what QB are you projecting in the top ten next year?

[thunderkyss]

I'm borrowing this from the "Trade Ben Tate" thread.

what QB are you projecting in the top five next year?

Not that I think we need another QB, but I would like to get an idea of what you guys would be looking for in our "next signal caller.

The kid at Arkansas. Tyler Wilson.

Who wears....#8.

I like what I see of his footage. Natural passer. Led them to 11-2, had like 3,500'ish yards and 24 TDs despite having really inconsistent pass protection.

That's someone off the top of my head.

Thanks GP. Good post. I looked at a top 10 QB list for the 2013 draft. Tyler Wilson's name came up & he did catch my eye. Stats look good, but I want to watch him play before I make up my mind. 6'3" to me is on the low side of what I'd like to see as far as hight..... that's my personal preference.

Barkley is an option, Tyler Wilson, there's more than a few more who could move up that high if they declare for the draft but their names escape me. Aaron Murray (Georgia) is also a guy who could seemingly slip into the first. And Landry Jones may creep up that high (Although I want no part of him).

Thanks b0ng.

Yeah that's who I would target (Tyler Wilson). Barkley will be the number 1 or 2 pick depending on who gets it, Wilson could be top 5 just because of the position. If he can be a franchise QB then it doesn't matter what spot, just get him.

Great Post Dutch. Actually, this is the reason I felt this needed its own thread. We know that Barkley will most likely be the top rated QB in the next draft. But you would target Tyler Wilson...... why?

I don't have a problem with that, just because the guy is the top rated doesn't mean he is the best pick for your team.

What is it that you see about Tyler Wilson, that you would "target" him & not Barkley? Is it just that it will be too expensive to get to the #1 or 2 pick? Or do you think Wilson will be the better QB in our system? more upside altogether?

Please, anyone with an opinion join in.

 

[Dutchrudder]

I like Wilson a lot, and I think he could be a good fit in our offense. He takes snaps under center and in shotgun, so there shouldn't be a question about his ability there. They do lots of I-formation with 3 step drops for short passes and RB/WR screens. Arkansas runs a lot of playaction, and he seems pretty good at it which will fit right in with the Texans. He can throw on the run, has good accuracy, and he has great arm strength, some of the throws I have seen him make about 55-60 yards in the air alone. That's the kind of arm that can get AJ 10+ TDs a season. It's early though, and 2012 looks to be a terrible year for Arkansas, so maybe the Texans can get him with their 1st and not have to move at all. Hopefully that no talent overhyped QB at OU shoots up the boards for some unsuspecting team to take him.


Tyler Wilson background from Walterfootball

Career Recap: The Razorback signal-caller first played during his freshman season in 2008. Wilson played in a couple of games before redshirting with a medical hardship. He saw limited action as a backup in 2009. The first real look at Wilson came during the 2010 season when Ryan Mallett was injured.

When he filled in for Mallett, Wilson had mixed results. He completed 34-of-51 passes for 453 yards with four touchdowns and three interceptions. The majority of that came in a big game against the eventual national champion Auburn Tigers. Wilson threw for 332 yards (25-of-34) with four scores and two interceptions in that contest.

Wilson became the starter last year and played extremely well for Arkansas. He was the best signal-caller in the SEC and was chosen as the First-Team All-SEC quarterback. Wilson completed 63 percent of his passes in 2011 for 3,638 yards with 24 touchdowns and six interceptions. He also ran for four touchdowns.

Wilson was an astute player who made good decisions last season. He distributed the ball well to his weapons and led Arkansas to an 11-2 record.

The team's only losses came against the National Championship participants of Alabama and LSU. Wilson did not play particularly well in those outings against defenses comprised of good NFL prospects. In those two games, the Razorbacks quarterback completed 36-of-57 passes for 389 yards with three touchdowns and two interceptions.

Wilson finished the season well with a good bowl game against a quality Kansas State victory.



2012 Season Outlook: This looks like a very challenging season for Wilson. Arkansas is in turmoil after firing head coach Bobby Petrino this spring. Petrino ran the Razorbacks' offense and gave Wilson good preparation for the next level.

On top of losing the coach that ran the offense, Wilson lost a trio of talented college receivers. Joe Adams, Jarius Wright and Greg Childs all moved on to the NFL. While the Razorbacks suffered those loses, they will get running back Knile Davis back from injury. He should help open things up for Wilson.

Wilson does have a quality wide out to work with in Cobi Hamilton. The SEC will be as tough as usual, so Wilson will see a steady stream of good defenses on Saturdays.

Despite the obstacles, Wilson is intelligent and physically gifted, so he should still excel as a senior.

Skill-Set Summary: Wilson has the look of an NFL quarterback. He stands tall in the pocket and reads defenses well. The decision-making he displayed as a junior was very impressive.

