Why no Foster?

[thunderkyss]

Fine him a game check and make him play, that is a better senario and it hits his pocket book. What if we were playing the Colts and They beat us by a feild goal in the last minute, A lot of you would be sporting the pink soap, I am not saying fire the coach I am saying do not light the fire in the morning, when the rescue ship comes at night. Arian Foster is the Best thing we have in the backfeild, And he screwed up. Fine his arse a game check and I bet he would pay attention just like he did sitting, maybe more. Al you who question me are the first ones to pull out the pink soap when we screw up so STFU

With a fine, it's just Arian & his accountant. His accountant can say, " You know Arian, I can help you find much better uses for your money."

Sitting him, everyone on the team is like, " Foster, what's the deal man? We need you on the field, don't do that crap again. If you need a ride, call me, I'll hook you up. We got lucky... but don't do that crap again."

I like scenario #2 better.

 

[ObsiWan]

Damn. I already repped you for the Epic FacePalm.
WHERE do you FIND these things???

 

[badboy]

Well regardless what we think, it seems Gary handled it just right. Hopefully it will not take another discipline benching. I'm just glad it was against Oakland.

 

[ObsiWan]

Foster has been better than decent. Try to be honest about that.

Foster gets 187 total yards, 2 TDs, and some discipline while the Texans get a road win. It's all good. I just wish that Kubiak had only benched Foster in the 1st quarter last season (rather than keeping him on the PS) when he missed meetings. Maybe the Texans would have made their 1st appearance in the playoffs?

Anyway you look at it, Foster is the best value in professional football. A league leading rusher making the 2nd year vet minimum? I think the Texans (especially in an uncapped year) should be giving this guy a bonus. Because he's the biggest reason why the Texans are sitting with a winning record atop the AFC South. Meetings or not.

No argument here. None at all. Give him his bonus - he's definitely earned it.

But that's not the point we were discussing.

It's the whole, no one is bigger than the team philosophy. Everyone is supposed to make the required meetings, practices, film sessions, etc. on time. Pro Bowlers, Mario, DeMeco, A.J., and Schaub all do. But you're telling me that Foster doesn't have to?? Surely you don't subscribe to the "since I'm a stud, I'm better than the rest of the guys so I don't have to be there like you other slugs" philosophy. That doesn't sound like you.

And I say again, Cowher wouldn't have stood for it either. So to say this is unique to Kubiak is just flat out wrong.

 

[Double Barrel]

Kubiak should have just fired his ass. Think of the message that would have sent to the team!



Hopefully Foster is sincere in his words...this time...and doesn't hold it against the franchise when it's time to talk about a contract.

All this discipline stuff is great...when the team wins. But discipline, in and of itself, does not necessarily equate to winning. I don't blame the coach for making this decision, but hopefully it's the right discipline to motivate this particular player to pull his head out of his butt. We need him to make and win the playoffs.

 

[thunderkyss]

Kubiak should have just fired his ass. Think of the message that would have sent to the team!



Hopefully Foster is sincere in his words...this time...and doesn't hold it against the franchise when it's time to talk about a contract.

All this discipline stuff is great...when the team wins. But discipline, in and of itself, does not necessarily equate to winning. I don't blame the coach for making this decision, but hopefully it's the right discipline to motivate this particular player to pull his head out of his butt. We need him to make and win the playoffs.

What I like about what Kubiak did in this situation, is that just like you, Mario, Demeco, Schaub, Andre, Winston, Walter, Vonta, Pollard.... are all ready to get to the post season. They can ***** & whine & mope & complain all they want, but they know if you screw up, you won't play. This isn't the first time Kubiak has done this.

They know, just like you.. Foster makes their chances of getting to Dallas in February easier. Those guys will be putting pressure on the young'n, & that's one less thing GK will have to worry about.

We got lucky. I'm sure we're not the only ones who understand that.

 

[Rey]

I don't know if it was mentioned earlier in this thread, but Foster was fined in addition to his limited playing time.

 

[drs23]

I don't know if it was mentioned earlier in this thread, but Foster was fined in addition to his limited playing time.

