Considering that ZERO 1st-yr QBs have started, much less won a Superbowl, upon what do you base this assessment?
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What's your plan for QB next season?
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Some remedial reading - http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...rted-super-bowl-game-dak-prescott-change-that
I hope O'b has been doing an honest assesment of Tom Savage's progression & has been actively making changes to get him ready. If that's the case, I have no problem with it taking 3 years instead of two for him to be "ready" to start.
I just don't get that feeling.
Just to be clear... we're not saying he has to win the Super Bowl, but he's got to field a true contender, right? I mean going toe to toe with the best team in the league to the last minute kind of contender.
If that's the case, I agree with this post, 100%.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Your comment is predicated on an assumption that OB and Smith will be gone. You know **** well the organization isn't going into the draft and the season with this in mind.
This season is the final contract year for both Savage and Weeden. You need to draft a QB3. Whoever wins QB1 for this coming season will be resigned for 2018. The other will be let go and this year's QB3 will move up to 2018 QB2. In 2018 we will need to draft a QB3. So by 2019 we will have one seasoned veteran and two young developmental QB's to contend for QB1.
Ideally.
I think the Texans have to be able to go toe-to-toe with anyone in the playoffs. And if they lose, it can't be the QB holding them back. Sounds like a tough position to be in, but he's put himself there.
zshawn10
All Pro
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If this does happen who would you want?
I know damn well that this is O'Brien's 4th year in a 5 year contract. And there's no extension forthcoming without a contending season. And McNair won't play a 2018 season with a coach on a lame duck contract. This is do or die.
This is not the time to make long term plans that may never come to fruition. It's the time to win. As I said, if there is a QB available that Bill thinks can compete for the job and help the team win now, absolutely draft that QB. Stash him on the bench for a season O'Brien may never coach? No freaking way. Take the players that can help you win now.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Why would you take McShay or Kiper's words to have any credence but not do the same with Glazer?
I don't understand why you'd think that was truly the case. Haven't we talked about conjecture over and over on this board?
There is no evidence of this. Prior to OB's arrival, this same FO didn't take QBs in the draft during that time either. Evidence shows that for whatever reason, the FO doesn't like taking QBs in the first 3 rounds. It doesn't appear to have anything to do with OB. That or both Kubiak and OB didn't value it, but that doesn't fly either considering Denver took Paxton Lynch in the 1st round last year.
I don't understand why you'd think that was truly the case. Haven't we talked about conjecture over and over on this board?
There is no evidence of this. Prior to OB's arrival, this same FO didn't take QBs in the draft during that time either. Evidence shows that for whatever reason, the FO doesn't like taking QBs in the first 3 rounds. It doesn't appear to have anything to do with OB. That or both Kubiak and OB didn't value it, but that doesn't fly either considering Denver took Paxton Lynch in the 1st round last year.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
How the Texans could get a top three quarterback at No. 25
By John McClain
April 7, 2017
The Texans may need an act of God to finally answer their prayers for a quarterback who will provide the consistency and stability that have been missing since Bill O'Brien was hired in 2014.
Because they know Tony Romo isn't part of the equation, the Texans can focus on quarterbacks who are available in the draft. They need to find a prospect who has the potential to save them from a predicament that's become an annual embarrassment for the organization.
When the Texans begin their offseason program April 17, veterans Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden will be the starter and backup. They need another one.
The top-three prospects in the draft April 27-29 are Mitchell Trubisky, Deshawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes.
The problem is that each of the three-best prospects could be gone before general manager Rick Smith makes the 25th pick in the first round.
Could Smith spend what it would take to trade up considering he already surrendered their 2018 second-round pick to Cleveland in the Brock Osweiler trade? Perhaps a few spots, but don't expect him to deal multiple first- and second-round picks to move up in the top five or even the top 10. That just hasn't been his draft philosophy, and no quarterback in this draft is worth that kind of ransom, anyway.
For an opportunity to get one of the three who are projected to go in the first round - Trubisky, Watson and the fast-rising Mahomes - the Texans need for teams that could take quarterbacks in the first round to bypass them for other positions.
Before looking at the teams ahead of the Texans who could select a quarterback, let's examine the top three.
