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Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?

Yeah, the front office seemingly did about all it could to fix things, there was just a bunch of bad luck involved, from Cush being injured at around the same point, Schaub just coming apart, retaining talented players at the expense of guys like Winston and allowing Newton to start, who, in turn, doesn't develop...

Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Only one team can win it all every year, and mostly on the strength of having the least bad luck.
 
Odds are this not playing out.

We HAVE to go for a QB. Only exception being Case proves all the Case lovers right! Let's hope :)

If not, I would want to go after Manziel.

Simply put, QB has to be the centerpiece of this team moving forward. NFL dictates it, not me.

Now, if Case did prove exceptional, I'd see that as a free Win and would be willing to do what it took to trade up for Clowney. Hands down this guy is the best player in the draft!

No gamble. Give up some picks to make it happen. This guy is a man amongst boys. I remember being high on Julius Peppers and hating the C*** pick. I like Clowney twice as much. This guy is legit.
 
Odds are this not playing out.

We HAVE to go for a QB. Only exception being Case proves all the Case lovers right! Let's hope :)

If not, I would want to go after Manziel.

Simply put, QB has to be the centerpiece of this team moving forward. NFL dictates it, not me.

Now, if Case did prove exceptional, I'd see that as a free Win and would be willing to do what it took to trade up for Clowney. Hands down this guy is the best player in the draft!

No gamble. Give up some picks to make it happen. This guy is a man amongst boys. I remember being high on Julius Peppers and hating the C*** pick. I like Clowney twice as much. This guy is legit.
Clowney has not been best until last Saturday.
 
Hypothetical situation, if we end up in the 12th spot in the draft and trade down to around 20-21 we should be able to pick up a mid 2nd round pick as compensation. This would help us alot with being able to fill another team hole with high quality talent. Would you guys support such a trade down, and are there any teams that you can realistically think of that would trade up with us? Any teams with multiple 2nd round picks? Maybe someone going after a QB that falls or Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, possibly Anthony Barr etc...

For me , it would really depend upon who was left on the board at the time.

If Anthony Barr , Jake Matthews or one of the top QB's falls (pending Keenum's performance) ... Im gonna use the pick. Couple other guy's I'd seriously consider taking too - CJ Mosley & Louis Nix come to mind. You'd have to really compensate me well to pass on landing one of them.

If I can get an impact player at ILB , OLB , OT , DE or NT its going to be really difficult to move out of that slot.




Yeah, the front office seemingly did about all it could to fix things, there was just a bunch of bad luck involved, from Cush being injured at around the same point, Schaub just coming apart, retaining talented players at the expense of guys like Winston and allowing Newton to start, who, in turn, doesn't develop...

Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Only one team can win it all every year, and mostly on the strength of having the least bad luck.

Yeah , it just seemed like everything that could go wrong did go wrong for this team.
I don't think any of us expected Schaub to fall as far as he has. He was just abysmal .... I expected him to at least make good decisions with the ball.

Ed Reed was a mistake , shoulda kept Quin. He's been outplayed by Shiloh Keo.

They drafted two OLB's both of whom look like busts in hindsight.

Cushing and OD being injured ....

Injuries to both OL they drafted ..... and Newton playing poorly.


Everything they did blew up in their faces .....
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I'd like to see the Texans spend that first round pick on the best OL prospect they can find. I miss the days of Munchak, Matthews, and "Dino" Steinkuhler. I want to see the Texans build an offensive line that can hold the fort down for a decade.

If Keenum lights it up and we appear to have our QB I'd like to use that first pick on the OL. It will have been 6 drafts since we took Duane Brown in the first. It's time to do the line right for a change.

This should be on every page of the thread. The Texans could spend their first round picks on OL and DL for the next ten years and I might be happy. Win the trenches and everyone else benefits.
 
For me , it would really depend upon who was left on the board at the time.

If Anthony Barr , Jake Matthews or one of the top QB's falls (pending Keenum's performance) ... Im gonna use the pick. Couple other guy's I'd seriously consider taking too - CJ Mosley & Louis Nix come to mind. You'd have to really compensate me well to pass on landing one of them.

