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Why no Foster?

Señor Stan;1540216 said:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7230133.html

Benched for missing team meetings. Late for one, missed another.

He deserved what he got. He is not bigger than the team. That being said, absolutely great performance once he got in the game. Dude is a game changer.
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Yup. Rules are the rules. Like it or not, Kubes showed some serious balls holding him out. I'm sure the team wasn't very happy with his behavior. If I was a vet, I'd be his personal alarm clock.
 
Damn, I hope he gets his act together. Not cool to be missing meetings.

Next time, Kubiak may sit him for a whole game and he'll forfeit a game check and really hurt his team in the process.
 
Scooter said:
i think the "grand scheme" is exactly why it was a gameday move, we need foster to have his head right and working as he should the whole season for the texans to have success. what's a football player care about doing pushups or running laps? the rules are there and the precidence has been set already, notably with jacoby. the other 50+ guys are doing what they're supposed to, there's zero reason to make an exception for foster or anyone else.
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I totally agree.

Not only did Foster see that he was expendable, with Ward & Slaton having success, but he came out to prove a point & went to another level.

That's what competition is supposed to do.
 
All that has to be done is this:

MAKE HIM PAY.

Win the game. Make him pay.

To win the game, you let him play.

To let him play, you make him pay.

This isn't junior high. It's not high school. It's not college.

It is a game whereby you can fine your players. You take a huge chunk of coin, more huge than any other team dares to charge a player, and you will see those guys make every meeting on time. Guaranteed.

You guys like to say Gary Kubiak is smart and he isn't letting one player get away with stuff. My way would also make sure the player doesn't get away with stuff, but he still has a chance to give the other 51 players on the team a chance at winning the game.

Don't cheat the other 51 players on the roster. Make the one guy PAY, with money, and you'll see it stop.

Only one thing motivates those guys more than winning a Super Bowl. And it isn't the idea of having to stand on the sideline for one quarter. It's MONEY. Making a guy sit for one quarter only hurts the rest of the team. Want to say that if you're late or miss 3 meetings THEN you sit for a half or a full game? OK. You still fine them a huge amount of money, too. There are ways to send a message without potentially lessening your chances at a victory. Coaches are judged by Wins and Losses.

M-O-N-E-Y.
 
GP said:
All that has to be done is this:

MAKE HIM PAY.

Win the game. Make him pay.

To win the game, you let him play.

To let him play, you make him pay.

This isn't junior high. It's not high school. It's not college.

It is a game whereby you can fine your players. You take a huge chunk of coin, more huge than any other team dares to charge a player, and you will see those guys make every meeting on time. Guaranteed.

You guys like to say Gary Kubiak is smart and he isn't letting one player get away with stuff. My way would also make sure the player doesn't get away with stuff, but he still has a chance to give the other 51 players on the team a chance at winning the game.

Don't cheat the other 51 players on the roster. Make the one guy PAY, with money, and you'll see it stop.

Only one thing motivates those guys more than winning a Super Bowl. And it isn't the idea of having to stand on the sideline for one quarter. It's MONEY. Making a guy sit for one quarter only hurts the rest of the team. Want to say that if you're late or miss 3 meetings THEN you sit for a half or a full game? OK. You still fine them a huge amount of money, too. There are ways to send a message without potentially lessening your chances at a victory. Coaches are judged by Wins and Losses.

M-O-N-E-Y.
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The point of keeping him out of the game is because it could potentially hurt the entire team. A fine (which is limited by the players' union) even for a lower paid guy like Foster does not make him accountable to the team. In theory (have no idea if really works), it encourages other players to go "dude get your butt up to the darn meeting" versus "that dude is grown and if wants to pay fine that's on him." Last point, we don't know he already has been earlier or was fined in conjunction with the quarter.
 
GP said:
All that has to be done is this:

MAKE HIM PAY.

Win the game. Make him pay.

To win the game, you let him play.

To let him play, you make him pay.

This isn't junior high. It's not high school. It's not college.

It is a game whereby you can fine your players. You take a huge chunk of coin, more huge than any other team dares to charge a player, and you will see those guys make every meeting on time. Guaranteed.

You guys like to say Gary Kubiak is smart and he isn't letting one player get away with stuff. My way would also make sure the player doesn't get away with stuff, but he still has a chance to give the other 51 players on the team a chance at winning the game.

Don't cheat the other 51 players on the roster. Make the one guy PAY, with money, and you'll see it stop.

