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What is Watson's value in a trade?

nut

Veteran
Caserio has to be 100% in charge of the draft and in my opinion that is one of the reasons EB was not signed. I am putting a lot of nuts in front of the squirrels hoping that Nick is who I think he is.
What do you base that on?
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Maybe..I hope they don't get desperate . This years pick is the only guarantee of a top 5..2022 could be anywhere
True with the top five this year but I have seen Detroit with a top 3 next year if I remember correctly. There are so many trade proposals and NFL mocks flying around and changing almost daily with the DW official request. For a draft nut like me it is awesome
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
What do you base that on?
Because I'm the one that hand feeds the squirrels outside of my apartment. O on a second read I suppose you were talking about EB? It has been posted in head coach thread I think at least twice that Eric wanted 100% control of Everything. Very similar to You know who.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
If reports are true and Watson wants the Jets how would you guys feel about the following:

we trade Watson and Mercilus

we receive both ‘21 1st, 22 1st and 2nd and 23 1st plus Quinnen Williams
I would say thank you and turn the paperwork into the league office tonight before they change their minds.

Williams is a top DT and top 5 pick if he was coming out in this draft.

So you would have two tp 5's the 22nd the 34th and what would probably be a high 1st in the 2022 draft to go with what would be your own 1st rd high pick plus (Yes the Texans will suck next yr) you also would have your own very high 2nd rd pick.

You would have a chance with the NYJ picks and your picks to add 7 impact players and maybe more if you chose to trade down.

Say you draft Wilson at 2 this yr and draft 22/34. You've got your QB of the future. Then in 2022 you have say pick # 3 and Howell/Slovis/Rattler comes out (I'm forgetting another QB that's really a good prospect) how valuable would that pick be to trade down to say 7th? You could add another 3 really good players in a trade like that. So the 2021/2022 drafts could yield you up to 10 top 40 players counting Quinnen Williams in the 2 drafts and you would have your new franchise QB.

Would you do this deal? I mean even if you thought DW4's a generational player and didn't have to trade him, if you like Wilson with the current state of the franchise (No picks/Cap room) you almost would have to do this deal.

BTW, Williams is the perfect DT in Lovie's scheme. Think a better Tommie Harris.
 

nut

Veteran
Because I'm the one that hand feeds the squirrels outside of my apartment. O on a second read I suppose you were talking about EB? It has been posted in head coach thread I think at least twice that Eric wanted 100% control of Everything. Very similar to You know who.
Why did Caserio pick him?
 

otisbean

Veteran
Contributor's Club
I would say thank you and turn the paperwork into the league office tonight before they change their minds.

Williams is a top DT and top 5 pick if he was coming out in this draft.

So you would have two tp 5's the 22nd the 34th and what would probably be a high 1st in the 2022 draft to go with what would be your own 1st rd high pick plus (Yes the Texans will suck next yr) you also would have your own very high 2nd rd pick.

You would have a chance with the NYJ picks and your picks to add 7 impact players and maybe more if you chose to trade down.

Say you draft Wilson at 2 this yr and draft 22/34. You've got your QB of the future. Then in 2022 you have say pick # 3 and Howell/Slovis/Rattler comes out (I'm forgetting another QB that's really a good prospect) how valuable would that pick be to trade down to say 7th? You could add another 3 really good players in a trade like that. So the 2021/2022 drafts could yield you up to 10 top 40 players counting Quinnen Williams in the 2 drafts and you would have your new franchise QB.

Would you do this deal? I mean even if you thought DW4's a generational player and didn't have to trade him, if you like Wilson with the current state of the franchise (No picks/Cap room) you almost would have to do this deal.

BTW, Williams is the perfect DT in Lovie's scheme. Think a better Tommie Harris.
If the DW situation is truly unrepairable then this is the deal I’d make. I’d send JJ wherever he wants to go, I’m trading Duke and anyone else to acquire as many picks as possible. Total rebuild. The scary thing is you’re trading a Ferari for what’s behind door number 2. I havent watched Wilson play, I know he’s got a terrific arm but you know who else had a terrific arm? Jeff George, and if we trade DW for that I’d be pissed.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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If the DW situation is truly unrepairable then this is the deal I’d make. I’d send JJ wherever he wants to go, I’m trading Duke and anyone else to acquire as many picks as possible. Total rebuild. The scary thing is you’re trading a Ferari for what’s behind door number 2. I havent watched Wilson play, I know he’s got a terrific arm but you know who else had a terrific arm? Jeff George, and if we trade DW for that I’d be pissed.
There have been no reports that I know of that say Wilson has attitude issues. There were rumors about George's attitude before he was drafted.
 

gs27

Veteran
IMO a realistic trade would be Watson to the Jets for 2021 1st & 2nd, 2022 1st & 2nd, and Darnold thrown in.