Wilson has a strong arm and is an accurate passer. He showed the ability last season to push the ball outside the numbers and move the ball down the field with precision passes. With his size, arm and intellect, the Arkansas signal-caller will most likely be viewed as a possible safe pick to scouts.

While Wilson is a pocket passer, he is not a complete statue. He can move around to buy himself time and take advantage of openings with his legs. It is clear that Wilson is not a running quarterback who will rack up big rushing totals. However, he has enough athleticism to keep a defense honest and avoid some sacks with his legs.

For the NFL, Wilson could help himself by throwing the deep ball well in 2012 and showing the intangibles to elevate his game in crunch time. His stock would also receive a nice boost if he plays well against the elite defenses on his schedule.



2013 Draft Expectations: At this time, Wilson looks like a future first-round pick. That is a good start for next April, but it means nothing right now. Many quarterbacks have had drastic falls after disappointing final seasons in college. A few years ago Ole Miss quarterback Jevan Snead looked like a future first-rounder after the 2009 season, but went undrafted in 2010 because of a bad year.

If Wilson plays well in 2012, he'll be a first-rounder. If Wilson has a subpar season, he could fall into the mid-rounds.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013twilson.php

Highlight videos:
Tyler Wilson vs Auburn 2010

Tyler Wilson vs Auburn 2011


Tyler Wilson vs LSU 2011

2012 Cotton Bowl (Arkansas vs. Kansas State)

 

[Blake]

I'm going with Casey Pachall. TCU.

6'5", Texas bred QB. Playing in the Big12. Gotta love that.


Another dark horse. Logan Thomas. VT.

 

[thunderkyss]

I like Wilson a lot, and I think he could be a good fit in our offense. He takes snaps under center and in shotgun, so there shouldn't be a question about his ability there. They do lots of I-formation with 3 step drops for short passes and RB/WR screens. Arkansas runs a lot of playaction, and he seems pretty good at it which will fit right in with the Texans. He can throw on the run, has good accuracy, and he has great arm strength, some of the throws I have seen him make about 55-60 yards in the air alone. That's the kind of arm that can get AJ 10+ TDs a season. It's early though, and 2012 looks to be a terrible year for Arkansas, so maybe the Texans can get him with their 1st and not have to move at all. Hopefully that no talent overhyped QB at OU shoots up the boards for some unsuspecting team to take him.


Tyler Wilson background from Walterfootball

Great post, thanks for all the info.

Let's say that he gets hurt this year (heaven forbid)... or the Petrino thing really makes the team stink. In the SEC, they could go out & only win 9 games.

Would that change your mind on how good the kid can be?

I ask, because we've seen it happen. Not just to QBs... worked out pretty good for us with Arian Foster. But most of the time, a poor showing their senior season, regardless the cause...... leads to a poor career.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Great post, thanks for all the info.

Let's say that he gets hurt this year (heaven forbid)... or the Petrino thing really makes the team stink. In the SEC, they could go out & only win 9 games.

Would that change your mind on how good the kid can be?

I ask, because we've seen it happen. Not just to QBs... worked out pretty good for us with Arian Foster. But most of the time, a poor showing their senior season, regardless the cause...... leads to a poor career.

Well, there are a couple of factors in play here. Look at the 12 game schedule:

2012 Arkansas Razorbacks Schedule
Date - Opponent, Site
Sept. 1 - Jacksonville State, Home
Sept. 8 - Louisiana-Monroe, Home
Sept. 15 - Alabama, Home
Sept. 22 - Rutgers, Home
Sept. 29 - vs. Texas A&M#, TBD
Oct. 6 - at Auburn, Auburn, Ala.
Oct. 13 - Kentucky, Home
Oct. 27 - Ole Miss, Home
Nov. 3 - Tulsa, Home
Nov. 10 - at South Carolina, Columbia, S.C.
Nov. 17 - at Mississippi State, Starkville, Miss.
Nov. 24 - LSU, Home

With all the turmoil around the school, and WRs graduating, I think the program will take a step back this year. Each bolded team I would chalk up as a loss right now. That would make them 8-4 and probably Cotton Bowl bound or so. Throw in a flukey loss to Rutgers, one of the Mississippis or possibly A&M, and it looks bad on his resume. Then again, Jay Cutler was on a bad Vandy team before the draft and went 11, so you never know with these things. This is not a team that is going get 11 or 12 wins and compete in the new playoffs though.

The other factor is the loss of teammates in the draft this year. Both Joe Adams and Jarius Wright drafted this year (Vikings and Panthers). They accounted for 120 receptions, 1769 yards, and 15 TDs last year. Wilson completed 277 passes for 3638 yards and 24 TDs. That's a lot to replace there, so his new WRs may not be able to replicate that production. He will have to develop a rapport with the new guys and deal with new coaches and such. The one benefit is that the two new WR 1&2 are both 6'3 and 210+ pounds, so he will have bigger targets than the 5'10 guys he had before. Although I don't know what sort of sacrifice in speed there may be between the two sets of WRs.