Yeah, Rey, it came up in the presser I think. Anyone know how much $$$?

 

[Texecutioner]

Kudos to Kubiak for sending the message to Foster. I was completely behind his decision once I realized that Foster was sitting out and wasn't hurt. I figured that he had missed meetings or had a bad attitude about something and Kubes was getting a message across to him. Whether he would have played as great as he did in that 2nd half is something we'll never know either way. Foster clearly did get the message though and hopefully learned that missing meetings won't be tolerated and that he won't get any special treatment while having another great game.

I've been pretty tough on Kubes and have never liked him a ton as a HC, but I liked what he did here and he deserves some credit. Nice decision by Kubes.

 

[Rey]

I don't understand people being upset with this.

 

[Lucky]

It's the whole, no one is bigger than the team philosophy. Everyone is supposed to make the required meetings, practices, film sessions, etc. on time. Pro Bowlers, Mario, DeMeco, A.J., and Schaub all do.

We have no idea what the meeting attendence records are for Mario, DeMeco, AJ, or Schaub. We can pretend like we do, and assume that Foster is the only one missing or being late to meetings. But, we don't really know for sure.

Star players are treated differently. Jimmy Johnson has admitted that was the case in Dallas, and I doubt that's much different than the majority of the league. That may not be the case in Houston. We don't really know. What we do know is that we rarely see this type of "punishment" in the NFL. That could mean several things. One, Arian Foster is the only player in the NFL missing meetings. Maybe other NFL teams don't care if players miss meetings? Or, the rest of the league handles this stuff internally.

Kubiak decided to let the football world know that Foster was screwing up by benching him for a quarter. That doesn't make it the right way to handle the situation. Or the wrong way. Just the Kubiak way. I really don't care how he handles it. If he does at all. That's Kubiak's problem. What I care about is if the Texans are winners, playoff participants, and Super Bowl champions.

The Texans won, are winning, and atop their division. That means Kubiak is doing the right thing.

 

[Hardcore Texan]

We have no idea what the meeting attendence records are for Mario, DeMeco, AJ, or Schaub. We can pretend like we do, and assume that Foster is the only one missing or being late to meetings. But, we don't really know for sure.

Star players are treated differently. Jimmy Johnson has admitted that was the case in Dallas, and I doubt that's much different than the majority of the league. That may not be the case in Houston. We don't really know. What we do know is that we rarely see this type of "punishment" in the NFL. That could mean several things. One, Arian Foster is the only player in the NFL missing meetings. Maybe other NFL teams don't care if players miss meetings? Or, the rest of the league handles this stuff internally.

Kubiak decided to let the football world know that Foster was screwing up by benching him for a quarter. That doesn't make it the right way to handle the situation. Or the wrong way. Just the Kubiak way. I really don't care how he handles it. If he does at all. That's Kubiak's problem. What I care about is if the Texans are winners, playoff participants, and Super Bowl champions.

The Texans won, are winning, and atop their division. That means Kubiak is doing the right thing.

I have seen several coaches on several different teams do this exact same thing over the years. I think it's just a coaches way of sending a message, at the end of the day if you love to play football and that's taken away, it works.

The fact that Kubiak blew off the questions in the pressers (as far as I have seen) tells me he wanted to send a message and he kept it internal as possible. He didn't jump at the chance to explain it. Yes the football world now knows he did something to draw the ire of his coach, but no one really knows what went down. I am guessing Kubiak preferred it be handle completely on an internal level but benching your starting RB doesn't go un-noticed.

 

[Texan_Bill]

I have seen several coaches on several different teams do this exact same thing over the years. I think it's just a coaches way of sending a message, at the end of the day if you love to play football and that's taken away, it works.

The fact that Kubiak blew off the questions in the pressers (as far as I have seen) tells me he wanted to send a message and he kept it internal as possible. He didn't jump at the chance to explain it. Yes the football world now knows he did something to draw the ire of his coach, but no one really knows what went down. I am guessing Kubiak preferred it be handle completely on an internal level but benching your starting RB doesn't go un-noticed.

Right, in fact when CBS asked the Texans during the game about Foster, the response was "It was a coaches decision". As in, "we are keeping this internal."

