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You're on the clock as Texans GM

As Texans GM/HC what do you do with 1.1 in 2023

  • Draft QB, Bryce Young as franchise QB?

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Draft QB Bryce Young with intent of sitting him and trading him 2024 for multiple future draft pick?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Draft Edge Rusher, Will Anderson?

    Votes: 4 11.1%

  • Draft Dl, Jalen Carter?

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • Trade back for a min. of 2 1st RD draft picks and (2) day two picks, present of future?

    Votes: 21 58.3%

  • Other (explain)

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
Lucky said:
$35 million/year
Geno Smith
Trading away a shot at a franchise QB

None of that makes a lick of sense to me.
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How much money is enough? What kind of qb would rather go with a crappie team for more money or go with a better team for less money?

Going from $1.2M (base salary) to $35M is quite a jump. If Seattle stays at 1/2, they'll likely pass and draft a qb.

If he's looking for that kind of money, it would be lunacy for the Texans to pursue. But it would be great for a team like, maybe, the Panthers, to bite.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If this is how the Texans would help ensure Young’s success…..why not do this for Mills first.

Mills success has been predicated on making the current offense successful this year and last, but this offense wouldn’t be good enough for the next QB the team invests in, b/c it would hamper his chances of being successful. See what I’m saying?

Again, the good Mills -when seen- has shown the ability to be pretty impressive, even with his limited reps on the field of play since HS. I’ve seen enough good to have no fear in beefing up the offense around him so his good plays become more consistent……this is what a complete rebuild goes through…..growth.
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I am tempted to go this route. I'd like to see Mills one more season with an offensive draft. But I am thinking that Young would be a serious upgrade in processing, arm talent and mobility. Lots of time between now and April.
 
badboy said:
you think fans are angry now, 2024 sucking would cause lots more bad PR. What minimal time I spend on sports radio all I hear is lovey and Pep must go.
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Crane was in this exact situation.

He let Luhnow do the right thing and didn't let the media/crowd noise affect his decision. The results speak for themselves. Sometimes the right decisions are the hardest ones to make.

Do I think Cal will make the right decision? Nope, but I guess there's always a 1st time. It would show me that Cal's not like his daddy and that would make me feel much better about where this franchise is headed.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If this is how the Texans would help ensure Young’s success…..why not do this for Mills first.

Mills success has been predicated on making the current offense successful this year and last, but this offense wouldn’t be good enough for the next QB the team invests in, b/c it would hamper his chances of being successful. See what I’m saying?

Again, the good Mills -when seen- has shown the ability to be pretty impressive, even with his limited reps on the field of play since HS. I’ve seen enough good to have no fear in beefing up the offense around him so his good plays become more consistent……this is what a complete rebuild goes through…..growth.
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Some posters dont want to go through the rebuild process and think a QB will solve the Texans problems on offense. (It wont.) Guess what even with a new QB the Texans will still have to go through the rebuild process whether these posters like it or not.
 
steelbtexan said:
Some posters dont want to go through the rebuild process and think a QB will solve the Texans problems on offense. (It wont.) Guess what even with a new QB the Texans will still have to go through the rebuild process whether these posters like it or not.
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I'm all for the rebuild process. I just wish it would have started in 2021 instead of 2023 (hopefully).
 
ghostlight said:
how do you know we don't go 1-15 in 23 but you are correct in that who ever is at #1 will take Caleb
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Of course I don't know but if we go 1 and 15 And assuming the other Game you do not mention is a tie, Cal needs to fire everyone as he should after 2022 season. I don't see another 1 win season.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If this is how the Texans would help ensure Young’s success…..why not do this for Mills first.

Mills success has been predicated on making the current offense successful this year and last, but this offense wouldn’t be good enough for the next QB the team invests in, b/c it would hamper his chances of being successful. See what I’m saying?

Again, the good Mills -when seen- has shown the ability to be pretty impressive, even with his limited reps on the field of play since HS. I’ve seen enough good to have no fear in beefing up the offense around him so his good plays become more consistent……this is what a complete rebuild goes through…..growth.
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I disagree that Mills success has been predicated only on making offense successful.
I have seen no growth in Mills although I earnestly wanted to. An occasional good play or decision is not growth. I am done with the "well those around are not good, coaching, and so forth." I understand that you and others think differently but he has had opportunities to show he is better than 2021 and did not and those opportunities had nothing to do with play calling/teammates. We must improve areas for our future franchise QB no matter whom but I do not want that to be Mills.
 
Number19 said:
How much money is enough? What kind of qb would rather go with a crappie team for more money or go with a better team for less money?

Going from $1.2M (base salary) to $35M is quite a jump. If Seattle stays at 1/2, they'll likely pass and draft a qb.