We shall see, I'm hoping he does well, but at the same time I'm hoping his draft stock takes a hit, and other guys that I don't want move up. (Like Landry Jones... holy crap if he goes in the 1st, I just don't know what to say...)

 

[thunderkyss]

We shall see, I'm hoping he does well, but at the same time I'm hoping his draft stock takes a hit, and other guys that I don't want move up. (Like Landry Jones... holy crap if he goes in the 1st, I just don't know what to say...)

So you'd be ecstatic if he falls to the second & we take him?

 

[rmartin65]

Top 10? Probably Barkley, Wilson, maybe Bray or Thomas.

However (and I dont think I am being influenced by homerism, but it is possible), I think Jones is getting a bad rap on this board. I personally think he is the best QB prospect out there, and would be absolutely shocked if he dropped out of the first. He has size, mobility, experience, and a pro arm. He struggled down the stretch last year, but every player has struggles. He would have been a first rounder this past draft, and I think his stock will only rise.

 

[Dutchrudder]

So you'd be ecstatic if he falls to the second & we take him?

As of right now, with all the uncertainty around our QB situation, yeah. But there is a whole season for him to play this year, and we still need to see what happens with Schaub. I hope Schaub comes back to form and rehabs properly to play all 19 games. If not, then we need to look at QB, and I think Wilson could be that guy.

 

[steelbtexan]

1. Bray
2.Barkley
3. Wilson
4. Murray
5. L.Jones

My top 5

Landry Jones is on the fringe of the top 10.

Murray should go top 10, but will probably fall out of the top 10 due to being only 6'1. He would be a perfect fit in Gary's offense. He's smart, has a real good arm, with great accuracy and touch.

If Shaub gets hurt again this season, then QB should be the #1 priority. IMHO

 

[thunderkyss]

I personally think he is the best QB prospect out there, and would be absolutely shocked if he dropped out of the first. He has size, mobility, experience, and a pro arm. He struggled down the stretch last year, but every player has struggles.

Why do you think he struggled? Burnt out? Game got too big? Tried to do too much?

As of right now, with all the uncertainty around our QB situation, yeah. But there is a whole season for him to play this year, and we still need to see what happens with Schaub. I hope Schaub comes back to form and rehabs properly to play all 19 games. If not, then we need to look at QB, and I think Wilson could be that guy.

Right, I want to take our team situation out of this alltogether, other than our scheme & surrounding players. The guy you're looking at, do you think he's a really great fit for our team?

& I'm saying if you didn't get a chance to see him play..... injury or something, or he just had a really bad year for reasons other than his own ability.

I really wasn't think about Yates when I started this thread, but...... Look at Tj Yates. I like his size, his arm, & he looks like he's got a head for the game. He was a fifth round pick, many people believe, because he played on a poor team.

Why didn't Tj get graded like Cutler? Why can't Tj be our Cutler?

But basically, my question now, is why would a QB, like Wilson drop to obscurity if he misses his senior season? Why did Lienart drop so far after playing his Senior season...... & he had a great senior season.

Just thinking out loud.

 

[rmartin65]

Why do you think he struggled? Burnt out? Game got too big? Tried to do too much?

I think losing Broyles was the reason. He had gotten used to having Broyles as a security blanket, and when that was taken away from him, he got hesitant, and started trying to make the "perfect" throw. Hopefully this year he just sits back there in the pocket and just plays football.

 

[Wolf6151]

Thunderkyss, you might want to take a look at Tyler Bray-QB from Tennessee, here's what Walterfootball has to say about him.


Tyler Bray*, QB, Tennessee
Height: 6-6. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.82.
Projected Round (2013): Top 25.
5/8/12: Bray (6-6, 210) completed 59 percent of his passes as as sophomore in 2011, totaling for 1,983 yards with 17 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had a hand/thumb injury that caused him to miss five games and hurt him down the stretch. Bray completed 55.8 percent of his passes as a freshman for 1,849 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

Bray has all the physical tools to be a first-round quarterback, and before the hand injury, made progress to improve his accuracy compared to his freshman season.


He's a junior this year but has all the physical skills to be a very good 1st round pick, possibly top 10, and has 2 very good WR's in Justin Hunter and DaRick Rogers to help him along. I doubt seriously that he'd fall to the late 20's or early 30's of next years draft but if he made it to 15 or so we should look seriously at trading up, though it would be terribly expensive, and getting our next franchise QB. All of this obviously depends on how Schaub performs next season. I agree with Dutchrudder, hopefully Schaub returns well and plays all 19 games, but if not then we need to take a serious look at going a new direction at QB.

 

[NCTexan]

Thunderkyss, you might want to take a look at Tyler Bray-QB from Tennessee, here's what Walterfootball has to say about him.


