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Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?

steelbtexan said:
This is why I would consider this draft a success if they ended up with

Nix
Murphy
Skov

These guys play hard all game long and are more alnog the line of Watt than Mitchell. Football means something to all of these guys. They eat and sleep it. You can never have too many guys like this on your team. Guys like these will help change the culture of this team.

Changing the culture is long overdue. IMHO
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Only complaint I have is the lack of an elite talent at the RT spot .... I'd go with Nix and Skov in rounds 1 & 3 if I could get Cameron Erving or Antonio Richardson in round two .... just don't think either fall that far.


Seems that the Texans are "happy" (even if I'm not) with the combination of Newton & Harris on the right side .... So going with Nix in the first isn't out of the question.

I'm not against Murphy in the second either as its highly questionable at this point who is playing DE opposite Watt next season. That second rounder is critical tho .... and could be spent on any number of positions , DE and CB among them cause JJo has been .... poor.
 
Corrosion said:
Only complaint I have is the lack of an elite talent at the RT spot .... I'd go with Nix and Skov in rounds 1 & 3 if I could get Cameron Erving or Antonio Richardson in round two .... just don't think either fall that far.


Seems that the Texans are "happy" (even if I'm not) with the combination of Newton & Harris on the right side .... So going with Nix in the first isn't out of the question.

I'm not against Murphy in the second either as its highly questionable at this point who is playing DE opposite Watt next season. That second rounder is critical tho .... and could be spent on any number of positions , DE and CB among them cause JJo has been .... poor.
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i would be very happy with nix due to the points outlined previously. also i have a soft spot for Notre Dame (i might get neg repped for this lol) and to have a golden domer on the team would be nice
 
Corrosion said:
Only complaint I have is the lack of an elite talent at the RT spot .... I'd go with Nix and Skov in rounds 1 & 3 if I could get Cameron Erving or Antonio Richardson in round two .... just don't think either fall that far.


Seems that the Texans are "happy" (even if I'm not) with the combination of Newton & Harris on the right side .... So going with Nix in the first isn't out of the question.

I'm not against Murphy in the second either as its highly questionable at this point who is playing DE opposite Watt next season. That second rounder is critical tho .... and could be spent on any number of positions , DE and CB among them cause JJo has been .... poor.
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I'm not as worried about RT now as I was earlier in the season. I still have high hopes for Q and Williams on the OL and with case being mobile as he is should help a lot.

I'm leaning towards

1.) Nix
2.) Hart DE Oregon
3.) Skov
 
76Texan said:
Who are the guys to watch today (local TV only, I don't have ESPN)?
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You should try to make it to mobile for the senior bowl. Its pretty good watching up close and kicking it with kirwan afterwards and picking his brain about how things work we aren't privy to. I'm focused on qbs,nt,and dbs this year.
 
mussop said:
I'm not as worried about RT now as I was earlier in the season. I still have high hopes for Q and Williams on the OL and with case being mobile as he is should help a lot.

I'm leaning towards

1.) Nix
2.) Hart DE Oregon
3.) Skov
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I said this in another thread somewhere .... I get the idea that the team is pretty satisfied with the play of Newton & Harris @ RT , I doubt they go RT that early .... but I would pending who's left to pick and choose from. Ive seen enough of Newton to realize he's more or less a career backup and the position needs to be addressed and with Wade Smith likely gone after the season , Quessenberry likely takes over there.

Too bad we don't have half a dozen first round picks + the rest of our draft to fix ..... everything that's broken.
 
"Nix had an MRI over the weekend and it showed no serious damage, though Irish coach Brian Kelly said during a news conference Tuesday that the injury eventually will require surgery. Kelly also said that on the advice of team doctors and trainers, Nix had undergone platelet-rich plasma therapy in the past two weeks."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...uis-nix-will-need-surgery-for-knee-tendinitis

Will be interesting to see how well & how much he plays against Pittsburgh tonight. Also I will be focusing on QB Tom Savage for 3rd day Texans.
 
