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Where to spend the 2014 1st round pick?

As of 10-20-13 we are 2-5 and currently in the 5th spot if the draft were held today. I like what Case showed today but I'd need to see alot more before QB was removed from our 1st or 2nd round draft need list. We are also getting into the Bridgewater, Hundley, and Mariota pick territory, where they are serious considerations.

I know the trade value charts aren't written in stone but they're the best guide we've got for now. That #5 pick is worth 1700 points. If we could find a trade partner, we might be able to trade down to the early 20's and pick up a high 2nd and high 3rd in compensation, or a high 2nd and a 2nd in 2015. We've got alot of holes to fill....

As for SteelB's question, I'll take Murray over McCarron but only if we wait until the 2nd round to select a QB. McCarron does have that smoking hot girlfriend though that I assume would move to Houston with him, so that could be a consideration.
 
Wolf6151 said:
As of 10-20-13 we are 2-5 and currently in the 5th spot if the draft were held today. I like what Case showed today but I'd need to see alot more before QB was removed from our 1st or 2nd round draft need list. We are also getting into the Bridgewater, Hundley, and Mariota pick territory, where they are serious considerations.
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Of those three , the only one I like is Bridgewater .... think Hundley needs another year or two and Mariota .... just isn't accurate enough.

I know the trade value charts aren't written in stone but they're the best guide we've got for now. That #5 pick is worth 1700 points. If we could find a trade partner, we might be able to trade down to the early 20's and pick up a high 2nd and high 3rd in compensation, or a high 2nd and a 2nd in 2015. We've got alot of holes to fill....
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Not only do you have to think about trading back , you have to consider trading up to get your guy at QB , even if its making the move to #1.

As for SteelB's question, I'll take Murray over McCarron but only if we wait until the 2nd round to select a QB. McCarron does have that smoking hot girlfriend though that I assume would move to Houston with him, so that could be a consideration.
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Same here , I prefer Murray over McCarron and think either could be had in the second assuming the underclassmen thought to be taken earlier all declare. If one or more stays in school another year , that could change the complexion of the draft.
 
I really like Hundley, but he needs to go back for another year. Just too raw. I would take Bridgewater, but he won't be there at #5. I'm not touching Mariotta or Manziel.

Honestly, if we're picking #5, I see 2 options.

1. Anthony Barr - OLB, UCLA
2. Jake Matthews - OT, Texas A&M

Barr is a freak at OLB and we desperately need the pass rush help. I assume he will be gone so I take a Jake Matthews. If he's gone at #5, then I take Taylor Lewan (OT, Michigan). He has experience in a zone system and could play either OT position.
 
While Id love to see Jake Matthews taken, I feel like we will be more in the Ha-HA Clinton Dix range specially since hes been reinstated.
 
WolverineFan said:
I really like Hundley, but he needs to go back for another year. Just too raw. I would take Bridgewater, but he won't be there at #5. I'm not touching Mariotta or Manziel.

Honestly, if we're picking #5, I see 2 options.

1. Anthony Barr - OLB, UCLA
2. Jake Matthews - OT, Texas A&M

Barr is a freak at OLB and we desperately need the pass rush help. I assume he will be gone so I take a Jake Matthews. If he's gone at #5, then I take Taylor Lewan (OT, Michigan). He has experience in a zone system and could play either OT position.
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Curious, what do you have against Mariota? I think a good OT can be had in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, way to early for a RT, and completely agree with you on Barr. Barr would free us up to move Reed to ILB alongside Cushing and provide a pass rush at the same time. If we're drafting in the top 5 then we should have a good shot at Barr.

Mercilus, Cushing, Reed, Barr would make a very good starting LB corp.. We'd need some depth but we've still got Tuggle, Mays, and Braman. They aren't great but they're worth keeping around for another year because we don't have enough draft picks to fix everything in one offseason.


