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Which QB should the Texans consider signing/trading for?

beerlover

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Reason why I ask is every situation is different and until you remove the situation from the talent it’s hard to evaluate without a long track record that could be reflective or not, given roster?

The one who clearly stands out to me as a rising star is Ben Johnson. Remarkable one Year transformation in Detroit (offensive talent about same).
 

steelbtexan

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Reason why I ask is every situation is different and until you remove the situation from the talent it’s hard to evaluate without a long track record that could be reflective or not, given roster?

The one who clearly stands out to me as a rising star is Ben Johnson. Remarkable one Year transformation in Detroit (offensive talent about same).
Detroit offensive talent is about the same as what?

What kind of staff can Johnson put together?
 

beerlover

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About same as the Texans. Their #1 need, QB. Did either team draft one, NO. Both teams invested in an Alabama WR coming off ACL. Only Williams saw action but not until very end of season. Texans/Lions both hired new OC. Just that Johnson proved he could salvage Geoff but Pep couldn’t do same for Mills.

Have no idea about staff he would hire? I’ve read he is the favorite odds for both Panthers & Colts for what that’s worth. I’m not trying to rush the process, but a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
:shoot:
 

Lucky

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Nathan Rourke, starting QB for the British Columbia Lions of the CFL is making the rounds interviewing with NFL teams. Has met with the Raiders and Broncos. The native Canadian is 24 and in his 2nd year in the CFL. A 3 year starter at Ohio University from 2017-19, Rourke is 6'1 215 lbs and an excellent athlete. Threw for over 3300 yards, 25 TDs passing and 7 rushing in 9 starts this season before a foot injury ended his season.

Young, experienced pro QB. Wouldn't cost a draft pick or a big investment. Could be a bridge for a future QB. Rourke runs 50 yards for a score at 1:30 in the video below.

Signed with Jacksonville.
 

steelbtexan

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About same as the Texans. Their #1 need, QB. Did either team draft one, NO. Both teams invested in an Alabama WR coming off ACL. Only Williams saw action but not until very end of season. Texans/Lions both hired new OC. Just that Johnson proved he could salvage Geoff but Pep couldn’t do same for Mills.

Have no idea about staff he would hire? I’ve read he is the favorite odds for both Panthers & Colts for what that’s worth. I’m not trying to rush the process, but a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
:shoot:
Yep I dont want to see Cal/Caserio get left out in the cold again. This is why even though Kalfka is my guy if Payton doesn't take the job, I'm ready to move on from Kalfka if he drags this thing out. Getting the best teachers on staff is as important to me as anything else, particularly when you've got several qualified candidates.
 

steelbtexan

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Dwight Stephenson says hello.

A second-round pick and the 48th player selected in the 1980 NFL Draft, excelled at center for the Miami Dolphins for eight seasons.

:coffee:
Mike Webster was the greatest center ever, Stephenson was the 2nd best. IMHO. Great player, I also loved how Dermontti Dawson dominated from the center position.

Funny that Stephenson came out of that racist Alabama program.
 

cuppacoffee

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Mike Webster was the greatest center ever, Stephenson was the 2nd best. IMHO. Great player, I also loved how Dermontti Dawson dominated from the center position.

Funny that Stephenson came out of that racist Alabama program.
Not a glamour position, but as critical as any other.
Seems to be two high ranking C this class. Maybe we will get lucky and find one there in the 4th.
If not, how about C from Arkansas, Ohio State?

:coffee:
 

beerlover

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Thought this was appropriate time to bring this skeleton out of the closet with possible availability of Daniel Jones, QB of the Giants and 2nd interview with Mike Kafka for Texans head coaching position. Imagine they cover his QB background and Daniel Jones development and availability reward/risk if hired. To me his comp is Texian favorite Blake Bortles.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/blake-bortles/3200424f-5265-0964-4a57-fb0d82ae917e

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/daniel-jones/32004a4f-4e16-5462-39a4-3b4fa743c66f
 

thunderkyss

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Thought this was appropriate time to bring this skeleton out of the closet with possible availability of Daniel Jones, QB of the Giants and 2nd interview with Mike Kafka for Texans head coaching position. Imagine they cover his QB background and Daniel Jones development and availability reward/risk if hired. To me his comp is Texian favorite Blake Bortles.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/blake-bortles/3200424f-5265-0964-4a57-fb0d82ae917e

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/daniel-jones/32004a4f-4e16-5462-39a4-3b4fa743c66f
I appreciate what Daniel Jones was able to do in NY. But he's not the kind of guy you go looking for.