Tyler Bray*, QB, Tennessee
Height: 6-6. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.82.
Projected Round (2013): Top 25.
5/8/12: Bray (6-6, 210) completed 59 percent of his passes as as sophomore in 2011, totaling for 1,983 yards with 17 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had a hand/thumb injury that caused him to miss five games and hurt him down the stretch. Bray completed 55.8 percent of his passes as a freshman for 1,849 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

Bray has all the physical tools to be a first-round quarterback, and before the hand injury, made progress to improve his accuracy compared to his freshman season.


He's a junior this year but has all the physical skills to be a very good 1st round pick, possibly top 10, and has 2 very good WR's in Justin Hunter and DaRick Rogers to help him along. I doubt seriously that he'd fall to the late 20's or early 30's of next years draft but if he made it to 15 or so we should look seriously at trading up, though it would be terribly expensive, and getting our next franchise QB. All of this obviously depends on how Schaub performs next season. I agree with Dutchrudder, hopefully Schaub returns well and plays all 19 games, but if not then we need to take a serious look at going a new direction at QB.

Man, I know this kid isn't bad at throwing the ball. But I don't like him.

This is all based solely on the bowl game two years ago against UNC though so I'm being a bit of a homer for sure. The thing is where TJ looked smart (he spiked the ball with to many men on the field to lead to a field goal since at the time NCAA rules didn't take off time for a penalty), Bray just came off as obnoxious. He had this whole aura around him of cockiness and it just didn't seem deserved. And then he lost and he cried because he was no good.

Based on that one game I just don't like the kids attitude.

 

[Dutchrudder]

Thunderkyss, you might want to take a look at Tyler Bray-QB from Tennessee, here's what Walterfootball has to say about him.


Tyler Bray*, QB, Tennessee
Height: 6-6. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.82.
Projected Round (2013): Top 25.
5/8/12: Bray (6-6, 210) completed 59 percent of his passes as as sophomore in 2011, totaling for 1,983 yards with 17 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had a hand/thumb injury that caused him to miss five games and hurt him down the stretch. Bray completed 55.8 percent of his passes as a freshman for 1,849 yards with 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

Bray has all the physical tools to be a first-round quarterback, and before the hand injury, made progress to improve his accuracy compared to his freshman season.


He's a junior this year but has all the physical skills to be a very good 1st round pick, possibly top 10, and has 2 very good WR's in Justin Hunter and DaRick Rogers to help him along. I doubt seriously that he'd fall to the late 20's or early 30's of next years draft but if he made it to 15 or so we should look seriously at trading up, though it would be terribly expensive, and getting our next franchise QB. All of this obviously depends on how Schaub performs next season. I agree with Dutchrudder, hopefully Schaub returns well and plays all 19 games, but if not then we need to take a serious look at going a new direction at QB.

What makes you think he will even be in the 2013 draft? I kind of doubt it, he would likely be better off staying for his senior year.

 

[thunderkyss]

Who's the next Matt Schaub?

Does anyone remember the "reasons" Schaub fell to the third round?

Whatever those reasons are, do you see any current college QB, that should be in the 2013 draft that might take a similar slip, or for whatever reason get a similar grade, yet be completely capable of playing at a high level & lead an NFL team?

 

[steelbtexan]

Who's the next Matt Schaub?

Does anyone remember the "reasons" Schaub fell to the third round?

Whatever those reasons are, do you see any current college QB, that should be in the 2013 draft that might take a similar slip, or for whatever reason get a similar grade, yet be completely capable of playing at a high level & lead an NFL team?

The TCU QB

Paschall (SP?)

 

[b0ng]

Who's the next Matt Schaub?

Does anyone remember the "reasons" Schaub fell to the third round?

Whatever those reasons are, do you see any current college QB, that should be in the 2013 draft that might take a similar slip, or for whatever reason get a similar grade, yet be completely capable of playing at a high level & lead an NFL team?

Schaub was known as The Duke of Dink at Virginia, a nickname coined by the fans. He also came out in the same year as a lot of other big time QBs (Rivers, Manning, Roethlisburger).

 

[beerlover]

1. Bray
2.Barkley
3. Wilson
4. Murray
5. L.Jones

My top 5

Landry Jones is on the fringe of the top 10.

Murray should go top 10, but will probably fall out of the top 10 due to being only 6'1. He would be a perfect fit in Gary's offense. He's smart, has a real good arm, with great accuracy and touch.

If Shaub gets hurt again this season, then QB should be the #1 priority. IMHO

Landry Jones has Matt Schaub written all over him, fringe top 10 for you maybe more like a very desirable option for Texans if they need replacement due to another injury or contract strife.

 

[Rock N Randy]

1. Matt Barkley, QB, USC (#1 overall) - been extremely successful all through high school and college football career. Very seasoned and a technician at his craft. Limited athletically and measurable wise but everything from the neck up is off the charts which is why he is number one until someone dethrones his top spot. Barkley can make throws right now that all the others can not.

2. Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas (top 5) - a lot will depend on Wilson's success this year and how new head coach John Smith puts Wilson in a position to succeed with the play calling. Remember Arkansas has a big horse coming back in Kniles Davis. That will hurt or help Wilson. Last year they relied a lot on Wilson's arm. Now that Davis is back.... Could cut back some of his numbers and productions.

3. Logan Thomas, QB, VaTech (top 10) - Potential is why Thomas is number 3. Almost number 2. 6'6ft 260lbs yeah dude is a DE at the QB position. Just a great athlete and can sling the pigskin. Has a lot to learn but a lot of similarities of Big Ben with Thomas.

 

[Rock N Randy]

Landry Jones has Matt Schaub written all over him, fringe top 10 for you maybe more like a very desirable option for Texans if they need replacement due to another injury or contract strife.

Landry, Bray, and Murray will all be lucky to go in round one.

Most likely they will go in round two or three

I bet two might even go round three.

If I were guessing man I would say...

Bray round two followed by Murray and Landry in round three.

Draft is stacked on the Oline, WR, and defensive side of the ball in the 2013 draft.

Not everyone needs a QB, and after the Top 3 QBs go. Thats where the drop off happens. Only one QB can play also unlike WR, LB, OL, DL. And so on...

To be honest Landry sucks. Everyone knows it. The talent is there. He has Blaine Gabbert syndrome for some reason and has bad feet and makes poor decisions.

I don't know why people and experts are still putting him into the 1st round category (2013 Mock Drafts) because he is evidently not worthy of a 1st round selection.

Landry Jones will be a bust. he has done nothing to separate himself since arriving at Norman, Oklahoma.

Murray and Bray I do like I think there is moxie and substance there. For them to be successful QBs in the NFL. They will need to go to the right situation and the right team with talent around them and have a good coaching staff. Landry.... Doesn't matter what team, how much talent. Dude will fold like a outdated lawn chair.

Barkley, Wilson, and Thomas are off the charts and I love everything about there game. Now and projecting. Plug and play, can succeed in almost any situation and with any team.

Landry is not like Matt Schaub. If I personally had to pick one, I would go with Tyler Wilson has similar traits and mechanics that resemble Matt Schaub.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Geno Smith QB West Virginia

 

[76Texan]

I've been watching an awful lot of Tyler Wilson.
I like him a lot.

In 2010, he had ZERO footwork.
I don't know if he's a little stiff or not; he's cerntainly athletic though.

He improved A LOT last year.

IMO, he and Barkley are 1. 2 in the next draft.

He played well under duress.
He has excellent arm strength; he can throw a transcontinental pass as you couldn't believe it.

If only his footwork can get better, he will be very scary.

Even though he had improved on it, at the moment it still holds him back from being a fantastic pro QB.

If he can improve his footwork to somewhere close to Barkley, IMO, he will supplant Barkley as the #1 QB in the next draft.

Of course, Barkley can improve in other area(s), too.

My money was on Barkley, but this guy may take the cake at the end of the day.

 

[badboy]

I think Geno Smith will throw up Keenum type stats but how high will he be drafted? I see him 2-3rd round now.

 

[76Texan]

I think Geno Smith will throw up Keenum type stats but how high will he be drafted? I see him 2-3rd round now.

Geno is another interesting prospect.
His overall game (mental and physical) indicates a very solid NFL prospect.
In Holgorson's spread/air raid system, Geno looks like a very good "system" QB.
He's extremely efficient.
To me, he looks like a better prospect than Osweiler or even Weeden.

Weeden has a whole more experience due to his "advanced" age while Geno Smith isn't a field general yet (but really, neither is Weeden).

Right now, for the most part, Geno is more like a well-oiled machine.
He can manipulate the safety(ies) occasionally but has yet to do it on a consistent basis.

Thing is, I look at him as being able to be an A student, but can he become an A+ student? That's the million-dollar question.

On a normal curve of progression, I think Geno Smith is a first rounder.
I like him better than Tannerhill as an NFL prospect, actually.

 

[beerlover]

Logan Thomas, VT reminds me of Cam Newton & with Cam's success his stock will surely elevate Thomas into top 10, consideration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiZim208nMg

 

[aussie_texan]

They clearly forgot about Tebow.

So given Schaubie is all contracted up and playing well, I'm of a mind to wonder what sort of trade value TJ might have, not that I don't love the guy, just when you consider what backup QB's get traded for and the contracts they sign, better to trade him than let the market dictate too high a value for him as an FA.

borrowed this from another thread.
Just wondering would you guys consider trading TJ for a 3rd round pick, and maybe taking a QB like Bray or Wilson in the first to groom, or any other QB you rate highly?

