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What did you think of Pep Hamilton's performance last year as OC?
- Thread starter Buckeye Homer
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
They talked him up.
We talked him up.
As if he was going to be innovative, multiple, & exploit our strengths.
Didn't happen. It was so bland... stale... & scared.
Good riddance.
We talked him up.
As if he was going to be innovative, multiple, & exploit our strengths.
Didn't happen. It was so bland... stale... & scared.
Good riddance.
banned1976
sleeper mode
There we several of us (you included - you wrote Pep was "peddling snake oil") that weren't buying into the Pep Hamilton hype.
I'm very happy Pep is gone.
banned1976
sleeper mode
sometexansfan
Blue Bomber
Considering the new OC, new system, and new weapons, maybe Mills can be much improved this season. Houston is going to need both Mills and Stroud.
Mills is always going to be limited, physically. He has the game of an old QB, without the moxie that comes from experience. Mills will always be a stiff athlete, and that is not going to help in this system. He would be better backing up Mac Jones in New England.
Would you say Stroud is limited athletically and if not why not?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Hamilton received what he earned after last season. I had hoped for better things but the “No Coast Offense” is not something I want to see on the Houston Texans again.
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sandman
Brexit Advisor
There is nothing in his two-year sample size at the highest collegiate level that says he has limited athleticism.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
It depends on how you’d like to define athletically. Like I mentioned in several post(s), I like Hooker and find he and Stroud to be very similar. Both are strong pocket passers who possess the ability to make defenses pay if the pocket breaks down and they’re forced to run. If you’re looking for a QB1 who can get you a 1,000 yards on the ground….then you may have a very limited QB, a QB that doesn’t read defenses quick enough, or a QB stuck with an offense that has no running game. More often than not….it doesn’t work out for that QB1.
BullRushTX
To'oTo'o A'go-go
Reminded me of the old Dom Capers day
Texian
Hall of Fame
I said at the time he was a journeyman coach, and that Hamilton would make the Texans and Mills miss Tim Kelly. And they did.
What are his athletic gifts. Posters said Mills didn't have any outstanding athletic gifts, which I agree with. So what are Stroud's outstanding athletic gifts?
What are his outstanding athletic gifts? In other words is he more athletically gifted than Mills?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Where is Mills athletically gifted so that we have a baseline measurement.
Has ran a 4.6 40 for a start. But this isn't meant to compare Stroud to Mills. Posters were comparing Mills to Schaub which was a bad comparison IMHO. So what makes Stroud more athletically than say Goff, Cousins, Geno etc ..
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Are we comparing Stroud’s CFB athletic skills to these other QB’s CFB athletic skills? It would be the only apples to apples comparison available at this time.
I’ll come back to this after he has an NFL season under his belt and video to digest. I’m also sure we’ll all be breaking down his in-game play as the season starts and progresses. I’ll try to remember to touch on his athleticism during each game.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Honestly, I don't care what my QB's 40 time or cone drill is.. Can he make the thows to win the game, that's all that matters.
Stroud is not a sprinter/runner. I'm good with that, I'll take accuracy/arm talent from that position every day of the week
Stroud is not a sprinter/runner. I'm good with that, I'll take accuracy/arm talent from that position every day of the week
I'm comparing his athletic ability to the QB's that he will be competing against in the NFL. Posters asked what athletic trait makes Mills special and now I'm asking what athletic trait makes Stroud special?
Since we're on that topic, were Brady to come out today would any think otherwise? There was nothing special about him. He looked like Tom Savage. Had all the tools, but nothing special.
What he did have you couldn't measure, not at the combine, not watching his tape. Not even talking to his coaches or team mates.
His teammates did know. It was the coaches that ignored him in college. He would come in and lead a comeback when the team was down. He did it several times.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I guess I am wondering what point is being made here? I don't recall anyone stating that Stroud's strength was his gifted athleticism that separated him from the rest of the draft class.
There you go, moving the goal posts again.
No. His arm was thought weak his first 3 or 4 years.
There are a LOT of NFL QB legends that weren't all that athletic. The #1 requirement is the ability to read defenses and make good, snap, decisions under pressure. Will CJ be able to do those things? We will see.
His ability to spot-place a football many yards down the field. He throws a beautiful ball with tremendous touch and has a penchant for putting it into very tight windows.
As far as running, cutting, and juking, he's probably just average in that regard for an NFL QB.
As with any NFL QB prospect, it's going to come down to his ability, or lack thereof, to read defenses and make good decisions with the ball while under pressure.
Buckeye homer answered the question.
It really wasn't a hard question for him to answer. I guess it was to difficult for you to answer.
Comeback wins and clutchness.
Buckeye Homer seems to be the only guy that is willing to give a straight up answer.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Those came later. If the 2000 Brady were to come out today, where would he be picked? Maybe undrafted?
We have no way of knowing if, where Brady would be picked.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Brady was clutch in college. He had to wait his turn, then started and then had to compete with Drew Henson. But check out his Michigan record and the comebacks. No one knew his true ceiling then and even if coming out today he would probably picked in the same area as he was in 2000 or even undrafted.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, The sought after criteria for a qb hasn’t changed much from 2000 when Brady was drafted..so he’d likely still be a 6th rounder.
where it would be different is Brady likely would’ve been released or traded to another team instead of a team being patient & developing him for a few years like Belichick did with him. That same situation that happened with him stepping in and effectively Wally Pip’ing Bledsoe…likely wouldn’t have happened with any other coach but Belichick…Franchises/HC/Fans just don’t have the patience to wait for a qb to develop these days & definitely wouldn’t have been with moving on from Drew for a 6th round game managing qb….which is what Brady was slightly more than in those early years.
where it would be different is Brady likely would’ve been released or traded to another team instead of a team being patient & developing him for a few years like Belichick did with him. That same situation that happened with him stepping in and effectively Wally Pip’ing Bledsoe…likely wouldn’t have happened with any other coach but Belichick…Franchises/HC/Fans just don’t have the patience to wait for a qb to develop these days & definitely wouldn’t have been with moving on from Drew for a 6th round game managing qb….which is what Brady was slightly more than in those early years.
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They didn't develop Brady for a few years. He became the starting QB the 3rd game of his second season and won a Super Bowl.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
He didn’t win the starting gig outright in 2001 & Had Bledsoe not gotten hurt, Brady’s likely not seeing the field at all that year. IOW’s Beli & co. didn’t think he was ready b/c & back then there was nothing to suggest he was going to be the heir apparent to Bledsoe or that he was pushing him for the starting gig. The fact that he got pressed into duty for 14 games & they wound up winning the SB that year is inconsequential & doesn’t change the fact that he was still being developed...thats no more apparent than his numbers back then & the fact that he came back in 2002 as the starter and they missed they playoffs.. He was just no where close to being the guy we would all come to know from about 2008 -2009 on back then. His development was a hybrid of clipboard & OJT from 2000 - 2004 as a game manager while the defense carried them.
He changed a bunch from that season & his 5th or 6th. He started leading in QB categories. He started throwing much better, arm looked stronger & he was throwing bombs.
He was a clutch game manager the first 5 years or so, then he became a franchise QB.