If the HC can do something similar with Mills, great. If we're set on moving on, we should look for someone with a higher ceiling.

They were able to get Jones to cut down on mistakes & make good decisions. If they can do that with Mills great, but we should not be looking at him as the QB of the future. That guy is still out there & he's not Daniel Jones.
 

The Pencil Neck

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Thought this was appropriate time to bring this skeleton out of the closet with possible availability of Daniel Jones, QB of the Giants and 2nd interview with Mike Kafka for Texans head coaching position. Imagine they cover his QB background and Daniel Jones development and availability reward/risk if hired. To me his comp is Texian favorite Blake Bortles.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/blake-bortles/3200424f-5265-0964-4a57-fb0d82ae917e

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/daniel-jones/32004a4f-4e16-5462-39a4-3b4fa743c66f
This is making the assumption that Mike Kafka wants to make that deal.
 

beerlover

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This is making the assumption that Mike Kafka wants to make that deal.
sure, but his hiring would largely hinge on his view and analysis (Daniel Jones) or can they differentiate between Kafka and Daboll? Josh Allen seen by some as regressing from last year when Daboll was OC previous season with Bills. I don't know the answer to that question but its one I would be asking? Also who would be your staff and how would they improve the run defense, offensive system etc. etc.
 

GanadoUHCoog

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A significant question I have about QB is are we really considering a Lamar Jackson trade and if so would we pay some crazy price that I’ve seen on mock trades. I’ve seen #2 pick, #12 pick, #33, next years one and more for the right to pay Lamar Jackson like $200M guaranteed and be hamstrung by a very high QB hit on an otherwise relatively talentless roster and oh btw that QB is injury prone by his play style and is not really much of a passer. I don’t see it, not even remotely close. Put it this way I will be furious if we do it. Let somebody take that on and let us build this thing up from the bottom with our picks.
 

Texansphan

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A significant question I have about QB is are we really considering a Lamar Jackson trade and if so would we pay some crazy price that I’ve seen on mock trades. I’ve seen #2 pick, #12 pick, #33, next years one and more for the right to pay Lamar Jackson like $200M guaranteed and be hamstrung by a very high QB hit on an otherwise relatively talentless roster and oh btw that QB is injury prone by his play style and is not really much of a passer. I don’t see it, not even remotely close. Put it this way I will be furious if we do it. Let somebody take that on and let us build this thing up from the bottom with our picks.
Better off with Trey Lance - at least he would be cheaper.
 
Just throwing this out there, but I'm intrigued about the possibility of acquiring Trey Lance in a 'buy low' situation if the 49ers decide to roll with Brock Purdy after this season. Obviously, it depends what happens in the draft. But if by chance Caserio doesn't covet Young or Stroud that high and they get picked before #12, may be worth a conversation if we go full roster buildout in this draft. Certainly not the most likely scenario.
 

JB

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Just throwing this out there, but I'm intrigued about the possibility of acquiring Trey Lance in a 'buy low' situation if the 49ers decide to roll with Brock Purdy after this season. Obviously, it depends what happens in the draft. But if by chance Caserio doesn't covet Young or Stroud that high and they get picked before #12, may be worth a conversation if we go full roster buildout in this draft. Certainly not the most likely scenario.
What do you see in Trey Lance?
 
What do you see in Trey Lance?
No armchair scouting report here. Have seen little of Lance play in person. Strikes me as the classic 'tools' player that hasn't proven he can put it together because of situation and injury.

However, I don't think it's the worst plan ever to trade back from #2 overall, build the team and acquire a high-upside guy like Lance if he's available. Particularly, if we can use an asset like Brandin Cooks + #2 round draft pick (for example), to get him. Dripping tools, and may be just as good of chance of converting long term than Stround or Young or Levis.
 