If I can get an impact player at ILB , OLB , OT , DE or NT its going to be really difficult to move out of that slot.






Yeah , it just seemed like everything that could go wrong did go wrong for this team.
I don't think any of us expected Schaub to fall as far as he has. He was just abysmal .... I expected him to at least make good decisions with the ball.

Ed Reed was a mistake , shoulda kept Quin. He's been outplayed by Shiloh Keo.

They drafted two OLB's both of whom look like busts in hindsight.

Cushing and OD being injured ....

Injuries to both OL they drafted ..... and Newton playing poorly.


Everything they did blew up in their faces .....
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Agreed,

But I can remember when C-N-D warned us about Schab's foot. If C-N-D can figure out the extent of Schaub's foot injury with not nearly as much info as the Texans team docs. Surely you would think Rick/Gary would have a contingency plan in place. Why they didn't baffles me.

Poor drafting by Rick/Gary/Wade and co this yr. Until the Texans find a NT that can command double teams, all of the Texans ILB's are in jeopardy of getting hurt/steamrolled.

Quessenberry was plain bad luck, but drafting an injured Williams in the 3rd was a mistake that could've been forecasted. Every time I watch the Packers and see Bahktiari (SP?) knowing he was picked in the 5th rd and wtching him do a good job blocking Allen/Peppers/Ansah it makes me wish we had the Packers GM.
 
This should be on every page of the thread. The Texans could spend their first round picks on OL and DL for the next ten years and I might be happy. Win the trenches and everyone else benefits.

While I too watch the trenches, good corners are also important, especially with a passing QB that needs only 3 seconds to release. If Keenum is THAT guy and gets the ball out, our OL should be much better and that decreases need for high pick for line. True that Wade Smith & Myers are not playing lights out, they were cheap adequate players that did not cost much. Hopefully Jones should be ready to replace at center in 2014. Myers' guarantee is paid this season and we can save by cutting him. Brandon Brooks 13th pick in 3rd starting RG and DQ appears to be heir apparent at LG in 2014. Quessenbury was a 6th. I can see why Texans lean toward later rounds for O line.
 
Agreed,

But I can remember when C-N-D warned us about Schab's foot. If C-N-D can figure out the extent of Schaub's foot injury with not nearly as much info as the Texans team docs. Surely you would think Rick/Gary would have a contingency plan in place. Why they didn't baffles me.

Poor drafting by Rick/Gary/Wade and co this yr. Until the Texans find a NT that can command double teams, all of the Texans ILB's are in jeopardy of getting hurt/steamrolled.

Quessenberry was plain bad luck, but drafting an injured Williams in the 3rd was a mistake that could've been forecasted. Every time I watch the Packers and see Bahktiari (SP?) knowing he was picked in the 5th rd and wtching him do a good job blocking Allen/Peppers/Ansah it makes me wish we had the Packers GM.
To be fair you keep refering to Brennan Williams labrum injury which was resolved. He is on IR due to different injury & that needs to be noted. He is not only one injured this year. :foottap: lol
 
To be fair you keep refering to Brennan Williams labrum injury which was resolved. He is on IR due to different injury & that needs to be noted. He is not only one injured this year. :foottap: lol

The Texas Dr.'s should be able to tell if a prospective player needs microfracture surgery. There are signs that should be obvious on an MRI.

The Texans should run MRI's on all potential draft picks in the first 3 rds. IMHO
 
The Texas Dr.'s should be able to tell if a prospective player needs microfracture surgery. There are signs that should be obvious on an MRI.

The Texans should run MRI's on all potential draft picks in the first 3 rds. IMHO
OK. You are still confused, Williams injured his shoulder labrum late October 2012 in college. He healed. At draft in April 2013 this was the news :

With the 89th pick Brennan Williams
The Houston Texans have selected Brennan Williams, offensive tackle from North Carolina. Williams had a labrum injury that ended his season in 2012 and is almost back to 100% strength. http://www.stateofthetexans.com/texans-draftbrennan-williams/


Then: in May 11 2013 as a Texan Williams hurt knee and was placed on PUP until training camp. He did play in last preseason game but was then placed on IR & underwent micro surgery for knee. There was no need for MRI at draft as he was not injured until later.
http://www.battleredblog.com/2013/9...-david-quessenberry-and-brennan-williams-have


Hope this clears it for you.
 