If he's looking for that kind of money, it would be lunacy for the Texans to pursue. But it would be great for a team like, maybe, the Panthers, to bite.
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If Seattle lets Geno go early, I would think he would not get anywhere near $35 m and that would up my interest in him. I continue to see Seattle primarily interested in Young over Stroud and we could take advantage of that.
 
badboy said:
If Seattle lets Geno go early, I would think he would not get anywhere near $35 m and that would up my interest in him. I continue to see Seattle primarily interested in Young over Stroud and we could take advantage of that.
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Definitely. Young should be the ideal longterm replacement for Wilson. Seattle should be drooling to get him.
 
Texian said:
How do you know? There is still a sucker born every minute. Desperate people do desperate things. If you end up drafting Caleb Williams what do you care? Worst case scenario you end up with Young. 30 years ago Johnson created his NFL trade value chart and they are still using it today.
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Teams really aren't using that chart for the most part. I've spoken with quite a few gms at the senior bowl and have been told so. There are still elements of it in use, but its not the same.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Is Caserio on thin ice, or is that just the narrative around these parts?

Seems like a lot of hoping around here, from Lovie and staff getting fired. To Caserio getting fired. To drafting an overrated QB that has proven he makes questionable decisions both on and off the field. To drafting a midget.

Some posters (Not directed at you) SMH.
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I don't think anyone knows, I'm just laying the breadcrumbs of what happens when you have possibly a lame duck coach and a gm on possible thin ice. Again, if they fire Pep, and I'm not here to say he should or shouldn't, but you run the high risk of not getting a young innovative mind to orchestrate the offense. Why? Because the head coach is on thin ice and possibly the gm. If the Texans are going to fire coaches, they should just fire everyone and start over like SF did post Harbaugh.
 
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JB said:
Head coaches are fired every year and are replaced. Just because a coach is fired does not mean GM is on thin ice
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If you fire 2 head coaches in 2 years and the team suck, as a gm, you're on thin ice. You remember the 49ers post harbaugh?
 
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You have to go QB. Whatever the best one is, you take him. It was tank for Stroud/Young last year, now it is tank for Williams. This is your best chance to grab a franchise QB. Use all of your other draft picks to build up the team.

The team isn't trotting out Davis Mills again, no matter how much his weird fanboys think they will.
 
leebigeztx said:
I don't think anyone knows, I'm just laying the breadcrumbs of what happens when you have possibly a lame duck coach and a gm on possible thin ice. Again, if they fire Pep, and I'm not here to say he should or shouldn't, but you run the high risk of not getting a young innovative mind to orchestrate the offense. Why? Because the head coach is on thin ice and possibly the gm. If the Texans are going to fire coaches, they should just fire everyone and start over like SF did post Harbaugh.
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I think Reich would take the job.
 
The1ApplePie said:
You have to go QB. Whatever the best one is, you take him. It was tank for Stroud/Young last year, now it is tank for Williams. This is your best chance to grab a franchise QB. Use all of your other draft picks to build up the team.

The team isn't trotting out Davis Mills again, no matter how much his weird fanboys think they will.
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I didn't like last yrs QB class either. You don't have to trot out Mills if you don't use 1-1 on a QB.
 
steelbtexan said:
If he hired those HC's you would be correct.
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So the Cal/Nick post season conversation goes like this?

Cal: Nick, those were my head coaching choices. I screwed up.
Nick: Yeah, you did.
Cal: My bad. I'll tell the media this is all on me and you had no responsibility.
Nick: Damn straight you will.
Cal: And you get to pick the next head coach. I'll just play some video games I got for Christmas.
Nick: Hell, yeah.
 
Lucky said:
So the Cal/Nick post season conversation goes like this?

Cal: Nick, those were my head coaching choices. I screwed up.
Nick: Yeah, you did.
Cal: My bad. I'll tell the media this is all on me and you had no responsibility.
Nick: Damn straight you will.
Cal: And you get to pick the next head coach. I'll just play some video games I got for Christmas.
Nick: Hell, yeah.
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Hopefully he simply asks Caserio who his pick for HC is and then Cal hires that guy.

Cal doesn't have to tell the media crap.
 
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badboy said:
I disagree that Mills success has been predicated only on making offense successful.
I have seen no growth in Mills although I earnestly wanted to. An occasional good play or decision is not growth. I am done with the "well those around are not good, coaching, and so forth." I understand that you and others think differently but he has had opportunities to show he is better than 2021 and did not and those opportunities had nothing to do with play calling/teammates. We must improve areas for our future franchise QB no matter whom but I do not want that to be Mills.
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Spot on!!! I've seen enough of Mills to know that he is a decent X's & O's QB but can't consistently make plays. This is the reason I voted for taking Bryce Young 1.1. He has all of the qualities you want in a QB that Mills doesn't - playmaking, moxy, mojo, leadership, etc... The only advantage Mills has over Young is size.

