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Which off-season moves would you like the Texans to make? (Roster/FA)
- Thread starter tomjn80
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I draft a guy like Crosby to play LG and eventually provide competition for Davenport at LT. Davenport would be my swing OT this yr and hopefully can develop into something more.
My OL would look like this.
Nsekhe/Crosby/Martin/Pugh/Hubbard.
Reserves
Mancz/Fuller/Austin Corbett or Alex Cappa/Davenport
A deep young OL with lots of room to grow/improve. This is all about how much Gaine is willing to invest in the OL. With Watson, I think you have to invest whatever it takes to try to keep him healthy. Draft picks/Trades/FA etc...
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Norwell/Butler would certainly go a long way towards turning our 4-12 record into a 12-4!
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Andre Smith OT (Cin.) Age 31 a noted run blocker. If he is the right price would likely make a good fit and would open up our run game if we could run to both sides of the field.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Smith originally ruptured his triceps Nov 2014 in a game against the Texans and underwent surgery. In Oct 2016, he again suffered a triceps rupture. After his first rupture, his performance dropped straight down, even moreso after the second. He played most of his career at RT, but when signed last year by the Bengals, because of their OL mess, he was positioned at all but LG and overall did not fare well. When he played RT, he performed decently in run blocking, but as should have been expected, he was a turnstile in pass blocking. He should never be expected to play RT.........as both of his triceps ruptures were of the right arm.....the arm that requires extreme leverage when containing an outside pass rush playing RT.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I agree with your thoughts and want neither. No trades unless for Cushing..well for right deals Watt, Mercilus or Clowney. I do not expect offers I would accept but crazy things occur.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You're going to take a 6'8" always OT, just started in the SB, high LT dollar free agent and give him a whirl at LG? - just because you're that sure Davenport can't play RT?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
In your scenario, I would be more inclined to start Solder at LT, have Mancz back at Center and stick Matin in between them...provided I could sign Norwell and have him at RG. That could mean Davenport would get his chance at RT. Add quality depth to this group and it could be a solid step in the right direction.
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Draft Corbett or Crosby and you should have the type of OL that will take you far in the playoffs.
If you built this OL and drafted a couple of DB's in the 3rd and a TE like Fumagalli in the 4th, I think we would get to see the best of Watson. But you would have to blow most of your cap on Norwell and Solder (He probably will be franchised) but it would be worth it for me.
LOL
If BOB/Devlin put out that OL I wouldn't be for firing them.
They should be shot by Toro at midfield.
Well, sure let's go get two of the three best OLmen in free agency and stick them in our line...I would be all in for that too...I suspect the Texans might be able to have one of them sign and then have to pick a system guy or two from the lower tiers of free agency along with a couple of draft picks.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I agree. My stance has been to sign Norwell. My response was working off the post by badboy which also has its merits provided then Texans had the Browns cap space to work with and I really don't think the Patriots are going to let Solder walk when the market is weak on LT's. My bet, Tom Brady is already in Solder's ear about staying and protecting his blindside. If the Patriots let Solder walk, where do they get another Solder?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The Pats drafted Antonio Garcia (more natural LT) last year.
Right on, I like that plan.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Just read my post and want to clarify what I was trying to say. Davenport and Kolton Miller could start LT this season if no Solder. If Solder is signed and I have my doubts, he would start LT as long as he can play it well and if in (?) years he loses a bit Davenport would start and Solder could play LG or probably RT. I would think maybe hope is better word that we would have players ready to push Solder out of starter roles as he ages but if not he should play well thru a 5-6 year contract at some spot on oline. I'm not real high on playing Martin at either G. He needs to earn his deal at center. I'm not against bring Mancz back but think he will likely he get big offers elsewhere. I'm predicting Kyle Fuller to take up at OG. My concern is OBrien may think he can go with Fuller rather than pay big bucks for Norwell. I think Allen has a chance to start LG. i don't think Davenport will do well at RT.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I don't get that some of you seem to think a free agent will take up most cap space for 2018. A deal can be spread over the years of contract not all $60 million in 2018 goes to one or two players. We seeming go through this each off season. I have given examples that show we could sign several players.
badboy
Hall of Fame
For what it's worth, Martinas Rankins Miss St OT has been compared by some to Antonio Garcia. He could be available in our third. I really liked Garcia when he enterred draft.
