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This is a tough call at this point. We've got some pretty epic battles going on: at RB, at WR, Trindon, LB. Even Beck made a pretty good argument for making the squad in that first game.
Notable Practice Squad players: Megget, Keenum, Louiseau, Keo, Pleasant, Mondek, Mario Louis, Logan Brock
QB Matt Schaub - T.J. Yates - John Beck
RB Arian Foster - Ben Tate - Justin Forsett
FB James Casey - -
TE Owen Daniels - Garrett Graham -
LT Duane Brown - Andrew Gardner -
LG Wade Smith - Kasey Studdard -
C Chris Myers - Ben Jones -
RG Antoine Caldwell - Brandon Brooks -
RT Rashad Butler - Derek Newton -
WR1 Andre Johnson - Keshawn Martin - Lestar Jean
WR2 Kevin Walter - DeVier Posey - Trindon Holliday
DE J.J. Watt - Tim Jamison -
DT Shaun Cody - Earl Mitchell - Ra'Shon Harris
DE Antonio Smith - Jared Crick -
SLB Brooks Reed - Bryan Braman - Jesse Nading
ILB Brian Cushing - Mister Alexander -
ILB Bradie James - Tim Dobbins -
WLB Connor Barwin - Whitney Mercilus -
LCB Kareem Jackson - Alan Ball - Brandon Harris
RCB Johnathan Joseph - Brice McCain -
SS Danieal Manning - Quintin Demps -
FS Glover Quin - Troy Nolan -
LS Jon Weeks
K Randy Bullock
P Dahnte Jones
Offense: 25
Defense: 25
Special Teams: 3
Total: 53
Practice squad
1 QB Case Keenum
2 SS Shiloh Keo
3 WR Jeff Maehl
4 RB Jonathan Grimes
5 CB Roc Carmichael
6 OT Nick Mondek
7 OG Thomas Austin
8 LB Shawn Loiseau
Believe Keo was on the active roster for too many games (10) last year to be ps eligible.
Keenum makes the 53-man over Beck.
If Schaub is healthy, Beck can be released. He's not a valuable asset to anyone else. If Schaub is injured during the regular season, Beck will still be on the street for re-hire. You put Keenum on the practice squad, and he will be a Packer or Viking, etc. etc.
Everyone has seen two years of Beck and knows what his limits are when the excrement hits the impeller (and you're in a regular season game). Keenum, at this point, has a much higher "potential" ceiling..
TJ
Keenum makes the 53-man over Beck.
If Schaub is healthy, Beck can be released. He's not a valuable asset to anyone else. If Schaub is injured during the regular season, Beck will still be on the street for re-hire. You put Keenum on the practice squad, and he will be a Packer or Viking, etc. etc.
Everyone has seen two years of Beck and knows what his limits are when the excrement hits the impeller (and you're in a regular season game). Keenum, at this point, has a much higher "potential" ceiling..
TJ
I'm not sure teams see him as having a high ceiling. He was'nt drafted. If some team has an injury or two at qb you don't go and get the undrafted rookie, you go after the mediocre backup with some experience.
Keenum had other offers as an UDFA and chose the Texans.
I didn't see anyone other than us clamouring for Beck.
You only put Keenum on the practice squad if you think he can't play, because if you do -- he's gone..
TJ
Case Keenum will not be on a 53 man roster in week 1.
There is another financial aspect here. Beck has enough years in the league such that if he is on the roster on day 1 then his full salary becomes guaranteed. Hire him on day 2 and nothing is guaranteed.
I wonder if we could save a roster spot by teaching Ben Jones-C to do the long snapping.
At this point, though, I think Beck's got a better control of the offense than Keenum. Keenum's going to have to kill it to make the 53. I expect him to go to the PS.
Keenum had other offers as an UDFA and chose the Texans.
I didn't see anyone other than us clamouring for Beck.
You only put Keenum on the practice squad if you think he can't play, because if you do -- he's gone..