Trubisky has the size, arm strength and ability scouts like, but he started only one season at North Carolina. That scares a lot of coaches. The more years a quarterback has started in college, the more comprehensive body of work teams have to evaluate.
Watson was a multiple-season starter who played his best in big games, including leading Clemson to a national championship victory over Alabama. He destroyed Alabama's defense in the last two championship games. He's an incredible athlete who must learn to play more from the pocket, and he threw a lot of interceptions that concern scouts and coaches.
Mahomes was a three-year starter at Texas Tech. He has the best arm in the draft and terrific mobility. The more teams have studied him and gotten to know him, the more they like him. Like Watson, he threw too many interceptions. He's got to control his gunslinger mentality at the next level.
There are a lot of teams that need quarterbacks, including four that have established starters who have turned 35 and might elect to groom eventual replacements. The Texans need for all of them to pass up a quarterback.
Let's take a look at teams that might pick a quarterback before it's the Texans' turn at 25.
Cleveland and San Francisco are desperate for prospects, but they're not going to use the first and second overall picks on that position.
The first team the Texans need to worry about is the New York Jets, who have the sixth overall pick.
General manager Mike Maccagnan has drafted a quarterback - Bryce Petty (fourth round) and Christian Hackenberg (second) - in each of his first two years in charge of their draft.
The Jets have a lot of needs. Unless Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles believe one of this year's prospects can become the franchise quarterback they need, they'll use the pick on a player at another position who can start and make an immediate impact.
The Los Angeles Chargers have the seventh pick. Philip Rivers is 35 and one of the most durable quarterbacks in the NFL. He may play until he's 40.
With a new coach in Anthony Lynn, they need a player who can start right away.
Some think Buffalo will take a quarterback at 10, but the Bills just committed to Tyrod Taylor, so the Texans shouldn't worry about them.
New Orleans has the 11th pick. Drew Brees is 38, but he's shown no signs of his age and wants to keep playing. He's like Tom Brady in that he might play into his early 40s.
The Browns have the 12th overall pick and seem certain to take a quarterback. Nobody knows which quarterback they like the most, so take one of the board.
Arizona is next. Carson Palmer is 37. Coach Bruce Arians likes to develop young quarterbacks. It won't be surprising if the Cardinals take the second quarterback off the board.
That leaves one, and the Texans are still 12 picks away, but the next nine teams - Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Baltimore, Washington, Tennessee, Tampa Bay, Denver, Detroit and Miami - aren't going to use a first-round pick on a quarterback.
That leaves the New York Giants and Oakland drafting ahead of the Texans.
Eli Manning is 36 and never misses a game, so it's doubtful the Giants will select a quarterback.
With Derek Carr, there's no way Oakland takes a quarterback one spot in front of the Texans.
So, under this scenario, one of the quarterbacks rated among the top three will be available for the Texans.
Who will it be?
Will Smith and O'Brien like him?
Those are questions for another day.
By John McClain
April 7, 2017
The Texans may need an act of God to finally answer their prayers for a quarterback who will provide the consistency and stability that have been missing since Bill O'Brien was hired in 2014.
Because they know Tony Romo isn't part of the equation, the Texans can focus on quarterbacks who are available in the draft. They need to find a prospect who has the potential to save them from a predicament that's become an annual embarrassment for the organization.
When the Texans begin their offseason program April 17, veterans Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden will be the starter and backup. They need another one.
The top-three prospects in the draft April 27-29 are Mitchell Trubisky, Deshawn Watson and Patrick Mahomes.
The problem is that each of the three-best prospects could be gone before general manager Rick Smith makes the 25th pick in the first round.
Could Smith spend what it would take to trade up considering he already surrendered their 2018 second-round pick to Cleveland in the Brock Osweiler trade? Perhaps a few spots, but don't expect him to deal multiple first- and second-round picks to move up in the top five or even the top 10. That just hasn't been his draft philosophy, and no quarterback in this draft is worth that kind of ransom, anyway.
For an opportunity to get one of the three who are projected to go in the first round - Trubisky, Watson and the fast-rising Mahomes - the Texans need for teams that could take quarterbacks in the first round to bypass them for other positions.
