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Go back and count how many times he was held and it wasn't called. I bet you come up with a number bigger then zero.
Go back and count how many times he was held and it wasn't called. I bet you come up with a number bigger then zero.
D-linemen are held on just about every play.
I did see MArio get held pretty bad one time, but he wasn't going to get a sack on that play as he was about 5 yards away from the QB when he released the ball.
D-linemen are held on just about every play.
I did see MArio get held pretty bad one time, but he wasn't going to get a sack on that play as he was about 5 yards away from the QB when he released the ball.
No.
But I don't want to get started on his performance...
I might get attacked by the peanut gallery...
PLAYER__________TKL_____ASST______SCK _____FF
Mario Williams______0________0________0________0
Folks, this isn't good.
Am I expecting too much from this guy?
That doesn't matter it still should be called. A foul is a foul.
That doesn't matter it still should be called. A foul is a foul.
the team is better...but I lurk the Patriots board and see some other successful teams boards...and guess what? They rant against their disappointing players too. Go figure huh?Mario did not do much today, but let's make sure we focus on him given that our team sucks more than ever in the last six years.
Mario did not do much today, but let's make sure we focus on him given that our team sucks more than ever in the last six years.
Fair is fair.
We were playing better than ever when Carr was here too.
If a player suck, I'm not sure why it's a problem for us, as fans, to voice that.
seems you are out of touch with football fans on this one....all the fans hammer their disappointing players on all the teams...just look around. That doesn't make them any lesser fans....just makes them emotional football fans.Just saying that we have a team that actualy may win games this year, so let's make sure we spoil it. Fair seems to be synonmous with lament in Houston, much like UT fans.
Probably. Babin is finally playing well... in his fourth year. Travis is showing signs of progress in his 3rd yr. Some of the talking heads said it would take a DL three yrs to truly "blossom"; maybe they were right for a change.
Yeah well, maybe you should petition the league...
Mario did not do much today, but let's make sure we focus on him given that our team sucks more than ever in the last six years.
seems you are out of touch with football fans on this one....all the fans hammer their disappointing players on all the teams...just look around
Probably. Babin is finally playing well... in his fourth year. Travis is showing signs of progress in his 3rd yr. Some of the talking heads said it would take a DL three yrs to truly "blossom"; maybe they were right for a change.
Maybe I should. It wasn't only Mario Williams that was held. Their entire O-Line was getting away with Offensive Holding on the Texans D-Line almost all game long.
Maybe I should. It wasn't only Mario Williams that was held. Their entire O-Line was getting away with Offensive Holding on the Texans D-Line almost all game long.
I think I am being unfair to Mario when it's really the coaching staff's fault.
Mario is a good football player, but he's being asked to do something he's not suited for.
He's being asked to be THAT guy who provides pressure from the edge, and to date I have not seen anything from Mario's on field performances that suggest he's capable of doing so.
The guy should be playing Strong side DE. Not Weak side, or "RDE" as some would say.
This is impossible. Every Dlinemen is supposed to produce immeidiately like Freeney and Peppers although they are the exception...
Seriously though
I mean Strahan, J.Taylor, Burgess, Vanden Bosch, DEs just take more time. These guys coming out of college are used to just over powering OTs and linemen. Some of them use one move in college, like how Mario had a awesome bullrush in college...well he is finding out that isn't going to work any more. While his speed and strength is a factor he needs more technique, once he gets that he should do well.
Also I didn't see the first drive for the Cardinals. But for Dlinemen in general it is harder to stack up tackles and Sacks are not a easy stat to attain. If 2 sacks and 3 tackles are good game for a DE, why are we expecting him to get this in the PT he's getting in Pre-Season?
That's a "newbie" post if I ever saw one.
But you're not a newbie, so what the hell, man?
you are just as bad labeling people as haters who are just voicing disappointment....I guess that's therapeutic for you as well.Out of touch with the need to hate on someone perhaps, but for the first time there is reason to have optimism due to the product as a whole. Carry on, as the need to hate seems to be therapeutic for some.
Yet we still had some players that were able to get pressure, or atleast show signs of being able to rush the passer.
Imagine that.
you are just as bad labeling people as haters who are just voicing disappointment....I guess that's therapeutic for you as well.
Against players that might not make the Cardinals' roster. By the time I saw the Texans putting pressure on the Cardinals' QB's their best O-Linemen were on the bench.
Just saying that we have a team that actualy may win games this year, so let's make sure we spoil it. Fair seems to be synonmous with lament in Houston, much like UT fans.
But, But, But....They were getting held!
Whatever...
Not trying to defend Mario, but a player similar to his physical attributes, Julius Peppers (who I might add has been in the league a lot longer) put up Mario-type numbers last night.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?season=2007&week=PRE2&game_id=29471
It was interesting to me to see one of the elite pass rushers in the league be a no-show. Though sadly for Mario, Peppers has shown what he can do in the regular season.
Maybe Mario is unmotivated in preseason, maybe he really is a bust, but I find it hard to label him a true bust until after year 3.
Mario did not do squat today, that is a fact in my eyes. Are you saying that he did?
This isn't going to work here man. I have been saying this since last year and especially last week.
I think it is because our fanbase in general is impatient and tired of losing. As I am, so the pressure on Mario is tremendous especially since we skipped on two other phenominal players.
No one wants to wait for the regular season.
Some folks are just looking to throw Mario under the bus, and I think it still goes back to them not getting who they wanted in last years draft.
Let's give him some regular season playing time and see how he's progressed since last year.
We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!
Some folks are just looking to throw Mario under the bus, and I think it still goes back to them not getting who they wanted in last years draft.
Let's give him some regular season playing time and see how he's progressed since last year.
We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!
I mean't that you're not a newbie in that you should know by now how it works around here. If a player sucks, we criticize. That doesn't mean we don't see what the rest of the team is doing, or how well they are doing.
Some folks are just looking to throw Mario under the bus, and I think it still goes back to them not getting who they wanted in last years draft.
Let's give him some regular season playing time and see how he's progressed since last year.
We won the game...both sides of the ball looked good...let's feel good about that!