Agreed. For the record, I think both QBs suck as does OB.
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Who else thinks the Texans are going to crash and burn in 2015
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Agreed. For the record, I think both QBs suck as does OB.
TexansFight
Veteran
The crash and burn is in full force and effect.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Wolfiegrrl
Fan of NFC Seahawks & AFC Texans
I was hopeful at the beginning of the year. I don't like to admit when all hope is lost. I only had the opportunity to listen to the game today. Hearing that Mallett missed the Charter plane, that the team struggled in every aspect tells me that the players are done with this coaching staff already. How many ******* laps is O'brian going to give us for this **** storm he calls a team?
So now, my hope is already shifting into next year... I can hope for a great QB, new coaching staff, and better GM. ::smdh::
So now, my hope is already shifting into next year... I can hope for a great QB, new coaching staff, and better GM. ::smdh::
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
Next stop: Kirby
Your 2015 Houston Texans.
Remember you started this thread saying we would win 7 games or so.
TexansFight
Veteran
I said 7 games at best. They can still get there
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Good thing is the Colts are crashing and burning too. Only the Jags made ground today. Other than that, nothing has changed in the good old AFCS.
Woo Hoo become a fraud division "champion" only to get completely embarrassed in the playoffs? Yeah no thanks.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
1st of all How is it fraud if it is won outright? 2nd of all, i'd take that in a heartbeat over not making the playoffs.
I think alot of u guys want this team to lose so as to be proven right...
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
You're crazy. Sprinting to be made fun of. I'd rather keep working on a higher draft slot and position the team to actually be competitive in the near future VS a mediocre draft slot leading to more of the same. Let me guess, you're telling me there is a chance that if the Texans make the playoffs they could win it all right? LOL. Mercy.
We've had three #1 overall picks in a 12 year period. I don't think that's working as well as you think it might.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Are you debating the mathematics of high draft picks or just the ineptitude of the people making them?
I'm fine with a 4th #1 pick if it means the guy making the pick isn't currently running this team today.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, exactly. 3 of the 4 Best players this franchise has ever had have all come outside of the top 10 of the draft...the lone exceptions being AJ unless you count Mario as a 5th. ....but he's had more success in Buffalo than he did here and i rember folks not being too thrilled with him when he was here. 1 of those 3 guys wasnt even drafted and the other was taken in the 3rd round.
Now take a guess at what our success rate has been for players taken inside the coveted top 5 you guys are bent on positioning for...bottom line you just have to draft well no matter where you are...
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Apart from that, we're not likely to get the #1 overall pick being in the division we're in. Detroit is 1-5, and there are a slew of teams with the same record as us.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Where did the Pats draft last year, or the year before that, or that or that, etc.?
See now that's different. Picking high does not guarantee you anything. First, you are picking high for a reason. 2nd whomever is making those picks makes a difference. So high value picks that are coach-able are more valuable than what slot they are picked in. Sure talent level is important and helps, but only if lots of other things are in place, like great coaching, like team chemistry.
I am pretty sure that the teams that have been picking in the top 10 over the last decade have not been to the SB, so clearly a great draft with free agent moves is more important than securing a top 5 pick. The Pats, Packers, Colts, Broncos, Seahawks have all picked at the bottom of the draft yet they find a way to field a winning team. Well, except for this season for the Seahawks and the Colts.
michaelm
vox nihili
Your 2015 Houston Texans.
Fortunately, they were all wearing their leathers. :/
michaelm
vox nihili
I'd add Derrick Carr to that list.
Scooter
Funky
Purely speculation on my part, but I doubt either side wanted any part of the other.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Right, I agree with your post damn near word for word, but all those teams have had draft success. Look at their rosters and I'm sure there would be a much higher talent retention percentage that what is going on here in Houston. Its not always about hitting home runs, but you cant continue to miss on talent evaluation in Rds 1-3 to the effect that the Texans have and expect to remain competitive. Look at the GM's of those teams, and I'll include Newsome in Baltimore (best talent guy IMO-rough year this season) and they are able to consistently identify talent and continue to field good teams. Sure, the Patriots had a little luck with Brady, but they have also been shrewd and smart with picks, they ship out aging talent for more picks, they dont overpay and pray that these over the hill players will still be able to perform. Coaching is important, I dont disagree, chemistry to a lesser degree of importance because winning is everything in locker rooms.
Too many variables in your proposition of " great draft+FA>top 4 pick" because the whole talent evaluation issue extends beyond the draft INTO free agency with these guys on Kirby man. Getting as high as possible in the draft can sort of lessen the "Idiot Impulse" by narrowing in on blue chip players.
True... unless you're blinded by the importance of the QB position that you draft Blain Gabbert instead of a number of true blue chips. Or Christian Ponder, or Jake Locker...
When Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Ryan Mallett, Tj Yates, & Tyrod Taylor were still on the board.
