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Which off-season moves would you like the Texans to make? (Roster/FA)

TheRealJoker said:
I think he’s entering free agency. Would love to get Solder on this OL!
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I watched Solder to night in the Super Bowl. Did a very good job. We need to do everything we can to get him. Pats have two players that they must decide to franchis and Solder is one of them. As long as they don't pick Solder to tag, we should be able to out bid most everyone else.
 
edo783 said:
I watched Solder to night in the Super Bowl. Did a very good job. We need to do everything we can to get him. Pats have two players that they must decide to franchis and Solder is one of them. As long as they don't pick Solder to tag, we should be able to out bid most everyone else.
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Who is the other player? Before tonight I would have said Butler for sure, but now?
 
I prefer power to ZBS but IMO neither Watson or our RB corps whatever that ends up being will do well in power. We could win bidding war for Solder but should we go 'sky limit'? No. We can pull in some good DBs + Tyrod Taylor and perhaps Watkins.
 
Pats OL coach Dante Scarnecchia is a legend in the Alex Gibbs mold. He’s either retiring or staying in New England.

I do wish we had made a run at the Bears new OL coach Harry Hiestand. He has been Notre Dame’s OL coach since 2012 when they have pumped out stud OL like Zack Martin and Ronnie Stanley and even our own Nick Martin. This year Notre Dame OG Quenton Nelson is maybe the best prospect in the entire NFL Draft. It’s not a coincidence that Notre Dame has become an OL factory under Hiestand. I expect the Bears to have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL as long as he is their OL coach.
 
So Malcolm Butler had a terrible season and was benched for the Super Bowl. Prior to that he was one of the best young CBs in the game similar to Bouye except he had multiple seasons of success prior to this season where his play dipped dramatically. You could say his lack of measurables finally caught up to him... or maybe it was a confidence issue seeing the Patriots give Stephon Gilmore the contract he was asking for last offseason and feeling like the team didn’t believe in him/changed his role on defense accordingly?

Do the Texans take a chance on him this offseason hoping to get the pro bowl version?
 
edo783 said:
I watched Solder to night in the Super Bowl. Did a very good job. We need to do everything we can to get him. Pats have two players that they must decide to franchis and Solder is one of them. As long as they don't pick Solder to tag, we should be able to out bid most everyone else.
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There's quite a few teams with ample cap space who have the same needs we do at offensive tackle so it's not gonna be an easy task to get Solder under contract assuming he even hits FA.
 
infantrycak said:
Ok, let's do that (2007-17):

Eagles 13 OL - 2 1st, 0 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 4 5ths, 3 6ths and 2 7ths.

Texans 15 OL - 1 St, 2 2nd, 3 3rd, 2 4ths, 1 5th, 4 6ths and 2 7ths.

That would be 3 picks in the top 3 rounds for the Eagles v. 6 for the Texans (and we know one of those 2nds was the 1st pick of the round).

The Texans have spent more picks and higher.
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Who was the 1st round pick on the Texans OL?
 
JB said:
Who is the other player? Before tonight I would have said Butler for sure, but now?
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I think you are correct. If they tag one then we could take the other. We need help at both positions. The folks that have cap space like we do and need an LT have high draft picks available to them, so they would be much less likely to go balls to the walls to get an over 30 LT, even one as good as Solder. I would need to know why Butler was held out of the SB. A reasonable case could be made that that cost the Pats the win.
 
Solder had a really nice game, but I think from the buzz I'm seeing, he's been off a bit this year. I know he has a small child with cancer, perhaps that played a role. I can only imagine trying to focus on the job with that going on in the personal life. Terrible. My heart goes out to him. So, my question is twofold. How much does his son's situation impact his game, and does anyone know if he can play RT?

If he has lost a step or two of lateral quickness, I'm wondering if he can slide to the other side and be competent. I realize in all likelihood if he were signed, he'd play LT in 2018 - I'm thinking of the following year more than this year. I think this will be a 2 yr rebuild to really turn around this OL completely. Sign Solder to play LT in 2018, and then (if the football God's line up) draft your LT in round 1 of the 19 draft - move Solder to RT.

Just a thought.
 