Before looking at the teams ahead of the Texans who could select a quarterback, let's examine the top three.
Trubisky has the size, arm strength and ability scouts like, but he started only one season at North Carolina. That scares a lot of coaches. The more years a quarterback has started in college, the more comprehensive body of work teams have to evaluate.
Watson was a multiple-season starter who played his best in big games, including leading Clemson to a national championship victory over Alabama. He destroyed Alabama's defense in the last two championship games. He's an incredible athlete who must learn to play more from the pocket, and he threw a lot of interceptions that concern scouts and coaches.
Mahomes was a three-year starter at Texas Tech. He has the best arm in the draft and terrific mobility. The more teams have studied him and gotten to know him, the more they like him. Like Watson, he threw too many interceptions. He's got to control his gunslinger mentality at the next level.
There are a lot of teams that need quarterbacks, including four that have established starters who have turned 35 and might elect to groom eventual replacements. The Texans need for all of them to pass up a quarterback.
Let's take a look at teams that might pick a quarterback before it's the Texans' turn at 25.
Cleveland and San Francisco are desperate for prospects, but they're not going to use the first and second overall picks on that position.
The first team the Texans need to worry about is the New York Jets, who have the sixth overall pick.
General manager Mike Maccagnan has drafted a quarterback - Bryce Petty (fourth round) and Christian Hackenberg (second) - in each of his first two years in charge of their draft.
The Jets have a lot of needs. Unless Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles believe one of this year's prospects can become the franchise quarterback they need, they'll use the pick on a player at another position who can start and make an immediate impact.
The Los Angeles Chargers have the seventh pick. Philip Rivers is 35 and one of the most durable quarterbacks in the NFL. He may play until he's 40.
With a new coach in Anthony Lynn, they need a player who can start right away.
Some think Buffalo will take a quarterback at 10, but the Bills just committed to Tyrod Taylor, so the Texans shouldn't worry about them.
New Orleans has the 11th pick. Drew Brees is 38, but he's shown no signs of his age and wants to keep playing. He's like Tom Brady in that he might play into his early 40s.
The Browns have the 12th overall pick and seem certain to take a quarterback. Nobody knows which quarterback they like the most, so take one of the board.
Arizona is next. Carson Palmer is 37. Coach Bruce Arians likes to develop young quarterbacks. It won't be surprising if the Cardinals take the second quarterback off the board.
That leaves one, and the Texans are still 12 picks away, but the next nine teams - Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Baltimore, Washington, Tennessee, Tampa Bay, Denver, Detroit and Miami - aren't going to use a first-round pick on a quarterback.
That leaves the New York Giants and Oakland drafting ahead of the Texans.
Eli Manning is 36 and never misses a game, so it's doubtful the Giants will select a quarterback.
With Derek Carr, there's no way Oakland takes a quarterback one spot in front of the Texans.
So, under this scenario, one of the quarterbacks rated among the top three will be available for the Texans.
Who will it be?
Will Smith and O'Brien like him?
Those are questions for another day.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Not saying I disagree with your assessment but taking Lynch struck me as a desperate move on Elways part to insure he had something at the QB position and not really a Kubiak move. Despite what the Denver FO spin machine says Elway did want to keep Osweiler and him leaving threw them for a loop, I mean they went out and signed butt fumble for Gods sake.
Also Kubiak has always struck me as the type of coach that wants to QB to be just another player on the team and Elway seems to rule the Denver front office with an iron fist. So to me Lynch was all Elway and Kubiak was going to accept it like it or not.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Not saying I disagree with your assessment but taking Lynch struck me as a desperate move on Elways part to insure he had something at the QB position and not really a Kubiak move. Despite what the Denver FO spin machine says Elway did want to keep Osweiler and him leaving threw them for a loop, I mean they went out and signed butt fumble for Gods sake.
Also Kubiak has always struck me as the type of coach that wants to QB to be just another player on the team and Elway seems to rule the Denver front office with an iron fist. So to me Lynch was all Elway and Kubiak was going to accept it like it or not.
Uhh, no.
He threw 15 in 573 atts as a soph and 10 in 591 atts as a junior. That's not only not too many for the number of passes being thrown, it's a clear improvement toward better ball protection and decision making. And in the mean time his yards per attempt went up, highlighting his work downfield whilst his control improved.