I can't see Clinton-Dix being taken that high. When was the last time a Safety was taken in the top 5? He might have been reinstated but I think the Texans might be leery of players with red flags after today (Montgomery, Jefferson, Wood).
 
really cant make up my mind where to use the #1 ... They have been exposed at so many positions this year. UgH I change my mind every other minute.

The obvious considerations - QB , OLB , RT , ILB ...

Schaub must go , Yates isn't the answer & the jury is still out on Keenum.

Newton is a turnstile. #1 might be high for a RT.

Cushing is snakebit and the entire defense goes to sh!t when he isn't on the field. Need another dynamic athlete inside.

Reed & Mercilus .... aren't getting to the QB regular enough.

Will Antonio Smith be back ?!?

Wade Smith shouldn't be resigned. #1 would be high for anything but an exceptional guard.

Ed Reed is a thief , someone call Detroit and get Glover Quin back!!

Sure could use a big nasty NT to fix the interior of that defense.

Cornerback .... J.Jo is underperforming and due $14m while KJax becomes a FA.
 
Corrosion said:
really cant make up my mind where to use the #1 ... They have been exposed at so many positions this year. UgH I change my mind every other minute.

The obvious considerations - QB , OLB , RT , ILB ...

Schaub must go , Yates isn't the answer & the jury is still out on Keenum.

Newton is a turnstile. #1 might be high for a RT.

Cushing is snakebit and the entire defense goes to sh!t when he isn't on the field. Need another dynamic athlete inside.

Reed & Mercilus .... aren't getting to the QB regular enough.

Will Antonio Smith be back ?!?

Wade Smith shouldn't be resigned. #1 would be high for anything but an exceptional guard.

Ed Reed is a thief , someone call Detroit and get Glover Quin back!!

Sure could use a big nasty NT to fix the interior of that defense.

Cornerback .... J.Jo is underperforming and due $14m while KJax becomes a FA.
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LOL, That's me as well, I keep changing my mind.

I know it's easier said than done but with so many holes on the team and an expectant high pick, I think we have to trade down and pick up extra 2nd and 3rd round picks. Also as much as I want to use the 1st pick on a CB, if we re-sign KJ then we'll have our starting CB's locked up for a couple more years and might just have to forego a CB in this draft because of so many needs elsewhere.
 
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IMO there are two extreme holes on this team - linebacker and offensive line (mostly right tackle). i'd use the first four picks on those positions unless a BPA demands otherwise. each is the heart of their respective schemes, and yet the weakest links in regards to talent. we MUST get better at left guard and right tackle, and with any LB not named cushing (who it appears will be back next season).
 
I think a dynamic edge rusher would fix a lot of problems. We need a strongside OLB that can get pressure and help disrupt the opposition. We also need that guy to take away some attention from Watt so he can do the same. I think secondary players can be found later in the draft, but if there's a great edge rusher available when we pick in the 1st, I'd go that route. It would go a long way towards fixing the defense. ILB is a much lower priority to me, I think you could get a good one in the 4th.
 
Scooter said:
IMO there are two extreme holes on this team - linebacker and offensive line (mostly right tackle). i'd use the first four picks on those positions unless a BPA demands otherwise. each is the heart of their respective schemes, and yet the weakest links in regards to talent. we MUST get better at left guard and right tackle, and with any LB not named cushing (who it appears will be back next season).
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No quarterback ?! Do you think Keenum is the long term solution that gives you a shot at winning a superbowl ?! He played a solid game against KC but Im still not sold that he's the solution.

Dutchrudder said:
I think a dynamic edge rusher would fix a lot of problems. We need a strongside OLB that can get pressure and help disrupt the opposition. We also need that guy to take away some attention from Watt so he can do the same. I think secondary players can be found later in the draft, but if there's a great edge rusher available when we pick in the 1st, I'd go that route. It would go a long way towards fixing the defense. ILB is a much lower priority to me, I think you could get a good one in the 4th.
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Keenum .... Or is it that since this is such a QB rich draft , you get one in the 2nd round - McCarron or Murray ?