TJ
I don't agree with that. I think udfa and late round qb's are among the least likely to get poached off of practice squads.
Not too many teams are going to take an undrafted qb they have to put on their 53 man roster that has not spent any time in their system and doesn't know anything about their playbook.
Well, he won't get poached to start, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Titans pick him up in week 3 so he can tell them all of our secrets on offense.
Doubtful.
The texans love the long snappers consistency. He gets the ball back fast and accurately.
Plus if I'm not mistaken they just quietly re upped him.
The LS is here to stay.
I need to see more from Keenum to make that connection. That would seem logical as beck is a vet and has played in a similar situation, but Keenum only threw 3 passes and connected on 2 of them for about 30 yards.
To me, beck looks like a wild horse out there.
I need to see more from Keenum to make that connection. That would seem logical as beck is a vet and has played in a similar situation, but Keenum only threw 3 passes and connected on 2 of them for about 30 yards.
To me, beck looks like a wild horse out there.
His first pass was an incompletion and looked like he was just anxious.
The two completions were on the money and looked like a QB who was decisive and deadly accurate.
The way he sold the play action bootleg was, well...it was THE best sales job of play action I've ever seen. His balance, mobility, head movement as he swung around, it was perfect...and the blitzing defender fell for it hardcore.
I thought Case played rather poorly, but then again I didn't go to U of H. He dropped back, what 7 times? Threw 3 times, ran it twice and got sacked twice. Both of his completions were less than 10 yards from the LOS. Nothing really compelling IMO. P-squad material, let him develop this year and give him a shot at the #3 spot next year.
So if the season started right now, I think Kubiak would go with 3 QBs on the roster. He'd choose the 3 guys he thinks knows the offense best. He'd stash Case on the PS so he could get more time to work on his fundamentals and more time to learn the offense.
Whenever anyone starts talking about a rookie QB giving the best play action fake EVAR, you can be pretty sure that they're over-reacting and possibly seeing the kid through rose-colored glasses. When you really, really want some guy to be great, it's easy to let your heart work its way into your eyes. And I think some of us are doing that with both TJ and Case.
They've both got the potential to be great QBs but they've both got a long way to go.
For me at this moment in time, Beck knows this offense better than Case does. He probably knows some of it better than TJ does because he's been in a variation of it for a few years now and has had more time in it. That doesn't mean he's a better QB than TJ or Case, just that he knows the offense. And with Kubiak, that means a helluva lot.
So if the season started right now, I think Kubiak would go with 3 QBs on the roster. He'd choose the 3 guys he thinks knows the offense best. He'd stash Case on the PS so he could get more time to work on his fundamentals and more time to learn the offense.
I thought Case played rather poorly, but then again I didn't go to U of H. He dropped back, what 7 times? Threw 3 times, ran it twice and got sacked twice. Both of his completions were less than 10 yards from the LOS. Nothing really compelling IMO. P-squad material, let him develop this year and give him a shot at the #3 spot next year.
Offense (25)
QB Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, John Beck
RB Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Justin Forsett
FB James Casey, Moran Norris
TE Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham
T Duane Brown, Rashad Butler, Derek Newton
G Wade Smith, Antoine Caldwell, Brandon Brooks, Shelley Smith
C Chris Myers, Ben Jones
WR Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, Keshawn Martin, Lestar Jean, DeVier Posey, Trindon Holliday
Defense (25)
DE Antonio Smith, JJ Watt, Tim Jamison, Jared Crick
NT Shaun Cody, Earl Mitchell, RaShon Harris
OLB Conner Barwin, Brooks Reed, Whitney Mercilus, Bryan Braman
ILB Brian Cushing, Bradie James, Tim Dobbins, Mister Alexander
CB Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain, Brandon Harris, Roc Carmichael
S Danieal Manning, Glover Quin, Quintin Demps, Troy Nolan, Shiloh Keo
Special Teams (3)
LS Jon Weeks
K Randy Bullock
P Dahnte Jones
I think the undernoted strength of this team is how athletic theyll be on special teams.
