Like the gobs of successful slot receivers before him?
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Jack Burton
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Wes Welker 5’9”
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JWLCASPER
Waterboy
Man it has been a while since I broke out my Texans Talk Fingers.
Good to be back.
Cesario moved up before the Day 2 run on wide receivers. With the trade down with Philly, it was basically a net wash and we picked up a first round WR if not for the ACL injury. After his time in New England, we should know Cesario is very familiar with Alabama talent with the Saban/Belichick connection. I am a big fan of Metchie and feel his Ceiling and Floor is better than every other WR drafted tonight. Just one opinion, but I think Nick read the room brilliantly here and got the best talent outside of the big names that went round 1.
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Cesario moved up before the Day 2 run on wide receivers. With the trade down with Philly, it was basically a net wash and we picked up a first round WR if not for the ACL injury. After his time in New England, we should know Cesario is very familiar with Alabama talent with the Saban/Belichick connection. I am a big fan of Metchie and feel his Ceiling and Floor is better than every other WR drafted tonight. Just one opinion, but I think Nick read the room brilliantly here and got the best talent outside of the big names that went round 1.
Brisco_County
Texans worthy
I like those guys too. My favorite short WR is Steve Smith. If Metchie plays anything like him we got a steal.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Metchie wasn't going in the 1st rd under any point in my opinion
Jack Burton
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xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
The more I look at Metchie the more he reminds me of those patriot slot receivers...
To me, on film, he just looks solid upon first impression...He doesn't look extremely fast...doesn't look like he's going to make a bunch of people miss when he has the ball in the open field...
But he catches the ball well and his ability to get free off the line and his overall route running really stand out. I'm warming up to this pick more and more.
Casio Watch is doing his thing...
To me, on film, he just looks solid upon first impression...He doesn't look extremely fast...doesn't look like he's going to make a bunch of people miss when he has the ball in the open field...
But he catches the ball well and his ability to get free off the line and his overall route running really stand out. I'm warming up to this pick more and more.
Casio Watch is doing his thing...
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
Ruggs 1.12 Raiders 2020
98 Catches 1716 Yards 24 Touchdowns 3 Years
Waddle 1.6 Dolphins 2021
106 Catches 1999 Yards 17 Touchdowns 2.5 Years
Jeudy 1.15 Broncos 2021
159 Catches 2742 Yards 26 Touchdowns 3 Years
Smith 1.10 Eagles 2021
235 Catches 3965 Yards 46 Touchdowns 4 Years
Williams 1.12 Lions 2022
94 Catches 1838 Yards 18 Touchdowns 2 Years (3 but injuries equal to 2 years)
Metchie 2.44 Texans 2022
155 Catches 2081 Yards 14 Touchdowns 3 Years
Please explain how Metchie doesn’t fit the first round Alabama WR mold please. No way he falls outside of 32 picks if healthy. Injuries happen, but ACL injuries are not the same now as they were 10-15 years ago.
leebigeztx
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All those guys who you mentioned were 17yds per catch or above and 4.4 guys.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Don't forget he had Jameson Williams opposite him getting the most targets.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
When healthy Metchie ran between 4.45 and 4.5. He averaged 16.7 his sophomore year and 11.9 his junior year when Bryce Young averaged 8.8 per throw. Mac Jones averaged 11.0, and Tua averaged 10.9. If you watched a lot of Alabama games, Bryce Young did not have the deep ability this past year of his predecessors.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I see him as a solid round 2 only sorry
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
? I'm just saying I am not feeling the pick. And he is tiny. Pro system good thing, but the rest I don't like. My post was a simple list. The only pick I have not liked so far
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Williams didn't have more targets, he was just more explosive with his catches
leebigeztx
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How did Williams avg 19 ypc? I don't think he's going to be a bust, but the offense isn't going to be explosive at all. So everything will be compressed, roll coverage to Cooks and make someone win over the top. Not to mention, he's coming off an acl. To be fair, I wanted Williams with the 13th even with a acl because he's a td waiting to happen. Metchie is a possession wr imo and from what I seen. Even another guy coming off acl Pickens is more explosive. You need speed outside in this league unless you're going to try to small ball down the field.
By all means don't like the pick if that's how you feel, that's part of what draft day is all about. I'm just pointing out that the reasoning should matter and a sub 6 foot slot receiver ain't much of a reason.
leebigeztx
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Metchie had 13 more targets, 400 less yards, 18 more catches,and 9 less ypc.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
What makes this Alabama WR combo unique
John Metchie and Jameson Williams account for 71.2% of the yardage on passes thrown to the Alabama wideouts this season but it's the breakdown of those yards that stands out.
www.al.com
Don’t forget the OC of Bama this year. Our favorite BOb. Very defined roles for his receivers like Fuller/Hopkins. Hopkins was our chain mover and top target, but Fuller was always more explosive.
NOT saying Metchie is Hopkins, but I still hold firm no way he makes it out of the top 32 if the ACL injury didn’t happen.
leebigeztx
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Hopkins was 17 ypc in college. I have no problem with a possesion wr, they have value, but a injured one you moved up to get and with the players still available is a beyond curios to me. In NE, they had problems drafting wr's. I don't know who made those picks,but this picks kinda put it on display.What makes this Alabama WR combo unique
John Metchie and Jameson Williams account for 71.2% of the yardage on passes thrown to the Alabama wideouts this season but it's the breakdown of those yards that stands out.
