badboy
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He did make a couple of good plays though.
Week 8 post game: Admit it, you knew it was going to turn out this way.
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Mr teX
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Adam Thielen is a senior citizen as far as the NFL goes & Thielen was routinely beating that dude. Young and the Panthers hadn’t had a pass play greater than 25 yards ALL SEASON…..until yesterday when Young connected with Thielen on 1.
Think about that.
On the one hand we've got guys saying the Texans played zone all day. On the other Tavier Thomas was matched up on Carolina's leading receiver...
Who is a senior citizen.
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There's Cover 3 playing the right way, with the boundary corners shadowing the most outside routes; and there's Cover 3 (which they played on that last series) where they all dropped back too deep from the start, leaving the second level wide open.
leebigeztx
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That gap is huge. They keep Beck in to help Fant mostly. If you're going to keep Fant out there and help him all game with a h-back in a team with limited explosive weapons, you're digging the grave.
leebigeztx
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Ryans pedigree is cover 3 no matter how you slice it. Now if the lbs and corners aren't tightening up those windows, then it looks soft. Same in SF,NyJ, Seattle. Those teams run alot of cover 3. What makes SF cover look better despite not having so called lock down corners are the lbs underneath closing windows.
This could be correct. As you know I'm not fond of Howard's play either.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
I'm talking about him getting snaps. When he's on the field helping Fant, that's 1 less player in the route.
Mr teX
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Thomas is one of those guys who doesn’t play to his measureables. Has good size and speed, but his technique is trash..so bad that he can’t play as a boundary cb even with his physical gifts. So They try to hide him as the nickel guy to match up physically with slower flex TE’s or to be able to out-physical slot WR’s & In doing that we’re supposed to not really lose anything in run support with him and his size near the LOS…& it allows Pitre to sort of fly around and make plays on the backside and not constantly be up in the box. but as you can see from yesterday, We started making plays & locking down the Panthers when Pitre was blitzing.
Aside from that, you can’t hide a bad cb these days..it’s too easy for offenses to move guys around to get a favorable match up…in this case, the panthers sought Thomas out & we’re moving Thielen onto or positioning him to flow into Thomas’s zone.
SnakeEyes
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CJ knows what's up! Open up the offense!
texanswire.usatoday.com
QB C.J. Stroud takes blame as Panthers deployed copycat defense to thwart Texans
Houston Texans quarterback C.J. Stroud shouldered the blame for the 15-13 loss to the Carolina Panthers in Week 8.
texanswire.usatoday.com
What do you think I was saying in the first place?
SnakeEyes
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Yes, but our pressure is not coming off the side of the line. Which creates the edge. We are taking our edge and pinching in the middle. It's great when you have either a QB who isn't very mobile or DBs (I'd rather see a LB) who can see a QB roll and instantly flip the hips and stay on him. It use to be "spying the QB" but with so many QBs running now, I would call it mirroring.
Stroud was complaining about the lack of explosive plays after the game.
Between that and all the runs and the way they targeted Schultz, I think we can tell what the game plan was; no?
badboy
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Beerlover just posted ST were solid. I point this out only as we all can see things differently. I happen to agree with @beerlover.
badboy
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Perhaps you answered your own question number one by saying the interception was the issue?
badboy
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I prefer using the run to set up the play but if you do not have a run you better go with what works. I prefer ribeye but I have hamburger. Guess what I'm having for dinner?
badboy
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And if it does not work after seven games do we keep running it?
badboy
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I agree that Titus Howard should be moved to right tackle. I wonder if Deculus could handle left guard?
badboy
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IIRC Thielen just returned from injury and is much better than Thomas. His being a vet helped him also. I am not saying that Thomas is a whole lot but I think he did have a couple good plays. We need to add to our defensive backs.
He only played RT in college.
But maybe he could do it. It would solve his problem of not being able to move his feet fast enough.
badboy
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Probably just me but I see Mingo as their best receiver sort of like our Nico Collins while Thielen is more like Robert Woods in my opinion.
badboy
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I was hoping that Charlie Heck could be either our right tackle or Right Guard due to his dad being a coach with my preference being at offensive guard because of his feet also. It just hasn't happened and with his injury looks like it will not.
YES!!!!! It's the only thing to do!!
It has to work eventually, if after 9,999 tries and you have not succeeded.... try try again because with every failure you are due that much more for success.
Correct that was the fist delay of game penalty called against the Texans this season.
As for the call itself, I thought it was a good one, they were late getting the play started.
I thought they should have called a time out because they seemed slow to get to the line and it was such a critical play, they could still run the clock to 0:01.
Taking that penalty there - by the coach or the QB was worst case scenario taking them out of FG range along with making that 3rd down extra difficult..
Might go back and rewatch it.
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beerlover
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Would like to know if someone has done to trend study? To see how teams start a season compared to bye week. Is it a people problem or organizational. Throw in other variables like, coming off win vs loss.
This felt like first game of the season. Delay of game/penalties, not making adjustments, losing takeaway battle, just a whole assortment of being off and slow all around instead of sharp. This despite a swarming defense and battle tested rookie QB.
This felt like first game of the season. Delay of game/penalties, not making adjustments, losing takeaway battle, just a whole assortment of being off and slow all around instead of sharp. This despite a swarming defense and battle tested rookie QB.
Beck was a TE in college.
I heard that. He said he wasn't making the plays he wants to make. He said Bobby is calling them.