I get the idea behind both of your choices , just have to wonder if not taking a QB sets you back a year or three ..... Its going to take time for one to develop .... Its probably wise to get that guy first and fill the other holes with later picks , via FA or in the next draft.
 
Corrosion said:
No quarterback ?! Do you think Keenum is the long term solution that gives you a shot at winning a superbowl ?! He played a solid game against KC but Im still not sold that he's the solution.
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i dont know. right now i say keenum is our guy. i absolutely think he has what it takes to be our quarterback, and could be a great one, but only time will tell. as of right now (assuming kubiak doesnt revert back to schaub), i think we are very well off at quarterback. to be honest, i think that we can win it all with a healthy schaub if those two areas are addressed, keenum being a stud as i predict it is just a bonus.

kubiak's offense is predicated on a symbiotic offensive line. wade's defense is wholly dependent on it's linebackers. we have all-world talent on this team in every area but the ones that matter. we've been grabbing players for both with a ton of failures, including a pair of OLB busts this year. to me it really doesnt matter what else we do, if we dont address the offensive line and linebackers we wont be successful.
 
Texian said:
As of today, October 22, 2013 The Texans have the 5th pick in the 2014 Draft:

http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html
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That sure would be nice, but we play the Jags twice, and unless we intentionally lose, I think we are at least a 4 win team this year. We also play the Raiders, who will be hard to lose to. I think we will be picking in the 8-12 spot this year, which is just a bit out of reach of the top QBs and OTs.
 
Corrosion said:
Of those three , the only one I like is Bridgewater .... think Hundley needs another year or two and Mariota .... just isn't accurate enough.



Not only do you have to think about trading back , you have to consider trading up to get your guy at QB , even if its making the move to #1.



Same here , I prefer Murray over McCarron and think either could be had in the second assuming the underclassmen thought to be taken earlier all declare. If one or more stays in school another year , that could change the complexion of the draft.
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If Gary lets Keenum play out the yr and Case proves he can be the guy and the Texans end up picking in the 10-15 range. (Which is where they probably where they will be picking) I would try to trade down. But If that's not possible my picks would be

Rd.1 Cameron Erving, Has a nasty streak can play RT/LT former DT, he absolutely dominated Beasley last Saturday
Rd.2 Van Noy or Murphy, and I would trade back into the bottom end of the 1st to get them. Best pass russhers in the draft.
Rd. 4 Shane Skov, Smart instinctive ILB would provide depth behind Cushing and Reed after Reed's moved inside.
Rd.5 Best Ol available, provided that he was BPA.

There are too many things wrong with the Texans roster to fix everything in one yr. So concentrate on fixing the OL and LB's this yr and move on to DL and DB's next yr. It's kinda sad that after 8 yrs of roster building that BoB/Rick/Gary's team has so many holes and so little depth.

Of course if Keenum isn't the guy then QB becomes priority #1. McCarron would be my pick of the late 1st early 2nd rd guys. He's got size, arm strength, good enough mobility and plays well under pressure. I look at the fact that he has won NC's as a plus. Not as he played with great talent so he must not be that good. Somebody had to lead that team and MCarron has done a great job. IMHO
 
I don't like this year's crop of QBs, to be honest. I think a couple of them could pan out to be very good, but I don't see a top end high talent guy like Luck, for instance. I think whoever comes out this year will need a little seasoning. Murray could be the best of the bunch of he were given the right opportunity, but he won't get it because he's 6' tall. Not sold on Boyd, not sold on Bridgewater. Haven't seen enough of Mariota yet, though. If the Texans pick high in the draft, I would rather they look at the top of the 2nd rd for a QB.

One guy that I believe will end up going higher than people think right now, and one I wouldn't mind the Texans going after, is Tim Flanders. I know it's not one of the team's glaring weaknesses (yet), but Tate's leaving and I'm not 100% sold that Foster is not another example of the Larry Johnson syndrome. If it turns out that Keenum plays out the string well, then maybe go QB in the 2nd or even 3rd, with a couple OL in the first 4 rounds.

