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Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs

handswarmer said:
No way you can put Schaub above Flacco.

Sorry, you just can't.
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Its a wash.

Flacco has better are strength but is crazy inaccuarte.

Schaub has a noodle arm but has a better completion %

Neither can run but I would personally take Flacco
 
DX-TEX said:
Its a wash.

Flacco has better are strength but is crazy inaccuarte.

Schaub has a noodle arm but has a better completion %

Neither can run but I would personally take Flacco
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Texan_Bill said:
Ummmmm, yes you can.... While Schaub is no great shakes, neither is Flacco.... Flacco has beneifitted from way better teams. Thats it.
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having AJ hasn't helped Schaub??? Texans defense is pretty good too. Ravens isn't. Yet Flacco wins...
 
handswarmer said:
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having AJ hasn't helped Schaub??? Texans defense is pretty good too. Ravens isn't. Yet Flacco wins...
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Ummmm, the Texans defense is pretty good?? Perhaps you're not aware that over the last 7 or 8 games they've been ranked around 26 or 27th? If you really wanna be a respectable poster here on TexansTalk, (which is really cool) and you've been cool in the past..... Know that.

AJ.... As much as we love him here (borderline Earl or Bum status), he'll be the first to admit he's missed a few this season.
 
handswarmer said:
having AJ hasn't helped Schaub??? Texans defense is pretty good too. Ravens isn't. Yet Flacco wins...
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Of course AJ has helped Schaub and vice versa. Ravens D may not be as good this year but there is no doubt Flacco has benefited from better D's over the course of his career than Schaub. Flacco has also had Ray Rice his whole career while Schaub had no running game until Foster came along. And c'mon - he was just chucking and praying to Boldin last weekend. As someone above said, I would put them about on par - with very different skill sets. If forced to choose I would take Flacco mainly because of his age.
 
infantrycak said:
Of course AJ has helped Schaub and vice versa. Ravens D may not be as good this year but there is no doubt Flacco has benefited from better D's over the course of his career than Schaub. Flacco has also had Ray Rice his whole career while Schaub had no running game until Foster came along. And c'mon - he was just chucking and praying to Boldin last weekend. As someone above said, I would put them about on par - with very different skill sets. If forced to choose I would take Flacco mainly because of his age.
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ONLY....... ONLY because of Flaccos age. Otherwise, it's a wash.
 
infantrycak said:
Of course AJ has helped Schaub and vice versa. Ravens D may not be as good this year but there is no doubt Flacco has benefited from better D's over the course of his career than Schaub. Flacco has also had Ray Rice his whole career while Schaub had no running game until Foster came along.
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Yet Schaub has been more consistent. That's why I would rate Schaub over Flacco.

As far as potential goes, Flacco has him beat. But there's a lot of guys with more potential that hasn't been as consistently good as Schaub.
 
Fiddler said:
Yet Schaub has been more consistent. That's why I would rate Schaub over Flacco.

As far as potential goes, Flacco has him beat. But there's a lot of guys with more potential that hasn't been as consistently good as Schaub.
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It does seem like Schaub's worst football is starting to become more consistent. I am definitely starting to think that "cutting bait" by bringing in a better player for him will soon be a smart move, but I won't forget how consistent he has been over the years just because of a few bad games. That's why I can't respect the opinions of these guys that cheer for this guy all year long and even for several years, and say nothing when we're 6-1, 7-1, 8-,1, 9-1, and 10-1, but then the minute we drop two games all of a sudden he is worthless, a bottom feeder, a joke at the position, and etc. Schaub is the same guy that he has always been .
 
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Texan_Bill said:
Ummmm, the Texans defense is pretty good?? Perhaps you're not aware that over the last 7 or 8 games they've been ranked around 26 or 27th? If you really wanna be a respectable poster here on TexansTalk, (which is really cool) and you've been cool in the past..... Know that.

AJ.... As much as we love him here (borderline Earl or Bum status), he'll be the first to admit he's missed a few this season.
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I am aware of ewhata has transpired over the last few games- I was talking about the totality of the last 2 years as far as the defense goes.

Foster has been pretty damn good, AJ and Daniels too....
 
GP said:
And...........again with the "these fans" ****. You did this for "those fans" that you deemed to be worthless for rooting for Mario then turning on him when he left. Now you're doing with Schaub in the place of Mario. The constant? You attack your fellow fans and that's getting so damned old, Tex.

