MightyTExan said:
Very, very nice.
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TexansSeminole said:Ha, QB is not one of our weakest positions. That is for sure. Carr has more talent than all of our safeties combined. We don't have one linebacker with the talent that Carr has.
swtbound07 said:List of safeties more talented then david carr
CC Brown
Glenn Earl
List of linebackers more talented then carr
Morlon Greenwood
Wali Rainer
Demeco Ryans
Sam Cowart
Kenneth Pettway
List of people who are better than Carr on our roster
EVERYONE.
He is not the solution, he is the problem.
TexansSeminole said:That's fine that you beleive that, but like NFL Live crew you will be changing your tune by the end of the season.
NATHANHALE said:The problem only arises when Carrcome 'out of the wood work' to defend their 'boy done wrong' and simply do not respect another persons opinion on Carr if it does not agree with theirs.
swtbound07 said:No sir. I've been singing this little ditty for years now, and i've been getting the old chicago cubs refrain...
just WAIT till next year.
HOU-TEX said:My daughter thinks he's hot. Does that count?![]()
infantrycak said:Ummm, no. The problem arises when anyone from either extreme feels the need to interject another in a countless number of posts characterizing the majority of the MB, claiming martydom, characterizing anyone who believes differently as a homer or any similar all or nothing description of the topic of Carr.
swtbound07 said:List of safeties more talented then david carr
CC Brown
Glenn Earl
List of linebackers more talented then carr
Morlon Greenwood
Wali Rainer
Demeco Ryans
Sam Cowart
Kenneth Pettway
List of people who are better than Carr on our roster
EVERYONE.
He is not the solution, he is the problem.
NATHANHALE said:...a challenge--next time there is one of 'those' Carr threads, count the Carr posts vs the non-Carr posts--think you will find it titled a little one way. Also, see who brings up Carr first.
TwinSisters said:Yes it does. I think it has a lot to do with why he is the face of the franchise. How many NFL players have jersey's for sale that come in both regular and PINK!
He's the only one I have ever seen marketed that way. If Dave was as ugly as say Jeff George, he would have gotten the boot this year.
HOU-TEX said:Hmmm, so looks alone can get you somewhere. Well....I'm screwed!
I'm not sure there's been an uglier QB than Jim Plunkett, has there? (Can ya tell I'm trying to veer away from the Texan QB talk)![]()
U4ikrob said:Wow players that are injured and havent even played a down for the NFL or this team yet are some how more talented?? :boggle:
While I dont consider myself a CarrI would say there is more to recognize on the positive and negative sides to Carr's performance with this team so far. I'll just go on record as saying I disagree with yoru above PoV and leave it at that on your post.
For me - the Bottom line is - We can debate things till the end - But the results will come out on Carr in one form or another after this year. There are no more excuses for anyone to make including David. I for one think Carr will stand up to the scrutiny and produce this year like the player he should be had he been given a modest chance to succeed.
The question that comes to my mind after all of these many Carr comparison threads is
What will it take for folks to say he did allright? or He's worth being the QB of this team again? Will 6 wins, 8 wins, 10 wins do it or will he have to lead us to the playoffs with a completely new cast in order to get any respect from fans who think he was not worth the extension?
Runner said:Nice discussion topic. I'd say...hmmm. Probably safety, and I doubt we'd use a first round pick to address it. We could get a decent one in later rounds, if we didn't go the free agent route for a quick fix.
swtbound07 said:Absolutely nothing. To me the jury is already rendered its verdict. I'd honestly rather have kyle boller. He could go 3,000 yards and 30 tds and it wouldn't make a difference. He didn't deserve a year 5, and certainly is getting paid more than performance.
swtbound07 said:Absolutely nothing. To me the jury is already rendered its verdict. I'd honestly rather have kyle boller. He could go 3,000 yards and 30 tds and it wouldn't make a difference. He didn't deserve a year 5, and certainly is getting paid more than performance.
TexansSeminole said:Every single player in the NFL is getting paid more than there performance. What you dont understand is that its a business.
ledzeppelin269 said:I think considering his old coaches, if he can do 3,000 yards and 30 TDs and the team does well, he has redeemed himself.
swtbound07 said:He didn't deserve the chance....so anything he does with it is to me tainted.
ledzeppelin269 said:If someone offered you an extension for a few million would you take the high road and turn it down? Blame the organization. A lot of guys don't deserve the chance they're given...but it's useless to not give them some standard of redemption.
swtbound07 said:I do blame the organization for the resign...i don't blame Carr for taking it. Im just saying, Im done with Carr as the QB of the Texans, and don't really think he can change 4 years of sub-mediocrity with one good season. I still couldn't trust him after that...it would take years....years that this franchise just doesn't have.
swtbound07 said:I do blame the organization for the resign...i don't blame Carr for taking it. Im just saying, Im done with Carr as the QB of the Texans, and don't really think he can change 4 years of sub-mediocrity with one good season. I still couldn't trust him after that...it would take years....years that this franchise just doesn't have.
