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Which off-season moves would you like the Texans to make? (Roster/FA)

EJ Gaines went for a mere 1 year 4 million prove it contract with the Browns. Would have loved to add him to the CB room at those numbers but he most likely sees an open path to being a starter there than he would here.

It seems the Butler/Trumaine Johnson contracts were grossly overpaid in retrospect now that we see that 2nd tier of CBs like Jo Jo and Gaines taking much cheaper contracts without a significant dip in production.
 
This is why the best free agent contracts happen after the first feeding frenzy, meaning in the weeks that follow leading up to the preseason. Football is emotional not just on the field but in the front offices and war rooms.
 
beerlover said:
This is why the best free agent contracts happen after the first feeding frenzy, meaning in the weeks that follow leading up to the preseason. Football is emotional not just on the field but in the front offices and war rooms.
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Among the remaining unsigned free agents who would like to see the Texans go after BL ?
 
beerlover said:
Cameron Fleming, LT
Day one starting stop gap LT
Kenny Vaccaro, S
Add to honey badger, solidifying back-end
Benny Logan, DT
Always solid underrated d-line man

Just three former high picks that fit scheme and salary cap.
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I have a feeling Fleming is getting lowball offers similar to EJ Gaines and will wait until after the draft to see if someone sweetens the deal. If the Texans can get him here for 6-7 mill/year I say do it!

Would prefer Tre Boston over Vaccaro if we add a vet safety to the mix.

Logan would be a solid depth addition.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I have a feeling Fleming is getting lowball offers similar to EJ Gaines and will wait until after the draft to see if someone sweetens the deal. If the Texans can get him here for 6-7 mill/year I say do it!

Would prefer Tre Boston over Vaccaro if we add a vet safety to the mix.

Logan would be a solid depth addition.
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I like Vaccaro more because interchangeable with Tyrann, skill set and both similar age coming off injury rehab. It would be a dynamic tandem, and it’s not going to take much to get er done.

Maybe Texans trade some of their late round picks for another teams LT not via free agency?
 
beerlover said:
I like Vaccaro more because interchangeable with Tyrann, skill set and both similar age coming off injury rehab. It would be a dynamic tandem, and it’s not going to take much to get er done.

Maybe Texans trade some of their late round picks for another teams LT not via free agency?
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The way vets and more importantly their salary are getting exchanged for draft picks that seems like a viable scenario. Texans have plenty of cap room... not sure who would be a candidate.

It took a 6th for the Broncos to get low end starting RT Jared Veldheer and his salary from Arizona. I’d imagine a cash strapped team needing to unload a LT salary would take at least a 4th if they are even a mediocre player.
 
TheRealJoker said:
The way vets and more importantly their salary are getting exchanged for draft picks that seems like a viable scenario. Texans have plenty of cap room... not sure who would be a candidate.

It took a 6th for the Broncos to get low end starting RT Jared Veldheer and his salary from Arizona. I’d imagine a cash strapped team needing to unload a LT salary would take at least a 4th if they are even a mediocre player.
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TRJ, Here's an article that gives you the candidate and the plan to get him: https://houseofhouston.com/2018/03/23/houston-texans-team-trade-dolphins-tackle-jawuan-james/

Sounds interesting but don't know if the Texans are interested.
 
Insideop said:
TRJ, Here's an article that gives you the candidate and the plan to get him: https://houseofhouston.com/2018/03/23/houston-texans-team-trade-dolphins-tackle-jawuan-james/

Sounds interesting but don't know if the Texans are interested.
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I would like to get James... maybe via draft day trade? But not at the prices mentioned in the article. And definitely without a long term contract in place so as to avoid a Sammy Watkins trade situation.

But it appears that he is staying put:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/phinph...awuan-james-9-million-bring-back-brendel/amp/
 
WolverineFan said:
Not a big loss. Fleming is essentially Derek Newton without the injury issues. There's a reason he had zero market despite plenty of teams needing OT help.
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But couldn't we really use a Derek Newton without injuries about now ?
Maybe not because apparently Gain didn't even make an effort to schedule Fleming for a visit with the Texans ?
 
Isn't there a 33-35 year old LT we could sign out of retirement? (This would be an after the draft scenario if we don't get someone or if the team isn't convinced that Davenport is ready)
 
Insideop said:
TRJ, Here's an article that gives you the candidate and the plan to get him: https://houseofhouston.com/2018/03/23/houston-texans-team-trade-dolphins-tackle-jawuan-james/

Sounds interesting but don't know if the Texans are interested.
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Posted this March 12 in the Injury Thread:

CloakNNNdagger said:
Seems like a good candidate for a RT. However, his hamstring issue would definitely concern me. Although the exact nature of this hamstring injury has never been reported, it was severe enough to place him on IR in Nov. Furthermore, his injury was initially identified a "groin" injury with groin pain. This tells me an important piece of the puzzle.............that his proximal hamstring TENDON, not muscle, was partially torn or chronically shredding. Nonoperative treatment of proximal hamstring tendon injuries is most commonly recommended in the setting of low-grade partial tears and insertional tendinosis (chronic shredding/degeneration). In general, non-operative treatment in higher level athletes has not been effective, as up to 80% complain of ongoing cramping and weakness. Future surgery would seem to be a significant risk in taking James on.
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infantrycak said:
Around here, for many, not signing someone is proof they didn't try.
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That's not at all my attitude. Collectively folks around here track the Texans FA activity in a very capable manner and therefor if there was any effort
by the Texans to secure a meeting with Fleming I'm confidant it would have been promptly reported on this board, unless of course Gain communicated with Fleming or his agent strictly thru back channels but that's unlikely in these days of hyper social media in the sports world.
 
Yeah nowadays every time any team even hosts a notable FA it's reported on rotoworld (they confirmed that Dallas was Fleming's only FA visit)

So at best, we only contacted his agent. No way of knowing really if this ever happened tho so the assumption of course is we did not even try
 
IDEXAN said:
That's not at all my attitude. Collectively folks around here track the Texans FA activity in a very capable manner and therefor if there was any effort
by the Texans to secure a meeting with Fleming I'm confidant it would have been promptly reported on this board, unless of course Gain communicated with Fleming or his agent strictly thru back channels but that's unlikely in these days of hyper social media in the sports world.
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You're fooling yourself if you think more than a minor percentage of team interests & efforts ever get leaked to be reported. And duh, it's not a back channel to call up an agent on a telephone, have a conference call to discuss interest, possible position change, role in the team, expected salary range...and then decide it's not a good fit and move on.

And it's GAINE.

vupac1 said:
No way of knowing really if this ever happened tho so the assumption of course is we did not even try
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Thx for confirming what I said. You assume no interest/effort.
 
IDEXAN said:
That's not at all my attitude. Collectively folks around here track the Texans FA activity in a very capable manner and therefor if there was any effort
by the Texans to secure a meeting with Fleming I'm confidant it would have been promptly reported on this board, unless of course Gain communicated with Fleming or his agent strictly thru back channels but that's unlikely in these days of hyper social media in the sports world.
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Well, I actually know an NFL player. Besides the team originally he signed with as UDFA there were around 8-10 teams that talked with him or his agent during the draft including the Texans. Vrabel talked with him around 30 minutes before draft day and he took several team visits that to our knowledge were never reported anywhere and certainly not on this board.

Do we know every player that the Texans had the 15 minute combine interview with?

What about the 30 players they bring in the for workout/visits?

Fans really only know enough to keep it interesting for us, but honestly, we only get a tip of the iceberg of communication that happens between teams and players/agents.
 
IDEXAN said:
That's not at all my attitude. Collectively folks around here track the Texans FA activity in a very capable manner and therefor if there was any effort
by the Texans to secure a meeting with Fleming I'm confidant it would have been promptly reported on this board, unless of course Gain communicated with Fleming or his agent strictly thru back channels but that's unlikely in these days of hyper social media in the sports world.
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So if Brian Gain makes a phone call to Bill Bloggs, Flemings agent, the whole world knows about it?
It is also possible that Fleming may have only been interested in one team and was not about to bother with other teams.
That, is not on Brian Gaine, unless you think he needs to send the Texans police after him and drag him here in handcuffs.
 
Since OB has taken over as HC the “leaks” on who Texans are interested in/taken visits with have gone down tremendously.

And thus far in free agency with Gaine as GM instead of Smith they are virtually nonexistant. Local and national reporters have been proven more often than not that their “sources” and rumors regarding the team hold about as much weight (sometimes much less) than a post from someone on this forum.
 
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infantrycak said:
You're fooling yourself if you think more than a minor percentage of team interests & efforts ever get leaked to be reported. And duh, it's not a back channel to call up an agent on a telephone, have a conference call to discuss interest, possible position change, role in the team, expected salary range...and then decide it's not a good fit and move on.

And it's GAINE.



Thx for confirming what I said. You assume no interest/effort.
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Not MY assumption.. I meant the assumption of most on this board
 
Texansphan said:
So if Brian Gain makes a phone call to Bill Bloggs, Flemings agent, the whole world knows about it?
It is also possible that Fleming may have only been interested in one team and was not about to bother with other teams.
That, is not on Brian Gaine, unless you think he needs to send the Texans police after him and drag him here in handcuffs.
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Ok understand I'm guilty of jumping to conclusions, still surprises me that Fleming didn't come down to his hometown for a visit given that the Texans are one of the top shoppers in free agency this year for OTs.
 
IDEXAN said:
Ok understand I'm guilty of jumping to conclusions, still surprises me that Fleming didn't come down to his hometown for a visit given that the Texans are one of the top shoppers in free agency this year for OTs.
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That occurred to me too.
Perhaps he wanted the opportunity to work with one of the top lines in the league.
 
