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Why no Foster?
- Thread starter El Tejano
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texansdrummer
Veteran
Get a life
brakos82
Yaters Gonna Yate.
Wrong beer.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
if you'll notice, just as this snail blasts forward, his eyestalks are flung back. no doubt this is due to a seemingly fatal combination of both the momentum of the jet pulse and the lack of muscular rigidity endemic to gastropods. what i'm trying to ask is how the hell does he see where he's going?
Txn_in_FL
All Pro
On top of all that scientific gobbledy-gook, what keeps his limp head and eye-stalks from being sucked into the intake of the jet engine?
Señor Stan
El Guapo
Maybe THAT'S why he's always doing that bow thing after a touchdown...to straighten out his number!
I'm going to go start a thread about that!
I'm going to go start a thread about that!
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Well....without responding like a dick, no, I haven't noticed it. I'll look out for it in highlights or next week.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Sounds like he's learned. Of course, it could also just be what needed to be said. Who knows.
That said, I would hate for him to turn into LT personality-wise. That guy's a little ***** to the highest degree.
Foster has been better than decent. Try to be honest about that.
Foster gets 187 total yards, 2 TDs, and some discipline while the Texans get a road win. It's all good. I just wish that Kubiak had only benched Foster in the 1st quarter last season (rather than keeping him on the PS) when he missed meetings. Maybe the Texans would have made their 1st appearance in the playoffs?
Anyway you look at it, Foster is the best value in professional football. A league leading rusher making the 2nd year vet minimum? I think the Texans (especially in an uncapped year) should be giving this guy a bonus. Because he's the biggest reason why the Texans are sitting with a winning record atop the AFC South. Meetings or not.
PockyAF
Waterboy
No offense, but no one gives a ****. Kubiak cares more about the dingleberry hanging off his ass than about fans who shares the same opinions that you do.
You sound like the kind of parents that would go to Wal-Mart with his kid and let him/her run wild, knocking and breaking **** on every aisle, and walk along like nothing happened.
Even Foster admits that he was wrong.
Kubiak won the battle on and off the field. He was in the right, he knows it and his team knows it.
Not only did we still get the win, Foster continues to lead the league in rushing by over 100 yards.
there was no downside realized from this decision, everything came out on the damn good side.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
No offense, but no one gives a ****. Kubiak cares more about the dingleberry hanging off his ass than about fans who shares the same opinions that you do.
You sound like the kind of parents that would go to Wal-Mart with his kid and let him/her run wild, knocking and breaking **** on every aisle, and walk along like nothing happened.
Even Foster admits that he was wrong.
Kubiak won the battle on and off the field. He was in the right, he knows it and his team knows it.
Relax and suck in some of Foster's mantra. We're all fans.
I'll tell you what I think... this quarter stuff is pathetically juvenile. Activate or deactivate. I didn't tune in to see Foster pacing the sideline. Mind-numbing ugh!!
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I think Foster's on the verge of becoming a member of my Beast Club. That said, I totally agree with what Kubiak did. There will be no player that's larger than the team and it's the coach's job to make sure they don't try. Does AJ do this kinda crap to the team? Hell no!
Hell, some of y'all are calling Kubiak out, which I think is ludicrous, and I'm trying to figure out why he wasn't disciplined after missing the first meeting.
Hell, some of y'all are calling Kubiak out, which I think is ludicrous, and I'm trying to figure out why he wasn't disciplined after missing the first meeting.
If we were steeler fans, we'd be saying Ben needs to get his **** together.
As Texans' fans, we're saying Cushing needs to get his **** together.
We're also saying Duane Brown needs to get his **** together.
Kubiak lays down the law, & we're on Kubiak's ass? What's wrong with putting the blame where it belongs? Foster needs to get his **** together.
Again, I see this as a win-win-win for Kubiak. Especially considering how he came back and answered the call, with a chip on his sholder, with something to prove.
Slaton & Ward were probably licking their chops, thinking they done some good..... earned more playing time. Then Foster comes out & drops a buck fiddy & a TD.
Slaton & Ward have got to be thinking there is another level out there, & they gotta find it if they truly want more playing time.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I'm not a bandwagoner. I'm not concerned with Big Ben's perverted ways.