 

[CretorFrigg]

EDIT: Sorry for the double post

 

[CretorFrigg]

We have no idea what the meeting attendence records are for Mario, DeMeco, AJ, or Schaub. We can pretend like we do, and assume that Foster is the only one missing or being late to meetings. But, we don't really know for sure.

Star players are treated differently. Jimmy Johnson has admitted that was the case in Dallas, and I doubt that's much different than the majority of the league. That may not be the case in Houston. We don't really know. What we do know is that we rarely see this type of "punishment" in the NFL. That could mean several things. One, Arian Foster is the only player in the NFL missing meetings. Maybe other NFL teams don't care if players miss meetings? Or, the rest of the league handles this stuff internally.

Kubiak decided to let the football world know that Foster was screwing up by benching him for a quarter. That doesn't make it the right way to handle the situation. Or the wrong way. Just the Kubiak way. I really don't care how he handles it. If he does at all. That's Kubiak's problem. What I care about is if the Texans are winners, playoff participants, and Super Bowl champions.

The Texans won, are winning, and atop their division. That means Kubiak is doing the right thing.

It shouldn't matter who you are. Star player or not, a professional football player should treat his job accordingly. If we make excuses for him, we'll only set a dangerous precedent in the future. Foster needs to be a responsible team player. And if I remember correctly, Foster has a history of missing team meetings which has me a bit concerned -- wasn't that what kept him from getting significant playing time last season?

With that said, I'm still a huge Foster fan. Go Texans!

 

[Lucky]

It shouldn't matter who you are.

It shouldn't matter, in a perfect world. But in the real world (and the NFL), it does matter who you are. Would Big Ben still have a roster spot waiting after the crap he pulled if he were a fringe 3rd stringer?

Arian Foster is now an excellent example. Last year, Foster had a difficult time getting off the practice squad after skipping meetings. This year, as an established playmaker, Foster has to sit for a quarter. Foster's status and punishment, then and now, indicate there is a double standard between the good and not as good players.

 

[Joe Texan]

I am relieved it worked out, I was mad that he did what he did but it worked out to be the right call. I will stick to my guns saying you guys that call me out would be the first to bring out the pink soap but are scared to admit that. Right call by Kubiak so a STFU to Joe texan

 

[silvrhand]

I am relieved it worked out, I was mad that he did what he did but it worked out to be the right call. I will stick to my guns saying you guys that call me out would be the first to bring out the pink soap but are scared to admit that. Right call by Kubiak so a STFU to Joe texan

I'm stubborn to the end, I'm not a Kubiak fan, but if we make the playoffs this year I"ll take it down, cause like him or not then he's done something we have wanted a long time in this town.. playoffs..

 

[dc_txtech]

I'm stubborn to the end, I'm not a Kubiak fan, but if we make the playoffs this year I"ll take it down, cause like him or not then he's done something we have wanted a long time in this town.. playoffs..

I'm stubborn to the end, I'm a big Kubiak fan, but if we don't make the playoffs this year I"ll take it down, cause like him or not then he hasn't done what we have wanted a long time in this town.. playoffs..

 

[ChampionTexan]

It shouldn't matter, in a perfect world. But in the real world (and the NFL), it does matter who you are. Would Big Ben still have a roster spot waiting after the crap he pulled if he were a fringe 3rd stringer?

Arian Foster is now an excellent example. Last year, Foster had a difficult time getting off the practice squad after skipping meetings. This year, as an established playmaker, Foster has to sit for a quarter. Foster's status and punishment, then and now, indicate there is a double standard between the good and not as good players.

Does Foster have pictures of you (or with you)? You seem to have this conspiracy theory regarding Foster. And it seems like every time somebody brings up a specific instance, or a specific comment by Foster himself about his past, all you seem to have in response is questioning the accuracy of the claim (hint - there's several links in this thread proving that Foster's past problems are more than just the "everyone's against him for no good reason" mentality you seem to be intimating.