Crazy, I know, but I like Flanders. Plus, we could nickname him Ned. :)
 
eriadoc said:
I don't like this year's crop of QBs, to be honest. I think a couple of them could pan out to be very good, but I don't see a top end high talent guy like Luck, for instance. I think whoever comes out this year will need a little seasoning.
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I agree but I love Manzel. I know a lot of people are down on him but he is the only QB that has a chance to make it to our pick that I wouldn't pass up.

As far as what position I think we should go after with iour first rounder, give me Manzel or Best.Defensive.Player.Available.

On a side note. Why does everyone here just ignore the DT position? A lot of this defensive problems could be masked if we had a quality DT that could comand double teams and push the pocket.
 
If the draft were today I would take Johnny Manziel if he comes out and is available. Manziel is a cross between Fran Takenton and Bret Farve.

If Manziel is not available I would take Trent Murphy, DE, Stanford.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nix or Mack
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Don't over look Ryan Carrether from Ark St who could be available later in draft and compare favorably to Nix. I love Nix but if I could get a run plugger to collapse pocket and use first elsewhere, that is way I'm going. He has lost weight and really is cranking it up.
 
badboy said:
Don't over look Ryan Carrether from Ark St who could be available later in draft and compare favorably to Nix. I love Nix but if I could get a run plugger to collapse pocket and use first elsewhere, that is way I'm going. He has lost weight and really is cranking it up.
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This is good news, Carrethers has gotten better this yr? He has always had lack of stamina issues. He definitely has talent. I didn't watch him this yr. I did see some of him last yr. He was impressive.

If he has gotten better I wouldn't wait until the 3rd for him. I would pick him in the 2nd. Big men that can move are hard to find. Do you have any links for this yr for him?
 
Texian said:
If the draft were today I would take Johnny Manziel if he comes out and is available. Manziel is a cross between Fran Takenton and Bret Farve.

If Manziel is not available I would take Trent Murphy, DE, Stanford.
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Agreed on Manziel, he's a pit bull playing QB.
 
Nix for me.

I like manziel though. There are some concerns but if kubiak is coach I think he could help him out a lot. And he'd give this team a needed edge.
 
mussop said:
On a side note. Why does everyone here just ignore the DT position?
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Because we can be taught. We excel at pattern recognition. The Texans routinely ignore the DT position, so predicting it in a mock draft is very likely a wrong pick.
 
A little more academic than anything, now that we've dropped to #7/8th overall, but BattleRedBlog had a mock of the first round. The first four picks were QBs (Bridgewater, Mariota, Boyd, and Hundley), followed by the Texans took Clowney at #5 overall before trading back into the tail end of the first for Stephen Morris out of Miami.

I'm stilling riding the irrational Manziel draft crush wave, but I wouldn't mind Morris (though perhaps without trading up so much to get him). Getting Clowney and pairing him with Watt would be a little ridiculous.
 
bhsman said:
A little more academic than anything, now that we've dropped to #7/8th overall, but BattleRedBlog had a mock of the first round. The first four picks were QBs (Bridgewater, Mariota, Boyd, and Hundley), followed by the Texans took Clowney at #5 overall before trading back into the tail end of the first for Stephen Morris out of Miami.

I'm stilling riding the irrational Manziel draft crush wave, but I wouldn't mind Morris (though perhaps without trading up so much to get him). Getting Clowney and pairing him with Watt would be a little ridiculous.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

That's how I feel about Morris. Kid should not be taken in the first round. Third, sure. But every time I watch Miami I come away thinking about how many throws he just misses.
 
If we're looking for later round QBs, we might as well go with Murray in the 3rd or develop Mannion after nabbing him in the 4th or 5th.

If we're going QB in the first round, it has to be Hundley or Manziel. Both are not immediate starters because Hundley is very raw and Manziel needs to work on being a pocket passer more (which is why I'd like him to stay one more year under Sumlin, but it's not happening). I'm not impressed by Boyd anymore and Mariota... well, Chip Kelly's going to want him.