Porky said:
Solder had a really nice game, but I think from the buzz I'm seeing, he's been off a bit this year. I know he has a small child with cancer, perhaps that played a role. I can only imagine trying to focus on the job with that going on in the personal life. Terrible. My heart goes out to him. So, my question is twofold. How much does his son's situation impact his game, and does anyone know if he can play RT?

If he has lost a step or two of lateral quickness, I'm wondering if he can slide to the other side and be competent. I realize in all likelihood if he were signed, he'd play LT in 2018 - I'm thinking of the following year more than this year. I think this will be a 2 yr rebuild to really turn around this OL completely. Sign Solder to play LT in 2018, and then (if the football God's line up) draft your LT in round 1 of the 19 draft - move Solder to RT.

Just a thought.
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I think Houston’s Medical Center would be a major selling point for Solder.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
In addition to Cak already explaining about the intention of his post... Brown damn sure did play for the Texans in 2017.
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If you want to get techical about this, he played 1 half ass low level game.

Y'al split hairs all y'all want but a OL of Clark/fat ass XSF/Injured Martin/Sucks Allen/ Breno Gets his QB killed with Lamm, who isn't an NFL quality OL, just isn't good enough.

If you want to know why the offense sucked read this post very carefully and the funny thing about this is that it was all very predictable. Unless you're blind.
 
They miscalculated on DB. Had he been there from jump, this line is a lot better just with that one piece.

Then you add in injury, and guys not living up to their press clippings, and you've got a bit of a disaster.

Why they continue with the same OL coach is sort of a mystery to me.

X hasn't developed to his potential, Jeff Allen has gone consistently backwards from KC, and others are not reaching their potential as well.

I think it's a combination of poor decisions, miscalculations, bad luck, bad coaching and perhaps a blocking scheme that doesn't fit the talent. Add it all up, and you've got one of the 3 worst lines in the NFL.
 
There is a story around that Malcolm Butler was late for team curfew and that weed may have been involved.
If true, then any interest Texans might have had in him just went out the window.
Source - Joey Cartolano @JoeyPigskins
 
tomjn80 said:
With a big off-season ahead of the Texans, along with money to spend - I would like to get everyone's opinion on what they would like the team to do regarding the roster and free agency.

Projected Salary Cap Space: $56,665,767
https://overthecap.com/calculator/houston-texans/
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I would go after Solder hard. I have no interest in Fleming. I've seen a few in this thread throw his name. With JJo going, I want to see them shore up the DB spot with an athletic body. Not sure who just yet. Maybe a DJ Hayden and Malcolm Butler combo. Other than that I see a need at TE. Try to strike gold with a Tyler Eifert signing. Maybe he can stay healthy for one of those years. Fill in the rest and depth with the draft.
 
Blake said:
I would go after Solder hard. I have no interest in Fleming. I've seen a few in this thread throw his name. With JJo going, I want to see them shore up the DB spot with an athletic body. Not sure who just yet. Maybe a DJ Hayden and Malcolm Butler combo. Other than that I see a need at TE. Try to strike gold with a Tyler Eifert signing. Maybe he can stay healthy for one of those years. Fill in the rest and depth with the draft.
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TheRealJoker said:
I think Houston’s Medical Center would be a major selling point for Solder.
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I seriously doubt that Solder decides to continue his career. His child's exact diagnosis is not written about widely other that being identified as a Kidney cancer. In fact, this is a cancer called a Wilms tumor. When diagnosed in 1 kidney, if in early stages, the 5-year survival is ~95%. If it is discovered in late stage with unfavorable histopathology (microscopic evaluation), the survival can drop to 50% to as low as 36 %. The complicating factors in Solder's son's case is that he was diagnosed in Oct 2015 with a bilateral case of this cancer (only ~5% of these cases)...........and he was initially treated with chemotherapy for 1 year.........within 10 months, he suffered bilateral recurrence of the tumor of his tumors and was restarted Sept last year on chemotherapy and by protocol will be on it for at least 1 year. Besides a lower long-term survival, one of the significant risks he faces is that of kidney failure due to the multiple prolonged chemotherapy effects. Removal of a Wilms tumor kidney is typical in a unilateral (one kidney) case, but chemotherapy and radiation is the mainstay treatment in bilateral cases, as besides survival, preservation of kidney function is of primary importance.

For this reason alone...............he is unlikely to prioritize football...............and he will not want to change doctors in mid stream, as Mass General in Boston is an excellent cancer center.
 