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Corrosion said:
I said this in another thread somewhere .... I get the idea that the team is pretty satisfied with the play of Newton & Harris @ RT , I doubt they go RT that early .... but I would pending who's left to pick and choose from. Ive seen enough of Newton to realize he's more or less a career backup and the position needs to be addressed and with Wade Smith likely gone after the season , Quessenberry likely takes over there.

Too bad we don't have half a dozen first round picks + the rest of our draft to fix ..... everything that's broken.
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I'm hoping one of Quessenberry/Williams/Newton will claim the RT position for the next 5-10 yrs. Then there should be an OG that could be drafted in the top of the 4th rd like Burnette from Ga. or Halapio from Fla.

You could draft a C like Larsen or Stork. Converted OT's like Cornelius Lucas or Donald Hawkins have the athletic abilty/size to play OG in a ZBS. The Texans have many options as to how they value OL in this draft.

The point is if the Texans get everybody back healthy the need for a RT goes down quite a bit. I wish that Newton wouldn't have been rushed back. We really dont have a clear idea how good/bad a healthy Newton is. The Texans are due for some good luck.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm hoping one of Quessenberry/Williams/Newton will claim the RT position for the next 5-10 yrs. Then there should be an OG that could be drafted in the top of the 4th rd like Burnette from Ga. or Halapio from Fla.

You could draft a C like Larsen or Stork. Converted OT's like Cornelius Lucas or Donald Hawkins have the athletic abilty/size to play OG in a ZBS. The Texans have many options as to how they value OL in this draft.

The point is if the Texans get everybody back healthy the need for a RT goes down quite a bit. I wish that Newton wouldn't have been rushed back. We really dont have a clear idea how good/bad a healthy Newton is. The Texans are due for some good luck.
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Going into next season we have to add somone to the mix as a rt. Be it a rookie or a free agent. I see Q as a left guard and I'm ok with brooks as right guard. If b.wiIlliams works out, great but I'm planning as if he won't. If you want Case or any other qb to succeed the ol has to be legit.
 
badboy said:
"Nix had an MRI over the weekend and it showed no serious damage, though Irish coach Brian Kelly said during a news conference Tuesday that the injury eventually will require surgery. Kelly also said that on the advice of team doctors and trainers, Nix had undergone platelet-rich plasma therapy in the past two weeks."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...uis-nix-will-need-surgery-for-knee-tendinitis

Will be interesting to see how well & how much he plays against Pittsburgh tonight. Also I will be focusing on QB Harris for 3rd day Texans.
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Dang Savage led Pittsburgh to upset of Notre Dame am I good or what? 22/35 243 two TDs no INTs.
 
powda said:
Going into next season we have to add somone to the mix as a rt. Be it a rookie or a free agent. I see Q as a left guard and I'm ok with brooks as right guard. If b.wiIlliams works out, great but I'm planning as if he won't. If you want Case or any other qb to succeed the ol has to be legit.
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My sentiments exactly, and you probably said it alot better than I could have. Q at LG, Brooks at RG, and don't count on Brennan Williams for nothing.

I think we need to trade down from top 10 to around 20-22 in order to add an extra 2nd round pick and then spend it on an OT. I'd be looking hard at James Hurst and/or Cedric Ogbuehi in the 2nd round. Whomever our QB is next year, he needs better protection than we've got right now.
 
badboy said:
Dang Savage led Pittsburgh to upset of Notre Dame am I good or what? 22/35 243 two TDs no INTs.
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Considering Pittsburgh took the 'NCG-calibre' Irish to triple OT last year, I'm nit too surprised. Congrats to Pittsburgh, however.
 
My Nix scouting review. (just finished watching Pitt vs ND, 2nd time)

Nix is not strong enough to play NT in the NFL. He is easily blocked and does not anchor well. Pitt easily blocked him with one interior OL. On Pitt's first TD drive after about 10 plays Nix was noticeably gassed and may have affected and led to ineffective play the rest of the game. Nix does not move or control the line of scrimmage and spends to much time on the ground for a NT. It would be a mistake for Nix to come out early. He needs to stay in school and get stronger and improve his abilities and skills.
 