Because I don't think we go QB in the first round (unless Keenum happens to suck it up for the rest of the season or something) I'd like us to get Nix from ND or Ha-Ha Dix out of Bama. Those would be impact defensive players. If we could get Clowney I would flip **** too.
 
steelbtexan said:
This is good news, Carrethers has gotten better this yr? He has always had lack of stamina issues. He definitely has talent. I didn't watch him this yr. I did see some of him last yr. He was impressive.

If he has gotten better I wouldn't wait until the 3rd for him. I would pick him in the 2nd. Big men that can move are hard to find. Do you have any links for this yr for him?
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Of interest:
Carrethers made 16 tackles in a loss to Louisiana-Lafayette. For a linebacker or a safety, that would be a high total, but not unheard of. For a 330-pound defensive tackle, it's positively outrageous. Carrethers (6-foot-2, 330 pounds) was credited with six solo stops and 10 assists for the Red Wolves. For an interior defensive lineman, 16 tackles typically represents a month or more of production.

By comparison, Tennessee nose guard Daniel McCullers, one of the nation's most highly regarded draft prospects at the position, has made 24 tackles in his eight games this season..
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...rethers-posts-monster-game-for-arkansas-state


Carrethers started every game as junior in 2012, finishing the season with a career-best 68 tackles that were the sixth most on the team and the most by an A-State interior defensive lineman since Jon Bradley recorded 68 as well in 2002. He averaged 5.2 tackles per game to rank tied for 39th in the Sun Belt, but ahead of all other interior defensive linemen in the league.

http://www.kait8.com/story/22843520/ryan-carrethers-on-lombardi-award-watch-list

http://www.kait8.com/story/22378588/ryan-carrethers-makes-2013-freaks-list

What got my attention Steel, was a heads up I received prior to season indicating that Carrethers had decided to go after the NFL. Like most kids he had talked about it but had not committed. He met with coach and was put on rigid diet losing about 25 lbs to apprx 332. I lost sight of him until recently deciding Mitchell is not the answer and only two Nose's stood out. Nix and...Carrethers. Will follow him rest of season. Anyone remember Mister Cobble whom I mocked last two seasons and he kept returning to school? I was able to watch him recently and he is no longer on my radar. Same with DaQuan Jones who was non factor Saturday.
 
I'd like to see the Texans spend that first round pick on the best OL prospect they can find. I miss the days of Munchak, Matthews, and "Dino" Steinkuhler. I want to see the Texans build an offensive line that can hold the fort down for a decade.

If Keenum lights it up and we appear to have our QB I'd like to use that first pick on the OL. It will have been 6 drafts since we took Duane Brown in the first. It's time to do the line right for a change.
 
Hervoyel said:
I'd like to see the Texans spend that first round pick on the best OL prospect they can find. I miss the days of Munchak, Matthews, and "Dino" Steinkuhler. I want to see the Texans build an offensive line that can hold the fort down for a decade.
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a million times yes.
 
aussie_texan said:
walter has a drafting Mike Evans in his latest mock. that would certainly be a surprise. i dont think it happens though
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Did not know that. I have Evans on my current board and have discussed with Beerlover and Rmartin65. Evans is over 6'5" 225 and apprx 4.58 speed. 1100 yards with 23 per catch. I like giving Keenum another target and Evans would also reduced concern about TE as he plays like one. Very good & willing blocker & runs A&M's routes well. A red shirt soph who imo will come out if Manziel does. From Galveston, he just turned 20 and can get much better. AJ/Posey/Hopkins and Evans. :kingkong:
 
beerlover said:
Trade back just a few spots then take Evans, use pick acquired w/2nd to move back into 1st for Manziel :ahhaha:
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It'd be like a reverse Luck-Fleener situation. Everybody wins: everyone in the media can continue to complain that Evans bails out Manziel too much and we get an awesome QB/WR connection.
 
beerlover said:
Trade back just a few spots then take Evans, use pick acquired w/2nd to move back into 1st for Manziel :ahhaha:
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I don't know about that , Evans may end up being a top 10 pick ....