Darnold has never lived up to expectations in college or NFL, but maybe coming in somewhere at rock bottom with no expectations will help cure whatever mental obstacles he has. It is an universal opinion by all the "experts" that the talent is there, he just can't get out of the way.

Would trade Jets #2 for kings ransom and load up on defense/o-line this year and next. Be patient, give Darnold 2 years, if he fails, draft a QB early in 2023 with a team full of talent on D and O-line. Don't want to put a rookie QB on top of our current dumpster fire.
 

Max

Veteran
IMO a realistic trade would be Watson to the Jets for 2021 1st & 2nd, 2022 1st & 2nd, and Darnold thrown in.

Darnold has never lived up to expectations in college or NFL, but maybe coming in somewhere at rock bottom with no expectations will help cure whatever mental obstacles he has. It is an universal opinion by all the "experts" that the talent is there, he just can't get out of the way.

Would trade Jets #2 for kings ransom and load up on defense/o-line this year and next. Be patient, give Darnold 2 years, if he fails, draft a QB early in 2023 with a team full of talent on D and O-line. Don't want to put a rookie QB on top of our current dumpster fire.
Liked because of where you're at on trade value - exactly where I'm at as well. But I'm using #2 on Wilson. The OLine isn't a dumpster fire and we're not throwing a rookie to the wolves behind it. Darnold can be a backup here but I'm not planning my future with him. Give me someone else preferably.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Caserio has to be 100% in charge of the draft and in my opinion that is one of the reasons EB was not signed. I am putting a lot of nuts in front of the squirrels hoping that Nick is who I think he is.
IMO EB was not signed because he is a WCO guy. The only offense Caserio knows is the Patriots offense. They were not compatible. And they already knew DW4 was adios.
 

Norg

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if we trade with the jets i really hope they go 0-16 has well that way our 2022 jets picks will be high

thats all we can look foward to this year lol

do we play the jets this year lol
 
IMO a realistic trade would be Watson to the Jets for 2021 1st & 2nd, 2022 1st & 2nd, and Darnold thrown in.

Darnold has never lived up to expectations in college or NFL, but maybe coming in somewhere at rock bottom with no expectations will help cure whatever mental obstacles he has. It is an universal opinion by all the "experts" that the talent is there, he just can't get out of the way.

Would trade Jets #2 for kings ransom and load up on defense/o-line this year and next. Be patient, give Darnold 2 years, if he fails, draft a QB early in 2023 with a team full of talent on D and O-line. Don't want to put a rookie QB on top of our current dumpster fire.
Keep Darnold, take Mercilus and his cap killing salary. If we are going to do this then lets build through the draft and not take someone else's throw away QB. That rarely works at all and never for the Texans.
 

Texansphan

All Pro
Just spotted an interesting scenario by McShay - Watson goes to Panthers in return for Panthers '21 1st and 2nd, '22 1st, Teddy Bridgewater plus S Jeremy Chin.
This way he is out of our conference as well.
This one has merit.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I would say thank you and turn the paperwork into the league office tonight before they change their minds.

Williams is a top DT and top 5 pick if he was coming out in this draft.

So you would have two tp 5's the 22nd the 34th and what would probably be a high 1st in the 2022 draft to go with what would be your own 1st rd high pick plus (Yes the Texans will suck next yr) you also would have your own very high 2nd rd pick.

You would have a chance with the NYJ picks and your picks to add 7 impact players and maybe more if you chose to trade down.

Say you draft Wilson at 2 this yr and draft 22/34. You've got your QB of the future. Then in 2022 you have say pick # 3 and Howell/Slovis/Rattler comes out (I'm forgetting another QB that's really a good prospect) how valuable would that pick be to trade down to say 7th? You could add another 3 really good players in a trade like that. So the 2021/2022 drafts could yield you up to 10 top 40 players counting Quinnen Williams in the 2 drafts and you would have your new franchise QB.

Would you do this deal? I mean even if you thought DW4's a generational player and didn't have to trade him, if you like Wilson with the current state of the franchise (No picks/Cap room) you almost would have to do this deal.

BTW, Williams is the perfect DT in Lovie's scheme. Think a better Tommie Harris.
This is my plan and where I see the Texans are headed. A draft like I have indicated would do much to mollify most Texans fans. Many of us recognize that DeShaun is generating his exit through his agent.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
I would say thank you and turn the paperwork into the league office tonight before they change their minds.

Williams is a top DT and top 5 pick if he was coming out in this draft.