Agreed,

But I can remember when C-N-D warned us about Schab's foot. If C-N-D can figure out the extent of Schaub's foot injury with not nearly as much info as the Texans team docs. Surely you would think Rick/Gary would have a contingency plan in place. Why they didn't baffles me.

The Texas Dr.'s should be able to tell if a prospective player needs microfracture surgery. There are signs that should be obvious on an MRI.

The Texans should run MRI's on all potential draft picks in the first 3 rds. IMHO

With as many times as the Texans medical staff has blown it , over the course of a decade thru two GM's & Coaches , I really have to wonder about them.

I get the idea that they gave Schaub an all clear ... then why would they have a contingency plan ?? Schaub was healthy at the end of the season and into the playoffs ....

The evidence sure leads me to believe this is the case .....

They have been wrong time and again ..... Boselli , DD , Jopru .... the list goes on and on and on. Bad medical advice.

You can throw out this season if you like and Clowney is still all that and a big bag of chips. You gotta see him play.

All world skills .... with a moped motor.
 
Haha. I'll concede not having seen enough to argue this point, but didn't get that from the few games I've watched.
His coach recently made comments that Clowney was not playing as expected and may be riding the "injury" train to end of year. http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2013/clowney-week-6/

He is averaging less than 4 total tackles per game and that hardly screams superstar. Maybe he believed ESPN hype after his very good 2012.
 
Several months ago Clowney was speculating about sitting out the whole season in order to protect his future NFL value and earnings. He strikes me as a guy who's all effort in a contract year but will play conservative the rest of the time. It also sounds like he's milking that injury for all he can. I wouldn't touch him in the draft.
 
Several months ago Clowney was speculating about sitting out the whole season in order to protect his future NFL value and earnings. He strikes me as a guy who's all effort in a contract year but will play conservative the rest of the time. It also sounds like he's milking that injury for all he can. I wouldn't touch him in the draft.

i feel the same way, i wouldnt take him higher than the 3rd - if at all. you cant have success at the next level with that "i'll play when i want to" attitude. the pro game isnt like college, here even the scrubs are great players. unless his work ethic changes drastically, a desperate team will take him and 2 years we'll be saying "looks like tarzan, plays like jane" as he bounces around the league before being dropped.
 
Are there any corners worth taking in the first?

Are the two guys from Florida/the kid from Oregon legit next level talent?

I've been looking at later round guys, but it seems we may need a star here sooner than I hoped with JJo's quick decline.
 
Are there any corners worth taking in the first?

Are the two guys from Florida/the kid from Oregon legit next level talent?

I've been looking at later round guys, but it seems we may need a star here sooner than I hoped with JJo's quick decline.

JJO killed this team and my fantasy. 30 ****ing points from TY Hilton.

I'd kill for Purifoy from UF, but I'd rather lock up safety in the first with Haha Dix out of Bama.

Verrett from TCU in the second? or maybe Aaron Colvin from OU.
 
If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...
 
If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...

True, but at the same time you are passing on the top guy at a couple positions of need. Matthews and Barr would be ripe for the picking at top 5. Trade back and get a few more picks but then you miss out on a top prospect.

We have tons of holes though I agree. It's a slippery slope to navigate.
 
JJO killed this team and my fantasy. 30 ****ing points from TY Hilton.

I'd kill for Purifoy from UF, but I'd rather lock up safety in the first with Haha Dix out of Bama.

Verrett from TCU in the second? or maybe Aaron Colvin from OU.

Safety help would definitely help. I'd be more comfortable trotting JJo out there with a new safety than a new corner with Reed.
 
If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...