CloakNNNdagger
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It wouldn't surprise me if he's there in the 3rd round. The beginning of Oct last year, he sustained a significant high ankle sprain. I don't think he missed more than a game or so, but the injury dogged him throughout the rest of the season, as he never was given the time for adequate rest and rehab. That's probably why he chose not to participate in the Senior Bowl.
badboy
Hall of Fame
That is my info also doc but many other sources are ranking him before #68. draft is really gonna be last minute for my mock and after free agency has been settled.
zshawn10
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Nighthawk99
Waterboy
Do any other big-name have players do any "recruiting" or is hop the only one?
zshawn10
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Free agent CB David Amerson, a rare veteran available in February, is visiting the #Texans today, source says. He’s got 3 more visits this week after that one, had a full week last week.
6:23 AM - Feb 12, 2018
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Free agent CB David Amerson, a rare veteran available in February, is visiting the #Texans today, source says. He’s got 3 more visits this week after that one, had a full week last week.
6:23 AM - Feb 12, 2018
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Houston Texans TE and @JHSSkyhawks grad C.J. Fiedorowicz mulls retirement after 3 concussions this season http://www.nwherald.com/2018/02/11/houston-texans-tight-end-c-j-fiedorowicz-mulls-retirement/a55hfsk/ …
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infantrycak
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CB Vonte Davis has been medically cleared and can be signed by any team immediately. Certainly should kick the tires.
Last season the Colts said he was healthy and playing badly. He said he was injured. They released him. He went and had surgery. Some sort of core muscle issue. Maybe @CloakNNNdagger can shed some light on that one.
Last season the Colts said he was healthy and playing badly. He said he was injured. They released him. He went and had surgery. Some sort of core muscle issue. Maybe @CloakNNNdagger can shed some light on that one.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Nov 2017 adductor/"sports hernia" surgery.......he didn't play long enough to get another concussion
Aug 2017 groin tear.....missed over a month.......but tried to return in Nov and tore his adductor from the bone
Nov 2016 back in boot for ankle..........when comes back the very end of Nov, tears his groin
Oct 2016 concussion (#3 in 3 years)
Aug 2016 ankle ligament injury......missed a month
Feb 2016 foot surgery
Oct 2015 significant foot ligament/cartilage injury followed by hamstring the rest of the year
Sep 2015 concussion
Jan 2015 re-injured knee
Oct thru Nov 14 knee injury would have missed more games but had a 2 week concussion protocol in Dec.when he came back still knee problems
Jan 2014 groin tear aggravated
Nov 2013 groin tear, extended the tear the end of Dec
2012 severe foot sprain-torn ankle ligaments missed several games then went on to a severe MCL tear missed several games and continued foot problems
Sept 2011 hamstring missed numerous games throughout the season in addition to playing poorly when in games
Before that, dealt with various knee, wrist (fracture), hamstring injuries
His many disciplinary barring from playing by the team and league were felt to mask some of his significant injuries.
There goes the air out of that balloon.
I would still sign Davis for the vet min.
He will get much more than that.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
After missing only 2 games through his first 3 seasons, last year, a concussion, a shoulder injury and a severe foot injury in week 7 which was discovered by evaluating him for the shoulder injury. That foot injury did not let him return to the field the rest of the season, as every time he attempted to return to practice, he suffered a setback. His foot injury after it first occurred was described as a ligament injury, however there was denial that it was be a Lisfranc. After not being able to return to the field for over 11 weeks, I feel that his foot injury is indeed likely a Lisfranc injury.
zshawn10
All Pro
maybe which is why they will give him a full physical and plus:
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
Former Raiders corner David Amerson's Texans visit today includes physical on foot, meetings with coaches and general manager Brian Gaine
9:42 AM - Feb 12, 2018
CloakNNNdagger
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Past Texans history makes that very assuring, doesn't it?