Texian said:
My Nix scouting review. (just finished watching Pitt vs ND, 2nd time)

Nix is not strong enough to play NT in the NFL. He is easily blocked and does not anchor well. Pitt easily blocked him with one interior OL. On Pitt's first TD drive after about 10 plays Nix was noticeably gassed and may have affected and led to ineffective play the rest of the game. Nix does not move or control the line of scrimmage and spends to much time on the ground for a NT. It would be a mistake for Nix to come out early. He needs to stay in school and get stronger and improve his abilities and skills.
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Nix is playing on a bad knee and will probably have surgery after the season.

look at some of the games he played earlier this season or last yr.
 
maybe we need a thread of where to spend the 2014 2nd round pick?

I would put Nix III top of that list :mariopalm:
 
Nix missed entire series in the 2nd half presumably due to fatigue. I don't expect Nix to play more than 30% of defense's snaps in any given game in the NFL. I also scouted Ian Williams who preceded Nix. Williams was a better player.
 
beerlover said:
maybe we need a thread of where to spend the 2014 2nd round pick?

I would put Nix III top of that list :mariopalm:
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I doubt he falls that far .... He probably isn't a top 15 guy but he's the #1 prospect at a position at least a dozen teams could improve upon. Only about 5-6 top quality NT's in the league - Wilfork , Raji , Ngata , Poe and a couple others. Everyone else is looking for that kinda player ...
 
Texian said:
Nix missed entire series in the 2nd half presumably due to fatigue. I don't expect Nix to play more than 30% of defense's snaps in any given game in the NFL. I also scouted Ian Williams who preceded Nix. Williams was a better player.
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This was Nix first game in three weeks and he went out against Pitt due to his knee and then returned. He is still recovering from his shoulder also. Why do you say it was fatigue "presumably"? Anything to support that? I only watched game once but did see him get past his blockers three times in short period of time. The announcers even mentioned he was taking up blockers allowing teammates to be productive. They then reminded audience that Tuitt was ejected for targeting. Surely you know that impacted entire defense including Nix?
 
badboy said:
Why do you say it was fatigue "presumably"? Anything to support that?
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During Pitt's first TD drive by the time Pitt reached the red zone you could clearly tell Nix was gassed, he was having difficulty getting in to his stance. In the second half Nix was looking fatigued when Pitt was having an extended drive. Nix was on the sideline for the next series. I have no dog in this hunt, just being objective and telling what I saw. I learned long time ago not to fall in love with players.
 
After watching todays game and the pressure Az. generated on Keenum , there were times he just didn't have a chance , I have to go with an elite RT with that first pick .... Unless we are drafting a QB in the first round.
The Az. defenders were on Keenum before the receivers could even turn on slant routes .... That's just not acceptable.


I expect Quessenberry to take over at LG for Wade Smith who shouldn't be resigned.

I cant rely upon B.Williams coming back and doing anything productive because of the nature of the injury.

#1 pick = an OT (unless QB).
 
I'm starting to think that mosley from 'Bama should be a go to guy in the draft. ILB is by far the weakest position in this team and the guy is a machine.
depending on where we draft either we should move back or trade into the 1st round again to grab him
 
Corrosion said:
After watching todays game and the pressure Az. generated on Keenum , there were times he just didn't have a chance , I have to go with an elite RT with that first pick .... Unless we are drafting a QB in the first round.
The Az. defenders were on Keenum before the receivers could even turn on slant routes .... That's just not acceptable.


I expect Quessenberry to take over at LG for Wade Smith who shouldn't be resigned.

I cant rely upon B.Williams coming back and doing anything productive because of the nature of the injury.

#1 pick = an OT (unless QB).
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Agreed, I really didn't think the OL was this bad.

At the rate this team is losing they are going to be in Matthews territory. A very good territory to be in.
 
aussie_texan said:
I'm starting to think that mosley from 'Bama should be a go to guy in the draft. ILB is by far the weakest position in this team and the guy is a machine.
depending on where we draft either we should move back or trade into the 1st round again to grab him
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I haven't seen a mock that has Mosley outside of the top 15 .... You'd have to be real careful not to move back too far and miss him if he's your guy.

