more and care more about professional sports than we do educating our children. When teachers make more money and have better facilities and smaller classes than is the case today, then maybe I'll care about cry baby professional sports players.
Sorry if that offends anyone, but the salaries of professional sports players compared to other necessary jobs in our society makes me sick. It shows our twisted priorities as a society.
And don't forget, ALL of them make this kind of money because they get to play in taxpayer-funded stadiums. What other industry has cities building the facilities that let's them make this kind of money? Think of the jobs created if the city/county were willing to build a manufacturing center for IBM or other companies.I get that, but why exclude the owners? They can be as capitalistic as they want and rake in money hand over fist, but the players can't?
This is really a first for this organization. Other than AJ and pehaps Pitts--oh, yeah, and Carr--this is really the first time the team has had a player who, at the end of his rookie deal, was clearly in position to demand a hefty raise, and now we've got a number of those guys. This is what happens.Not that simple... what about Pitts, Walter, DRob, R.Butler... not to mention Slaton will be do a renegotiation soon, Bennett will be a RFA after the season, along with Diles and Jacoby Jones.
The organization has to handle this season very carefully. Because the '06 off-season was so good, what happens with that group of players will determine how successfully the franchise moves forward. Giving too much to those guys means trouble in the near future.
Cities and counties make deals with large corporations all the time. Tax breaks, land and other perks are given as incentives to bring factories or corporate headquarters to a location is routine fare. They are not as public discussed and obvious as stadiums, but far from unusual.And don't forget, ALL of them make this kind of money because they get to play in taxpayer-funded stadiums. What other industry has cities building the facilities that let's them make this kind of money? Think of the jobs created if the city/county were willing to build a manufacturing center for IBM or other companies.
This country's obsession with entertainment is scary.