I agree, a trade from top 5 to around pick 20ish should gain us an upper 2nd round pick and a upper 3rd as well. Hopefully there's a team out there to make such a deal. We have lots of holes and need alot of help. We could still get one of the best CB's at #20 and then add some quality with 2 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
 
I agree, a trade from top 5 to around pick 20ish should gain us an upper 2nd round pick and a upper 3rd as well. Hopefully there's a team out there to make such a deal. We have lots of holes and need alot of help. We could still get one of the best CB's at #20 and then add some quality with 2 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

The problem is most teams picking toward the end of the round already have a QB. The only teams I can think of that may be drafting toward 20 that may want a QB is Chicago and Arizona. Maybe another team would be willing to trade up that far for Matthews, Barr, or Clowney.
 
If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...

This. I'm beginning to think that Keenum is definitely the guy (we have the rest of the season to evaluate. I'm fully in draft mode right now) and if he is we can afford to take a 2nd or 3rd round QB.

RB is a need. Foster... I'm not above cutting him if need be. He's worn out. How would you guys feel about Melvin Gordon out of Wisconsin?
 
If we get a top 5 pick and one of those qb's fall to us, we should trade back for a massive package (I know I know, that's what she said)

But seriously, this team needs a lot if help. We need a RB, DB's, LB's, DL...


Why not take the qb?
 
This. I'm beginning to think that Keenum is definitely the guy (we have the rest of the season to evaluate. I'm fully in draft mode right now) and if he is we can afford to take a 2nd or 3rd round QB.

RB is a need. Foster... I'm not above cutting him if need be. He's worn out. How would you guys feel about Melvin Gordon out of Wisconsin?

Way to early on Keenum. If I showed you the first half tape, sure. If I showed you the 2nd half tape, maybe not.Conventional Wisdom is a QB needs 30 starts before you really know what you got.
 
Way to early on Keenum. If I showed you the first half tape, sure. If I showed you the 2nd half tape, maybe not.Conventional Wisdom is a QB needs 30 starts before you really know what you got.

I agree that it's still early to make a final call on Keenum, but his second half tape doesn't look bad either. That deep ball to Posey on the right sideline was not too far off; it would have made everything so very different; and he was robbed on the third down conversion to AJ, too.

On another note, is there any O-lineman on the Baylor Bears squad worth keeping an eye on? Petty and Seatrunk had so much fun behind them; the next few games will be a better indication, but Seatrunk sure looks like a great back.
 
Purifoy from Florida hasn't been getting the PT that his talent would suggest he should due to behavioral issues. I'm not sure exactly what is going on, but sounds to me like he has some type of attitude problem. I'm sure we will know more later in the draft process.
 
Why not take the qb?

Because this draft has lots of QBs, but not one great QB. If there were a Luck-caliber guy available, you take him. That may yet turn out to be the consensus, but as of right now, no QB expected to come out gives me that vibe. So trade back, add a couple picks, and grab a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round, a la Aaron Murray, AJ McCarron, etc.

Of course, if you're head over heels in love with Boyd or Bridgewater, then this scenario doesn't appeal to you. I'm not.
 
Way to early on Keenum. If I showed you the first half tape, sure. If I showed you the 2nd half tape, maybe not.Conventional Wisdom is a QB needs 30 starts before you really know what you got.

I can go with that, as long as the people saying that recognize that Keenum has 2 more (or 10 more) starts down that road than whoever you want to draft.
 
I agree that it's still early to make a final call on Keenum, but his second half tape doesn't look bad either. That deep ball to Posey on the right sideline was not too far off; it would have made everything so very different; and he was robbed on the third down conversion to AJ, too.

On another note, is there any O-lineman on the Baylor Bears squad worth keeping an eye on? Petty and Seatrunk had so much fun behind them; the next few games will be a better indication, but Seatrunk sure looks like a great back.

Cyril Richardson is consenus #1 OG in 2014 draft
 
I can go with that, as long as the people saying that recognize that Keenum has 2 more (or 10 more) starts down that road than whoever you want to draft.