I wouldn't be against doing so if you could get enough compensation from trading down a few spots to move back into the first round and get one of the elite tackle prospects.

I prefer Florida St OT Cameron Erving .... but many mocks have him going top 15 also.

I don't think you can get Mosley & an elite tackle prospect , its pick your poison & the talent at the tackle spots really drops off after that first ~4-5 guys.
 
The Texans are currently slotted at the #4 pick. Possiblilites are endless (besides the #1 QB taken by the Jags).
 
Corrosion said:
After watching todays game and the pressure Az. generated on Keenum , there were times he just didn't have a chance , I have to go with an elite RT with that first pick .... Unless we are drafting a QB in the first round.
The Az. defenders were on Keenum before the receivers could even turn on slant routes .... That's just not acceptable.


I expect Quessenberry to take over at LG for Wade Smith who shouldn't be resigned.

I cant rely upon B.Williams coming back and doing anything productive because of the nature of the injury.

#1 pick = an OT (unless QB).
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yep! I am on the Jake Matthews bandwagon. Give me two stud OT's.
 
Trail.Blazr said:
Now, if Case did prove exceptional, I'd see that as a free Win and would be willing to do what it took to trade up for Clowney. Hands down this guy is the best player in the draft!

No gamble. Give up some picks to make it happen. This guy is a man amongst boys. I remember being high on Julius Peppers and hating the C*** pick. I like Clowney twice as much. This guy is legit.
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You do realize if the Texans keep losing, now seven losses in a row, that they will be in position to draft Clowney with a top two pick? Losing out isn't entirely impossible for a 2-14 record. If that happens it's just a matter of whether or not Tampa Bay lost a couple games separating us from the first overall pick or the second overall pick. Tampa Bay nearly beat the Seahawks last week. I think they will beat the Dolphins tomorrow night for their first win of the season.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
You do realize if the Texans keep losing, now seven losses in a row, that they will be in position to draft Clowney with a top two pick? Losing out isn't entirely impossible for a 2-14 record. If that happens it's just a matter of whether or not Tampa Bay lost a couple games separating us from the first overall pick or the second overall pick. Tampa Bay nearly beat the Seahawks last week. I think they will beat the Dolphins tomorrow night for their first win of the season.
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Clowney? No thanks. Dont need a guy to shut down to protect his own interests at the detriment of the team.
 
If the Texans finish in the top 4 and Cleveland comes calling with an RG3 type deal I jump all over that.
 
Rey said:
Quessenberry should be given a shot at RT.
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I would be for that,

It's much easier to find a G than it is an OT.

With that said if Matthews is there when the Texans pick Rick should run the card up to God'ell.

Does everybody realize how close this yrs Texans are to being 0-9?
 
I honestly wanted to use the first pick on a left guard but the way this team is going, short of us trading down for multiple picks, I can't see us not using it on a QB.

The combine is some ways away however but our main positions of concern seem to be QB, LG (because unlike Right Tackle, we don't really have a true potential successor for that position) ILB (because as bad as Brooks Reed is I don't see the team using another draft pick higher then another 4th rounder on the position, meanwhile who knows what will happen to Cushing), CB (even if we retain Jonathan Joseph we need a slot corner back if Harris isn't the answer) and maybe defensive line depending on if we go after a true NT to play the center of the D line or if we get a DE to replace a potentially departing Antonio Smith.

All that being said, time will tell and regardless of the administration moves, I hope we retain the players on our team that have been shown to be proven talents and have them be given chances at competing.
 
not sure anymore what the disconnect is?

Home run 1st rd. picks for Texans showed up today in the form of Andre Johnson & JJ Watt but who else? Cushing is out for the second straight season, Kareem has a rib injury, Merciuls was close but no cigar in the sack category. Hopkins is taking baby steps as he continues to flash plus hands. Together there is just not enough production from too few players, depth is & has been an issue since expansion. Drop off between 1st & 2nd string now seems like the Grand Canyon. Go down the roster & you might find more back-up's than actual starters playing. Makes me think trading down on a continuous basis & stock piling future picks a solid strategy to build & maintain better stability over time. Otherwise no reason why Texans should take a dive every 3-4 years.