You've become The Fan Sheriff. My gawd, man.
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Do you really need to write this in every single thread on the boards? He never even used the phrase "these fans"
 
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GP said:
And...........again with the "these fans" ****. You did this for "those fans" that you deemed to be worthless for rooting for Mario then turning on him when he left. Now you're doing with Schaub in the place of Mario. The constant? You attack your fellow fans and that's getting so damned old, Tex.

You've become The Fan Sheriff. My gawd, man.
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Guilty conscience seems to have you uptight and uneasy.
 
Texecutioner said:
Guilty conscience seems to have you uptight and uneasy.
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Nah, man. I'm done.

I'm bigger than that. So I'm done.

I started to PM you, but it wouldn't matter. Typed it out, erased it.

You're hell bent on tearing fans a new *******. Have at it. They're all yours, King Tex. Do your worst.
 
GP said:
Nah, man. I'm done.

I'm bigger than that. So I'm done.

I started to PM you, but it wouldn't matter. Typed it out, erased it.

You're hell bent on tearing fans a new *******. Have at it. They're all yours, King Tex. Do your worst.
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You called yourself out there bud.
 
gafftop said:
Don't know how to do poll where you can rank from first to last but would be curious where you think MS ranks is relation to the other QBs in the playoffs both AFC and NFC. Sorry if this has already been done.
Brady
Manning
Rodgers
Ryan
Luck
Flacco
Dalton
RGIII
Wilson
MS
Kaepernick
Ponder

Sorry I should start
9 or 10 presently
11 or 12 in future
Just my opinion
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well, i'd put him above luck, dalton, rg3, and ponder. in a week we'll put him over brady, flacco, wilson, and rodgers.
 
The only player Shaub goes ahead is Ponder. I see you guys have Kaepernick very low. I have him #4 on the list. I think he's that good. I can easily see him outplay Rogers next week.
 
handswarmer said:
No way you can put Schaub above Flacco.

Sorry, you just can't.
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How many times has Flacco thrown for over 4700 yards in a season? 4500? 4000? Um, never? OK.

How many times has Flacco had a QB Rating over 90? 1 time? OK.

Flacco has the better arm. He's the better athlete. But he's not a better QB. And if you can hit him a couple of times, he gets shaky and starts making bad throws... especially if he's not in Baltimore.

I'd take Schaub over Flacco.
 
handswarmer said:
I am aware of ewhata has transpired over the last few games- I was talking about the totality of the last 2 years as far as the defense goes.

Foster has been pretty damn good, AJ and Daniels too....
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What is the point mentioning last year? Schaub had Houston at 7-3 last year before he got injured. That was the first year he didn't have a terrible defense. In 2010 Houston had a historically bad defense. There was a period that year where the defense gave up over thirty points every game (7 games straight).

handswarmer said:
having AJ hasn't helped Schaub??? Texans defense is pretty good too. Ravens isn't. Yet Flacco wins...
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If you're just talking about the last two years then how can you say Flacco just wins over Schaub? Flacco got the Ravens one game further than Houston last year (despite playing a non-Schaub Texans), and didn't Houston have more wins than Baltimore this year? This argument seems inconsistent to me...

Bottom line, this is the first time Schaub has experienced the playoffs. Last year he got injured and previous years the defense didn't do it's job. Does Schaub have what it takes in the playoffs? I honestly don't know, but this week against the Patriots will be his first real challenge in the playoffs.
 
gafftop said:
Don't know how to do poll where you can rank from first to last but would be curious where you think MS ranks is relation to the other QBs in the playoffs both AFC and NFC. Sorry if this has already been done.
Brady
Manning
Rodgers
Ryan
Luck
Flacco
Dalton
RGIII
Wilson
MS
Kaepernick
Ponder

Sorry I should start
9 or 10 presently
11 or 12 in future
Just my opinion
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Just want to be clear, the list above was not put in order.
 
ckhouston said:
I speak my mind and have very rarely pointed a comment at someone personally unless they did so first to me. So I am a fan who has a strong opinion as a fan. As a man if I say something to anyone I will be more then happy to meet and discuss a possible resolution to whatever seems to be the issue. You see its one thing to have a big mouth and act like a big shot, and entirely different to be willing to back up your comments outside the confines and safety of a computer screen.
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I highly doubt you would act in person the way you do here or the other texans board you got banned from. I guess talking **** and telling another person to go get drunk and play on some escalators is something you would do in person too huh? If it is you have issues, if not it seems you too have been bitten by the Im a badass message board thug virus

ckhouston said:
In the end though it would better if folks would just discuss football and leave the personal comments out of it. Browse through the threads and you will see more personal attacks here than quality comments on the team. It is the environment that has been allowed to flourish on this board unfortunately.
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The way you post and how you come across certainly takes away from the acutal football discussion and adds to the crap that goes on



ckhouston said:
If you don't think a player is doing a good job you get called a troll. If someone disagrees with your opinion you get your intelligence questioned. Why not just come back with a counter point and debate the issue or agree to disagree? Instead of calling names and making up lies about other members and asking for people to get banned for their opinion.