I would love to have the guy but this team has so damn many holes and that list of holes likely grows when the season ends too. Ninja & Wade Smith expire , I could see several guy's cut - OD , Manning , Ed Reed then you have a couple guy's who will become FA's who will be looking for a payday - Tate , KJax and you have the QB situation .... what a freaking mess.
 
Corrosion said:
I don't know about that , Evans may end up being a top 10 pick ....

I would love to have the guy but this team has so damn many holes and that list of holes likely grows when the season ends too. Ninja & Wade Smith expire , I could see several guy's cut - OD , Manning , Ed Reed then you have a couple guy's who will become FA's who will be looking for a payday - Tate , KJax and you have the QB situation .... what a freaking mess.
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Kinda sad after 8 yrs.

How did they get in this situation?
 
badboy said:
Did not know that. I have Evans on my current board and have discussed with Beerlover and Rmartin65. Evans is over 6'5" 225 and apprx 4.58 speed. 1100 yards with 23 per catch. I like giving Keenum another target and Evans would also reduced concern about TE as he plays like one. Very good & willing blocker & runs A&M's routes well. A red shirt soph who imo will come out if Manziel does. From Galveston, he just turned 20 and can get much better. AJ/Posey/Hopkins and Evans. :kingkong:
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what a receiving core!!! wouldnt have to draft another WR for 10 years!!!

posey is really underrated by the way. hopefully with keenum and a few more plays in the spread he should get his fair go, i want to see him on the park more because he could develop into a top WR.
 
steelbtexan said:
Kinda sad after 8 yrs.

How did they get in this situation?
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Well I think it boils down to one position failing us this year - QB. Without that , we probably don't have all those other issues exposed.

The team spent big $$$ just a couple offseasons ago to fill holes on the back end of the defense and make a good team a contender .... then the QB position falls apart in the year most expected them to make that deep run in the playoffs.


If Schaub performs like he did in 2010 and 2011 .... things probably seem a lot different than right now.
 
Corrosion said:
Well I think it boils down to one position failing us this year - QB. Without that , we probably don't have all those other issues exposed.

The team spent big $$$ just a couple offseasons ago to fill holes on the back end of the defense and make a good team a contender .... then the QB position falls apart in the year most expected them to make that deep run in the playoffs.


If Schaub performs like he did in 2010 and 2011 .... things probably seem a lot different than right now.
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Also you lose Mario Williams then Connor Barwin as your DE's, paired with Cushing going down back to back seasons. Swapping out over rated Ed Reed with under appreciated Glover Quin doesn't help things either :gun:
 
beerlover said:
Also you lose Mario Williams then Connor Barwin as your DE's, paired with Cushing going down back to back seasons. Swapping out over rated Ed Reed with under appreciated Glover Quin doesn't help things either :gun:
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Wait,I thought mario couldn't play or is overrated.
 
leebigeztx said:
Wait,I thought mario couldn't play or is overrated.
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Bills are not all that bad but still Mario Williams value to this franchise should have been worth far more & he would be a bigger piece of the solution than in Buffalo given Texans were on a playoff run. Buffalo offered him stupid money for sure but could have been more justified staying in Houston all things being equal. Makes me wonder what JJ Watt's price tag will be? 150 million :mariopalm:
 
Hypothetical situation, if we end up in the 12th spot in the draft and trade down to around 20-21 we should be able to pick up a mid 2nd round pick as compensation. This would help us alot with being able to fill another team hole with high quality talent. Would you guys support such a trade down, and are there any teams that you can realistically think of that would trade up with us? Any teams with multiple 2nd round picks? Maybe someone going after a QB that falls or Sammy Watkins, Mike Evans, possibly Anthony Barr etc...
 
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