So you would have two tp 5's the 22nd the 34th and what would probably be a high 1st in the 2022 draft to go with what would be your own 1st rd high pick plus (Yes the Texans will suck next yr) you also would have your own very high 2nd rd pick.

You would have a chance with the NYJ picks and your picks to add 7 impact players and maybe more if you chose to trade down.

Say you draft Wilson at 2 this yr and draft 22/34. You've got your QB of the future. Then in 2022 you have say pick # 3 and Howell/Slovis/Rattler comes out (I'm forgetting another QB that's really a good prospect) how valuable would that pick be to trade down to say 7th? You could add another 3 really good players in a trade like that. So the 2021/2022 drafts could yield you up to 10 top 40 players counting Quinnen Williams in the 2 drafts and you would have your new franchise QB.

Would you do this deal? I mean even if you thought DW4's a generational player and didn't have to trade him, if you like Wilson with the current state of the franchise (No picks/Cap room) you almost would have to do this deal.

BTW, Williams is the perfect DT in Lovie's scheme. Think a better Tommie Harris.
Needs to pass a physical, went on IR this year with a serious injury.
 

FireBOB

Waterboy
Just spotted an interesting scenario by McShay - Watson goes to Panthers in return for Panthers '21 1st and 2nd, '22 1st, Teddy Bridgewater plus S Jeremy Chin.
This way he is out of our conference as well.
This one has merit.
Other than the picks and the players, I love this trade.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
The 49ers is the only “instant contender” I see with Watson. Doesn’t make sense to me for him to force a trade to NYJets.
You seem to be solely focused on the football aspect of the trade. I think that is maybe 40% of why DeShaun wants to leave Houston.

On another note it was just reported in the last 30 minutes that head coach culley agreed to be the head coach as he knew DeShaun Watson was definitely staying in Houston. Also a message general manager Nick Caserio insists that Watson will be the Texans QB. Simple negotiating tool.
 

MeatBear77

Waterboy
You seem to be solely focused on the football aspect of the trade. I think that is maybe 40% of why DeShaun wants to leave Houston.

On another note it was just reported in the last 30 minutes that head coach culley agreed to be the head coach as he knew DeShaun Watson was definitely staying in Houston. Also a message general manager Nick Caserio insists that Watson will be the Texans QB. Simple negotiating tool.

looks like jokes on cully because watson can literally dog it out there on the field until texans give in n trade him

watson has all the levredge
 

Texazan

Our HOF 34
Liked because of where you're at on trade value - exactly where I'm at as well. But I'm using #2 on Wilson. The OLine isn't a dumpster fire and we're not throwing a rookie to the wolves behind it. Darnold can be a backup here but I'm not planning my future with him. Give me someone else preferably.
Wilson scares me. He certainly looks the part but he played cupcakes week in and week out this year but was just average in 2018 and 2019.

HOWEVER the bigger question would be is Pastor Master Jack ok with Mormons?
 

Texansphan

All Pro
Other than the picks and the players, I love this trade.
You aint ginna get a bunch of high first round picks - one, maybe two if you're lucky. The rest are gonna be mid to lower.
Jeremy Chin is a future pro bowler and Teddy B is serviceable - iow, we have an NFL ready QB.
 

Max

Veteran
Wilson scares me. He certainly looks the part but he played cupcakes week in and week out this year but was just average in 2018 and 2019.

HOWEVER the bigger question would be is Pastor Master Jack ok with Mormons?
Wilson showed growth and not a regression which is what you want to see.

I've taken my pokes at ownership for allowing Christianity to affect how they run the team and I believe that there's something to that, but I don't believe that it's going to affect player acquisition. I think it's going to be more about a character judgment than religious standard. That said, they've opened the door to skepticism regarding that and I don't think that they'll ever escape that perception of them.
 

FireBOB

Waterboy
You aint ginna get a bunch of high first round picks - one, maybe two if you're lucky. The rest are gonna be mid to lower.
Jeremy Chin is a future pro bowler and Teddy B is serviceable - iow, we have an NFL ready QB.
I'd rather take my chance at a QB with Miami or NYs first than teddy
 

Norg

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So they gonna pay him all that cheddar to sit on a bench? I don't thank so
yeah pretty much if we dont get equal trade value

he wont even be on the bench he will be at home or where ever he wants to be on a sunday morning obvs he does not want to be in Houston so why even have him in the building
 

chicagotexan2

Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I would say thank you and turn the paperwork into the league office tonight before they change their minds.

Williams is a top DT and top 5 pick if he was coming out in this draft.

So you would have two tp 5's the 22nd the 34th and what would probably be a high 1st in the 2022 draft to go with what would be your own 1st rd high pick plus (Yes the Texans will suck next yr) you also would have your own very high 2nd rd pick.