Right. I can see the interception affecting the young QB. A good OC... who we were saying Slowick was, would try to encourage his QB to move on.
I didn't say "best" I said "leading." Semantics, but still, there is a difference.
I think it's odd that there are games where they would overcome gaffs like that. But this game... things seemed to snowball. One after another.
Bad juju
austins23
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Complete garbage by the NFL Officiating crew.
The same official made both of those calls! Fishy? It’s horrible that’s for sure
Porky
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100%. I hate to be the I told you so guy…but I told you so. They cut King and kept Thomas even though King is clearly the better slot. It didn’t make sense then…it doesn’t make sense now.
SnakeEyes
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I agree. I love the guy but either he isn't picking up the system or he just can't process what he needs to do fast enough. Tank, Boone and Singletary don't seem to be having that problem. I think DT is priority one, and then either a DB (depending on what the staff thinks about Stingley) and then RB. If they are going to ride with Stingley, draft a DT and then a RB. And see if any 1st or 2nd round graded CBs fall to the 3rd or if we can trade up to the 2nd and snag one. With the QBs expected to have as many as 6 in the 1st maybe a flier on 1 or 2 more. I think we should have a CB who falls from the 1st or is a high 2nd round guy we can move around and get.
SnakeEyes
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Wow I watched the whole game and didn't notice that until I watched that. If CJ had a delay called, no question Young also should have. I did notice a couple of no calls on some pass plays that were interface. 1 to Nico that typical hand fighting and then the DB clearly shoves Nico. Who took a step or so to the I think left before he straightened his route back to upfeild. That was on the say 3yrd over throw that Nico was wide open. Problem was he was knocked off his pattern (about 8 to 10yrds off the line) and had to adjust. Anything past 5yrds that is a clear push, and it was, is pass interface...correct?
Texansballer74
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That was some old wrinkles because before the concussion, he was running Tank on those jet sweeps. When Tank was out due to the concussion, he ran Hutchinson on those jet sweeps. LolIt seems the new “wrinkle” was running Dell on multiple occasions.
Mangler
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I’m not exactly shocked that the offensive line isn’t good at run blocking. It’s not like Slowik and Strausser drafted all the so called starters. The running backs also don’t seem to be a fit for the scheme Slowik is running. Pierce and Singletary seem to be more of a fit for a power blocking scheme. This next draft and FA should get us where we need to be! Or so I hope…
Teams are figuring out the schemes that propelled CJ's early success. While it's on the coaches to make adjustments, CJ also has plenty of room to grow. When things go off script and there's pressure, he's definitely looking like a rookie. I'm looking at this season as his opportunity to grow into the role. Hopefully next season they'll patch up the pieces around him and things will take off.
Do you think that Slowick did call for some long pass play downfield, based on what Stroud was saying?
LoL you don't hate to be an I told you so guy.
BTW,King got cut by the Steelers, so there's that
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I agree with you on the penalties, but many of the blocked passes were by players who couldn't get to the QB. One of the blocked passes was by a LB who has some hops. CJ had to throw that pass on a rope and the LB made a good play.
Now that teams have 7 weeks of film on CJ, it's up to Slo to change his game plans and play calling up. I noticed Sunday that CJ wasn't able to move safeties and LBs with his eyes as much as he had in previous weeks.
badboy
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And Slowik may have done just that.. doesn't mean CJ was able to move on.
badboy
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Yeah I got that after posting and then rereading your and my posts.
amazing80
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I felt CJ did more locking onto receivers this game than in previous games. Even with that, we had a few opportunities that he just missed. They happen but are rare. He is super accurate. I expect the offense to rebound this week.
badboy
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If we draft a wide receiver who can find the end zone that would put points on the board and decrease our red zone inability.
I am all for improving our run defense but usually we give up approximately 4 yd a run. A good wide receiver will gain 12 to 15 yards per reception. We just need to have those wide receivers scoring more frequently than we allow running backs to score touchdowns against us.
I don't think Slowick tells Stroud to throw it long, short, or in between. He gives him the plays, let Stroud read the defense & make good decisions.
I doubt he's got a playbook of 6-10 yard passes he breaks out when he wants to reel his QB in.
Why would he want to stymie Stroud? Is he in the dog house?
beerlover
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So is Robert Woods, and?
I'm rewatching the game right now, and you're 100% spot on with this.
Having watched that deep pass incompletion to Collins in the 1st quarter a half dozen times, that should've been DPI. The CB tripped Collins as he was looking for the ball. The Texans get called for DPI every time a bad pass forces the WR to run into the CB.
What is it going to take to get the NFL into the 21st century with its refereeing? The zebras decide way too many games.
What is it going to take to get the NFL into the 21st century with its refereeing? The zebras decide way too many games.
IMO Ryans had it right when he said 'We have to learn how to handle success'. The Texans made way too many mental mistakes. I think they bought into all the good press they have been getting.
I saw an HBO special with Belichick & Saban a few years ago where they were both saying how hard it is to keep a winning team focused. Even though they were only at 500 I think the Texans may have fallen into that trap.
I believe we will see a much more focused team next game. At least I really hope so.
I saw an HBO special with Belichick & Saban a few years ago where they were both saying how hard it is to keep a winning team focused. Even though they were only at 500 I think the Texans may have fallen into that trap.
I believe we will see a much more focused team next game. At least I really hope so.