I don't have a problem with Foster being disciplined. It's how he was disciplined. He would have benched him if he really meant business. Kubiak's a softy sitting on the hotseat... always a dangerous combination.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
So a missed meeting and late to another? That's not going to cut it on the Texans. I'm in favor of this kind of punishment, whether it was Foster or Mario. Nobody is above the team and has to be held accountable.
That's one of the main words they're using this year: Accountability. If everybody knows Coach is going to sit you the 1st quarter, 1st half or the entire game for breaking team rules - then it's your fault. Foster is accountable. The players may hate the coach's decision, especially if it led to a loss... but everyone knew... or now knows he's for real. It's on the players now and they are holding EACH OTHER accountable. I love it.
Also, for a player like a RB, sitting out the 1st quarter is a decent punishment too. Especially if the guy is the leading rusher in the league and starting to become a diva. If he's on the bench, he can't collect those stats. You know Foster wants all the yards and TD he can get. He wants to be in the pro bowl, the leading rusher, etc. I thought Slaton and Ward did a pretty good job (not longterm, but that 1st qtr was good)... then Foster came out and wanted to show Coach why he needs to be in there.
Hopefully it's a win-win here. Foster - get your damn head on straight!! and all you other players, don't break team rules!
That's one of the main words they're using this year: Accountability. If everybody knows Coach is going to sit you the 1st quarter, 1st half or the entire game for breaking team rules - then it's your fault. Foster is accountable. The players may hate the coach's decision, especially if it led to a loss... but everyone knew... or now knows he's for real. It's on the players now and they are holding EACH OTHER accountable. I love it.
Also, for a player like a RB, sitting out the 1st quarter is a decent punishment too. Especially if the guy is the leading rusher in the league and starting to become a diva. If he's on the bench, he can't collect those stats. You know Foster wants all the yards and TD he can get. He wants to be in the pro bowl, the leading rusher, etc. I thought Slaton and Ward did a pretty good job (not longterm, but that 1st qtr was good)... then Foster came out and wanted to show Coach why he needs to be in there.
Hopefully it's a win-win here. Foster - get your damn head on straight!! and all you other players, don't break team rules!
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
eriadoc
Texan-American
Personally, I think it was a good move. Foster came into the game meaning business, because the other two showed they can do things at the position as well.
Anyone thinking Kubes is wrong for this is out of their mind. Players get away with far too much as it is. WWLD? (Lombardi)
Anyone thinking Kubes is wrong for this is out of their mind. Players get away with far too much as it is. WWLD? (Lombardi)
Both were good decisions. Given the field conditions, AJ could have really hurt that ankle to the point that he would be out for a month or more. We need him more after the bye week than before and certainly don't need him to get seriously hurt while playing a team that Kubiak obviously thought we could beat without him.
As to Foster - that was also the correct action. You don't have to look around much to see what happens to a team when the rules aren't enforced - or any organization for that matter. Just because Foster is becoming the next Emmit Smith is no reason for him to be late or miss meetings. A "star" sets a standard on the field and off. Often, the example set off the field is just as important as the example on the field. Missing one meeting may not seem to be all that important - but if nothing is done about it - what happens next? How many others will decide to be late, stay out drinking late...the bad possibilities are many. I applaud Kubiak for both decisions.
While I agree with Kubes' need to punish Arian...did it need to be for THAT long?
Here are the other (lesser) alternatives:
1. Fine him.
2. Not start, sit 1 play.
3. Sit out 1 offensive series.
4. Sit out 1 quarter.
IMHO - When the announcers on your hometown radio station AND the TV announcers are questioning the login of sitting the leading rusher in the NFL, perhaps it's time to review your logic. As one of the first callers after the game last night pointed out...if we'd lost, the ONLY topic would be "Why wasn't Arian in there?"
Here are the other (lesser) alternatives:
1. Fine him.
2. Not start, sit 1 play.
3. Sit out 1 offensive series.
4. Sit out 1 quarter.
IMHO - When the announcers on your hometown radio station AND the TV announcers are questioning the login of sitting the leading rusher in the NFL, perhaps it's time to review your logic. As one of the first callers after the game last night pointed out...if we'd lost, the ONLY topic would be "Why wasn't Arian in there?"