I would also be OK with Stroud at 1.1. I became of fan of Stroud when I saw his back story and when he dissed Desmond Howard at the Heisman ceremony.

The point is we have the opportunity to take the best QB in a draft class that has 2 highly regarded QB's available. I expect the organization to do their Due Diligence and select the best QB for the future with the first overall pick. We will have enough draft capital and cap money to fill in several key areas of need with picks and FA's.
 
Man, this reminds me of when we had the first pick and people were going on and on about do we draft Burrow or trade down and get someone else?
I am very happy we took Burrow #1 overall, but when viewing with 20/20 lenses, it's arguable we should have traded down and took another QB later.
That being said, there's no telling if the other QB options would have had the same level of success in our system.

Regarding the Texans, I've mentioned here many times that I believe in the philosophy of, "If you don't have a franchise QB, you try to get one".
So with that thought, the Texans should take one of either Young or Stroud and make their stand with them. It no longer cripples a team to get it wrong.

I really enjoy the draft, although 99% of the talk leading up to it is useless. I also really enjoy playing around with the mock draft websites.
For example, I routinely go to the pro football network simulator and draft as the Texans because you can make trades on that one.

Earlier, I had the Lions offer to trade up to the #1 pick from #4 and they were targeting CJ Stroud.
I accepted the trade offer and got the Lions #4, #15, #46 and #60 this year, along with their 1st round pick in 2024.
Here's how the draft fell from there for only 3 rounds, as I start to get lost on players beyond that at this point in the season.

#4- Bryce Young, QB, Alabama- The teams at 2 and 3 didn't need a QB and I went ahead and took Young, pairing him up with Metchie from college together.
#12 (From Cleveland)- Quentin Johnston, WR, TCU- Give Young another BIG receiver and playmaker.
#15- Tyree Wilson, DE, Texas Tech- I don't think much needs to be said in adding a high end talent at the DE position.
#32 (Miami forfeit their 1st rounder)- Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah- Yet another playmaker to make life easier on Young.
#46- Siaki Ika, DT, Baylor- Running mate for Wilson, who is a monster of a man (6'4, 350lbs) and is disruptive in the backfield.
#60- Tommy Eichenberg- Highest rated LB and thought some help there wouldn't hurt. (Confession... total homer pick as I love this kid)
#64- Brandon Joseph, S, Notre Dame- I really like this kid at the safety spot and add some help to the secondary.
#73- Mechi Gardner, CB, LSU- A taller CB prospect to add to the competition, although I just missed on the Center from Minnesota there.

Mind you, I'm not saying this is anywhere near a reality, but it does give perspective at what "COULD" be had should they decide to trade down.
AGAIN, I'm not saying this is what SHOULD happen. It's just fun to play around with it.
 
Number19 said:
Definitely. Young should be the ideal longterm replacement for Wilson. Seattle should be drooling to get him.
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Do you think that Seattle would give more than pick 2 and 33 for Young? Perhaps swapping their round 3 with our second round 3?

Seattle 1.1 and 3.75 ish

Texans 1.2 +2.33 + 3.33
 
leebigeztx said:
Teams really aren't using that chart for the most part. I've spoken with quite a few gms at the senior bowl and have been told so. There are still elements of it in use, but its not the same.
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My thoughts also as I think it has always been simply another tool.
 
Lucky said:
So the Cal/Nick post season conversation goes like this?

Cal: Nick, those were my head coaching choices. I screwed up.
Nick: Yeah, you did.
Cal: My bad. I'll tell the media this is all on me and you had no responsibility.
Nick: Damn straight you will.
Cal: And you get to pick the next head coach. I'll just play some video games I got for Christmas.
Nick: Hell, yeah.
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Or..

Cal: Nick I know they were my choices. I screwed up but hey, I'm the boss so I'm firing you and telling media it was your fault. I'm choosing next head coach and your replacement also. Go spend your millions.

It's good to be a multi millionaire but really good to be a multi BILLIONAIRE.
 
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badboy said:
Do you think that Seattle would give more than pick 2 and 33 for Young? Perhaps swapping their round 3 with our second round 3?

Seattle 1.1 and 3.75 ish

Texans 1.2 +2.33 + 3.33
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I've been influenced some by Lucky's history of 1/1 trading. It would depend on who ends up at #3 and #4, and the chances of one of these leapfrogging to the #1 spot; and whether the Texans are bluffing. If the Texans are trying for that little bit extra and don't have a strong offer from that second team???
 
Texansphan said:
It shouldn't be.
Bring a vet in, draft a QB (preferably not with the first pick) and let the rook ride the pine to learn and adjust.
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…..that’s like code for QB- Hendon Hooker (TN) being picked in RD2 in my book.