Im REALLY torn on taking a QB early .... So far Keenum has looked damn good but it is early and teams are going to catch up to what he's doing - Can he adjust !?

There are several QB's coming out this year that have franchise potential .... I'd hate to miss out if Keenum isn't the answer.


Screw it , give me a dominant RT and lets roll with it. :headhurts:
 
Im REALLY torn on taking a QB early .... So far Keenum has looked damn good but it is early and teams are going to catch up to what he's doing - Can he adjust !?

There are several QB's coming out this year that have franchise potential .... I'd hate to miss out if Keenum isn't the answer.


Screw it , give me a dominant RT and lets roll with it. :headhurts:

First off, you aren't going to have that answer until the end of the year. And that's a good thing, because with ten starts under his belt, you'll have a much better idea whether or not he has the potential to be a franchise QB. Second, I just don't see any of these guys jumping off the page and screaming first round to me. I know a couple of them will get taken in the first round just because the position is so critical, but I feel like you can get a guy in the 3rd round that has just as much potential as a guy you'd get in the 1st round, for just this draft. The combine will come along and change the equation, I'm sure, but so will Keenum's play. So there's a lot to shake out yet.
 
Because this draft has lots of QBs, but not one great QB. If there were a Luck-caliber guy available, you take him. That may yet turn out to be the consensus, but as of right now, no QB expected to come out gives me that vibe. So trade back, add a couple picks, and grab a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round, a la Aaron Murray, AJ McCarron, etc.

Of course, if you're head over heels in love with Boyd or Bridgewater, then this scenario doesn't appeal to you. I'm not.

its not like luck is burning the world down. He's struggling just like all the other young qb in the 3rd yr or less. If there is a qb you feel has the upside of a top qb,then you take him. I'm pretty sure no one thought the uber productive rodger would be rodgers. Just because you draft a guy early doesn't mean you have to play him right away. If the guy needs seasoning,so be it,but that's not a reason to pass because you may not have the chance again. Remember the giants were 5-2 before eli took over. Tommy maddox had just put up all time numbers for pittsburgh the year they took big ben. They didn't pass either of those because they didn't see the next peyton,they deemed them franchise caliber qbs regardless of the holdover. If they grade hundley,boyd,or whomever franchise caliber when they're availible,you gotta take them.
 
Why not take the qb?

Because I like case and really I don't know if I trust any of these qb's to be franchise guys that I'd take top 5.

Plus the team has tons of holes they need to fill. Too bad they are so slow to recognize issues and make their fair share of questionable roster choices otherwise the team might be more well rounded.
 
All time what numbers? - crap. Maddox was 33 years old and had a horrible 2003 - 57.4% comp. 3414 yds, 18 TDs, 17 INTs, 6.6 ypa, 75.3 QB rating.

He came back after selling insurance and had a good year . I think he's the guy the Texans picked off several times for TDs and the Texans beat the Steelers with only having 100 yards offense .

The road is littered with Kelvin Cato type signings at QB . I think Case is different because his mental game is his strong suit . I think you can steal a good QB prospect this year in the 3rd to go along with Keenum .
 
I'd take him and throw that ZBS in the trash can . Well maybe every once in awhile run it as a change of pace .

Other guys I'd want are ,

1. Anthony Barr
2. Louis Nix
3. Matthews
4. lewan
5. Evans

One thing about the ZBS is when Alex Gibbs is running it, 8 out 12 years Alex had the #1 or #2 rushing team in the NFL. It usually took Gibbs 2 years to fully implement his ZBS. Of course Gibb's ZBS slowly declines after he leaves. Other coaches must not have that attention to detail or think their version of ZBS is better which it usually isn't.
 
One thing about the ZBS is when Alex Gibbs is running it, 8 out 12 years Alex had the #1 or #2 rushing team in the NFL. It usually took Gibbs 2 years to fully implement his ZBS. Of course Gibb's ZBS slowly declines after he leaves. Other coaches must not have that attention to detail or think their version of ZBS is better which it usually isn't.

I like a big physical OL , at least the two guards and RT .