Would be a more inviting and productive climate I think.
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I dont think anyone calls you a troll simply for the fact that you dont like Matt Schaub. You are beyond rediculous with many of your posts and your hate for Matt makes you blind and thats what drives the responses you get.


Did you get banned from the other board for having an opposing opinion while acting in a mature fashion?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
How many times has Flacco thrown for over 4700 yards in a season? 4500? 4000? Um, never? OK.

How many times has Flacco had a QB Rating over 90? 1 time? OK.

Flacco has the better arm. He's the better athlete. But he's not a better QB. And if you can hit him a couple of times, he gets shaky and starts making bad throws... especially if he's not in Baltimore.

I'd take Schaub over Flacco.
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i'll take 'What is "I'm in the wrong category?" for $800, Alec'

The question was "Re: Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs ?"

I made it big so you could see it....
 
JCTexan said:
What is the point mentioning last year? Schaub had Houston at 7-3 last year before he got injured. That was the first year he didn't have a terrible defense. In 2010 Houston had a historically bad defense. There was a period that year where the defense gave up over thirty points every game (7 games straight).



If you're just talking about the last two years then how can you say Flacco just wins over Schaub? Flacco got the Ravens one game further than Houston last year (despite playing a non-Schaub Texans), and didn't Houston have more wins than Baltimore this year? This argument seems inconsistent to me...

Bottom line, this is the first time Schaub has experienced the playoffs. Last year he got injured and previous years the defense didn't do it's job. Does Schaub have what it takes in the playoffs? I honestly don't know, but this week against the Patriots will be his first real challenge in the playoffs.
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You got on me for including last year then you went back to 2010? That makes no sense.

Schaub has benefitted from a better running game, better WR and a better defense, yet Flacco has more wins.
 
ckhouston said:
This board isn't here for you and I to have personal discussions. If you want personal information from me you can PM me. Lets talk football or just not talk.
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I dont need anything from you so we can leave it at not talking until you post something stupid in terms of football and then I will comment


edit: I noticed your neg rep and little rant. Im not sure why you think you getting banned for acting like a fool on another texans message board shouldnt be brought up here but I think it is certainly relevant to how you act on this board as well
 
My List goes I would take.

T. Brady
P. Manning
A. Rogers
D. Brees
E. Manning
B. Rothlesberger

and the rest I can't tell you. Matt Schuab is down there some where with Flacco.
 
handswarmer said:
You got on me for including last year then you went back to 2010? That makes no sense.

Schaub has benefitted from a better running game, better WR and a better defense, yet Flacco has more wins.
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This doesn't make sense. You say Schaub has benefitted from a better defense? The only way that's true is if we're talking about the past two years and the Ravens & Texans had similar defenses last year (both gave up the same amount of yards & points per game).

Saying "Flacco just wins" over Schaub only makes sense if we're going beyond the past two years. Schaub wasn't a participant in the playoffs and both teams were at 7-3 when Schaub got injured. This year Houston was 12-4 entering the playoffs and Baltimore 10-6. Last year the Ravens went 12-4 and Houston was 10-6.

If you want to go further into the past (2010?) then I can understand you saying Flacco just wins, though you would have to eliminate the "Schaub benefitting from a better running game, better defense, etc." comment.
 
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handswarmer said:
You got on me for including last year then you went back to 2010? That makes no sense.

Schaub has benefitted from a better running game, better WR and a better defense, yet Flacco has more wins.
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Schaub has only had a better defense the past couple of years.

QBs don't win games, teams do. If our defense had been better over the course of Schaub's career, he'd have more wins than Flacco. Over the past 2 years when Schaub has actually had a defense he could rely on, he's had more wins than Flacco.
 
handswarmer said:
i'll take 'What is "I'm in the wrong category?" for $800, Alec'

The question was "Re: Where does Matt rank with QBs in playoffs ?"

I made it big so you could see it....
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Not in the wrong category at all. Flacco is not as good of a QB as Schaub therefore I rank Matt higher than Flacco.
 