Watson was the opposite, throwing more picks per attempt from his soph to junior seasons while also seeing a drop in yards per attempt.
And not even to poo poo too much on Watson, just think the Mahomes wild gunslinger tale can get a little lazily repeated at times.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
But people keep saying that the draft process for every team is a collaborative effort. So, which is it?
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Of course that's what all the spin doctors and talking heads say, I mean what else are they gonna say? The GM sent in the pick while the HC was in the bathroom? It's the same as any company, present a united front and then behind closed doors point the finger at who really made the call.
I'm sure some, maybe even most, teams are a collaborative effort but the Broncos under Elway strike me as more a one captain of the ship type of org. Right or wrong Elway believes he is the end all be all of football knowledge, you can see it in the way he does interviews and talks about players good and bad. You hear more from Elway even during the season than you do from the HC.
I'm not saying he's a bad GM, it seems to mostly work for Denver, but it does to me show that his mind set is "You coach the team I give you and if you can't then it's on you".
Now as for what the Texans are thats a whole different topic and not a Pandora's box I want to open right now.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I don't disagree with you, mostly. My point was to show that it's not a fully collaborative effort. I'm sure all FOs work together, but ultimately someone is going to be the decision maker and it's really on them. So, people can say that the lack of drafting a QB is on OB all they want, but history shows that prior to him, the team had the same problem. It doesn't appear, to me, that OB is the primary decision maker.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
There isn't a coach or gm that have ever assummed a rookie qb can take a team to the superbowl. Nobody thinks that way. You're always trying to get to the bowl, but everyone know its a process of growth. Thats not a c reason not to take one.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Good catch!
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I don't disagree with you, mostly. My point was to show that it's not a fully collaborative effort. I'm sure all FOs work together, but ultimately someone is going to be the decision maker and it's really on them. So, people can say that the lack of drafting a QB is on OB all they want, but history shows that prior to him, the team had the same problem. It doesn't appear, to me, that OB is the primary decision maker.[/QUOTE]
That pretty much says it all.
The circumstances were a bit different with the last regime. Gary took a year with HHWNBM as a reclamation project , once it was apparent that he was hot garbage they immediately made the trade for Schaub ... who when healthy was competent enough given the right parts around him to get the job done. Put a healthy Schaub on this roster right now and you have a real contender.
When Schaub broke down .... that's where the problems started. At that point you have to point at the medical staff for the poor prognosis on Schaub's injuries , especially the Lisfranc injury which took what was a borderline competent arm to a sub par arm that struggled to make simple throws which were turned into scores for the opposition .... routinely. You also have to blame the GM Tricky Rick , he knew , hell , we knew .... Doc warned us on multiple occasions.
Its at that point where the team should have started bringing in new arms .... They could have drafted Clowney and still walked away with any QB in that draft not named Bortles. They collectively chose to go with FitzTragic then compound the problem the next year with Hoyerable ..... and still not having drafted a young prospect.
I said it before and I'll say it again - They ran the wrong guy out of town after that 2-14 season. Not having anything at QB was on Tricky Rick .... and that was the primary reason the team failed.
I agree for the most part. However, I think Kubiak's plan was to see what Schaub had left in him, then go with Yates.... then look in the draft, if Yates proved to be a poor option. However, he started getting suggestions from the F.O. then the bickering started, then it wasn't about football anymore. It was about who was right & all that crap.
2013... We should have drafted a QB. Glennon, Barkley, Nassib... 2013 was crap.
I wanted Rick Smith gone after 2010. & I felt if Kubiak was out after 2013, he should take Rick with him. It's only recently that I realized if you give Rick Smith a coach who knows what he wants, who knows what he's doing, He'll help you put together a top 5 squad. He did it with Gary, giving him what he was looking for, with only a handful of high draft picks. & he's done it with Wade & Crennel.
O'b might be the next best coach in the whole league for years to come... winning with the QBs we've had. Sure, the defense is great, but most games are won & lost by managing/mismanaging game situations. So yeah, he may be the next Belichick. But he needs to get in line so we can start going forward & stop going sideways. I think Mallett & Osweiler were talented enough that a decent coach could have fielded a competent offense. It was O'briens personality, ego, machismo, something that stopped him from getting the best out of those guys. Not thier lack of talent.