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humblegeo
Guest
Will they crash and burn in 2015?? They already have for crying out loud!
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Was Atlanta the crash and Miami the burn? Will everything be ok now?
Thankfully the Texans have avoided that trap, or think where they'd be today! They wouldn't be stacked all those blue chippers they have, that's for sure.
I think we've got more than enough talent to win. Especially against our division & this schedule. I think our failure is at the coaching position.
Maybe these guys don't fit OB's system. He should have done something about that in the offseason when he could.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
How high is high enough? From what I've seen so far on the various draft sites, there seems to be no cream in this season's crop of picks. The most consistent top 6 pick seems to be Hargraves at CB with Stanley going from first to 12th on different boards. There seems to be no consensus player or even small group at the top.
Even top QBs seem to be inconclusive when their order is analyzed. This is certainly a year where anyone in the top 20 might get their top pick choice if things fall right. Goff has been falling as a first round pick. Cook has been rising. Jones isn't even starting for his College Team. Wentz has an ankle issue, but hasn't been perceived of as a consensus elite prospect.
In short, this is another season where a top five pick loses it's luster. It's similar to each of the seasons where the Texans had the first choice in the draft.
So play hard. Show HEART. Correct the problems you can. Find out which problems cannot be fixed internally or through FA. Then make a plan to improve.
I'm just imagining how many would react positively to Wentz in the first round, yet would be beside themselves with Wentz in the 4th as failing to address this most critical need.
Just look at Savage and the response he got.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I smell looming disaster against the Bengals.
-The Bengals are pound for pound as talented as any other nfl team right now.
- We have a tradition of sucking miserably on prime time games. We never fail to nut up at the most opportune moment and this is it.
- I dont think they forgot who knocked them out of the playoffs twice. There will be no quarter.
We'll look back after the bengals game and some of you will WISH we took that azz kicking before the bye. At least then we'd have a chance to make a change - any kind of change and implement it. Instead we won before the bye and we're dancin on our own grave since we're in first place. So tired of listening to radio personalities pimp this team due to our standings. This team sucks and on the off chance we creep into the playoffs we'll be humiliated. We squandered a chance to overhaul a piece of the team this week.
I realize watching the bengals/browns game 2 things:
-They've got an extended week to prepare for our game just like we do.
-They're doing some very unorthodox things on offense and i fully expect us to have blown assignments resulting in points.
Have we ever out coached or out schemed anybody? Enjoy your bye week ,but get your tourniquets ready. It's gonna be ugly.
-The Bengals are pound for pound as talented as any other nfl team right now.
- We have a tradition of sucking miserably on prime time games. We never fail to nut up at the most opportune moment and this is it.
- I dont think they forgot who knocked them out of the playoffs twice. There will be no quarter.
We'll look back after the bengals game and some of you will WISH we took that azz kicking before the bye. At least then we'd have a chance to make a change - any kind of change and implement it. Instead we won before the bye and we're dancin on our own grave since we're in first place. So tired of listening to radio personalities pimp this team due to our standings. This team sucks and on the off chance we creep into the playoffs we'll be humiliated. We squandered a chance to overhaul a piece of the team this week.
I realize watching the bengals/browns game 2 things:
-They've got an extended week to prepare for our game just like we do.
-They're doing some very unorthodox things on offense and i fully expect us to have blown assignments resulting in points.
Have we ever out coached or out schemed anybody? Enjoy your bye week ,but get your tourniquets ready. It's gonna be ugly.
Scooter
Funky
In the games we've won this year, teams have assumed they have a plan that doesn't include JJ Watt. I'm foggy on the Buccs, but both the Titans and Jags put very little emphasis on Watt. Everyone else has made him the focal point with 2 or more blockers on almost every play. The Panthers went a step further and had a great design to double+ both Watt and Clowney with a split-back formation. Considering what Watt has done against the Bengals, they'd be insane not to make him the entire focus of their blocking scheme. Assuming sanity, we stand almost no chance.
Of course that doesn't take into account an undefeated team versus a dumpster fire, and our prime-time failings - which have already counted this as a loss.
Of course that doesn't take into account an undefeated team versus a dumpster fire, and our prime-time failings - which have already counted this as a loss.
austins23
Hall of Fame
Get ready for the throw back to Dalton from Sanu, or just the WR pass from Sanu. Either one will go for a TD. Sanu was 3/3 last year throwing. Hasn't cut one loose yet this season though, wait for it.....
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Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
I'd like to believe the Bengals are ripe for a big upset. I am not drinking the Bengal juice because they will eventually collapse when it counts most. I can see them losing this game and starting all of the "what's wrong with the Bengals" articles. I think Watt is in the ginger's head, so unless they double and triple Watt, Dalton is going to be hearing footsteps all game. I predict the upset.
speedfreek
All Pro
>Who else thinks the Texans are going to crash and burn in 2015
Technically, I think they're still in a death spiral.
After the beatdown by Cincy they will officially have crashed and burned.