As to the first question - I am guessing that missing the first quarter are the consequences since I'm sure they are spelled out somewhere.
As to the second - but we didn't lose. I do know enough about coaching to know that any decision you make is second guessed. If it works - you are a genius - if it doesn't you should be fired. This time it worked. Since it did, let us all hope it taught everyone a lesson and we won't have to take this chance again this season anyway.
Vinnie
with an I E
I have no issue with what Kubiak did with Arian in the first half whatsoever. Even had we lost. We were still running the ball decently with Ward and Slaton. I have more issue with not running the ball with 1:45 or so left in the first half and going three and out to give the Raiders a chance to go ahead into half time. That I have issue with.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I'd bet the original plan was to sit him one quarter, or maybe even less than one quarter. But when the other two were rolling, Kubiak stayed with the hot hand until they cooled off, which was also the right move.
Anytime you relinquish your starting job, for any reason whatsoever, you risk losing it. I think Foster got a very small dose of that realization yesterday, and he ran like a madman as a result. I'm not saying he wouldn't have otherwise, but I'd bet he had a sense of "OK, I better go show I'm the man" in that scenario.
TexansForTheW
Waterboy
Foster deserved to sit and if he did not then Kubiak is telling his players indirectly that if you miss meetings then that is OK. I think he should have sat the whole game just like jacoby did last year. Kubiak has the respect of his players. It's not time to lose the team.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Not trying to be an ass, but what the hell is sitting out 1 play or 1 offensive series gonna do to a guy from a disciplinary standpoint? As it is, 1 quarter isn't really doing anything to him.......he still gets his full game check im sure. Honestly what kubes did was appropriate considering the infraction; not too harsh, but not too light either.
To those of you who think that Kubiak's punishment of Foster was also a punishment of the team, and indirectly punishing the fans, let me pose this question . . .
If Kubiak had just fined him, wouldn't you even have heard about it? Would you even have cared?
Despite what some you in the "look for any any excuse to criticize the coach you wanted to be fired last season" group might think, he's not stupid. He knew that punishing the league's leading rusher in this fashion would cause a shitstir.
That was his intention. Nobody is bigger than the team. Nobody is above the team. Today, the entire world knows what Foster did. And that's how it should be.
The players respect Kubiak. They want to play for him. There are many reasons why that is, but the main one is that he commands discipline on the team, no matter who it is.
If Kubiak had just fined him, wouldn't you even have heard about it? Would you even have cared?
Despite what some you in the "look for any any excuse to criticize the coach you wanted to be fired last season" group might think, he's not stupid. He knew that punishing the league's leading rusher in this fashion would cause a shitstir.
That was his intention. Nobody is bigger than the team. Nobody is above the team. Today, the entire world knows what Foster did. And that's how it should be.
The players respect Kubiak. They want to play for him. There are many reasons why that is, but the main one is that he commands discipline on the team, no matter who it is.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
It's holding him accountable. It's every player on the team knowing they are accountable for what they do on and off the field. Each player knows the team rules they are supposed to abide by. By missing team meetings, being late, etc. it shows your coaches and your teammates that you're not serious. The other players should be pissed, they all showed up, they're doing their part, they have to keep each other in check. If we lost the game "because of Foster", it's HIS fault, not Kubiaks. By sitting him, every player knows Kubes is for real and that they will sit too. If the team doesn't do good because that player is out... his teammates are going to be pissed at him.
Accountability.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
don't get me wrong, i agree with what kubes did, but what i was getting at was the actual alternative punishments that dissacks listed.
i get what it's supposed to show, but do u really think 1 stinkin' play/series is gonna bother a guy that much as dissacks cited as alternatives to what kubes did? I find it hard to believe that's the case. in fact, i don't think it would bother any player as they could just treat it as a rest play/series.