JCTexan said:
This doesn't make sense. You say Schaub has benefitted from a better defense? The only way that's true is if we're talking about the past two years and the Ravens & Texans had similar defenses last year (both gave up the same amount of yards & points per game).

Saying "Flacco just wins" over Schaub only makes sense if we're going beyond the past two years. Schaub wasn't a participant in the playoffs and both teams were at 7-3 when Schaub got injured. This year Houston was 12-4 entering the playoffs and Baltimore 10-6. Last year the Ravens went 12-4 and Houston was 10-6.

If you want to go further into the past (2010?) then I can understand you saying Flacco just wins, though you would have to eliminate the "Schaub benefitting from a better running game, better defense, etc." comment.
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So Schaub started all 16 games last year?
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Schaub has only had a better defense the past couple of years.

QBs don't win games, teams do. If our defense had been better over the course of Schaub's career, he'd have more wins than Flacco. Over the past 2 years when Schaub has actually had a defense he could rely on, he's had more wins than Flacco.
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Wrong answer- Schaub 19 wins Flacco 22 Wins + 2 more in playoffs
 
handswarmer said:
So Schaub started all 16 games last year?
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No. Both the Texans & Ravens were 7-3 when Schaub got injured.

handswarmer said:
Wrong answer- Schaub 19 wins Flacco 22 Wins + 2 more in playoffs
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During this period Flacco only has one more playoff win than Schaub, which ironically came against the Texans. Both teams have the same amount of playoff victories the past two years.

handswarmer said:
With 8 more chances to do so. Flacco hasn't missed a start in his career- 5 years now.
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Ok? So you're willing to mention Flacco's wins during the period Schaub got injured but not his losses? It works both ways...
 
Joe Flacco is the bottom of the barrel. Matt Schaub is that thin film of slime that forms just ABOVE that. NEITHER will get into the hall of fame unless they're driving around in Ohio and get lost.
 
handswarmer said:
With 8 more chances to do so. Flacco hasn't missed a start in his career- 5 years now.
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He hasn't missed a start but he sure has "missed plenty of starts by being on the field and not showing up.

Schaub>Flacco.

Not a great indicator but there is a reason for Matts better stats and pro bowl appearances.
 
Texans fans: My turd is shinier than yours!
Ravens fans: No it's not! Mine has more polish on it!
Texans fans: Nuh uh!
Ravens fans: Yeah huh!
Texans fans: Nuh uh!
Ravens fans: Yeah huh!

:slapfight:
 
Dutchrudder said:
Texans fans: My turd is shinier than yours!
Ravens fans: No it's not! Mine has more polish on it!
Texans fans: Nuh uh!
Ravens fans: Yeah huh!
Texans fans: Nuh uh!
Ravens fans: Yeah huh!

:slapfight:
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Hey.......




that's elite turd.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
You want to bring up Flacco's post season stats? Really? How many games has he thrown for under 200 yards in the playoffs?
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200 yds is the benchmark? Really?

Who has more wins? He's 6-4. Blah blah blah about the defense and running game....Schaub had that in NE earlier this year and look what happened.

Last year Playoffs in NE- Flacco was 22-36 61.1% for 306 2TD 1INT
This year Reg Sea n NE- Schaub was 19-32 59% for 232 0TD 1INT

And go back and look at the defenses that Flacco has played against in the playoffs.
 
handswarmer said:
200 yds is the benchmark? Really?

Who has more wins? He's 6-4. Blah blah blah about the defense and running game....Schaub had that in NE earlier this year and look what happened.

Last year Playoffs in NE- Flacco was 22-36 61.1% for 306 2TD 1INT
This year Reg Sea n NE- Schaub was 19-32 59% for 232 0TD 1INT

And go back and look at the defenses that Flacco has played against in the playoffs.
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If you consistently throw for less than 200 yards per game, you suck as a QB. Flacco has played in 10 playoff games. He's thrown for over 200 yards in 3 of them. He averages 180 yards per playoff game.

Just pulling a name out of the air... Chad Pennington. He was an OK QB in his day and his day wasn't too long ago. He averaged just over 230 yards per game in the playoffs. He was not a great QB.

Like I said earlier in the thread, Flacco has all the tools to be a great QB except for the stuff between his ears and the stuff in his heart. If you hit him a couple of times, he starts getting inaccurate and he starts making bad decisions. Flacco is like Sanchez with an arm.

Going into the playoffs if I had to choose between Schaub and Flacco, I'd take Schaub. Schaub's going to complete a higher percentage of passes and he's going to make better reads.
 
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