PUP List Brett Hartmann, Darryl Sharpton (takes Keos spot upon return)
IR Stash TBD
Practice Squad
Case Keenum
Jonathan Grimes
Logan Brock
Nick Mondek
Jeff Maehl
Shawn Loiseau
Torri Williams
Hebron Fangupo
Right now, I've got Beck ahead of Keenum.
Prior to TC, I said that Beck only gets on the 53 if Keenum either stinks it up OR Matt goes down.
At this point, though, I think Beck's got a better control of the offense than Keenum. Keenum's going to have to kill it to make the 53. I expect him to go to the PS.
I tend to agree. I was trying to put my HC Kubiak hat on. I can see Case being the third as well but Kubiak stated he was pleased with the way Beck played. A couple of weeks from now we'll know. 2 1/2 weeks, tops.
I'm not sure teams see him as having a high ceiling. He was'nt drafted. If some team has an injury or two at qb you don't go and get the undrafted rookie, you go after the mediocre backup with some experience.
Eh...it's just a gut instinct. Nobody thought TJ Yates would be leading a scoring drive to win the AFC South, on the road at Cincy, either. And a playoff victory at home. And almost a trip to the Conference Title Game. TJ was on nobody's radar, not even here on this mb. And anybody who says so is lying. LOL.
TJ and Case are both very young guys. Case Keenum took snaps in his very first NFL game vs. the Panther and, dare I say, he looked better than a guy like Kevin Kolb has who might not even be the starter in Arizona in what is like his third year or so in the NFL.
Out of all four QBs we have, I would want to cut Beck the most. Might as well go with youth; with someone who is a clean slate instead of a journeyman QB.
Offense (25)
QB – Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, John Beck
RB – Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Justin Forsett
FB – James Casey, Moran Norris
TE – Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham
T – Duane Brown, Rashad Butler, Derek Newton
G – Wade Smith, Antoine Caldwell, Brandon Brooks, Shelley Smith
C – Chris Myers, Ben Jones
WR – Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter, Keshawn Martin, Lestar Jean, DeVier Posey, Trindon Holliday
Defense (25)
DE – Antonio Smith, JJ Watt, Tim Jamison, Jared Crick
NT – Shaun Cody, Earl Mitchell, Ra’Shon Harris
OLB – Conner Barwin, Brooks Reed, Whitney Mercilus, Bryan Braman
ILB – Brian Cushing, Bradie James, Tim Dobbins, Mister Alexander
CB – Johnathan Joseph, Kareem Jackson, Brice McCain, Brandon Harris, Roc Carmichael
S – Danieal Manning, Glover Quin, Quintin Demps, Troy Nolan, Shiloh Keo
Special Teams (3)
LS – Jon Weeks
K – Randy Bullock
P – Dahnte Jones
I think the undernoted strength of this team is how athletic they’ll be on special teams.
PUP List – Brett Hartmann, Darryl Sharpton (takes Keo’s spot upon return)
IR Stash – TBD
Practice Squad –
Case Keenum
Jonathan Grimes
Logan Brock
Nick Mondek
Jeff Maehl
Shawn Loiseau
Torri Williams
Hebron Fangupo
Reading the notes from today's presser, I think it's a lock Kubiak hangs on to Keenum. He's very high on the kid.
I don't understand putting Ball on the roster. I get that he's a Wade guy, but he was awful in that last game...
Maybe he turns it around, but I'm more willing to give a spot to an unknown like Carmichael than to a guy I know will be roasted like Ball...
I can understand CB's being beat..That's going to happen...
But Ball looked ridiculous, crazy, silly, sloppy all rolled into one...Bad position, not looking for the ball...
He looked like someone they just grabbed from outside of the stadium and said cover these guys...
Nothing really mind blowing here. Texans only keep 2 QB's. Holliday is cut. Fangupo proves he belongs.
So Keenum doesn't even make the PS? Please explain.
So Keenum doesn't even make the PS? Please explain.