If Texans can't trade down & have to make a pick right now, in the top 5, I'd look hard & long @ Texas A&M Jake Matthews & Johnny Manziel.
 
I realize the trade value charts aren't an exact science, they're just a guide, but they're the best thing we've got for now. The #4 pick is worth 1800 pts.. If we traded down to #21 worth 800 pts., thus a difference of 1000 pts., we should be able to pick up a high 2nd, high 3rd, and high 4th. That hypothetical high 4th could also be a 3rd in 2015. At pick #21 we could still get a very good CB, DT, or OT and then with two high 2nd round picks we could fill ILB and a good QB prospect (Murray or McCarron). With two high 3rd round picks we could get a good Safety, and also fill one of the other unfilled needs at ILB, OLB, or some quality O-line depth etc... If we draft right that gives us 5 picks in the top 70 players. That's the possibility of filling 5 holes in one draft with quality talent, something few teams are able to accomplish. It could also put us back into the playoffs possibly within a year. All of this hinges on 1 decision to make, is Keenum the future at QB or do we use that high 1st round pick on a POSSIBLE franchise QB like Mariota or Hundley?

Glad I'm not the GM that has to make that decision. If it were me making that decision I'd bet on Keenum being the future at QB and then hedge my bet with a QB pick in the upper 2nd round.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I realize the trade value charts aren't an exact science, they're just a guide, but they're the best thing we've got for now. The #4 pick is worth 1800 pts.. If we traded down to #21 worth 800 pts., thus a difference of 1000 pts., we should be able to pick up a high 2nd, high 3rd, and high 4th. That hypothetical high 4th could also be a 3rd in 2015. At pick #21 we could still get a very good CB, DT, or OT and then with two high 2nd round picks we could fill ILB and a good QB prospect (Murray or McCarron). With two high 3rd round picks we could get a good Safety, and also fill one of the other unfilled needs at ILB, OLB, or some quality O-line depth etc... If we draft right that gives us 5 picks in the top 70 players. That's the possibility of filling 5 holes in one draft with quality talent, something few teams are able to accomplish. It could also put us back into the playoffs possibly within a year. All of this hinges on 1 decision to make, is Keenum the future at QB or do we use that high 1st round pick on a POSSIBLE franchise QB like Mariota or Hundley?

Glad I'm not the GM that has to make that decision. If it were me making that decision I'd bet on Keenum being the future at QB and then hedge my bet with a QB pick in the upper 2nd round.
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I want a RG3 type trade from a QB needy team like the Browns. Give me both of their 1st this yr and a 3rd plus a 2015 1st. Since the Texans only seem to hit on 1st rd picks.

I dont want Rick/Gary/Wade making those picks.
 
Wolf6151 said:
I realize the trade value charts aren't an exact science, they're just a guide, but they're the best thing we've got for now. The #4 pick is worth 1800 pts.. If we traded down to #21 worth 800 pts., thus a difference of 1000 pts., we should be able to pick up a high 2nd, high 3rd, and high 4th. That hypothetical high 4th could also be a 3rd in 2015. At pick #21 we could still get a very good CB, DT, or OT and then with two high 2nd round picks we could fill ILB and a good QB prospect (Murray or McCarron). With two high 3rd round picks we could get a good Safety, and also fill one of the other unfilled needs at ILB, OLB, or some quality O-line depth etc... If we draft right that gives us 5 picks in the top 70 players. That's the possibility of filling 5 holes in one draft with quality talent, something few teams are able to accomplish. It could also put us back into the playoffs possibly within a year. All of this hinges on 1 decision to make, is Keenum the future at QB or do we use that high 1st round pick on a POSSIBLE franchise QB like Mariota or Hundley?