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leebigeztx said:
So RS all of a sudden decided to get bigger slower lineman on his own?
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I made it clear that I have no idea who made which call, so I laid blame equally. For all I (we) know, OB said "the OL needs more talent" and this is what RS got him. For all I (we) know, OB blasted the OL he inherited and demanded change. I DO know that a good OL was dismantled and it appears intentional. I don't know the specifics of why it was or who wanted it. Just like the rest of us.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I seriously doubt that Solder decides to continue his career. His child's exact diagnosis is not written about widely other that being identified as a Kidney cancer. In fact, this is a cancer called a Wilms tumor. When diagnosed in 1 kidney, if in early stages, the 5-year survival is ~95%. If it is discovered in late stage with unfavorable histopathology (microscopic evaluation), the survival can drop to 50% to as low as 36 %. The complicating factors in Solder's son's case is that he was diagnosed in Oct 2015 with a bilateral case of this cancer (only ~5% of these cases)...........and he was initially treated with chemotherapy for 1 year.........within 10 months, he suffered bilateral recurrence of the tumor of his tumors and was restarted Sept last year on chemotherapy and by protocol will be on it for at least 1 year. Besides a lower long-term survival, one of the significant risks he faces is that of kidney failure due to the multiple prolonged chemotherapy effects. Removal of a Wilms tumor kidney is typical in a unilateral (one kidney) case, but chemotherapy and radiation is the mainstay treatment in bilateral cases, as besides survival, preservation of kidney function is of primary importance.

For this reason alone...............he is unlikely to prioritize football...............and he will not want to change doctors in mid stream, as Mass General in Boston is an excellent cancer center.
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That just plain old sucks all the way around. Best wishes for all of his family. Can't bring myself to like this one, Doc.
 
DocBar said:
I made it clear that I have no idea who made which call, so I laid blame equally. For all I (we) know, OB said "the OL needs more talent" and this is what RS got him. For all I (we) know, OB blasted the OL he inherited and demanded change. I DO know that a good OL was dismantled and it appears intentional. I don't know the specifics of why it was or who wanted it. Just like the rest of us.
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One got LOA the other didn't.

We do know this.

$$$$ was one reason Brooks/Jones were let go.
 
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We have got to get this O-line situation ironed out.

One dang sack in the Superbowl. This has to say something abut O-line play.

How we go about doing this? I'll leave it to Brian Gaine. Cause it gonna be a very hard job to do.
 
DocBar said:
I made it clear that I have no idea who made which call, so I laid blame equally. For all I (we) know, OB said "the OL needs more talent" and this is what RS got him. For all I (we) know, OB blasted the OL he inherited and demanded change. I DO know that a good OL was dismantled and it appears intentional. I don't know the specifics of why it was or who wanted it. Just like the rest of us.
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Newton was horrible, no other way to really put that statement. Brooks looked nothing like the OL he has become with the Eagles...that might be directly related to the talent on both sides of him or it could be the coaching. Brown should've been taken care of if protecting the QB's on this roster was of any importance...obviously it wasn't of much concern for RS. Anyone else noticing that most teams in the NFL are having issues at LT? Why get rid Brown when the team developed him from the get-go? Not to mention, the closet this team ever got to seeing Su'a-Filo live up to his RD2 expectations was when he was sandwiched between Brown and Mancz. Why not continue this?

The Texans had a bright spot for a full season in 2016 and that was Mancz playing center. Brown finally got healthy and rounded back into shape, which in turn helped Su'a-Filo finally look like he belonged at LG, even if it was late in the season.

It begs to reason that "if" RS, O'Brien and Devlin had taken care of Brown so he was completely involved in all off-season programs/Pre-Season games and Mancz been left at center to build off his 2016 season, then the Texans might've been a better position to see Su'a-Filo make bigger strides in 2017 versus regressing and maybe enjoy the development of Martin at RG. I think this OL had the makings to be very solid with one hole at RT being a focal point for this season.
 
Lance Zierlein said on his morning show 97.5 that Justin Pugh’s agent told him at the senior bowl he wantas 12 mill/year. There’s going to be some crazy contracts thrown out this offseason.
 
The FT for Olineman is about 14M so I don't find Pughs asking price very surprising at all.
 