And Foster's not the only instance of the Texans taking a stand against this type of thing. Jacoby's missed flight of last year is the best known example. Tonight on Bernard Pollard's radio spot, I heard Jacoby say himself that as he was sitting home watching his team play on TV that day, he realized that he needed to do things differently, and take things more seriously. He credits it for turning his attitude towards the game around.

Yeah, Arian's shown great things in six games, but talent's not nearly as rare a thing in the NFL as some folks believe. Talent that ends up fully developed, that makes a long-term difference to a team's success, that results in a genuine NFL career is rare, and 4 or 5 or 6 really good games doesn't mean he's made that leap.

 

[BullNation4Life]

I don't understand people being upset with this.

Because some folks would rather have high Fantasy Football points or only care about W's, no matter if the team starts to turn into the Bengals when it comes to discipline.

Foster needs to grow as a professional, not just a player. Him admitting his fault and saying it won't happen again, is the first step. The next step is keeping good on his word.

And for those I have read and heard saying " Uh Uh Kubiak wouldn't have sat Mario or AJ or Schaub if they missed a meeting, so why Foster?" You are correct, Kubiak would not have sat those guys because those guys would never put Kubiak nor the team in that kind of predicament. Those guys are professionals and wouldn't miss meeting or run late and if they were , I am quite sure they would have made arrangements before hand with Kubiak, because that is what professionals do...

 

[Lucky]

Does Foster have pictures of you (or with you)?

That's the kind of stuff that's really uncalled for. Just stick to the topic.

I've just pointed out the difference in how discipline is meted out among the players. You bring up a good point regarding Jacoby missing the Jacksonville game. The return man and backup WR misses a game for the same offense that the starting RB misses a quarter. If that doesn't show the disparity between the star and not star players, what would?

What Foster has shown may not be rare to you. But, it's rarely been seen on this team. There's little doubt that Foster is the biggest reason this team sits at 3-1 and atop the AFC South. That's also rare.

 

[ChampionTexan]

That's the kind of stuff that's really uncalled for. Just stick to the topic.

I've just pointed out the difference in how discipline is meted out among the players. You bring up a good point regarding Jacoby missing the Jacksonville game. The return man and backup WR misses a game for the same offense that the starting RB misses a quarter. If that doesn't show the disparity between the star and not star players, what would?

What Foster has shown may not be rare to you. But, it's rarely been seen on this team. There's little doubt that Foster is the biggest reason this team sits at 3-1 and atop the AFC South. That's also rare.

The picture thing was a joke - my apologies if it came across the wrong way.

Discipline is meted out differently all throughout society. People in power everywhere play favorites, and often are more concerned with their own personal well being, or the overall well being of their organization than the individual involved. Often times, the best interests of both the judge and the judged are alligned. Right or wrong, long-time valuable employees are going to be given more rope than the wet behind the ears trainee that started last month, but not as much as the person or persons responsible for the bulk of a company's revenue.

As to a previous comment about would other star players on this team be disciplined the same way - well, the list you mentioned (Mario, Demeco, AJ, Schaub) probably wouldn't be handled the same. They also have a track record that's far, far longer than Arian's.

I'm gonna say one last thing - something happened that caused Arian to go from being a projected 2nd round pick following his Junior season to actually being an UDFA after staying for his Senior year. I'm not going to sit back and assume that there's no possible way Arian's career could derail when there appear to be some signs for concern. Yeah, right now, he could be a franchise changer - I just don't see anything wrong with the Texans trying to keep him focused and driven.

 

[Double Barrel]

We have no idea what the meeting attendence records are for Mario, DeMeco, AJ, or Schaub. We can pretend like we do, and assume that Foster is the only one missing or being late to meetings. But, we don't really know for sure.

Star players are treated differently. Jimmy Johnson has admitted that was the case in Dallas, and I doubt that's much different than the majority of the league. That may not be the case in Houston. We don't really know. What we do know is that we rarely see this type of "punishment" in the NFL. That could mean several things. One, Arian Foster is the only player in the NFL missing meetings. Maybe other NFL teams don't care if players miss meetings? Or, the rest of the league handles this stuff internally.

