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Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs
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I think Schaub has shaken off his "play offs" jitters.
After this game, a lot of people are going to change the way they think about Matt Schaub.
Think of a less athletic, much smarter Jake Plummer.
After this game, a lot of people are going to change the way they think about Matt Schaub.
Think of a less athletic, much smarter Jake Plummer.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
If that was meant to make some of us feel better it didn't.
That offense averaged 27-30 ppg. Same as us, before New England. Lately, we've been scoring 17 ppg or so.
I know the Pats score about 32 ppg, but that's for the bulls on parade to sort out. If we score high 20's, low 30s our offense is giving us a shot.
handswarmer
Rookie
yardage as a benchmark is foolish- there are QB's every week that throw for 300-400 yds and lose
There have been 14 500 yd passers in NFL history- 6 of them lost. Weehaw
Matter of fact- the last 5 QB's to go over 400 yds passing are a combined 1W- 4Losses (Last 2 were Romo vs Brees in OT on Dec 23rd) Out of the last 10 Qb's over 400yds, they had 3 Wins and 7 Losses.
Saying a Qb needs to throw for a lot of yards is like saying, "Our defense only gives up 250 yds a game" but the other teams score 30 pts oevery game. Yards get you nothing. Its about scoring, game management, running the ball and not turning the ball over.
BTW- Schaub sure did make a good read on that pass to the guy wearing the other teams colors for a Pick 6.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
And, yet, how many quarterbacks have thrown for less than 200 yards in the SB in the past 10 years? 2. Roethlisberger in a win where he played like dogcrap and Rex Grossman in a loss where he played like dogcrap.
Looking at the yardage a QB puts up can be deceiving. Losing QBs frequently have to throw more than winning QBs.
But I wasn't saying you have to throw for over 300 or 400 yards. I was putting a LOWER bound. And throwing for less than 200 yards on a consistent basis is an indication of a bad QB any way you slice it. Any QB who's throwing for less than 200 yards isn't contributing to the team.
But, btw, in games where he's thrown for over 400 yards, Matt Schaub is 3-1. What's Flacco's record in games where he's thrown for over 400 yards? Oh, that's right, 0-0.
So... what you're saying is that having a good quarterback doesn't matter as long as he doesn't make too many mistakes. Which, I guess, that's true when your QB sucks like Flacco has over the course of his career.
And, yeah, Schaub made a bad throw. But at least in his first playoff game, he completed over 75% of his passes. How many times has Flacco done that in the playoffs? Oh, yeah, never.
handswarmer
Rookie
Steelers didn't need Ben to throw for 300 yds in the first SB- they had a running game and a defense.
So why did you write this=> "Looking at the yardage a QB puts up can be deceiving." then write this ' Any QB who's throwing for less than 200 yards isn't contributing to the team. '
Make up your mind.
You think Flacco sucks- whoopee. I just proved where you intial theory was incorrect. But its ok. Schaub will take you to the promised land.:vincepalm:
klockWork
Rookie
1) Rodgers
2) Brady
3) Manning
4) Kaepernik
5) Wilson
6) RG3
7) Luck
8) Flacco
9) Schaub
10) Ponder
Flacco could be at best #4 if he played for Texans and Schaub would be a #10 If he'd played for Ravens.
Edit* I can't see Schaub on that list since the Ravens won't be in the PA w him as the QB this season.
2) Brady
3) Manning
4) Kaepernik
5) Wilson
6) RG3
7) Luck
8) Flacco
9) Schaub
10) Ponder
Flacco could be at best #4 if he played for Texans and Schaub would be a #10 If he'd played for Ravens.
Edit* I can't see Schaub on that list since the Ravens won't be in the PA w him as the QB this season.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
There's no logical problem with the two statements I made.
Yardage CAN be deceiving. Do you understand the difference between "CAN" and "ALWAYS IS"? I gave an instance where a big total yard number is deceiving (when a QB is having to throw to come back) and a case where it ISN'T deceiving (when a QB habitually throws less than 200 yards.) These are two different situations and scenarios.
You want to have a QB who CAN throw for a lot of yards if he has to. Flacco's not a guy you want to have to depend on to throw for yardage or for completion percentage. He's the kind of QB whose team has to prop him up. Not unlike Roethlisberger in his first SB.
The Steelers won that SB with Roethlisberger DESPITE Roethlisberger. He sucked in that game. Just like Flacco has sucked in most of his playoff appearances.
Advanced NFL Stats has an unique approach to stats.
It adds the element of probability.
For example WPA/Game is the Win Probability Added Value of a player (in this case, the QB). It gives you how much quality you get from your QB that helps you win the game.
When you look at this number (since a QB might be injured and didn't play the whole season), it shows that Schaub have had more better games than Flacco since 07, even though Flacco did have a couple of years where he was ahead of Schaub in this measure.