Then if he still don't like the kid, look for his replacement.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
You draft a QB when you have the opportunity to draft a QB. Kicking the can down the road leads to desperation (which is where we're at right now) and desperation leads to mistakes (just look at the Browns & Jets). Taking Clowney #1 was the right decision but then we turned around and passed on Derek Carr with the next pick.
2016 - Drafted Braxton Miller over Jacoby Brissett, Cody Kessler, and Connor Cook (not saying those guys are the answer but they are options). Drafted Tyler Ervin over Dak Prescott (nobody expected Dak to play the way he did but, again, we passed up an option).
2015 - Were never really in a position to nab a QB and it was a horrible class anyway.
2014 - Drafted Xavier Su'a-Filo over Carr and Garoppolo. Ended up drafting Savage (who is an option).
2013 - Drafted Brennan Williams, Sam Montgomery, and Trevardo Williams instead of Mike Glennon or Landry Jones (passing up options).
2012 - Drafted DeVier Posey over Russell Wilson (even Seattle didn't expect him to be what he was, they drafted him as a backup, but again we passed up an option). Drafted Ben Jones over Kirk Cousins in the following round.
I'm not saying you have to draft a QB every year but when you are struggling to find an answer at the position it's probably a wise idea to invest at the position. Over the last 5 years we have drafted 1 QB (Tom Savage). Over that same time frame Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, Mike Glennon, Derek Carr, Trevor Siemian, and Dak Prescott have all been drafted after the 1st round and are starters. Nick Foles, Landry Jones, A.J. McCarron, Jimmy Garoppolo, Connor Cook, and Cody Kessler were all drafted after the 1st round and are backups.
Not all of those guys are franchise guys or will even be good starters but they are options. Matt Schaub got injured 6 years ago and in all that time we've managed to invest one 4th round pick in finding his successor. Talk about kicking the can down the road.
2016 - Drafted Braxton Miller over Jacoby Brissett, Cody Kessler, and Connor Cook (not saying those guys are the answer but they are options). Drafted Tyler Ervin over Dak Prescott (nobody expected Dak to play the way he did but, again, we passed up an option).
2015 - Were never really in a position to nab a QB and it was a horrible class anyway.
2014 - Drafted Xavier Su'a-Filo over Carr and Garoppolo. Ended up drafting Savage (who is an option).
2013 - Drafted Brennan Williams, Sam Montgomery, and Trevardo Williams instead of Mike Glennon or Landry Jones (passing up options).
2012 - Drafted DeVier Posey over Russell Wilson (even Seattle didn't expect him to be what he was, they drafted him as a backup, but again we passed up an option). Drafted Ben Jones over Kirk Cousins in the following round.
I'm not saying you have to draft a QB every year but when you are struggling to find an answer at the position it's probably a wise idea to invest at the position. Over the last 5 years we have drafted 1 QB (Tom Savage). Over that same time frame Kirk Cousins, Russell Wilson, Mike Glennon, Derek Carr, Trevor Siemian, and Dak Prescott have all been drafted after the 1st round and are starters. Nick Foles, Landry Jones, A.J. McCarron, Jimmy Garoppolo, Connor Cook, and Cody Kessler were all drafted after the 1st round and are backups.
Not all of those guys are franchise guys or will even be good starters but they are options. Matt Schaub got injured 6 years ago and in all that time we've managed to invest one 4th round pick in finding his successor. Talk about kicking the can down the road.
We started Matt Schaub, Tj Yates, & Case Keenum in 2012 & 2013. Those were the options we chose to go with. We weren't "looking" for a QB in either of those years. You can say we should have been.
The Texans chose not to. I think that choice is just as valid a choice as looking for someone.
2014... Bill O'brien himself said he didn't see much separation between Derek Carr, Blake Bortles, Tom Savage & a few others. I don't have a problem with that. Maybe he included Garoppolo in that group. Maybe he thought Garoppolo was far superior to that group. I don't know. I don't see how you pass on someone you think is "that" much better than the rest of the field...