Only one thing motivates those guys more than winning a Super Bowl. And it isn't the idea of having to stand on the sideline for one quarter. It's MONEY. Making a guy sit for one quarter only hurts the rest of the team. Want to say that if you're late or miss 3 meetings THEN you sit for a half or a full game? OK. You still fine them a huge amount of money, too. There are ways to send a message without potentially lessening your chances at a victory. Coaches are judged by Wins and Losses.

M-O-N-E-Y.
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If only there was no CBA!

CBA
ARTICLE VIII
CLUB DISCIPLINE
Section 1. Maximum Discipline:

(a) For the 2006 League Year, the following maximum discipline
schedule will be applicable:

Unexcused late reporting for mandatory off-season minicamp, team
meeting, practice, transportation, curfew, scheduled appointment with
Club physician or trainer, or scheduled promotional activity—maximum
fine of $1,500.

Unexcused missed mandatory off-season minicamp, team meeting,
practice, curfew, bed check, scheduled appointment with Club physician
or trainer, material failure to follow Club rehabilitation directions, or scheduled
promotional activity—maximum fine of $8,000.
 
GP said:
All that has to be done is this:

MAKE HIM PAY.

Win the game. Make him pay.

To win the game, you let him play.

To let him play, you make him pay.

This isn't junior high. It's not high school. It's not college.

It is a game whereby you can fine your players. You take a huge chunk of coin, more huge than any other team dares to charge a player, and you will see those guys make every meeting on time. Guaranteed.

You guys like to say Gary Kubiak is smart and he isn't letting one player get away with stuff. My way would also make sure the player doesn't get away with stuff, but he still has a chance to give the other 51 players on the team a chance at winning the game.

Don't cheat the other 51 players on the roster. Make the one guy PAY, with money, and you'll see it stop.

Only one thing motivates those guys more than winning a Super Bowl. And it isn't the idea of having to stand on the sideline for one quarter. It's MONEY. Making a guy sit for one quarter only hurts the rest of the team. Want to say that if you're late or miss 3 meetings THEN you sit for a half or a full game? OK. You still fine them a huge amount of money, too. There are ways to send a message without potentially lessening your chances at a victory. Coaches are judged by Wins and Losses.

M-O-N-E-Y.
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Umm . . . how much M-O-N-E-Y do you think this UDFA makes anyway?

Man, you can smell the Kubiak haters a mile away.
 
Marcus said:
Umm . . . how much M-O-N-E-Y do you think this UDFA makes anyway?

Man, you can smell the Kubiak haters a mile away.
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Not a hater.

Just saying that money talks. It's all relative: You make a lot of money, you get fined a relative amount. Arian Foster, if he likes his job, can take a hit that's relative to what he's making.

I don't get why this isn't a logical solution. Let's do what we can do to win the game (play your players), and let's allow off-the-field punishments (of the fiscal nature) take its toll on violators of policy.

I like wins. I like 'em a lot. You need all hands on deck to try to win as many games as you can. It's not like sitting a RB for one quarter is going to really do anything. It's amateur hour. It's grandstanding. Hit their pocketbook, and hit it hard. Less coin can be a great motivator.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
If only there was no CBA!

CBA
ARTICLE VIII
CLUB DISCIPLINE
Section 1. Maximum Discipline:

(a) For the 2006 League Year, the following maximum discipline
schedule will be applicable:

Unexcused late reporting for mandatory off-season minicamp, team
meeting, practice, transportation, curfew, scheduled appointment with
Club physician or trainer, or scheduled promotional activity—maximum
fine of $1,500.

Unexcused missed mandatory off-season minicamp, team meeting,
practice, curfew, bed check, scheduled appointment with Club physician
or trainer, material failure to follow Club rehabilitation directions, or scheduled
promotional activity—maximum fine of $8,000.
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Awww heck...you done gone all official on me and stuff.
 
Fosters got to be accountable to the team and to the coaches, but Kubiak's got to be accountable to the fans and his owner.

In hindsite, it looks like this was handled appropriately. Soft benching, until he decided he needed him
 
I may be wrong but I think Kubiak was just trying to send a message to Foster. Hell, the Tuna even benched Eddie George (and broke his streak of consecutive starts) just to humble him.
 
GP said:
Not a hater.

Just saying that money talks. It's all relative: You make a lot of money, you get fined a relative amount. Arian Foster, if he likes his job, can take a hit that's relative to what he's making.

I don't get why this isn't a logical solution. Let's do what we can do to win the game (play your players), and let's allow off-the-field punishments (of the fiscal nature) take its toll on violators of policy.