Considering the amount of possible picks we could have this draft throw in another 3rd we could end up with three 2nd round picks with trade ups, and it may seem that now is the best time to get a top QB to learn the ropes behind schaubs last few years, i.e. like rogers.

 

[steelbtexan]

borrowed this from another thread.
Just wondering would you guys consider trading TJ for a 3rd round pick, and maybe taking a QB like Bray or Wilson in the first to groom, or any other QB you rate highly?

Considering the amount of possible picks we could have this draft throw in another 3rd we could end up with three 2nd round picks with trade ups, and it may seem that now is the best time to get a top QB to learn the ropes behind schaubs last few years, i.e. like rogers.

If Patterson and Bray are there at the end of the 1st rd I would use my 1st pick on Patterson and then use my 2nd/3rd/5th pick to trade up and pick Bray.

I know these guys dont fill needs but they're special talents and talent trumps needs. IMHO (Patterson does fill a need, he's the #1 guy on my Texans board a track guy who's a football player 1st.)

 

[Wolf6151]

borrowed this from another thread.
Just wondering would you guys consider trading TJ for a 3rd round pick, and maybe taking a QB like Bray or Wilson in the first to groom, or any other QB you rate highly?

Considering the amount of possible picks we could have this draft throw in another 3rd we could end up with three 2nd round picks with trade ups, and it may seem that now is the best time to get a top QB to learn the ropes behind schaubs last few years, i.e. like rogers.

Would I consider trading TJ, hell yes, but I want more than a 3rd round pick for him. With so many teams desperate for QB talent, TJ is young, experienced, has size and arm strength, tutored by a so called QB guru, has won a playoff game, and has shown that he's willing to put in the work to get better. I'd want at least a mid 2nd and throw in a mid 3rd along with it. I don't remember what KC gave up for Cassel, or what Arizona gave up for Kolb but they were expensive. Its' yet to be seen but with so many expected comp. picks, trade picks from Tate, and/or trade picks from TJ we should have lots of picks available to us come draft time and I'd expect Rick to glue that phone to his ear and I'd have no problem if one of the really good QB prospects fell near us and we traded up to get him so that he could sit behind Schaub for a year or 2 and then take over. I expect Rick Smith will be an extremely busy man once this season is over and I expect him to be trading up getting us quality over quantity in the early rounds. He's going to be earning that pay check this offseason.

 

[thunderkyss]

Considering the amount of possible picks we could have this draft throw in another 3rd we could end up with three 2nd round picks with trade ups, and it may seem that now is the best time to get a top QB to learn the ropes behind schaubs last few years, i.e. like rogers.

Absolutely not. Tj is a bird in the hand, why gamble?

We've locked Schaub up for a little while. He's got at least 4 good years in him baring serious injury. What we're looking for in a back-up QB is someone who can run the offense & not lose games for us. Tj does that well & (as seen in Atlanta & vs Cincy) gives us a chance to win.

We're not looking for heir-apparent.

Besides, the NFL has a short memory. Had we tried to trade him last off-season he'd have competed with Matt Flynn & with the way that turned out, I don't know if "flashy back-up" is as hot a commodity any more.

 

[The Pencil Neck]

Besides, the NFL has a short memory. Had we tried to trade him last off-season he'd have competed with Matt Flynn & with the way that turned out, I don't know if "flashy back-up" is as hot a commodity any more.

There's always someone in the NFL looking for a quick-fix with a flashy back-up. Like you said, the NFL has a short memory.

 

[badboy]

borrowed this from another thread.
Just wondering would you guys consider trading TJ for a 3rd round pick, and maybe taking a QB like Bray or Wilson in the first to groom, or any other QB you rate highly?

Considering the amount of possible picks we could have this draft throw in another 3rd we could end up with three 2nd round picks with trade ups, and it may seem that now is the best time to get a top QB to learn the ropes behind schaubs last few years, i.e. like rogers.

Absolutley not as we know what we have with Yates. Now, if we are sitting at a pick next draft and a QB has fallen to us (for example my trades in to the second round thread) maybe. I just see QB as a strength we should not mess with. If Gary thinks Keenum could replace Yates 2013 that'd be different but we will never know.

 

[Dutchrudder]

borrowed this from another thread.
Just wondering would you guys consider trading TJ for a 3rd round pick, and maybe taking a QB like Bray or Wilson in the first to groom, or any other QB you rate highly?

Considering the amount of possible picks we could have this draft throw in another 3rd we could end up with three 2nd round picks with trade ups, and it may seem that now is the best time to get a top QB to learn the ropes behind schaubs last few years, i.e. like rogers.

Nope. Yates is a good backup on a 5th round deal for the next 2.5 years. He's exactly what we need at the position, some one cheap and capable. If anyone is getting traded, it should be Ben Tate. I'd be surprised to get more than a 4th for him at this point, but packaging him with a 3rd could net us a 2nd.