Don’t forget the OC of Bama this year. Our favorite BOb. Very defined roles for his receivers like Fuller/Hopkins. Hopkins was our chain mover and top target, but Fuller was always more explosive.
NOT saying Metchie is Hopkins, but I still hold firm no way he makes it out of the top 32 if the ACL injury didn’t happen.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Metchie was very productive and that’s all that matters.
JWLCASPER
Waterboy
That is why I linked the article. It was “schemed” that way.
Metchie had that 17 YPC you are looking for in 2020. But in 2021 they (BOb and Bryce) neutered his ability with play calls and scheme.
Porky
Hall of Fame
My least favorite pick of the draft, especially in light of the draft capital. 6 picks for two “meh” receivers in the Caserio era. Makes zero sense, less then zero sense if that’s possible.
You took a huge and unnecessary risk st 3, then you give up your mid round picks to move up to take another injury risk for a guy that doesnt have a single special quality?
Are we sure Captain Jack isnt in charge?
You took a huge and unnecessary risk st 3, then you give up your mid round picks to move up to take another injury risk for a guy that doesnt have a single special quality?
Are we sure Captain Jack isnt in charge?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Made 0 sense to move up for Metchie. Pickens was there and if they stayed pat, they could've had Pickens or Pierce
zshawn10
All Pro
Plus a thousand yards YAC
zshawn10
All Pro
Pickens has big time character issues and was involved in a car accident not wearing a seatbelt before the draft
I like Metchie, very productive and the type of slot guy I would expect Caserio to pick,
With this said, I wish Caserio would stop picking guys coming off of serious injury. How is Metchie's rehab coming along?
With this said, I wish Caserio would stop picking guys coming off of serious injury. How is Metchie's rehab coming along?
zshawn10
All Pro
Should be recovered by July and ready for training camp
I'm in 100% agreement. It's the trade up that I dislike the most. If the guy doesn't make it to 68, there were other slots that would have been available there.
Yeah, but I wouldn't call O'Brien's a good pro style system.
Here's Lance Zierlein's write up on Metchie,
John Metchie III Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com
All Combine and Draft-Related Analysis, News, Video, and Biographical Information for John Metchie IIIwww.nfl.com
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I know he wasn't drafted, but let's not forget Randall Cobb. This franchise just don't know how to find slot receivers. Is David Anderson really the best slot in franchise history?
He's frkin Canadian!!!
Metchie was born in Taiwan -- his mother is Taiwanese and his father is from Nigeria.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
The most important value Metchie brings… getting open quickly. He is going to be a reliable safety outlet for Mills. How many games did the team play last season where they couldn’t cross the 50 yard line until the second half because they couldn’t sustain drives? Metchie gives them a reliabl option to move the chains and stay on the field longer.
I agree I would have waited until 68 but they moved up to get their guy right when the run on WRs started which means their guy (Metchie) likely would have been off the board and the same people complaining about the pick would be complaining about Caserio being “out maneuvered yet again!”
Caserio is picking his guys and maneuvering the draft pretty well. That’s all I ask for at this time. We can debate semantics but I like that he is aggressive to get the people he thinks are fits for this team.
I agree I would have waited until 68 but they moved up to get their guy right when the run on WRs started which means their guy (Metchie) likely would have been off the board and the same people complaining about the pick would be complaining about Caserio being “out maneuvered yet again!”
Caserio is picking his guys and maneuvering the draft pretty well. That’s all I ask for at this time. We can debate semantics but I like that he is aggressive to get the people he thinks are fits for this team.
Dejaview
All Pro
? We had 13 picks I think. We have chosen 5 and we have 5 left. Unless I’m using the wrong starting point we only gave up 3 picks net?
Maybe. If we ended up with Pickens or Sky I doubt anyone would have said anything. I don't think anyone was thinking Metchie
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
We have
Derek Stingley
Kenyon Green
Jalen Pitre
John Metchie
Christian Harris.
I believe we still have 6 left, but that will change as NC will try to move up for better prospects.
Nice that we still have chips to do that at this point.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Moving up for better prospects is the best thing to do with so much draft capital behind us.
I would have been disappointed if he just sat back with all those picks and did nothing. Getting those three extra picks for Green will reap dividends now. Will be interesting to see who he targets.
Dejaview
All Pro
Yeah I see Speedy was talking about two separate drafts. Texans board says five left but maybe something has changed. I hope it’s six.
Toro Bravo
Rookie
We started the draft with 10 picks after the trade with NE before the draft. I like all the picks but not the value, especially for Green and Metchie - I just think we could have done better. And we still need edge and RB.
I have no doubt that Nick will use the later round picks to move up to approximately 150. We will come out of the draft with 7 or 8 players.
I was hoping for a draft more like the Jets, who are nailing it.
Metchie was a low 1 grade before his injury on most draft boards.
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Jack Burton
Veteran
He’s ahead of schedule and will be ready for training camp.
Moot point now that we invested so much to get Metchie
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
They say that he should be able to return by June.............6 months post repair. I'd say that would be pushing things too fast...........that's when bad things happen.
Again, a WR post ACL where studies show an expected drop in performance and longevity.
I will post a scarier statistic about players and ACLs in the Injury Thread shortly.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Nick in the presser said dont listen to Metchie, he will play when ready. Was good to hear there is no push for the kid even though he says ready to go in July