JB

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No armchair scouting report here. Have seen little of Lance play in person. Strikes me as the classic 'tools' player that hasn't proven he can put it together because of situation and injury.

However, I don't think it's the worst plan ever to trade back from #2 overall, build the team and acquire a high-upside guy like Lance if he's available. Particularly, if we can use an asset like Brandin Cooks + #2 round draft pick (for example), to get him. Dripping tools, and may be just as good of chance of converting long term than Stround or Young or Levis.
Except you're getting an unknown on a first round contract with the cheapest two years gone. He's had 4 starts and thrown more int than TD.
 

steelbtexan

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No armchair scouting report here. Have seen little of Lance play in person. Strikes me as the classic 'tools' player that hasn't proven he can put it together because of situation and injury.

However, I don't think it's the worst plan ever to trade back from #2 overall, build the team and acquire a high-upside guy like Lance if he's available. Particularly, if we can use an asset like Brandin Cooks + #2 round draft pick (for example), to get him. Dripping tools, and may be just as good of chance of converting long term than Stround or Young or Levis.
Plus he knows the offense and if he doesn't stay healthy or doesn't perform well next yr Caserio can always draft a QB high in the 2024 draft.
 
Except you're getting an unknown on a first round contract with the cheapest two years gone. He's had 4 starts and thrown more int than TD.
That's true, and the downside of such a maneuver. However, if he can emerge I'd gladly pay the man. But you're also not tethered to the player when his contract comes up or throwing away a potential cornerstone defensive player by picking the wrong QB. That's why the paying Caserio to weigh the balance of risk.
 
Yep, and if he doesn't succeed then the Texans should have a high enough pick to get an elite QB in the 2024 draft.
People talk about grabbing a QB like it's no big deal - if he doesn't succeed just draft another one next year. But you are also NOT taking a cornerstone player in lieu of that selection, so it's a double penalty to take the wrong guy.

So again, I'm not saying don't draft Bryce Young (I think the pick has to be Young if the Texans draft a QB @ #2). I'm saying they better get their evaluation right, because it's deeply punitive from multiple perspectives to get 'mid'. Caserio needs to choose wisely. Combine on my radar...
 

OptimisticTexan

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I’ve found myself leaning heavily on signing Garoppolo once the 49’ers release him. He’s going to be the best veteran investment for the money. He could lead this offense, especially if Demeco brings in an OC that’s familiar with the offense that the 49’ers have been running. No one better than Garoppolo to handle the transition. Mills can compete for a roster spot, and the Texans could draft a QB in 2023 or 2024 to develop behind Garoppolo.
 
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Texansphan

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I’ve found myself leaning heavily on signing Garoppolo once the 49’ers release him. He’s going to be the best veteran investment for the money. He could lead this offense, especially if Demeco brings in an OC that’s familiar with the offense that the 49’ers have run. No one better than Garoppolo to handle the transition. Mills can compete for a roster spot, and the Texans could draft a QB in 2023 or 2024 to develop behind Garoppolo.
I like both Jimmy G and Derek C. I think they both have something to offer.
I especially like DCs fighting spirit and leadership.
 

Speedy

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People talk about grabbing a QB like it's no big deal - if he doesn't succeed just draft another one next year. But you are also NOT taking a cornerstone player in lieu of that selection, so it's a double penalty to take the wrong guy.

So again, I'm not saying don't draft Bryce Young (I think the pick has to be Young if the Texans draft a QB @ #2). I'm saying they better get their evaluation right, because it's deeply punitive from multiple perspectives to get 'mid'. Caserio needs to choose wisely. Combine on my radar...
Right, because all those non QBs the Bills drafted between Jim Kelly and Josh Allen really did wonders for them. BTW that's 5 winning seasons in that 21 year period.

And of course teams need to make the right picks. The only problem with that is, nobody knows who will end up being the right pick. All of these teams have professional scout teams assembled. They scout players, rank them, and target who they think will help from there. You think the Bengals would rather have TJ Watt at #9, who went 30th to the Steelers, or John Ross who they did take at 9? It isn't easy, even for those making a living doing it.