I like wins. I like 'em a lot. You need all hands on deck to try to win as many games as you can. It's not like sitting a RB for one quarter is going to really do anything. It's amateur hour. It's grandstanding. Hit their pocketbook, and hit it hard. Less coin can be a great motivator.
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Given the salary that AF is currently earning, and considering what he might be able to earn in the future, I think holding him out for awhile is more painful......personally AND potentially financially.
 
There is exactly no excuse for not starting Foster, I do not care if he pissed off the coach the Coach has no excuse for keeping him out of the game. He is the Real deal and he risked losing the game because of it. Come on Coach Kubiak get out of your Aggie Ways and Coach this team to Win these games
 
Joe Texan said:
There is exactly no excuse for not starting Foster, I do not care if he pissed off the coach the Coach has no excuse for keeping him out of the game. He is the Real deal and he risked losing the game because of it. Come on Coach Kubiak get out of your Aggie Ways and Coach this team to Win these games
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A coach that can't control his team will never win, Foster got the message, loud and clear. I support Gary's call why a new thread???
 
It was another risk that worked out for Kubiak this season. The first major risk being punting in OT against the Redskins.
 
Joe Texan said:
There is exactly no excuse for not starting Foster, I do not care if he pissed off the coach the Coach has no excuse for keeping him out of the game. He is the Real deal and he risked losing the game because of it. Come on Coach Kubiak get out of your Aggie Ways and Coach this team to Win these games
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:rolleyes:

:gun:


Joe, sometimes, you are waaaaaaaaaaaay too much!!!


:dontknowa
 
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Joe Texan said:
There is exactly no excuse for not starting Foster, I do not care if he pissed off the coach the Coach has no excuse for keeping him out of the game. He is the Real deal and he risked losing the game because of it. Come on Coach Kubiak get out of your Aggie Ways and Coach this team to Win these games
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Wait.... we lost???
 
Texan4Ever said:
I may be wrong but I think Kubiak was just trying to send a message to Foster. Hell, the Tuna even benched Eddie George (and broke his streak of consecutive starts) just to humble him.
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Who do you call "The Tuna"?

I thought that was Parcell, but I don't remember when he ever had an opportunity to bench Eddie Georgr.
 
Those other two backs were averaging almost 10 yards a carry before Foster stepped on the field .... Ward looked solid and broke one for 30+.


A Fresh (motivated) Foster came on in the second half to rush for a buck thirty on 8.2 per carry.
 
I support Kubiak's decision.

Foster needed to know that the consequences of his behavior can hurt the team.

Did anyone else notice that Vonta seemed to have a few words for Arian after Arian's 74 yard TD?

I'm betting those words went something like: "We need you, bro. Don't miss any more meetings."

Just a wild guess.
 
TexansFanatic said:
I support Kubiak's decision.

Foster needed to know that the consequences of his behavior can hurt the team.

Did anyone else notice that Vonta seemed to have a few words for Arian after Arian's 74 yard TD?

I'm betting those words went something like: "We need you, bro. Don't miss any more meetings."

Just a wild guess.
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I was thinking he was telling him there are two ways he could have handled the adversity. The wrong way, or with a 74 yard touchdown.
 
Foster:
“I didn’t handle my business off the field, I got disciplined for it, and rightfully so,” Foster said. “I take full responsibility and I apologized to my teammates for it, and it won’t happen again. And we’re all about moving on here. I slipped up, and I’m assuring it won’t happen again.”
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Kubiak:
“Bottom line, we all have responsibilities and over the course of the past few weeks he’s neglected responsibilities, he’s been unaccountable in a couple of situations,” Kubiak said. “When that happens you’ve got to learn a lesson, pay a price. I’m disappointed in him, but proud of him coming back and playing well today.”
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20101003013
 
Joe Texan said:
There is exactly no excuse for not starting Foster, I do not care if he pissed off the coach the Coach has no excuse for keeping him out of the game. He is the Real deal and he risked losing the game because of it. Come on Coach Kubiak get out of your Aggie Ways and Coach this team to Win these games
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Bull$$$$!!!

It doesnt matter if its Mario, Demeco, Schaub or anyone else, meetings are mandatory for ALL players including undrafted free agents who are having a breakout season. Foster has a history of strange antics as pointed out earlier in this thread and also mentioned in LZ's blog tonight http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010/10/post_169.html.

You are right that Foster is important which makes it imperative that Kubiak get the kids head straight ASAP. First he was late to a meeting then he missed a meeting. Give him an inch and he took a mile. How do you think that sits with other veteran pro-bowl players like Ryans who show you to the meetings and have excelled season in and season out. Terrell Owens didnt get to be the Diva he is over night, he was "to important" to bench and a monster was created. I cant help but wonder if Kubiak would have made this decision if it wasn't the Raiders.