You would have a chance with the NYJ picks and your picks to add 7 impact players and maybe more if you chose to trade down.

Say you draft Wilson at 2 this yr and draft 22/34. You've got your QB of the future. Then in 2022 you have say pick # 3 and Howell/Slovis/Rattler comes out (I'm forgetting another QB that's really a good prospect) how valuable would that pick be to trade down to say 7th? You could add another 3 really good players in a trade like that. So the 2021/2022 drafts could yield you up to 10 top 40 players counting Quinnen Williams in the 2 drafts and you would have your new franchise QB.

Would you do this deal? I mean even if you thought DW4's a generational player and didn't have to trade him, if you like Wilson with the current state of the franchise (No picks/Cap room) you almost would have to do this deal.

BTW, Williams is the perfect DT in Lovie's scheme. Think a better Tommie Harris.
I would prefer to keep Watson but he doesn’t want to be here so if we trade him I hope this is the type of deal we get. My concern is what Caserio does with the picks especially if Osteensterby sticks his snout in the mix.
 

Texazan

Our HOF 34
I would say thank you and turn the paperwork into the league office tonight before they change their minds.

Williams is a top DT and top 5 pick if he was coming out in this draft.

So you would have two tp 5's the 22nd the 34th and what would probably be a high 1st in the 2022 draft to go with what would be your own 1st rd high pick plus (Yes the Texans will suck next yr) you also would have your own very high 2nd rd pick.

You would have a chance with the NYJ picks and your picks to add 7 impact players and maybe more if you chose to trade down.

Say you draft Wilson at 2 this yr and draft 22/34. You've got your QB of the future. Then in 2022 you have say pick # 3 and Howell/Slovis/Rattler comes out (I'm forgetting another QB that's really a good prospect) how valuable would that pick be to trade down to say 7th? You could add another 3 really good players in a trade like that. So the 2021/2022 drafts could yield you up to 10 top 40 players counting Quinnen Williams in the 2 drafts and you would have your new franchise QB.

Would you do this deal? I mean even if you thought DW4's a generational player and didn't have to trade him, if you like Wilson with the current state of the franchise (No picks/Cap room) you almost would have to do this deal.

BTW, Williams is the perfect DT in Lovie's scheme. Think a better Tommie Harris.
Got to give it to you. You're having a field day with this. Right in your wheelhouse regarding shipping out DW. :evilb:

Can't say I disagree though. I'd do it but can NC make something like this come together? As I said before Wilson looks the part but played no one this year and had been average in 18 and 19. I'd go with a 22" prospect.
 

Norg

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Dan Orlovsky: "I would take Daniel Jones, I would take Saquon Barkley and I would take three first-round picks, and call Houston"

since we are talking fantasy here i would love to have Rodgers or brady for 2 or 3 years ...it would be intresting to watch

or maybe we can get Andrew luck out of retirement could you image Luck in a texans Uni
 

Texazan

Our HOF 34
Would have to seriously consider this one
Problem is they only have one in 21' and one in 22" but if we did the deal before the draft they could give us the 1st for 23' also. That's not so sweet and of course Dan didnt check that first.
  • First round - 11th overall
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
Contributor's Club
Problem is they only have one in 21' and one in 22" but if we did the deal before the draft they could give us the 1st for 23' also. That's not so sweet and of course Dan didnt check that first.
  • First round - 11th overall
Yeah, that would just be the starting point
 

whodknee

Working Class Hero
I feel pretty sure the Agent Orchestrated this whole fiasco. He is working on BIG contracts for DW4 in a major market of which he gets a cut. NY would bring in a lot of marketing money...
 

FuzzyLogic

Mathematically Possible
Well if he waves his no trade clause for the Jets, you know it isn't about wanting to be on a winning organization.

Sure they went to the championship game a decade ago...

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But thats a long history of no Super Bowls... 52 years with no SB appearence folks, only surpassed by the Lions.

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if the Texans =

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The Jets =

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steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Got to give it to you. You're having a field day with this. Right in your wheelhouse regarding shipping out DW. :evilb:.



Can't say I disagree though. I'd do it but can NC make something like this come together? As I said before Wilson looks the part but played no one this year and had been average in 18 and 19. I'd go with a 22" prospect.
If NC's good at his job he can

Who knows how good he can be, but he's definitely got talent and Steve Young vouches for him. It's worthy of the 2nd pick. IMHO

What I like most about him is the mental toughness. He battled through injury and has come out as a guy that's worth the 2nd pick in the draft. In fact I may be the only guy out there that thinks he can be as good or better than Lawrence. They have similar skillsets.
 


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