HOU-TEX said:Well obviously the whole Texans staff trusts him. Whether you trust him or not is irrelivant. On the other hand you are intitled an opinion if that's what it is.![]()
TwinSisters said:That's alright, I will lead you right back. There ain't nothing wrong with talking about the Texans' QB....
Both Plunkett and Pastorini came into the league at about the same time. Both were miserable and got hurt. Both started as rookies.
Ugly boy Plunkett was shipped off as a failure and a bust after his 4th year.
Ladies' Man Pastorini just needed a better coach, better offensive line, and a new system.
Sound familiar?
ledzeppelin269 said:What if he went to the Pro Bowl a few times and won the SB for us? All I'm saying is there must be some level where he redeems himself.
Vambo said:Is there something "statistical" that even slightly backs up this thinking that the SS or FS position is a big problem? (I mean, we lead the league in +45 yd completions against our defense or something.)
TexansSeminole said:I'm sayin, you just ruined a perfectly good thread, with your bad arguments, and just bad attitude about your team.
swtbound07 said:I answered the initial question the thread posed, then every subsequent response by me was directly related to a question/comment asked of me or directed to me. Im not flooding the board with Carr talk, but wherever I feel my opinion is applicable, I will state it. Im sorry if I spoiled your thread viewing experience, or your general state of optimism about your team. I will try not to let it happen again...but remember, for a discussion to happen TWO people (at least) have to participate..Im not out here debating myself.
swtbound07 said:The last staff that trusted him got fired en-masse recently. Yep..its just my opinion...but very relevant to a message board discussion where all we have is opinions.
HOU-TEX said:So you're blaming the firing of the old staff on DC? Did you go to or watch any games last year? Did you happen to notice what the offense looked like? The coaches got fired due to lack of production in every aspect of the team. Are you saying we should've fired DC instead of the staff?
swtbound07 said:In short, both of them should be gone. In answer to your question I've watched every game this franchise has ever played multiple times. The Offense looked the way it did because of Carr. You don't have to agree, but thats my assessment. I fear that Carr might actually end up getting Kubiak fired down the line as well...he is just that bad.
HOU-TEX said:This statement is absolutly asinine. Good luck
swtbound07 said:List of safeties more talented then david carr
CC Brown
Glenn Earl
List of linebackers more talented then carr
Morlon Greenwood
Wali Rainer
Demeco Ryans
Sam Cowart
Kenneth Pettway
List of people who are better than Carr on our roster
EVERYONE.
He is not the solution, he is the problem.
swtbound07 said:as·i·nine ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-nn)
adj.
Utterly stupid or silly: asinine behavior.
Of, relating to, or resembling an ass.
Kindly explain to me how blaming the performance of an offense on its quarterback (you know, the guy who touches the ball every play and is supposed to be the leader) is utterly stupid, or resembles an ass. You might disagree with me, doesn't make it asinine. I await your retraction and apology.
swtbound07 said:Kindly explain to me how blaming the performance of an offense on its quarterback (you know, the guy who touches the ball every play and is supposed to be the leader) is utterly stupid, or resembles an ass. You might disagree with me, doesn't make it asinine. I await your retraction and apology.
infantrycak said:I'd say acting like the performance of the O is always fully the responsibility of the QB is pretty silly. Football is the ultimate team sport and giving too much credit or too much blame to the QB is ignoring (willfully in this case to make one of the extreme arguments you so like to make) the realities of the game just as much or moreso than ignoring the faults of the QB among the causes for poor O performance.
infantrycak said:I'd say acting like the performance of the O is always fully the responsibility of the QB is pretty silly.
thetexanator said:Linebackers and Safeties
both are pretty weak
oline got some good depth this year
the wonger need food said:But did Carr show any signs of being an NFL QB last season? Even Archie Manning had his moments where he willed his team to wins. Carr has been a deer in headlights for 25+ games now.
Byshop said:I would think looking for a Troy Polamolu type
swtbound07 said:In short, both of them should be gone. In answer to your question I've watched every game this franchise has ever played multiple times. The Offense looked the way it did because of Carr. You don't have to agree, but thats my assessment. I fear that Carr might actually end up getting Kubiak fired down the line as well...he is just that bad.
the wonger need food said:But did Carr show any signs of being an NFL QB last season? Even Archie Manning had his moments where he willed his team to wins. Carr has been a deer in headlights for 25+ games now.
infantrycak said:Ibut IMO we still have little to no idea what he can be with a surrounding cast
the wonger need food said:Unless we know without a doubt that there is a solid player in the position, it's a weakness.
Insideop said:I don't agree with your assessment and obviously Kubiak doesn't either. He must have seen enough in Carr to believe he has what it takes to be a good NFL quarterback and tell McNair to extend his contract. If he didn't believe this, then I think we would be seeing VY, Leinert, or Cutler in a Texans uniform instead of Mario! JMHO!
NATHANHALE said:IMO, keeping Carr was in no way Kubiak's decision to make, though his hiring dictated his agreement to do so.
the wonger need food said:This statement could not be more true. To cut Carr loose after last season (along with firing Capers and Casserly) would be to admit complete and total failure as a franchise.