IDEXAN said:
The FT for Olineman is about 14M so I don't find Pughs asking price very surprising at all.
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It's dumb they combined it into a single number. Anyway, that's essentially based on LTs. Pugh is a RT/G who has never made a probowl. Sounds like opening agent chatter.
 
Agents always ask for lots..negotiation then get down to it; not saying there will not be some crazy dollar deals but Texans still should get some good players.
 
Malcolm Butler would be an upgrade for the Texans. I'd even say that if Belicheck doesn't lose his God damn mind and bench Butler for the Super Bowl that the Patriots win that game.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Malcolm Butler would be an upgrade for the Texans. I'd even say that if Belicheck doesn't lose his God damn mind and bench Butler for the Super Bowl that the Patriots win that game.
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You follow the rules when you play for the Pats. (Even Brady)

Team > individual player.

BB doesn't care what others think. He does as he pleases.

With that said if Gaine could get Butler for 4 yrs 40 mil. with 20 guaranteed I would be in on that.
 
steelbtexan said:
You follow the rules when you play for the Pats. (Even Brady)

Team > individual player.

BB doesn't care what others think. He does as he pleases.

With that said if Gaine could get Butler for 4 yrs 40 mil. with 20 guaranteed I would be in on that.
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Ain't gonna happen.
Move on from Butler.
 
Key stats on PFF's top 15 impending free agents
By Mark Chichester • Jan 25, 2018

5. DeMarcus Lawrence, edge defender
2017 Grade: 94.1

2017 Team: Dallas Cowboys

PFF’s breakout player of the year picked the perfect time to unleash the best season of his young career and will look to cash in on a big payday after he spent most of the 2017 campaign terrorizing opposing quarterbacks. All told, Lawrence put up 79 total pressures from 425 pass-rush snaps this year, giving him a pass-rush productivity of 14.8, which was the best mark among all edge-rushers in the league with at least 130 pass-rush snaps. On average, he produced pressure once every 5.4 pass rushes, the league’s second-best rate behind only Elvis Dumervil.

6. Malcolm Butler, cornerback
2017 Grade: 79.2

2017 Team: New England Patriots

After the Patriots opted to sign cornerback Stephon Gilmore to a five-year $65 million contract last offseason, the chances are that the hero of Super Bowl 49 will be allowed to test the open market. Whoever secures Butler’s signature this offseason will get one of the best playmakers available at the position, as Butler has got his hands on 35 (29 pass breakups and six interceptions) of the 285 passes that have been thrown into his coverage since 2015, giving him a playmaker index of 15.4 percent, the fourth-best mark among cornerbacks with at least 200 targets in that span.

7. Andrew Norwell, offensive guard
2017 Grade: 88.8

2017 Team: Carolina Panthers

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Prior to the 2017 season, the Panthers signed both right guard Trai Turner and left tackle Matt Kalil to big contracts and because of this, the Panthers will have limited cap space to work with impending free agent Norwell. He will very likely have a lot of interest if he hits free agency as the fourth-year guard put together an impressive season that saw him ranked third among guards with a PFF overall grade 88.8 and a first-team All-Pro selection. While Norwell performed well in the run game (83.4 run-block grade – eighth-best among guards), his performance in pass protection is what will set him apart from other players at the position. Throughout the regular season, Norwell allowed just 13 hurries on his 564 pass-blocking snaps, which resulted in a pass-blocking efficiency of 98.3, the second-best best mark among qualifying guards. He was also the only offensive lineman in the NFL to log at least 500 pass-blocking snaps without allowing either a sack or a quarterback hit, which makes him one of only four guards who have achieved this feat since PFF started collecting data back in 2006.

9. Sheldon Richardson, interior defender
2017 Grade: 83.8

2017 Team: Seattle Seahawks

Richardson, who was acquired from the New York Jets prior to Week 1 of the 2017 season, enjoyed a productive first year with the team and has publicly expressed his desire to remain with the Seahawks going forward. However, If the Seahawks do decide to let Richardson walk, several teams could pursue the 27-year-old, as he was a force in both the run game and in the pass-rush this year. Through 17 weeks of the 2017 season, Richardson racked up 36 total quarterback pressures and 22 run stops, which ranked ninth and 17th among defensive tackles this year, respectively.