I would very much like us to use our late picks in packages to trade up into the 2nd and 3rd rounds if possible. I don't think this team needs 11 new rookies, and I would rather get 4-6 quality players and 1-2 JAGs, than 1-3 quality and 5-9 JAGs.

 

[Texan4Ever]

Some of these quarterbacks have struggled this season but looking at their careers holistically, here's how I would rank them:

1.) Matt Barkley

2.) Tyler Wilson

3.) Geno Smith

4.) Landry Jones

5.) *Tyler Bray

Dark horse: Collin Klein

 

[steelbtexan]

Barkley and Smith

Wilson has an outside shot and there's an outside shot of a team falling in love with Bray's arm. If I had a top 10 pick I would look at trading down. There's not that much difference between Smith/ Barkley and Bray/Jones. IMHO

 

[htownfan32]

Not sure anyone wants to take a chance on Collin Klein in early rounds. He seems like a Tebow clone to me, and with those funky mechanics... I'm not touching him with a ten foot pole. Recent history has taught us, thou shall not draft USC quarterbacks, and... Barkley seems headed the way of Sanchez and Leinart to me. I like Wilson (I think Arkansas' issues arise from coaching, not Wilson's play). Geno is going first round, but I have a feeling he's going to take time to develop into a good QB.

 

[Corrosion]

Logan Thomas, VT reminds me of Cam Newton & with Cam's success his stock will surely elevate Thomas into top 10, consideration.

Newton has put up some numbers .... but the real measure of a QB is W's. I cant really call Newton much of a success based upon that .... But you are probably right , there will be a team who see's the comparison and takes a shot early.

 

[Blake]

I'm going with Casey Pachall. TCU.

6'5", Texas bred QB. Playing in the Big12. Gotta love that.


Another dark horse. Logan Thomas. VT.

Dragging this old thread up since we were discussing Logan Thomas. After watching them both over the last 2 years I think I would still be more interested in getting Casey into camp as an UFA or even a 7th, and see if he can be developed. I do not think Thomas has what it takes to be an NFL QB, and if he is stuck in the mindset that he is a QB then he can be some other teams problem.

 

[TexansFTW]

It's always fun when people dig up super old threads and you can see just how wrong everyone was.

Thanks GP. Good post. I looked at a top 10 QB list for the 2013 draft. Tyler Wilson's name came up & he did catch my eye. Stats look good, but I want to watch him play before I make up my mind. 6'3" to me is on the low side of what I'd like to see as far as hight..... that's my personal preference.

At least you haven't deviated from your size stance and have always stood behind it, even though I completely disagree.

It's early though, and 2012 looks to be a terrible year for Arkansas, so maybe the Texans can get him with their 1st and not have to move at all. Hopefully that no talent overhyped QB at OU shoots up the boards for some unsuspecting team to take him.

terrible season was an understatement.

I ask, because we've seen it happen. Not just to QBs... worked out pretty good for us with Arian Foster. But most of the time, a poor showing their senior season, regardless the cause...... leads to a poor career.

Interesting observation. I'll have to look out for this more in the future. It seems to be holding true thus far.

With all the turmoil around the school, and WRs graduating, I think the program will take a step back this year. Each bolded team I would chalk up as a loss right now. That would make them 8-4 and probably Cotton Bowl bound or so. Throw in a flukey loss to Rutgers, one of the Mississippis or possibly A&M, and it looks bad on his resume.

You forgot UL Monroe

 

[leebigeztx]

So steelbluetexan wanted patterson end of 1st, then give up 3 oher picks for bray? Lol

 

[steelbtexan]

So steelbluetexan wanted patterson end of 1st, then give up 3 oher picks for bray? Lol

Yep

Patterson is beeter than Hopkins. IMHO

Bray would be my #1 QB in this draft. The guy has all of the ability in the world. Do you find it curious that Bray played better than Daniels (Even though Daniels was paid 2 mil in FA.) and appeared to have beaten out Daniels for QB2.

So far I stand by my eval. I don't care that Bray went UDFA. If he had signed with the Texans the Texans wouldn't be looking at drafting a QB or picking 1-1. IMHO

Carry on with your TB lovefest.

 

[steelbtexan]

So steelbluetexan wanted patterson end of 1st, then give up 3 oher picks for bray? Lol

Trading down has nothing to do with giving up picks. Please try to stay on point.

However I would've traded up for Bray. I think he's that good.

 

[thunderkyss]

Bray would be my #1 QB in this draft.

A little unrelated.... just to throw this out there concerning "size"

I would have an issue drafting Teddy Bridgewater at Tyler Bray's size

6'6" 215lbs..... lanky, probably won't be able to take a lot of hits at the NFL level. At 6'6" he should be in the 230-240 range.

 

[rmartin65]

Your infatuation with size is really weird.

 

[thunderkyss]

Your infatuation with size is really weird.