What we do know is that the NFL is a QB driven league. Yeah, you can win in a given year without a franchise QB, but that's the outlier. Rarely are you contending year in and year out without a top tier QB. For 31 years with Favre and Rodgers the Packers have always been in the mix. Between Favre and Starr they were non-relevant. The Bills between Kelly and Allen, non-factor. The Broncos between Elway and Manning, and then after Manning, not much. And I could go on and on.

Sure, it's important to get those other players too, the Bosa's, Donald's and Watt's of the world, but you're not going to be consistent contenders without a QB.
 

OptimisticTexan

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I like both Jimmy G and Derek C. I think they both have something to offer.
I especially like DCs fighting spirit and leadership.
I like both as well, but I believe Carr’s market value is far superior to Garoppolo’s. I wouldn’t be half surprised to see Carr get signed in SF…..unless Purdy has a big game today. I wonder how he’ll perform next season once team’s have film on him? Carr would provide a safety blanket they may not have after Garoppolo’s departure.
 
Right, because all those non QBs the Bills drafted between Jim Kelly and Josh Allen really did wonders for them. BTW that's 5 winning seasons in that 21 year period.

And of course teams need to make the right picks. The only problem with that is, nobody knows who will end up being the right pick. All of these teams have professional scout teams assembled. They scout players, rank them, and target who they think will help from there. You think the Bengals would rather have TJ Watt at #9, who went 30th to the Steelers, or John Ross who they did take at 9? It isn't easy, even for those making a living doing it.

What we do know is that the NFL is a QB driven league. Yeah, you can win in a given year without a franchise QB, but that's the outlier. Rarely are you contending year in and year out without a top tier QB. For 31 years with Favre and Rodgers the Packers have always been in the mix. Between Favre and Starr they were non-relevant. The Bills between Kelly and Allen, non-factor. The Broncos between Elway and Manning, and then after Manning, not much. And I could go on and on.

Sure, it's important to get those other players too, the Bosa's, Donald's and Watt's of the world, but you're not going to be consistent contenders without a QB.
Exactly, so my focus is on getting the right one vs. just picking one. Again, if there was a Burrow, Manning, Luck, Lawrence type high percentage hit type of QB in this draft, I'm all for it. I don't think there is one in this draft, so got to tread lightly. I'm not part of the draft one at all costs camp since we're picking high, because of the incredible damage missing will entail. So, we will agree to disagree... Unfortunate we sucked this badly in a year where Tier-1 Qb talent is questionable, but it is what it is. Let's see hat happens at the combine and how Young/Stroud/Levis do in the individual drills. A lot can change from a perspective POV.
 
Exactly, so my focus is on getting the right one vs. just picking one. Again, if there was a Burrow, Manning, Luck, Lawrence type high percentage hit type of QB in this draft, I'm all for it. I don't think there is one in this draft, so got to tread lightly. I'm not part of the draft one at all costs camp since we're picking high, because of the incredible damage missing will entail. So, we will agree to disagree... Unfortunate we sucked this badly in a year where Tier-1 Qb talent is questionable, but it is what it is. Let's see hat happens at the combine and how Young/Stroud/Levis do in the individual drills. A lot can change from a perspective POV.
For example, has anyone even entertained the notion that perhaps Bryce Young isn't quite the same guy playing at 205-210 pounds than he did at 185? It's quite possible his cone drill and straight line speed take a bit of a hit trying to beef up to NFL norms. A lot can happen with the combine, so we should all wait and get a clearly picture before jumping into any conclusions on who to pick.
 

Speedy

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Exactly, so my focus is on getting the right one vs. just picking one. Again, if there was a Burrow, Manning, Luck, Lawrence type high percentage hit type of QB in this draft, I'm all for it. I don't think there is one in this draft, so got to tread lightly. I'm not part of the draft one at all costs camp since we're picking high, because of the incredible damage missing will entail. So, we will agree to disagree... Unfortunate we sucked this badly in a year where Tier-1 Qb talent is questionable, but it is what it is. Let's see hat happens at the combine and how Young/Stroud/Levis do in the individual drills. A lot can change from a perspective POV.
My point was, just because YOU don’t think there’s that type of QB in this draft, doesn’t mean there isn’t one. The Texans will make their pick on their evaluations. If it’s the right pick or not, even if it’s not a QB, no one knows.