Technically, I think they're still in a death spiral.
After the beatdown by Cincy they will officially have crashed and burned.
Dancing on our grave....that's pretty funny...lol
speedfreek
All Pro
Hey, look at it this way:
Two weeks ago two teams from Nashville played two teams from Houston.
Vandy vs. UH
Titans vs. Texans
The Houston teams won.
Last/this week two teams from Cincinnati play/played two teams from Houston.
Bearcats vs. UH
Bengals vs. Texans
The Houston team won last weekend, so if the trend holds true the
Texans are guaranteed a victory!
Two weeks ago two teams from Nashville played two teams from Houston.
Vandy vs. UH
Titans vs. Texans
The Houston teams won.
Last/this week two teams from Cincinnati play/played two teams from Houston.
Bearcats vs. UH
Bengals vs. Texans
The Houston team won last weekend, so if the trend holds true the
Texans are guaranteed a victory!
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
LOL, Cincy doesnt need to come out with gimmicks and tricks! They need to do what they are naturally good at: run it up the middle against the softest front 7 in the league and dismantle the secondary with the intermediate passing game.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Why would any of those guys be listed in your post? Good grief.
They're pretty much the same or better. Why spend a high round pick on a questionable prospect when there were 5 more still on the board?
You can throw the Pats out of any conversation when it comes to QB - they are the exception to the rule. They went from a guy picked 1:1 (Drew Bledsoe) to being forced to play a guy picked 6:33 - #199 overall (a comp pick). If Bledsoe wouldn't have gotten hurt , we still wouldn't know who Brady is ....
The Dolts .... Manning 1:1 , Luck1:1.
Denver .... signed a former 1:1 as a free agent. Prior to Manning's arrival they were much like the Texans with Schaub at QB. Also-rans from the moment Elway (1:1) hung up his cleats.
The Packers went at things like an old school franchise with Rodgers sitting behind a hall of famer for a couple years - There was talk of Rodgers going as early as 1:1 and 23 teams are still kicking themselves for passing on him. Ugh , Travis Johnson , Really ?! Rodgers was the second QB drafted .... 9 pro bowlers were picked ahead of him.
The SeaDucks are the only team on your list who are really comparable to the Texans with Wilson being picked in round 3 when all the top talent at the position was taken before they picked in the 1st. They had their own version of Mullet & Hoyerable in Charlie Whitehurst & Tarvaris Jackson prior to drafting Wilson. The guy they had before that .... beat the Texans this year 400 year old Matt Hasselbeck .... Round 6 pick 21 #187 overall.
Don't forget that the SeaDucks also signed Matt Flynn the same year they drafted Wilson...
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Yep. He of the one great game in GB was signed to be the starter. Pretty big FA news that year. Anyone who tries to spin Seattle drafting Wilson as their immediate starter (or at all) is full of fertilizer. He got his shot because Flynn ended up being a one game wonder.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Two winnable games coming up against the Jets and Bills, if they do what they should there and manage to beat the Saints at home, could be at 7-5 by the time they play the Pats. 2 easy games to end the season vs Tenn and Jax, should leave us as division winners.
Billy has to get this team into the playoffs from this position, if he fails he needs to be gone.
The fact that there is still any chance left is unbelievably lucky for him, this season has been a horrible case of mismanagement on his part, but the cards have fallen into his lap.
Billy has to get this team into the playoffs from this position, if he fails he needs to be gone.
The fact that there is still any chance left is unbelievably lucky for him, this season has been a horrible case of mismanagement on his part, but the cards have fallen into his lap.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
My biggest fear with this thought is the Pats/Texans game would be flexed to SNF. Sunday night game that week is Seahawks @ Ravens, not exactly entertaining this year.
But Texans on SNF don't have a great record.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Texans vs. Pats don't have a great record.
That's probably the case for every team except the Giants for the past 15 years.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Paralysis by analysis. Im glad Cincy did what they did. That high school swinging gate stuff was cool to see again.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
In my scenario the Texans would be at 9-7 losing to Pats and Colts or 10-6 losing to the Pats and beating the Colts.
If you throw the form book from the first half of the season out of the window and simply evaluate based on where BO'B should have this franchise given the roster he inherited and the 2 off seasons he's had to improve on that, then I think the case can be made that anything less than that is failure (not that said failure wouldn't be in keeping with the season so far).
But yeah, I'm not exactly banking on a win over the Pats, luckily for the Texans, they play no other tier 1 opponents for th me rest of the schedule.
If you throw the form book from the first half of the season out of the window and simply evaluate based on where BO'B should have this franchise given the roster he inherited and the 2 off seasons he's had to improve on that, then I think the case can be made that anything less than that is failure (not that said failure wouldn't be in keeping with the season so far).
But yeah, I'm not exactly banking on a win over the Pats, luckily for the Texans, they play no other tier 1 opponents for th me rest of the schedule.