Kubiak decided to let the football world know that Foster was screwing up by benching him for a quarter. That doesn't make it the right way to handle the situation. Or the wrong way. Just the Kubiak way. I really don't care how he handles it. If he does at all. That's Kubiak's problem. What I care about is if the Texans are winners, playoff participants, and Super Bowl champions.

The Texans won, are winning, and atop their division. That means Kubiak is doing the right thing.

The Coaches Show with Brian Billick and Jim Mora touched on the Foster situation, and they both disagreed with Kubiak's decision. They did not say he was "wrong", but just that they - as head coaches - would have handled it differently. The mentality was that when you sit a star player you are hurting the team and not just the player. The opted for a financial penalty and to handle it "in house" with a meeting with veteran leadership players so they can help influence the troubled player.

I don't understand the rush to judgment by some fans when someone else offers an opposing viewpoint or asks questions. It's like a herd of sheep sometimes where individuality is a lone wolf and is not welcomed. Bizarro.

 

[Texanmike02]

Because some folks would rather have high Fantasy Football points or only care about W's, no matter if the team starts to turn into the Bengals when it comes to discipline.

Foster needs to grow as a professional, not just a player. Him admitting his fault and saying it won't happen again, is the first step. The next step is keeping good on his word.

And for those I have read and heard saying " Uh Uh Kubiak wouldn't have sat Mario or AJ or Schaub if they missed a meeting, so why Foster?" You are correct, Kubiak would not have sat those guys because those guys would never put Kubiak nor the team in that kind of predicament. Those guys are professionals and wouldn't miss meeting or run late and if they were , I am quite sure they would have made arrangements before hand with Kubiak, because that is what professionals do...

You've got to wonder though. If Andre pulled up 5 mins late to a meeting... after 8 years of never being late. That's not the same as a 2nd year guy with a history of being late for meetings being 5 minutes late.

Mike

 

[Texanmike02]

We have no idea what the meeting attendence records are for Mario, DeMeco, AJ, or Schaub. We can pretend like we do, and assume that Foster is the only one missing or being late to meetings. But, we don't really know for sure.

Star players are treated differently. Jimmy Johnson has admitted that was the case in Dallas, and I doubt that's much different than the majority of the league. That may not be the case in Houston. We don't really know. What we do know is that we rarely see this type of "punishment" in the NFL. That could mean several things. One, Arian Foster is the only player in the NFL missing meetings. Maybe other NFL teams don't care if players miss meetings? Or, the rest of the league handles this stuff internally.

Kubiak decided to let the football world know that Foster was screwing up by benching him for a quarter. That doesn't make it the right way to handle the situation. Or the wrong way. Just the Kubiak way. I really don't care how he handles it. If he does at all. That's Kubiak's problem. What I care about is if the Texans are winners, playoff participants, and Super Bowl champions.

The Texans won, are winning, and atop their division. That means Kubiak is doing the right thing.

Lucky. MSR. ^^^^THIS^^^^ and a lil more of ^^^^THIS^^^^

Mike

 

[Texanmike02]

Does Foster have pictures of you (or with you)?

Dude. I have the pictures. How else to you think they let me stay around the board?

Pictures or not though, Lucky is right.

Mike

 

[Texecutioner]

9 pages discussing this? Really?

Foster missed meetings, and there were consequences for it. End of story.

Hopefully he got the message. By looking at the way he played it seems like he did. Only time will tell. Either way Kubiak made the right decision and we're 3-1 now with Cush coming back. No one should be arguing about this really.

 

[thunderkyss]

The Coaches Show with Brian Billick and Jim Mora touched on the Foster situation, and they both disagreed with Kubiak's decision. They did not say he was "wrong", but just that they - as head coaches - would have handled it differently. The mentality was that when you sit a star player you are hurting the team and not just the player. The opted for a financial penalty and to handle it "in house" with a meeting with veteran leadership players so they can help influence the troubled player.

I don't understand the rush to judgment by some fans when someone else offers an opposing viewpoint or asks questions. It's like a herd of sheep sometimes where individuality is a lone wolf and is not welcomed. Bizarro.

It's not so much a difference of opinion that is being challenged here.