I actually liked Hendon Hooker more than any other QB in the upcoming draft, before his injury. Sign a veteran QB, let Mills compete, and Hendon gets the season to rehabilitate his knee while learning the intricacies of the NFL and the Texans playbook.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
If this is how the Texans would help ensure Young’s success…..why not do this for Mills first.

Mills success has been predicated on making the current offense successful this year and last, but this offense wouldn’t be good enough for the next QB the team invests in, b/c it would hamper his chances of being successful. See what I’m saying?

Again, the good Mills -when seen- has shown the ability to be pretty impressive, even with his limited reps on the field of play since HS. I’ve seen enough good to have no fear in beefing up the offense around him so his good plays become more consistent……this is what a complete rebuild goes through…..growth.
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Mills definitely needs help. Beef up the running game to be a real threat to any team, and give him a better line and receivers. If you want a championship team, this is a priority. Plus a solid D.
 
rmartin65 said:
How?
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5 Year CFB Veteran / 6-4 @ 220 lbs / Dual Threat QB

2021 - 2022 STATS

CMPATTCMP%YDSAVGTDINTLNGRTG
22932969.63,1359.527278175.5
20630268.22,9459.831375182.0

What is Hendon Hooker's major? What does he study?
Before transferring to Tennessee, Hooker graduated from Virginia Tech in December 2020 with an undergraduate degree in public relations.

He is currently pursuing a master's degree in agricultural leadership, education and communication at University of Tennessee's Knoxville campus.

Hendon seems to have a lot of positive publicity, which wouldn't be a horrible thing to bank on.....even if the Texans had to wait a season to cash in those chips.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
5 Year CFB Veteran / 6-4 @ 220 lbs / Dual Threat QB

2021 - 2022 STATS

CMPATTCMP%YDSAVGTDINTLNGRTG
22932969.63,1359.527278175.5
20630268.22,9459.831375182.0
What is Hendon Hooker's major? What does he study?

Before transferring to Tennessee, Hooker graduated from Virginia Tech in December 2020 with an undergraduate degree in public relations.

He is currently pursuing a master's degree in agricultural leadership, education and communication at University of Tennessee's Knoxville campus.

Hendon seems to have a lot of positive publicity, which wouldn't be a horrible thing to bank on.....even if the Texans had to wait a season to cash in those chips.
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He's a nice guy with a good story, just like Tebow. He also plays in an offense not at all conducive to a traditional NFL offense... just like Tebow.

I just don't see it with Hooker. The tools are good, but not OMG good. He's going to be a very old rookie, and with this knee injury, it is going to be even longer before he gets meaningful snaps against NFL defenses. And he's going to need those snaps in practice and pre-season, because that offense is not preparing him for an NFL D. Seems like a lot of risk for good-but-not great attributes, but we'll see, I guess.
 
Toro Bravo said:
Spot on!!! I've seen enough of Mills to know that he is a decent X's & O's QB but can't consistently make plays. This is the reason I voted for taking Bryce Young 1.1. He has all of the qualities you want in a QB that Mills doesn't - playmaking, moxy, mojo, leadership, etc... The only advantage Mills has over Young is size.

I would also be OK with Stroud at 1.1. I became of fan of Stroud when I saw his back story and when he dissed Desmond Howard at the Heisman ceremony.

The point is we have the opportunity to take the best QB in a draft class that has 2 highly regarded QB's available. I expect the organization to do their Due Diligence and select the best QB for the future with the first overall pick. We will have enough draft capital and cap money to fill in several key areas of need with picks and FA's.
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I have traded down twice with Detroit, they take Stroud, next couple picks are defense and both times got Bryce. I just cannot see that happening in the real world, but Detroit does like their close to home boys
 
OptimisticTexan said:
About (3) new investments.

Peter Skoronski Northwestern)
John Michael-Schmitz (Minnesota)
Cody Mauch (North Dakota State)
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I like all of those investments, but the OL has been decent the second half of the season.

I also like O’Cyrus Torrence (Florida) and C Olusegun Oluwatimi (Michigan).

I think we need to prioritize C, and there are several a can choose from in this draft. We will see Michael-Schmitz, Mauch, Torrence, and Oluwatimi at the Senior Bowl and can evaluate how well they perform.
 
TexansFan15 said:
I like all of those investments, but the OL has been decent the second half of the season.

I also like O’Cyrus Torrence (Florida) and C Olusegun Oluwatimi (Michigan).

I think we need to prioritize C, and there are several a can choose from in this draft. We will see Michael-Schmitz, Mauch, Torrence, and Oluwatimi at the Senior Bowl and can evaluate how well they perform.
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I like Avilia in 2nd or 3rd and they're going to have to coach up someone at the other guard. You can't keep dumping resources on the oline. The oline has been fine except when Green has been manhandled because of injury, I guess.
 
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