They don't have Tom Nalen , Terrell Davis , and Gary Zimmerman either . I also think they changed the rules some on cutting .
 
I like a big physical OL , at least the two guards and RT .


They don't have Tom Nalen , Terrell Davis , and Gary Zimmerman either . I also think they changed the rules some on cutting .

Gibbs did it in Atlanta and Houston also. Gibbs supplemented big OL with big Blocking TE and FB.
 
Gibbs did it in Atlanta and Houston also. Gibbs supplemented big OL with big Blocking TE and FB.

In Atlanta he had some nobodies . He looks for guys who will do what it takes to be good . That said , the Atlanta guys didn't like him because he was so demanding .
 
Is there a position on the field that we don't need? WR is the only position I can think of that isn't a need. Now they're not all 1st or 2nd round needs but their are so many needs we can go with a BPA approach to the draft and fill a lot of those needs. I also think that we all need to remember that rebuilding this organization back to consistent playoff team will take more than just 1 draft. Its hard to believe that in 8 yrs. Smithiak was unable to build some quality depth.

We're looking like we might be drafting in the top 5 now. I'm going to be looking hard at Mariota.
 
Is there a position on the field that we don't need? WR is the only position I can think of that isn't a need. Now they're not all 1st or 2nd round needs but their are so many needs we can go with a BPA approach to the draft and fill a lot of those needs. I also think that we all need to remember that rebuilding this organization back to consistent playoff team will take more than just 1 draft. Its hard to believe that in 8 yrs. Smithiak was unable to build some quality depth.

We're looking like we might be drafting in the top 5 now. I'm going to be looking hard at Mariota.
I have started working a bit different than some who mock by filling in back up or lesser needs first. For example, I see Ed Reed being replaced by Swearinger and Manning if healthy will be in last contract year 2014 so we draft Marqueston Huff Wyoming who was a 3 year corner who moved to safety this year. To answer your question, we have needs almost everywhere but some can be resolved without panic by using lower rounds and focusing on priority needs in top 4 rounds. Issue of course is posters rarely agree what is priority plus if I decide to take care of RT by selecting Tennessee's JuWuan James who is right under the first rounders, he better be there. Still that is the fun.
 
I have started working a bit different than some who mock by filling in back up or lesser needs first. For example, I see Ed Reed being replaced by Swearinger and Manning if healthy will be in last contract year 2014 so we draft Marqueston Huff Wyoming who was a 3 year corner who moved to safety this year. To answer your question, we have needs almost everywhere but some can be resolved without panic by using lower rounds and focusing on priority needs in top 4 rounds. Issue of course is posters rarely agree what is priority plus if I decide to take care of RT by selecting Tennessee's JuWuan James who is right under the first rounders, he better be there. Still that is the fun.

If James is there in the late 3rd would you trade a 4/6th rd pick to move up and pick him?

The Texans should get atleast 1 comp pick in the 5th rd if Dutch is correct.
 
Is there a position on the field that we don't need? WR is the only position I can think of that isn't a need. Now they're not all 1st or 2nd round needs but their are so many needs we can go with a BPA approach to the draft and fill a lot of those needs. I also think that we all need to remember that rebuilding this organization back to consistent playoff team will take more than just 1 draft. Its hard to believe that in 8 yrs. Smithiak was unable to build some quality depth.

We're looking like we might be drafting in the top 5 now. I'm going to be looking hard at Mariota.

We need just about everything. We need WRs too. Martin and Jean aren't players that you want to count on. If Andre or Hopkins were to go down, we are right back in a bad situation at WR. We should be looking to add more WRs to our group. There is hardly any depth. We also don't have a slot receiver. However, we have more pressing needs that will probably not allow us to take a WR, assuming we draft on need.

I haven't done my own mock, just because it's a bit early for me. That's not to say that these mocks on the site now are worthless, it's just too early for ME to do one.

If I had to do a positional mock draft, I would take a RT in the first, OLB/ILB/NT in the next 4 rounds, RB/CB/WR in the last three rounds. If we don't resign Antonio, we will need to draft a DE.
 
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