Again, what is known is that they need a QB.
 

Speedy

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They also need two WRs, a 3tech, a Mike backer, a TE, a RB.

I’m kinda hoping Indy gets Bryce Young.

I worry that they’ll take CJ Stroud. I’m not liking the idea of passing on Stroud. But if we can get Levis or Hooker at 12/23 I wouldn’t be too upset.
Of course they need all of that as well, but without a QB they’re not going to be consistent winners.

And again, the consensus here seems to be the QB class ain’t all that, but you’re good going 3, 4 down the list to take one. OK, whatever.
 

thunderkyss

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They also need two WRs, a 3tech, a Mike backer, a TE, a RB.

I’m kinda hoping Indy gets Bryce Young.

I worry that they’ll take CJ Stroud. I’m not liking the idea of passing on Stroud. But if we can get Levis or Hooker at 12/23 I wouldn’t be too upset.
Forgot about Richardson
 
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santo

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They also need two WRs, a 3tech, a Mike backer, a TE, a RB.

I’m kinda hoping Indy gets Bryce Young.

I worry that they’ll take CJ Stroud. I’m not liking the idea of passing on Stroud. But if we can get Levis or Hooker at 12/23 I wouldn’t be too upset.
I think if the Colts were to take a qb, they’ll trade up for Stroud, which I like out of all of them.
 

steelbtexan

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I’ve found myself leaning heavily on signing Garoppolo once the 49’ers release him. He’s going to be the best veteran investment for the money. He could lead this offense, especially if Demeco brings in an OC that’s familiar with the offense that the 49’ers have been running. No one better than Garoppolo to handle the transition. Mills can compete for a roster spot, and the Texans could draft a QB in 2023 or 2024 to develop behind Garoppolo.
Looks like a plan to me.
 

steelbtexan

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My point was, just because YOU don’t think there’s that type of QB in this draft, doesn’t mean there isn’t one. The Texans will make their pick on their evaluations. If it’s the right pick or not, even if it’s not a QB, no one knows.

Again, what is known is that they need a QB.
You dont know there is one either.

Cal will probably base his decision on who can put the most butts in the seats vs the kinds of evals you're talking about. Atleast that's what Cal's dad did.
 
My point was, just because YOU don’t think there’s that type of QB in this draft, doesn’t mean there isn’t one. The Texans will make their pick on their evaluations. If it’s the right pick or not, even if it’s not a QB, no one knows.

Again, what is known is that they need a QB.
Well, obviously. Nobody knows for 100% certainty who will or won't pan out. Have to trust you scouting report and there's a reason why there's no true consensus like Lawrence or Luck or Manning this year... it's because all of these QBs have significant holes in their game or questions about translatibility at the NFL level. Will Levis is Mel Kiper's top QB for God sakes.... So it becomes a matter of risk as much as need.

Again - and I will keep saying this until the draft - the team cannot and must not miss on a high lottery QB because you get double penalized from not getting a core player and it's hard to move off a Top 3 QB. You waste a minimum of 3 years on your rebuild and enter a very bad place. I wish there was a more surefire player to choose from relative to this draft position, but there just isn't.

Let's see what happens @ the Combine. A lot can still in terms of perceptions. Today's opinions may shift after we see the measurables and peer comparisons on neutral field.
 
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thunderkyss

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Of course they need all of that as well, but without a QB they’re not going to be consistent winners.

And again, the consensus here seems to be the QB class ain’t all that, but you’re good going 3, 4 down the list to take one. OK, whatever.
It's a process. Get a Deshaun Watson level QB & we could win 4 games.

:thinking:

All I want from a QB for the next two seasons is accurate throws & good decisions. Think Alex Smith.

I want a solid foundation to have been built over the next two seasons that I can plug in a QB in 2025, 2026, or 2027 to a team that will know how to run routes, set up screens, run the ball, stop the run, & provide more than a speed bump for opposing QBs.

Yeah, if there's a Peyton Manning in this draft I hope we're able to get him with the 2nd pick. If there's a Roethlisberger, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brees, I hope we can get him at 12.

I don't want to draft even a Watson at 1.2... that's not drafting well.
 


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