Perki-Perk
DieHard Texan!
Doc, don't they have new staff in that department of evaluation?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Calling Dr. Fine (Moe)...calling Dr. Fine (Curly)...calling Dr. Fine (Larry), no wonder this never goes right...yuk-yuk-yuk.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
No! Does that surprise anyone?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Unfortunately, it should be obvious that any poor evaluations made by the Medical staff can and usually undermines or undoes any potential good that the ancillary staff such as trainers and strength and conditioning coaches may contribute.
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Actually it is a bit surprising. I thought Gaine would go with folks he knows.
Maybe revamping the medical staff is still in the works.
...or is the lack of change due to the Texans' ties to Methodist Hospital.
...just wondering aloud
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
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As I've posted in the past, the team doctors/hospitals pay for the "honor" of their selection. It is usually a choice made independent of the GM by the owner........and only accountable to the team owner.
hmmmm....
something about that doesn't feel right....
then again, the only other option is for them to be hired by the team/league which feels worse.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
It looks like they were interested in trading for Butler while targeting the OL players in FA. As for Butler, he's there for the taking without having to give up picks or players, Gaine just needs to find out what the dollar figure has to be and would it be something the Texans could live with.
If the Texans were to pursue and successfully sign Solder, Norwell and Butler....that's probably going to average 36M a season. On the less expensive front, TJ Carrie could really help finalize the CB issue. And on an even less expensive move, I'd add Seantrel Henderson for competition at RT.
I think Gaine and the Texans would have no other option but to cut Cushing, Allen, L. Miller, and K. Jackson to help create the room needed to sign the above players while leaving some wiggle room for later. As for Jackson, he'd have to know that cutting him would be the most logical route for the team unless he would be willing to sit down and renegotiate his contract for less pay and agree to a position change to FS.
These moves could certainly change the face of the draft for the Texans. This is still early and it's hard to predict which players become cap casualties.
I'd really like to see DJ Chark hang in RD3 but his stock is rising and I'm getting the feeling that once he performs at the Combine he could viewed as a late RD1 or RD2 pick.
CloakNNNdagger
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The Oline personnel listed are only a potential available list to look at. As far as Butler, he was threatening a hold out in early 2017. He strongly voiced his desire to be traded................but only to the Saints. The Saints held the Nos. 11, 32, and 42 picks in the 2017 Draft and the Pats wanted 2 of those picks in return. That was never going to happen. And certainly if the Texans inquired, Butler was not entertaining any other team........and the Texans were never going to be able to seriously bid on his services with their obvious need for QB. There was never going to be any real move to go for Butler.
Are you saying the front office just made a "list" but never made any inquiries as to availability or trade price?
CloakNNNdagger
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The first sentence re. a Butler trade was a separate thought from the above sentence. None of these players would be FAs until 2018, at which time they could entertain targeting them.
infantrycak
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Or they explored trades. Last year of a contract is prime time for a trade due to cap ramifications.
Either (trade or wait for F/A) is possible.
Not sure how probable trade was (whenever this occurred - no info on timeline in that little snippet).
We don't have much trade capital (meaning picks) so I would guess the F/A route is more viable at the present time.
Not sure how probable trade was (whenever this occurred - no info on timeline in that little snippet).
We don't have much trade capital (meaning picks) so I would guess the F/A route is more viable at the present time.
CloakNNNdagger
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The Chiefs have signed former Oakland Raiders starting CB David Amerson.
Ouch?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
That usually doesn't stop the Texans .