Kubiak, you are so dumb, you are really dumb, for real.

It's things like this.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Arizona Cardinals DL Dan Williams said he was deactivated for the team's Week 4 game because he weighed in at 329 pounds, two pounds heavier than head coach Ken Whisenhunt's designated mandate, according to Bob McManaman, of The Arizona Republic. "I've got to get back to work and make sure I don't drink those late-night Gatorades," was Williams' quote on Monday.

 

[ObsiWan]

The Coaches Show with Brian Billick and Jim Mora touched on the Foster situation, and they both disagreed with Kubiak's decision. They did not say he was "wrong", but just that they - as head coaches - would have handled it differently. The mentality was that when you sit a star player you are hurting the team and not just the player. The opted for a financial penalty and to handle it "in house" with a meeting with veteran leadership players so they can help influence the troubled player.

I don't understand the rush to judgment by some fans when someone else offers an opposing viewpoint or asks questions. It's like a herd of sheep sometimes where individuality is a lone wolf and is not welcomed. Bizarro.

Did you notice that they're both out of work and Billick has been for a couple of years.
Billick had the luxury of having vets like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and others police his locker room so crap like this would be less likely to occur. Mora, Jr. is a great judge of character and disciplinarian considering who he had (Mike Vick & DeAngelo Hall to name two) right under his nose for so long.

 

[Marcus]

Betcha Foster learned from it as well....

...“I take full responsibility,” he said. “I apologize to my teammates for it, and it won’t happen again.

“I’m still a human being - not to use that as an excuse, I still have to handle my business - but I slipped up and I’m assuring that it won’t happen again.” ...

Betcha he didn't. How many times has he said that?

Hopefully Foster is sincere in his words...this time

Oh, I imagine he was 'sincere' in his words all those other times in college, and last year when he couldn't make it off the practice squad. This reminds me of the alcoholic who is 'sincere' everytime he falls off the wagon.

So it turns out Kubiak benched him and fined him. Well, why, I guess some would ask, why didn't he just fine him and leave it at that? Does it really stretch someone's imagination to think maybe, just maybe, considering Foster's past history, that just fining him wouldn't have done a lick of good.

This benching, for all the world to see, reminds me of the "Missouri mule" tactic. With some people, you got to take a 4x4 and and bash it into his skull in order to get his attention. Now, will this work? I doubt it because I have zero faith that Foster will change his spots. But I give Kubiak an E for effort for at least trying. But the "message" is that Kubiak is worried about Foster, worried that he might not be able to depend on him.

We haven't heard the last of Arian Foster. And I DO NOT mean that in a good way.

 

[dc_txtech]

It's not so much a difference of opinion that is being challenged here.



It's things like this.

Uh, that was a joke. I guess you haven't heard of Antoine Dodson?

 

[thunderkyss]

Uh, that was a joke. I guess you haven't heard of Antoine Dodson?

No, I know yours was a joke, I saw the smilie, but it was the first one I saw..... no offense meant to you, but some people are extremely upset about what Kubiak did... even though it worked out, & Arian Foster responded as Jacoby did, positively.

 

[dc_txtech]

No, I know yours was a joke, I saw the smilie, but it was the first one I saw..... no offense meant to you, but some people are extremely upset about what Kubiak did... even though it worked out, & Arian Foster responded as Jacoby did, positively.

Ok, right on.

I support Kubiak in his decision 100% and I think it was the right call if Foster hasn't been handling his business but I can see where some people might be upset about it. You're right that it worked out beautifully but what if it hadn't?

Say Ward comes in and coughs up the ball, then Slaton does the same and Oakland hops out to a quick 14-0 lead. Kubiak would be catching so much heat right now if that was the case and God forbid if we had lost the game because of it. That's the life of a coach though, when it works you're a genius, when it doesn't you're an asshat.

 

[silvrhand]

wow this thread hasn't died yet..
:wadepalm:

 

[Double Barrel]

Did you notice that they're both out of work and Billick has been for a couple of years.
Billick had the luxury of having vets like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed and others police his locker room so crap like this would be less likely to occur. Mora, Jr. is a great judge of character and disciplinarian considering who he had (Mike Vick & DeAngelo Hall to name two) right under his nose for so long.