IDEXAN said:
Ok understand I'm guilty of jumping to conclusions, still surprises me that Fleming didn't come down to his hometown for a visit given that the Texans are one of the top shoppers in free agency this year for OTs.
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Makes sense to me if his agent told them he was looking for a Solder type deal and the Texans were considering about 3/4 of that at best
 
Texansphan said:
That occurred to me too.
Perhaps he wanted the opportunity to work with one of the top lines in the league.
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I think we've got more cap space and for sure more in need of starters at offensive tackle than Dallas so even more puzzling that Fleming wouldn't atleast come down for a visit and chat with the new GM ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I think we've got more cap space and for sure more in need of starters at offensive tackle than Dallas so even more puzzling that Fleming wouldn't atleast come down for a visit and chat with the new GM ?
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Dallas needed a starting RT just like we did and their OL situation is light years better than ours plus they have a young stud RB and a solid young QB.
 
WolverineFan said:
Dallas needed a starting RT just like we did and their OL situation is light years better than ours plus they have a young stud RB and a solid young QB.
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OK did not know they were in need of a starting OT so if that opportunity was there with the Dallas formerly known as "Americas team" Cowboys then it all makes more sense.
Still I think Gaine had more cap resources to work with than Dallas did, so it's gonna be interesting to see what kind of a deal Fleming gets ?
 
LT and backup QB are needs 1A and 1B, with TE not far behind imo.

And QB is the one that we really need a vet at for sure. There are a couple of journeyman vets out there with considerable playing experience including one with experience in this system.

I'm a bit perplexed as to why we haven't signed Matt Moore or Weeden. We could then draft a guy late to groom as a future number 2.
 
They might be waiting until after the draft to even look at FA QBs.

One of the teams that drafts a QB will inevitably part ways with one of their backups at some point. Maybe that's where they are hoping to address the position.
 
bah007 said:
They might be waiting until after the draft to even look at FA QBs.

One of the teams that drafts a QB will inevitably part ways with one of their backups at some point. Maybe that's where they are hoping to address the position.
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Good point especially since the expectation is for not just a couple but maybe a half dozen or so QBs drafted high this year.
 
bah007 said:
They might be waiting until after the draft to even look at FA QBs.

One of the teams that drafts a QB will inevitably part ways with one of their backups at some point. Maybe that's where they are hoping to address the position.
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Yep. For instance, Cleveland has 4 QB's on roster already and is expected to draft one top 5. One, or even both, of Kevin Hogan and Cody Kessler is likely to be cut.
 
They might be waiting until after the draft to even look at FA QBs.
One of the teams that drafts a QB will inevitably part ways with one of their backups at some point. Maybe that's where they are hoping to address the position.
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You mean Free Agency isnt over??? There might be players available down the road that are unavailable now?
 
bah007 said:
They might be waiting until after the draft to even look at FA QBs.

One of the teams that drafts a QB will inevitably part ways with one of their backups at some point. Maybe that's where they are hoping to address the position.
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I get that. But I'd rather put one under contract now that I can live with. We can always sign another one if one pops open that they have clearly rated higher. With Watson's injury history, his playing style and a shaky line, I don't want to rely on a rookie or someone off the steet midseason.
 
On September 24, 2017, Fleming made his first start of the season at left tackle against the Houston Texans.[9] He finished the 2017 season with five consecutive starts to finish the regular season. On January 21, 2018, Fleming started at right tackle in the AFC Championship game, making his first career postseason start.[10] Two weeks later, he started at right tackle in the Super Bowl, where the Patriots lost to the Philadelphia Eagles 33-41.
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3.5 M is a surprisingly low number given the dearth of offensive tackle talent on the market in this years FA ? And of course Gaine could have matched that and easily gone well above it if so inclined.
Th man started the last 5 games of the just ended 2017 season including the SB in January and he's only 25.
Difficult to see how he's that bad and still start and play in a bunch of games for Belichick just months ago ?
And Dallas apparently thinks he good enough to make their roster which is certainly superior to ours in the OLine.
 
infantrycak said:
You place weight in the fact he started a few games as a reserve for Belichick and none that Belichick wouldn't even pay him $3.5 mil. Odd.
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What I place weight in is how odd Belichick has been lately about the way he's treated/ handled a couple of his players like Fleming & Malcolm Butler ?
Maybe he's been hanging around with Trump at Mar a Logo, where he reportedly has a membership, taking stupid pills from Trump.
 
IDEXAN said:
What I place weight in is how odd Belichick has been lately about the way he's treated/ handled a couple of his players like Fleming & Malcolm Butler ?
Maybe he's been hanging around with Trump at Mar a Logo, where he reportedly has a membership, taking stupid pills from Trump.
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Why can't you people ever keep your F@$#ing Politics OUT of sports!?!?! They ALL suck and don't give a **** about any of you morons pandering to either side...
 
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