Even had we lost, I wouldn't change my mind. Just like when he told Jacoby don't bother getting on the plane before the Jags in Jacksonville last year. We lost that game, but I think the team & especially Jacoby were better for it.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
I've got no problem with the type or duration of the discipline that came down. I heard one of our many sub-par talk show hosts that this city has talking this morning that Foster A - is too valuable to deserve this type of punishment, and B - that he shouldn't be punished in a manner that could hurt the team.
Both of those points deserve the biggest BS that can possibly be given to them.
On the first issue, Foster was a UDFA because while he had his S@!t together his junior year, he couldn't/wouldn't/didn't keep it together his senior year. How in the world can the Texans be comfortable that by letting him slide because he's been so good in the last 5 or 6 regular season games that they're not implicitly telling him it's okay to get lax, let your guard down, and slip into old habits.
On the second issue, I believe that the best way to get/keep AF on the right track is peer pressure from his teammates. Even a heavy fine (if it were allowed) might be something he was willing to live with. One play, or one series wasn't risking jack squat, but if you basically tell him that he's going to miss significant time on the field and put his team at risk if he doesn't shape up, well then, you've got 52 other players and an entire staff who's highly motiviated to help this guy do things the right way. That's called being a team, and kudo's to Kubiak for handling this the way he did (and Kudo's to D.Ward and S. Slaton for not allowing it to bite us in the butt).
Hervoyel
BUENO!
This is I think the real point. How much grumbling do you hear out of the team? Who's stood up and pulled a Dunta and complained that they didn't have Foster for the first half?
I did not get what Kubiak was doing the first few years but I think Marcus has his finger on it here. Kubiak was building a team not just assembling some talent. It remains to be seen whether he's capable of building a team and leading it to success but he seems to be getting results. If they're lining up to play for him and feel bad when they let him down then I want to see where this goes.
Joe Texan
Inducted 04
Fine him a game check and make him play, that is a better senario and it hits his pocket book. What if we were playing the Colts and They beat us by a feild goal in the last minute, A lot of you would be sporting the pink soap, I am not saying fire the coach I am saying do not light the fire in the morning, when the rescue ship comes at night. Arian Foster is the Best thing we have in the backfeild, And he screwed up. Fine his arse a game check and I bet he would pay attention just like he did sitting, maybe more. Al you who question me are the first ones to pull out the pink soap when we screw up so STFU
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Well, the money he lost going from a low-round draft choice to an UDFA didn't really seem to make much of an impression on him, and that was way more than one of his current game checks. I'm just not sure I see anything that tells me that he would really be impacted by that.
Oh, and then there's this...
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1540361&postcount=62
I'm hoping the "ride the hot hand" after the 1st quarter was the scenario. That's what had me so angry...Why was he still out entering the 2nd quarter?
The worst thing you can do to a player is make him sit. Bothers them a lot more than a fine. Having to sit and watch other players do the job he had won is much more embarrassing to him, and puts a ton more peer pressure on him.
I agree that sitting would have more of an impact than a fine. I think Kubes made the best out of a tough spot. He does want to win games, but he can't have this kind of prima donna attitude. Sitting him for a quarter was a good compromise between only a fine and suspending him the whole game.
OzzO
.. and then?
Jacoby remembers last year... probably more than a fine would have him remember... plus he passes along his "experience" to other players.
Betcha Foster learned from it as well....
Chronic - Solomon 10.4.10
Betcha Foster learned from it as well....
Chronic - Solomon 10.4.10
silvrhand
All Pro
Why they have Jacoby and Arian next to each other in the lock room is beyond me.. You would have thought they would have had someone more "reliable" there next to him.
Foster sat until the offense started their first series of the 2nd qtr. That was like halfway through the quarter. Foster missed a lot of time, and I think it was very effective.
TexCanada
All Pro
Anyone who has ever played sports at a reasonably high level can probably relate to a situation like this. If one guy gets special treatment from the coach by letting him get away with anything he wants, the whole team will suffer. It is very frustrating to watch a guy disobey the rules and still get the majority of the playing time. It doesn't matter if he is a superstar or not, it will cause problems. If Foster was allowed to get away with this stuff because he has had a couple good games, then problems with team morale wouldn't be far away(especially if we lost a few games). Kubiak handled it well, and hopefully Foster has learned from it.