However, keep in mind that WPA is somewhat dependent on the defense and ST play.
There's another measure called EPA/P (Expected Point Added per Play).
It tries to depict how each QB's individual play helps add points to his team.
By this measure, Schaub has been consistently much better than Flacco.
These don't tell you how good the protections are or how much the receivers help or hurt the QBs.
No matter what, it gives you a broad view of the abilities of these guys if you add a whole career together.
On these basis, Schaub >>> Flacco.
You can google that website and check it out for yourself.
Have fun.
=P
It adds the element of probability.
For example WPA/Game is the Win Probability Added Value of a player (in this case, the QB). It gives you how much quality you get from your QB that helps you win the game.
When you look at this number (since a QB might be injured and didn't play the whole season), it shows that Schaub have had more better games than Flacco since 07, even though Flacco did have a couple of years where he was ahead of Schaub in this measure.
However, keep in mind that WPA is somewhat dependent on the defense and ST play.
There's another measure called EPA/P (Expected Point Added per Play).
It tries to depict how each QB's individual play helps add points to his team.
By this measure, Schaub has been consistently much better than Flacco.
These don't tell you how good the protections are or how much the receivers help or hurt the QBs.
No matter what, it gives you a broad view of the abilities of these guys if you add a whole career together.
On these basis, Schaub >>> Flacco.
You can google that website and check it out for yourself.
Have fun.
=P
handswarmer
Rookie
If I take out Joe's 1st game in the playoffs for the simple fact the game plan was protecting him (his 17th game as a rookie) and his 1st game the next year where he only had to throw 10 passes vs a NE in a beatdown (Ray Rice goes 83 yds on the 1st play from scrimmage for a TD), then Joe averages 205 yds a game.
In those 1st couple of years, Joe didn't have a guy like AJ he could throw to either- Derrick Mason et al do not send fear into a secondary.
But again, all the numbers can be manipulated for benefit of each point of view.
But again
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Advanced NFL Stats has an unique approach to stats.
It adds the element of probability.
For example WPA/Game is the Win Probability Added Value of a player (in this case, the QB). It gives you how much quality you get from your QB that helps you win the game.
When you look at this number (since a QB might be injured and didn't play the whole season), it shows that Schaub have had more better games than Flacco since 07, even though Flacco did have a couple of years where he was ahead of Schaub in this measure.
However, keep in mind that WPA is somewhat dependent on the defense and ST play.
There's another measure called EPA/P (Expected Point Added per Play).
It tries to depict how each QB's individual play helps add points to his team.
By this measure, Schaub has been consistently much better than Flacco.
These don't tell you how good the protections are or how much the receivers help or hurt the QBs.
No matter what, it gives you a broad view of the abilities of these guys if you add a whole career together.
On these basis, Schaub >>> Flacco.
You can google that website and check it out for yourself.
Have fun.
Hmmm pretty interesting especially considering Flacco has had that Dominant ravens defense his who career. And the texans up until recently have been average at best except 2010 when we were horrid.
Don't forget Ray Rice & one of the better LTs in the league.
handswarmer
Rookie
Fster is a lesser back than Ray Rice?
Better LT's??? You mean the one wh got switcched to Right Tackle a few weeks ago because he sucks?:mariopalm:
Do they teach reading comprehension up there?
Schaub has not had Foster or a dominant LT his whole career. Flacco has had Rice & a dominant LT his whole career. That's why he could win play-off games throwing for less than 200 yards a game.
Flacco had no more affect on those games than Schaub did in our 2011 Wild Card win over Cincy.
handswarmer
Rookie
I'll help you out here since you don't watch too many Ravens games
2008- Ray rice splits carries with Willis MaGahee and LeRon McLain
Flacco has had only one more year with Rice than Schaub has had with Foster (09)
Which dominant LT are you talking about?
Jon Ogden retired in 07, Jared Gaither was the LT in 08 and 09- Oher was drafted in 09- in 10 he was switched to LT from RT- he struggled so bad that before the '11 season, the Ravens went out and signed Brynat "Love Boat" McKinnie who played LT all last year. Then he got benched for Oher- I have no idea why.
Only recently has McKinnie played LT- like the last 2 games
Flacco was definitely a bigger factor in both of their wins than Schaub has been over the last 5 weeks.
I honestly don't give a crap about Schaub. If we win, we win. I just don't see us winning without him having a big day.
I pulled for the Ravens to win, so I'm glad they did.
But Flacco was more lucky than good today.
One TD was due to poor secondary play (the one down the middle).
The one to Torrey could have been called Offensive PI.
The ball was thrown to a place where Bailey was in better position to make a play.
The one in OT could have been intercepted or at least broken up.
It was actually short and Jones had to wait for it.
So true.... so true.
handswarmer
Rookie
Waaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuggggggggghhhhhhhh
You'll cry about anything....