11. Ezekiel Ansah, edge defender
2017 Grade: 80.1

2017 Team: Detroit Lions

In 2015, Ansah enjoyed a breakout season and flashed the traits of a perennial Pro-Bowler after he ended the season with 13 sacks, 19 quarterback hits and 33 hurries on his 397 pass-rushing snaps. While injuries have played a major part in hindering his progression since, the fifth-year edge-rusher looked to be back to his best form down the stretch of the 2017 season. In the last six games of the season, Ansah tallied a whopping eight sacks, four hits and seven hurries on his 129 pass-rushing snaps, which resulted in a pass-rushing productivity of 12.6, the seventh-best mark among 4-3 defensive ends in that span.

12. Justin Pugh, offensive guard
2017 Grade: 52.4

2017 Team: New York Giants

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Since entering the NFL as a first-round pick in 2013, Pugh has emerged as one of the better guards in the NFL, but unfortunately, injuries have plagued him in all but one of his professional seasons. With an entire offseason to recover from the back injury that cost him the last six games of the 2017 campaign, Pugh enters free agency as a high-end, starting caliber guard, who graded above 80.0 in both 2015 and 2016, and has allowed just 39 pressures over the last three seasons on the interior, the fourth-best mark among guards with at least 750 pass-blocking snaps since 2015.

13. Nate Solder, offensive tackle
2017 Grade: 75.1

2017 Team: New England Patriots

After spending the majority of his career as the man responsible for guarding Tom Brady’s blindside, Solder’s experience will make him one of the most appealing names in free agency. While Solder’s performance in pass protection has been up and down over recent years, he has always been one of the more consistent run-blocking tackles in the game and has achieved run-blocking grades above 80.0 in 5-of-7 professional seasons. This year, his run-blocking grade of 83.4 is good for ninth among all players at the position.
 
I'd take Solder in a NY err NE minute for a few years if he wasn't asking for too much dough.
 
This is why I have Norwell as #1 FA. He should lock down RG for years plus help guys on either side of him. Hopefully a regenerated Allen will do same at LG. I'm still down with OPP..I mean Davenport. An RT like O'Neill or Crosby & prob Rankins could start next to vet like the former Panther. Anyone think Quessenberry could play RT. He need to gain in strength this off season.
 
badboy said:
This is why I have Norwell as #1 FA. He should lock down RG for years plus help guys on either side of him. Hopefully a regenerated Allen will do same at LG. I'm still down with OPP..I mean Davenport. An RT like O'Neill or Crosby & prob Rankins could start next to vet like the former Panther. Anyone think Quessenberry could play RT. He need to gain in strength this off season.
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Around 16 mil will get you Hubbard/Pugh and a trade for Nsekhe will cost about another 5 mil. so for 21 mil you can rebuild the OL. You down for that?

Check out Hubbard this yr and Nsekhe in 2016 after Trent Williams got hurt and tell me what you think. It bothers me that Pugh has been healthy (Although very good) only one yr of his career.
 
steelbtexan said:
Around 16 mil will get you Hubbard/Pugh and a trade for Nsekhe will cost about another 5 mil. so for 21 mil you can rebuild the OL. You down for that?

Check out Hubbard this yr and Nsekhe in 2016 after Trent Williams got hurt and tell me what you think. It bothers me that Pugh has been healthy (Although very good) only one yr of his career.
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You playing Pugh at T or G steel? Been a top end G when healthy, better RT than weve seen for a while but not at the same level.

On a separate note, does Davenport transition to RT if we can get a decent vet LT in here.
 
Sonny said:
I'd take Solder in a NY err NE minute for a few years if he wasn't asking for too much dough.
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See CnD's post upthread, Solder unlikely to hit FA due to family illness. An awful situation beyond sporting implications. I'd completely agree with him as a target otherwise. Especially with Davenport to develop behind him in the twighlight of his career.
 
steelbtexan said:
How did I know you were going to ignore the obvious. Settled/then fixed the field, just a coincidence in your world.

I dont care how much Hartmann got.

I'm just glad they finally fixed the field.
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welsh texan said:
See CnD's post upthread, Solder unlikely to hit FA due to family illness. An awful situation beyond sporting implications. I'd completely agree with him as a target otherwise. Especially with Davenport to develop behind him in the twighlight of his career.
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Damn. On to the next option.
 
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