Employment status means diddly squat. We have no idea if they even want to be coaches again, and I have no doubt that they have been offered coordinator positions at some point. Very few people have the experience of being a head coach in the NFL, so regardless of their career stats, I still think their perspectives have merit and might be - perhaps - why they have a tv show and you and I do not.

Funny that you'd mention Mora & Vick. Did you see the interview between them on NFL Network? Very interesting.

I guess by your logic, Kubiak is a "bad judge of character" since two of his starters have been suspended four games this season. Yeaaaah, riiiiiiiight.

Betcha he didn't. How many times has he said that?



Oh, I imagine he was 'sincere' in his words all those other times in college, and last year when he couldn't make it off the practice squad. This reminds me of the alcoholic who is 'sincere' everytime he falls off the wagon.

So it turns out Kubiak benched him and fined him. Well, why, I guess some would ask, why didn't he just fine him and leave it at that? Does it really stretch someone's imagination to think maybe, just maybe, considering Foster's past history, that just fining him wouldn't have done a lick of good.

This benching, for all the world to see, reminds me of the "Missouri mule" tactic. With some people, you got to take a 4x4 and and bash it into his skull in order to get his attention. Now, will this work? I doubt it because I have zero faith that Foster will change his spots. But I give Kubiak an E for effort for at least trying. But the "message" is that Kubiak is worried about Foster, worried that he might not be able to depend on him.

We haven't heard the last of Arian Foster. And I DO NOT mean that in a good way.

I tend to agree that a leopard doesn't suddenly change his spots. We can hope that the kid matures quickly, but I am more inclined toward your perspective that this won't be the last time we hear from the 'bad Arian Foster'.

 

[ObsiWan]

Employment status means diddly squat. We have no idea if they even want to be coaches again, and I have no doubt that they have been offered coordinator positions at some point. Very few people have the experience of being a head coach in the NFL, so regardless of their career stats, I still think their perspectives have merit and might be - perhaps - why they have a tv show and you and I do not.

Funny that you'd mention Mora & Vick. Did you see the interview between them on NFL Network? Very interesting.

I guess by your logic, Kubiak is a "bad judge of character" since two of his starters have been suspended four games this season. Yeaaaah, riiiiiiiight.
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Well to my knowledge, none of Kubiak's Kids have done jail time (Vick) or appeared in court to duck a murder rap (Ray Lewis).

But in Mora's defense - meaning I did see the interview so perhaps I shouldn't have been so hard on him - M. Vick had most of the NFL fooled too. Who knows, if "his boys" hadn't ratted him out, Vick might still be funding that dog-fighting ring.

The fact that the NFL network has a coaches show (I think they rotate Mariucci in there too) isn't super impressive. It's either that or keep replaying those NFL Film bloopers. To tell the truth, I was a bit disappointed in it. It isn't any more insightful than the breakdowns we see from Sterling Sharpe, et. al on "Playbook".

Bottom Line: There is obviously more than one way to handle what the HC perceives as a player discipline issue. I would think that whichever way is chosen by the HC depends on seriousness of the infraction, whether said player is a "repeat offender", and what message the coach is sending to the player and ultimately the team. IMHO, if you fail to fine/suspend "Player A" for a rules infraction because he's the stud and you're scared you might lose a game without him, then you just sent a msg to your team your fundamental principles are for sale.
Just my opinion.

 

[Double Barrel]

Well to my knowledge, none of Kubiak's Kids have done jail time (Vick) or appeared in court to duck a murder rap (Ray Lewis).

yeah, I agree. The Texans FO has done a great job over the years of doing their background homework, and even during the Capers years we never really had any 'bad boy' players.

Kinda' funny that you used Ray Lewis as a positive influence example earlier, tho'.

But in Mora's defense - meaning I did see the interview so perhaps I shouldn't have been so hard on him - M. Vick had most of the NFL fooled too. Who knows, if "his boys" hadn't ratted him out, Vick might still be funding that dog-fighting ring.

yeah, I was actually impressed that both Mora and Vick did that interview. Mora didn't pull any punches and expressed a severe disappointment that Vick had to face, which I thought he did a good job of manning up.