Make a tee time for monday
If the Pats secondary play like the Broncos' unit today and Schaub is protected as Well as Flacco was, and the receivers make plays like the Ravens did today, there's no reason why Schaub can't look good.
Foster breaking for a big one like Rice did can help, too.
Congratulation on the win man.
But a spade is a spade. I won't be getting into a back-and-forth with you so don't bother.
On top of that he missed 2 deep throws when there was no pressure.
I don't know, they may lose a player or two next year.
They will probably lose even more the following year due to some key players due for a big payday.
handswarmer
Rookie
Congratulation on the win man.
But a spade is a spade. I won't be getting into a back-and-forth with you so don't bother.
Its all good dude- Joe payed like a champ today
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
It was on a tee for him this year and he didn't get it done .
handswarmer
Rookie
18/34 331yds 3TDS and a 116 rating..... not too shabby
So another QB that people want over Schaub stunk today.
Peyton with a pick, LOL.
Make it the 8th loss in the first play-off games for Forehead.
Goodbye $18M!
76..... you're unreal. Really.
It was 2 picks & a fumble.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
The big upcoming free agent is LT Ryan Clady. He turned down a 5 year 50 million dollar offer this offseason. Now the Broncos will have a good amount of capspace next year, but Clady will eat up a lot of it if he stays. I'm guessing he wants Joe Thomas type money, which is about 12 a year. It would be nice if he decided to eat up a lot of it and hurt the Broncos chances of acquiring more free agents.
Other than him, the only significant losses are Tracy Porter and Brandon Stokely. They should be easy to replace through the draft, but I think today's game was a pretty obvious show of issues on the Denver defense. Bailey just can't keep up with WRs anymore and should be moved to safety. Bring in a young talented CB and groom him to become the #1. I would expect the Broncos to draft two CBs this next draft, it's clearly a dire need.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Manning had 4 turnovers and 3 sacks. 2 INTs, 2 fumbles lost.
Flacco had 1 turnover and 1 sack. 1 fumble lost.
Flacco played well today and out-dueled Manning. 14 of the Broncos points came from special teams, 7 of the Ravens points came from defense. I think that's pretty significant that the Ravens offense actually scored more points than the Broncos offense.
I was happy to see Flacco's ability to roll out of the pocket to extend plays or safely throw away the ball. I think that made a huge difference in this game, as the Broncos defense didn't really hit Flacco too much. Granted the Ravens were often using 6 blockers or more on passing plays, but it worked. Congrats, hopefully we will see you in Houston next week
Oh yeah, I forgot the didn't grant him the tuck rule.
I didn't put the pass where the receiver deflected the ball on Manning.
Unlike some people, I don't blindly believe in just any stats.
When I looked at the play I thought he lost the tuck rule when he lost the ball when it hit the OLman's butt. It isn't legal to tuck the ball in the butt.
BeerTastesLikeVictory
Custom Title
It isn't legal to tuck the ball in the butt.
Tell that to Mark Sanchez
Man, I just realize that they have a bunch cap space from previous years that they can roll over. It looks like they will be just fine.
This list doesn't look too bad.
I don't know if I would take Flacco over Schaub though.
Maybe next year.
Wilson, I like his upside quite a bit. Not sure he plays better this year, however.
Well the head in the butt move by Sanchez is way worse than the Manning ball in the butt move, both are parts of losing efforts of course.
Hell, Denver was a playoff team last year with Tim Tebow at QB...
:wadepalm:
sorry, not impressed.
klockWork
Rookie
You guys don't realized how good this dude can be. I was already convinced on that MNF game against the Bears a few weeks ago. He's is like a bigger version of Johnny Manziel. I can't see anyone preventing SF from playing in the SB.
klockWork
Rookie
Why you despised Flacco so much? The guy threw 2 deep TD pass in stride against all pro Champ Bailey and threw another long one to tied the game up late. And you call that having a lucky day? I call that forcing the Defense's hands. I call that not taking what the Defense gives you and take what is rightfully yours.
That is an epic PO performances. I have no problem giving this man credits.
handswarmer
Rookie
Manning had 4 turnovers and 3 sacks. 2 INTs, 2 fumbles lost.
Flacco had 1 turnover and 1 sack. 1 fumble lost.
Flacco played well today and out-dueled Manning. 14 of the Broncos points came from special teams, 7 of the Ravens points came from defense. I think that's pretty significant that the Ravens offense actually scored more points than the Broncos offense.
I was happy to see Flacco's ability to roll out of the pocket to extend plays or safely throw away the ball. I think that made a huge difference in this game, as the Broncos defense didn't really hit Flacco too much. Granted the Ravens were often using 6 blockers or more on passing plays, but it worked. Congrats, hopefully we will see you in Houston next week
The reworked Oline did wonders yesterday.