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Good info and insight.
Looks like I'll be rethinking things.
Oh me too and in huge way.. is he contract extension playing as some players have done? Is it just fortuitous? Is he just having a crazy good year? Risky but isn't each player we've discussed? I like everything about him except the $ to get him but that is easily doable and I wasn't anticipating spending much in FA so why not. Young or Stroud or a maybe Caleb two drafts away? Pulling a QB from Seattle and perhaps forcing them to trade a significant package to us would be sweet and good for Texans image; plus showing Smith that plan surrounding him with young good talent and an opportunity to go deep in playoffs could cancel the allure of extending with Seahawks.
I can see it also but rare is the mock or comment that has Lions not going after another QB. I have seen that he remains his last two contract years but Lions still draft a QB which could be ideal for team. As I said when comparing him to Carr, his stats don't take the Lions anywhere-- my issue with Dak also. Seattle most likely extends Geno and uses draft to improve other areas. One mock I think I linked had Seattle trading up to get Anderson.
You select a QB then ignore OC, RG, chance that Cooks will be gone or throwing a tantrum, no side kick to help Pearce?
Would you have traded what we received for DW to get him? It is what the other NFL GMs would do and we constantly see trades being done or at least offered that we would not have done. The Hershel Walker trade that everyone points to stunned the NFL world but it did happen. It is obvious by just reading or listening to all outside of this MB that most have Young and Stroud going high and most at 1. I am not a Jalen Carter fan nor would I draft him but I'd be silly to think an NFL team would not trade up to get him. Same with Anderson.
Nor should he as he is keeping our QB clean for most part allowing only one sack this season. Perhaps Howard is locking in the right side? That would be huge.
How many of those 16 were teams selecting QB that didn't need one?
2022 there was no QB to trade up for and pass rushers were Walker, Hutchinson and Thibodeaux. Even my guy Jermaine Johnson went late round 1 so why would anyone trade up?
you guaranteeing Caleb will be where we draft?
Do you mean how many teams that had the number 1 pick and traded down didn't think they needed a QB?
I'm going to be honest here. I don't understand what you're saying.
no but in 24 we would have the picks to trade up for a sure thing
Thing is, teams may gamble Texans will take a QB at #1 so why would they need to trade up for Carter or Anderson with us? They may trade for the #2 overall.
First, it's going to depend on which teams are slotted where. Second, it's all about creating uncertainty.
I can understand your thought process there, but what you actually said was that if the Texans thought they could and did draft Young then they needed to draft all defense.
Houston has to be able to create doubt about which way they will go. I'd love to see them trade down a time or two and load up on picks
Jimmy Johnson used a 1st rd pick to draft Steve Walsh because he knew he could trade him for more the next year. And he did, he got 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Walsh.
I said my first choice is to trade 1.1 and if you’re unable to do that at fair value, then you could draft Young. Working on the avatar, in due time.
No.. 16 teams drafted QB #1 and I'm guessing they needed one so there wouldn't be a trade down.
You sure?
I suggested signing Geno Smith by offering $35m avg plus showing him we will use our current picks plus what we get from trade with his former team Seattle who desperately need QB to build around him. Perhaps bringing his OC as our head coach?
Bears need inside pressure not Anderson and should not trade from 2 as locked into Jalen Carter. If we sign Geno Smith no one will think we take QB at 1.
That was 30 yrs ago, it's not the same
Well yeah but Mills of those four only one I expect to be on roster. If you see 1.1 in 2024 with Lovie/Pep don't you think Cal does? He has someone listening to the voices of the fans or momma does.
I think meals will be the only one on Payroll next year of those 4. If you see Houston at 1.1 in 2024 don't you think Cal does? He or his mother has an ear out to the community no matter what people say here about them.
Evaluators aren't looking at CJ Stroud losing games and determining his draft status off that. They already have their evaluation of him from his body of work. I mean did we not see Peyton Manning lose every big game college? A college winner isn't as important as the overall tools and talent of the qb prospect.
Well yeah but Mills of those four only one I expect to be on roster. If you see 1.1 in 2024 with Lovie/Pep don't you think Cal does? He has someone listening to the voices of the fans or momma does.
That's what I have been saying. Throw in an even more desperate Carolina who might be willing to make a Cleveland offer for 1.1. Many thought their owner wanted Watson just didn't want to guarantee the contract.
The problem you have with a partial cleaning is this, a quality oc doesn't want to come here with the coach and gm on the brink of being fired. If Texans fire Pep and keep Lovie, that oc know Lovie and maybe the gm is next. That's even true with firing Lovie and keeping Caserio. The new head coach would know Caserio is on thin ice and if he's fired, the new gm is going to want his own guy. The best thing to do in my opinion is keep all 3 or fire all 3. Hire a gm and let him bring his staff and make the picks. That way, you take the uncertainty out of it.
You are not reading the same I am. Also I do not see Stroud having the same spiff as Manning coming out of school plus the Archie Manning thing.
Head coaches are fired every year and are replaced. Just because a coach is fired does not mean GM is on thin ice
How do you know? There is still a sucker born every minute. Desperate people do desperate things. If you end up drafting Caleb Williams what do you care? Worst case scenario you end up with Young. 30 years ago Johnson created his NFL trade value chart and they are still using it today.
29 million for starting caliber QB not what it use to be, so they they stay on the Goff train.
Suck for Luck...
Oh God no.
Yeah, that was a horrible deal for Dallas. Jimmy took Walsh in the supplemental draft. Could have had the #1 pick the following year and either traded the pick for more, or taken Cortez Kennedy or Junior Seau.
Horrible deal? Woulda, coulda, shoulda. They coulda of drafted Jeff George too. They did draft, HOF Emmitt Smith, in that draft. Johnson used the 3rd RD pick to draft Erik Williams in 1991, who played for the Cowboys for 10 years, has 3 Super Bowl rings, 3X All-Pro, and 4X Pro Bowl. If not for injuries suffered in a 94' car crash he would probably be in the HOF. He packaged the 1st and 2nd RD picks to move up to the #1 pick in 1991 (so Johnson still had a 2nd #1 pick in the draft) to pick Russell Maryland, 3 Super Bowl rings and, a pro bowl. So Johnson used the Walsh trade to add an all-pro Offensive and Defensive lineman with 6 Super Bowl rings between them. Not too shabby.
how do you know we don't go 1-15 in 23 but you are correct in that who ever is at #1 will take Caleb
To correct and clarify the cap savings cutting Goff is $20 not 29 typo.
you think fans are angry now, 2024 sucking would cause lots more bad PR. What minimal time I spend on sports radio all I hear is lovey and Pep must go.
Okay Why not?
$35 million/year
" There is absolutely no way a GM would trade 3 1st round picks for Deshaun Watson!"
YES SIR!!!