We didn't draft a QB in 2015, didn't draft one in 2016... I don't think that's about kicking the can down the road. For whatever reason this coaching staff needed to spend actual time with Fitzpatrick & Hoyer to learn what everyone else already knew.
I'm preparing myself for the Texans not taking a QB in the first three rounds. In fact, I'd be surprised if we take a QB earlier than Cleveland's compensatory 4th.
The Texans chose not to. I think that choice is just as valid a choice as looking for someone.
2014... Bill O'brien himself said he didn't see much separation between Derek Carr, Blake Bortles, Tom Savage & a few others. I don't have a problem with that. Maybe he included Garoppolo in that group. Maybe he thought Garoppolo was far superior to that group. I don't know. I don't see how you pass on someone you think is "that" much better than the rest of the field...
We didn't draft a QB in 2015, didn't draft one in 2016... I don't think that's about kicking the can down the road. For whatever reason this coaching staff needed to spend actual time with Fitzpatrick & Hoyer to learn what everyone else already knew.
I'm preparing myself for the Texans not taking a QB in the first three rounds. In fact, I'd be surprised if we take a QB earlier than Cleveland's compensatory 4th.
TK, I'll be surprised if they don't take a QB in the first 3 rds! If they would have gotten Romo, Cutler, or Kaepernick I could see them waiting until the 4th, but not now. Now I see them getting a QB, either Mahomes or Trubisky, in the 1st rd, and they may even move up to get one of them.
Sigma
Veteran
I'm not convinced they'll take a QB in the first, and definitely not convinced they'll trade up to get one.
If I had to bet money I would say either 2.25 or 3.25 (more convinced about 3.25)
I could see them waiting untill later rounds tho. maybe even later than the fourth.
I could be wrong of course
Number19
Hall of Fame
I hope not. If Mahomes were to fall to us at 1-25, we might be in a good position to trade back into the top of the second, for a high third round pick.
The 49ers, Chargers, Jets, Saints and Bills are all going to be looking at QB's in this draft but not with their first pick. They all might want to jump back into the first to get their QB and may give up their 3 to do so.
I don't think Peterman will fall to us at 3-89, but may be available at the top of 3.
I would use our two 2's for OL. I'm looking at Robinson, Moton, Bisnowaty, Feeney, and Dawkins.
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Blanda (1960)
Moon (1984) (+24)
Schaub (2007) (+23)
so I guess we'll get some action around ~2030
Number19
Hall of Fame
Dan Pastorini
Handed the ball off to Earl adequately... and occasionally Rob Carpenter
Got enough air sometimes to let Burrough run under it
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Being a fan only since 2010 I've probably missed a lot
EVERY QB ever signed or given a look-see by the Texans
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/09/photos-a-history-of-texans-quarterbacks/#photo-325185
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/09/photos-a-history-of-texans-quarterbacks/#photo-325185
TripleTap
Dead Wood
This is the proof in the pudding. Every user should look at all 43 of these QBs. It's no freaking wonder the Texans never went anywhere with these cast offs, beat downs, deadbeats, wankers, trolls, etc etc. All good men and true I'm sure, but not a good quarterback anywhere to be found. The best being that lifetime 50/50 guy Matt Somethingorother.
IMHO, it doesn't matter what the Texans do in the draft. Savage will be the starter in week 1. I think OB will double down on his bet and it won't matter what happens unless Savage goes all Hoyer or Mallett, which I don't see happening. If Savage gets hurt, OB is covered; hard to predict injuries, even if one is perceived as injury prone and if Savage has a bad game and a rookie is pressed into service, OB can blame it on McNair/Smith. If he gets fired, he'll be able to leverage control over personnel when he gets a new HC gig.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I'm holding out hope that OB goes into the OTA's and training camp with an open mind toward a fair competition between Savage and Weeden.
Both should have a firm grasp of the playbook; and both should be about equal in the physical aspect of executing the passing game.
What it should come down to is the mental aspect in executing the passing game : not staring down your receiver, staring off the DB's, going through progressions, finding the open receiver downfield, not being too quick going to the outlet receiver, etc.