I just hope Foster isn't just paying lip service and actually is taking it to heart.
 
I'm cool with what Kubiak did but only because I remember a situation like this last year, where Kubiak's decision kind of came back to bite him. Remember how everyone was throwing Kubiak under the bus for leaving Jacoby in Houston because he missed the team flight or something? Oh yeah, Kubiak was getting dissed because everyone thought there was a time and a place for that and it certainly wasn't before a divisional road game with a chance to still be in the playoff hunt.

Well, the next week and a season later we've been treated to a real good football player in Jacoby Jones. With Foster, I liked the idea of what Kubiak did because he applied the discipline without hurting the team. He didn't leave Foster in Houston. Instead, he sat him (an undrafted free agent who beat all odds to get a starting spot) for two quarters and let him get a glimpse of how quickly it can be taken away because someonelse is always waiting in the wings. It was pretty clear that Foster got the message.
 
Lucky said:
:confused:

Welcome to the forum. Eventually, I'll understand what you're saying.
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He's saying that Foster has had, collectively, 6 good games. Kubiak built this team - at least the offense - into a respectable one, one that can play with anybody in the league, from something that most other teams would chalk up as an "automatic win".
That extension was earned with four YEARS of work and only having one losing season out of the four he's been here.

Not just six decent games.

And, for you Cowher fans, do you think the Chin would have done things any differently?? I seriously doubt it. He, too, strikes me as a No-One-Is-Bigger-Than-the-Team kind of coach. Hell, Cowher may not have even dressed him for the game. And so, if it had been Cowher handing out that disciplinary action, would you still be so upset about it???

Another question: would Foster even BE HERE if not for Kubiak?
 
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I'm going to have to give my support to Kubes on this one. Foster got his discipline and we still got the win, so it worked out quite well. Foster looked pretty devastated to be standing on the sidelines, so hopefully that will sink in for him. There are some great leaders on this team who should be able to help him out too.
 
TexCanada said:
I'm going to have to give my support to Kubes on this one. Foster got his discipline and we still got the win, so it worked out quite well. Foster looked pretty devastated to be standing on the sidelines, so hopefully that will sink in for him. There are some great leaders on this team who should be able to help him out too.
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He looked like someone ran over his cat .... especially when they were showing him sitting between Slaton and Ward after his 33 yard TD romp.
 
Joe Texan said:
There is exactly no excuse for not starting Foster, I do not care if he pissed off the coach the Coach has no excuse for keeping him out of the game. He is the Real deal and he risked losing the game because of it. Come on Coach Kubiak get out of your Aggie Ways and Coach this team to Win these games
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The Texans scored 14 first half points before Foster took a snap, including a 33 yard TD run by Derrick Ward. Foster was on pace for over 400 carries for the season. The Texans scored 31 points and won the game. What exactly are you looking at when you watch all the football that you watch? Perhaps at your age, you could begin considering multiple variables when making a judgement on something?... just a thought.
 
ObsiWan said:
Another question: would Foster even BE HERE if not for Kubiak?
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Exactly. What a slap in the face to the organization that pulled him off the scrap heap. All this talk about Foster majoring in philosophy...anyone tried actually reading any philosophy? That **** is hard. If Foster is half as intellectual as everyone is saying he is, he should have no problem recognizing the knife edge he, and just about every NFL player not named P Manning, is sitting on. I'm really disappointed in AF pulling this crap after only three games. He's had these problems before, and he was saying all the right things--I can only hope that one of these days it'll sink in.

Kudos to Kubes for doing the right thing.
 
One more thing: I just read in the Chron yesterday about how Foster, in his own words, was watching how Andre Johnson went about his business. Oh really?

Anyway, on to next week: GO COWBOYS!
 
...seems like it's always scrunched up. Anybody else notice this?

Why?

Do none of his teammates want to straighten it out for him?

Is his jersey too small?

Is his back pad too big?

Does he do it for good luck/superstition, kind of like Biggio and his dirty batter's helmet?

Did he do the same thing when he was at the University of Tennessee?

Why?

Inquiring minds want to know...:hmmm:
 
So....does that mean you guys have noticed or haven't noticed?

Or has some other inquiring mind already asked this question and received an answer?

I know it's not important, and God knows only important things get discussed on message boards.....(pause for effect)....

...but I can't be the only one who notices this and gets somewhat annoyed, can I? I see the bunched up numbers and I just badly want someone to pull the shirt tail of his jersey down to straighten it out. Either that, or an explanation for such an idiosyncrasy would be nice. Is that too much too ask? :kitten:
 
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