Glad I'm not the GM that has to make that decision. If it were me making that decision I'd bet on Keenum being the future at QB and then hedge my bet with a QB pick in the upper 2nd round.
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Joe Thomas is a great tackle,but his team haven't made the playoffs ever! I'm sure rams really like the draft picks,but in his 1st yr,rg3 took a bad defense to the playoffs. I say this all the time,if you have a high 1st rd grade on a qb and you can get him,you gotta do it. Being right on a qb is the best way to guarantee your team success in this era.
 
Corrosion said:
After watching todays game and the pressure Az. generated on Keenum , there were times he just didn't have a chance , I have to go with an elite RT with that first pick .... Unless we are drafting a QB in the first round.
The Az. defenders were on Keenum before the receivers could even turn on slant routes .... That's just not acceptable.


I expect Quessenberry to take over at LG for Wade Smith who shouldn't be resigned.

I cant rely upon B.Williams coming back and doing anything productive because of the nature of the injury.

#1 pick = an OT (unless QB).
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Yeah, despite my defense of Newton it is time to realize we should go RT. Newton, if and when healthy, could prove to be a solid back up but cannot wait any longer. The way this line played yesterday, we should draft 4 OL; even Duane Brown looked pathetic. I keep hearing he plays against the best, well he is supposed to be among the best so play like it! At least Newton was a 7th not a 1st.
 
aussie_texan said:
I'm starting to think that mosley from 'Bama should be a go to guy in the draft. ILB is by far the weakest position in this team and the guy is a machine.
depending on where we draft either we should move back or trade into the 1st round again to grab him
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He looked like a superstar against LSU but we should be able to get our pick in second round of Christian Jones, A J Johnson and Yawin Smallwood. Either should step in as starter. I also like Andrew Jackson and Skov has looked good (healthy) but these two are strictly bangers not coverage guys. If we had better and deeper DBs, I would go with one of them. I have spent days adjusting my Texans' board to get best guy for our needs but will post later today. Let's say you take Mosely who do you go after for RT, corner, safety and nose? For example, other than Ogbuehi (Texas A&M) a junior who should pull a Matthews and return to school and move up, who is a plug and play T? IMO, only JaWuan James Tennessee fits, but not a 2nd. I have rated him an early 4th, but if you wait & miss him, uh oh. The only alternative would be to move Q to RT but I really want him at LG.
 
badboy said:
Yeah, despite my defense of Newton it is time to realize we should go RT. Newton, if and when healthy, could prove to be a solid back up but cannot wait any longer. The way this line played yesterday, we should draft 4 OL; even Duane Brown looked pathetic. I keep hearing he plays against the best, well he is supposed to be among the best so play like it! At least Newton was a 7th not a 1st.
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I high first round pick on a LT yes. On a RT no!!!!
 
mussop said:
I high first round pick on a LT yes. On a RT no!!!!
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While I agree with you if Matthews is there you take him. BPA at a position of need. Eventually Matthews shifts over to LT. Brooks and Matthews would be the best right side run blockers that this team has ever had.

This one pick would solidify the OL for yrs. Brooks will look much better with a stud like Matthews next to him.
 
steelbtexan said:
I want a RG3 type trade from a QB needy team like the Browns. Give me both of their 1st this yr and a 3rd plus a 2015 1st. Since the Texans only seem to hit on 1st rd picks.

I dont want Rick/Gary/Wade making those picks.
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The Browns probably don't agree with me but I think Hoyer is franchise material.
 
Blake said:
We need to spend our top 5 pick on a QB. And trade up if necessary.
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It would be nice if Tampa lost out and got #1. I think they would be more willing to trade back than Jacksonville.

If we could trade up and take Bridgewater and not give up the house, that would be a huge win.
 
Blake said:
We need to spend our top 5 pick on a QB. And trade up if necessary.
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Why , so he can get killed behind the likes of Wade Smith and Derek Newton ... ??? Just take a look at the first and last plays the Texans offense ran yesterday for prime examples.

They really missed Foster yesterday too as he's very good at picking up the right guy in blitz situations , Dennis Johnson made multiple blocking errors in the second half.
 
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