If one of our two veterans can open our offense up, and OB gives that QB the opportunity, a lot of posters to this forum will be very put out because we will have nothing to worry about and we will have a very good year.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
If OB likes savage as his guy then I think there's a good chance that they won't take a qb early in this draft.
Even if one fell into their laps.
The reason I say that is because despite OB's claims about competition I don't think he wants Savage to feel like a placeholder and to basically have a situation where everyone is foaming at the mouth to have the rookie inserted as starter.
Unless he's not in love with Savage or he gets overruled.
Number19
Hall of Fame
You may have something. I've been thinking along this line, also. If we draft a QB high, is he automatically QB2? Is Weeden automatically relegated to QB3, again. If you draft a QB in the first or second round you want to start his development immediately. This is best kick started by having him take the QB2 snaps during practice. Taking the scout team snaps wouldn't be quite the same.
If you think we have the opportunity to make a serious playoff run you need to have an experienced backup. That's why Weeden is here.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Pretty much agree with this.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Drafted in first round in 1971 by Oilers
Third round pick 1971 QB Lynn Dickey from K State.
Sometimes a team will draft two QBs high if they think it is justified.
However, Oilers then GM John Breen isn't in the discussion of brilliant GM's.
Pastorini did ok and Dickey had a decent career, mostly as a backup, in Green Bay where he was traded by Breen.
I remember it well.
Agreed, which is why he wanted out/distance himself from the Os decision. That decision would be a career killer with most orgs. BOB was already thinking of his next job and wasn't going to let Ricky McNair's incompetence screw up his career.
I will bet youBOB does much better at his next HC gig and Texans fans will say that he got his seasoning here and improved at his new job.
When the truth is that with the current Texans structure no HC can truly succeed.
Bob/Ricky McNair will make this call.
BOB said as much.
If BOB had his way they would fill in the OL/defensive holes and run with Savage/Weeden at QB since this is likely his last yr here anyways.
Reminds me of Kevin McHale. Just going with the flow, trying to stay out of the way.
Then when Alexander & Morey found a coach that was in line with them... on the same page... Things started working the way they should.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Many of the national sports analysts recognize/praise what OB has been able to accomplish under trying circumstances.
Many of our posters here realize / think that the godfathers ineptitude has hamstrung OB.
I have already expressed my opinion about the "new structure changes" in the teams coaching staff.
McNair has stood by and let this organization become a clusterphuck. Hell, he has contributed to it.
Bud is starting to look smarter than McNair. Even Bud wouldn't stand behind poor GM performance.
Damn, it's happened. McNair has managed to make Bud look smart.
If you believe in the ine Bob/Ricky McNair are trying to walk.
Kubiak tried to walk that line and see where it got him? A Lombardi in Denver
I can see BOB doing much better with a hard working GM like Kubiak did in Denver. A decade says Ricky isn't the guy to bring a championship to this city.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
Poor O'b.
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humblegeo
Guest
I can tell you for a fact that Savage will not be the starting quarterback for this team next season. He is a legitimate back up and that's it. He doesn't have the skills or toughness to be an NFL starting guarterback. At this point, the starting quarterback situation in Houston is absolutely pathetic and the Houston fans are fed up with it. The idiots that are running this organization are the laughingstock of the entire NFL. Owner, GM and HC. Clueless beyond belief!
No you can't
The other 3 teams in the AFC South, along with many other teams ain't laughing too hard. Texans ain't the only team with a QB problem.
Are you drunk or too underage for that?
Texansballer74
The Marine
All i can say is wow and this is getting really old.
Wade Phillips defense is what won that Superbowl.
And that roster was already set way before the Kubiak era there begun. Not only that Peyton Manning was forced on Kubiak.
But hey let's dress things up around here all nice and pretty huh.
Rick is the enemy as usual.
You ain't been here long enough for SteelB to get old hat yet
you ain't seen nuthi'n yet
Peyton was forced on Kubiak LOL
Did Kubiak have to take the Broncos job?
Fact it's been a decade and if Ricky hasn't gotten the job done by now he probably never will.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Did Kubiak have to take the Broncos job?
Fact it's been a decade and if Ricky hasn't gotten the job done by now he probably never will.
Sorry to burst your bubble.