My jury is still out on Vick, but I'm starting to believe that he's a changed man and I can't hold a grudge against someone that has paid the price and changed their heart and mind on fundamental levels.

I don't think anyone really had a clue about the real Vick before it went down, and his image was selling everything at the time.

The fact that the NFL network has a coaches show (I think they rotate Mariucci in there too) isn't super impressive. It's either that or keep replaying those NFL Film bloopers. To tell the truth, I was a bit disappointed in it. It isn't any more insightful than the breakdowns we see from Sterling Sharpe, et. al on "Playbook".

I know what you're saying, and in some respects I agree. I tend to view the show as more of coaches talking about what goes on inside the heads of coaches more than anything else. They talked about game/time management, big calls, discipline, and stuff that is directly related to coaching decisions. I like Playbook, as well, so I think that NFLN doesn't want shows doing the exact same thing so they have created The Coaches Show for a coaching perspective. At least, that's how I have perceived it. But I get what you're saying and good points.

Bottom Line: There is obviously more than one way to handle what the HC perceives as a player discipline issue. I would think that whichever way is chosen by the HC depends on seriousness of the infraction, whether said player is a "repeat offender", and what message the coach is sending to the player and ultimately the team. IMHO, if you fail to fine/suspend "Player A" for a rules infraction because he's the stud and you're scared you might lose a game without him, then you just sent a msg to your team your fundamental principles are for sale.
Just my opinion.

I agree completely. And like I said before, I don't disagree with Kubiak's decision. He's the HC and he obviously felt compelled to do something that needed to be done. Hopefully it works out with positive results over the long run.

I just posted the blurb about The Coaches Show as more perspectives to the story, to sort of broaden the horizon of opinions and chatter.

 

[ObsiWan]

yeah, I agree. The Texans FO has done a great job over the years of doing their background homework, and even during the Capers years we never really had any 'bad boy' players.

Kinda' funny that you used Ray Lewis as a positive influence example earlier, tho'.

"Sugar" Ray learned a hard lesson from that bad experience and it probably went a long way in making him the team leader he has become.

and did I mention you read too damned close

yeah, I was actually impressed that both Mora and Vick did that interview. Mora didn't pull any punches and expressed a severe disappointment that Vick had to face, which I thought he did a good job of manning up.

My jury is still out on Vick, but I'm starting to believe that he's a changed man and I can't hold a grudge against someone that has paid the price and changed their heart and mind on fundamental levels.

I don't think anyone really had a clue about the real Vick before it went down, and his image was selling everything at the time.

That interview was outstanding, IMHO. Vick thought he had everyone fooled. He even fooled himself. ...for a while.

I agree completely. And like I said before, I don't disagree with Kubiak's decision. He's the HC and he obviously felt compelled to do something that needed to be done. Hopefully it works out with positive results over the long run.

I hope so too. But players today are more and more media savvy. They know what the public expects to hear and try and say it. We'll see if Foster "toes the line" from now on. Words are easy. Actions, not so much.

 

[thunderkyss]

Bottom Line: There is obviously more than one way to handle what the HC perceives as a player discipline issue. I would think that whichever way is chosen by the HC depends on seriousness of the infraction, whether said player is a "repeat offender", and what message the coach is sending to the player and ultimately the team. IMHO, if you fail to fine/suspend "Player A" for a rules infraction because he's the stud and you're scared you might lose a game without him, then you just sent a msg to your team your fundamental principles are for sale.
Just my opinion.

It's also my understanding that Arian missed/late for a meeting two weeks ago, and was fined. Then he was late/missed a meeting last week, and was then benched (may have been fined again as well).

I think it's way to early for him to start acting like a prima Donna, & to bench him was the exactly right thing to do. Slaton & Ward having good games was a plus, because Foster has got to be thinking maybe he is replaceable.

I do agree with you though, this move clearly makes Kubiak the Alpha Dog. If I were the head coach, I'd hate to be fired if I weren't the Alpha, like Mora/Vick.