Well it's one of the things a player is graded on until we fall in love with him & want him at all costs with the #1 overall.

 

[rmartin65]

Well it's one of the things a player is graded on until we fall in love with him & want him at all costs with the #1 overall.

You are correct that it is ONE thing a prospect is graded on. But it is not the most important (to most, at least), and nor should 10-15 pounds (I can't remember your exact numbers) be the difference between you being upset with the pick or ecstatic with the pick.

 

[Playoffs]

Your infatuation with size is really weird.

Not uncommon even among NFL scouts/teams -- every year you see teams draft height/weight/speed where other teams don't have same guy on their board because of his tape/Senior Bowl practices/or the like. So he's not alone, but agree it can be hazardous to your wealth.

 

[beerlover]

In general teams have assigned their own specific measreables to each position, then evaluate how well they carry/move that weight/size/strength/speed. AT some point durability enters equation along with associated risks, so they must sign off if borderline size prospect is worth that risk for investment. Ideally high risk high reward checks off all the boxes except those you can't measure like passion for the game, heart, football intelligence (sorry wonderlic) intangibles.

Let's just use Manziel for example. Less than ideal size, but he can carry his weight w/elite mobility range. So his draft stock is based on the more difficult & elusive measurements, intangibles. Johnny possess rare leadership ability with swag (will turn off some teams/fans) Innate instincts to process time & space (pocket presence) elite, however how much does height/size play in his ability to make progressions while in the pocket, hence his propensity to escape & throw on the run. A team can succeed with Manziel using a system tailor made to utilize his strengths, not specific but somewhat based off initial prospect measureables.

 

[thunderkyss]

You are correct that it is ONE thing a prospect is graded on. But it is not the most important (to most, at least), and nor should 10-15 pounds (I can't remember your exact numbers) be the difference between you being upset with the pick or ecstatic with the pick.

I see.

Supposedly he played at 205 this past season. I don't think he was even 200lbs. Supposedly he lost weight when he had his jaw wired over the previous summer. I understand he was playing football & working out, but I don't think (& it's just me) that he would have had trouble gaining it back if his natural weight was in fact 205, 210.

So now he knows weight is an issue, he should be working really hard to get his weight up. If he's working his butt off & weighs in at 210lbs at the combine... well, his natural body weight is still below 210 & he'll probably mature into a 210, 215 lb frame.

If he weighs in at 215, then that means the "lost weight story" & "hard to gain weight while playing football" stories are more believable. He's probably closer to his natural weight & 6'3" 215 is a decent weight for a QB. Contrary to popular belief, these little guys don't put on much weight with an NFL S&C program.

 

[leebigeztx]

Yep

Patterson is beeter than Hopkins. IMHO

Bray would be my #1 QB in this draft. The guy has all of the ability in the world. Do you find it curious that Bray played better than Daniels (Even though Daniels was paid 2 mil in FA.) and appeared to have beaten out Daniels for QB2.

So far I stand by my eval. I don't care that Bray went UDFA. If he had signed with the Texans the Texans wouldn't be looking at drafting a QB or picking 1-1. IMHO

Carry on with your TB lovefest.

You don't go from #1 qb drafted to unfa in a yr. For the record, I liked bray as a 3rd rd guy last yr. From what my friends said,who are scouts is that he's football dumb and immature. For the most part,he had 2 1st rd wrs and was still very inconsistent.

Its ok to be wrong,we all are. Hell I thought the texans should've drafted geno smith. Geno was more cold than hot and now he's in a fight for his football life. I may be proven right or very wrong in the near future,but I'm not stubborn enough to try to convince myself I'm right.

Btw, this thread proves a lot in terms of qb eval. You keep saying wait till next yr,just like people kept saying wait till next yr. I'm going to say right now, next yr there will be 2 qbs with a high 1st rd grade and only 1 of which, winston, who will have a grade higher than bridgewater. Petty,hogan,mariotta will not once the scouts get into them. See David Fales,Matt Barkley,Landry Jones.

 

[rmartin65]

I see.

Supposedly he played at 205 this past season. I don't think he was even 200lbs. Supposedly he lost weight when he had his jaw wired over the previous summer. I understand he was playing football & working out, but I don't think (& it's just me) that he would have had trouble gaining it back if his natural weight was in fact 205, 210.

So now he knows weight is an issue, he should be working really hard to get his weight up. If he's working his butt off & weighs in at 210lbs at the combine... well, his natural body weight is still below 210 & he'll probably mature into a 210, 215 lb frame.

If he weighs in at 215, then that means the "lost weight story" & "hard to gain weight while playing football" stories are more believable. He's probably closer to his natural weight & 6'3" 215 is a decent weight for a QB. Contrary to popular belief, these little guys don't put on much weight with an NFL S&C program.

Why are 10-15 lbs the difference between fury and ecstasy? This post does not address that one iota.