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Weakest Position?
- Thread starter TexansSeminole
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South Texan
Waterboy
We have SO many unknowns right now; how the vets will respond to the new coaching staff, how fast the rookies will come along, how effective will playing to win vs. playing to stay close work, etc., etc., etc.
At the moment, I would like to see some depth in the secondary in case of injury if for no other reason.
And if we happen on a Kicker with 99% accuracy from 70+ yards that might be nice too! Hopefully though, the kicker will be kicking mostly points after rather than long FG's.
At the moment, I would like to see some depth in the secondary in case of injury if for no other reason.
And if we happen on a Kicker with 99% accuracy from 70+ yards that might be nice too! Hopefully though, the kicker will be kicking mostly points after rather than long FG's.
U4ikrob
Guitar Junky
TexansSeminole said:
Nod - agree. We certainly need a good safety and think we will look to pick up one in the second or third round next year. I think RB will be addressed in either the third or fourth round depending on who is available at our spot. My top pick for next year would be another shut down corner in the 1st roudn to pair up with D-rob and help solidify our secondary & nickel packages.
My draft predictions for next year
cb-lb = indicated Looking 1st at a CB then a LB
[BPA picks of that position in order of priority]
1st - CB-LB
2nd - LB-CB-Safety
3rd - Safety-RB
4th - RB-WR
5th - LB-ST
6th - OL-ST
7th - DL-ST
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
TexansSeminole said:
1. Linebacker
2. Defensive end
3. DT
4. QB
5. Safety
6. Kicker
If there is a loooooad of safties and IF the line come around... I could see us wading in on a another young LB. If the Wade/Spencer experiment fails...LT.
If the Wade Spencer experiment fails and Carr gets Killed...QB.
the wonger need food
All Pro
How does Quarterback not make anyone's list? Has no one seen the play of Dave Carr the past season and a half???
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
Right now I don't know about what is the weakest position because there are so many unknowns. Like how the rookies will play and whatnot. However from where I stand I could go on what the biggest uncertaintaties are.
1) RB- DD's knees are not well right now. There is no indication that he will be well by the time the season starts or if it will be a chronic problem or if he can last. Behind him we have Morrency. Alot of people are convinced this guy is going to step it up a notch, I disagree. His lack of vision and balance is not something that can so easily be corrected neither is his running style which is something that Kubiak has commented on before. I don't think Morrency will fit the system and I don't think he will have much success here. Behind them are a few rookies who alot of people are getting their hopes up about and thinking T. Davis and P. Holmes. While it would be great if that happened at this point there is no way of knowing. So that leaves us with A. Smith as the starter and workhorse. While I think highly of Smith, I don't think he is the answer. So this is the biggest questionmark I.M.O.
Gee, now that I think about it, RB is the only real uncertainty on our team. I mean we know CC is a good safety with the potential to get better and Earl while not as good also has proven he can play in the league and has alot of room to grow. I agree we could upgrade this position in next years draft, but sitting here I don't see them being overwhelmed by the grind of the season.
@ CB I think D-Rob is solid and is basically the anchor in the secondary. While P-Buch hasn't played up to his potential and can be upgraded. He has put forth alot of effort this offseason and at the very worst would only be serviceable.
@ LB- I think that Greenwood and Orr have proven they can play well. We have alot of new LB's but as someone said with the front four providing much of the pressure our LB's don't have to be spectacular and with Ryans potential this could turn out to be a very solid group.
That's all I can think of right now.
1) RB- DD's knees are not well right now. There is no indication that he will be well by the time the season starts or if it will be a chronic problem or if he can last. Behind him we have Morrency. Alot of people are convinced this guy is going to step it up a notch, I disagree. His lack of vision and balance is not something that can so easily be corrected neither is his running style which is something that Kubiak has commented on before. I don't think Morrency will fit the system and I don't think he will have much success here. Behind them are a few rookies who alot of people are getting their hopes up about and thinking T. Davis and P. Holmes. While it would be great if that happened at this point there is no way of knowing. So that leaves us with A. Smith as the starter and workhorse. While I think highly of Smith, I don't think he is the answer. So this is the biggest questionmark I.M.O.
Gee, now that I think about it, RB is the only real uncertainty on our team. I mean we know CC is a good safety with the potential to get better and Earl while not as good also has proven he can play in the league and has alot of room to grow. I agree we could upgrade this position in next years draft, but sitting here I don't see them being overwhelmed by the grind of the season.
@ CB I think D-Rob is solid and is basically the anchor in the secondary. While P-Buch hasn't played up to his potential and can be upgraded. He has put forth alot of effort this offseason and at the very worst would only be serviceable.
@ LB- I think that Greenwood and Orr have proven they can play well. We have alot of new LB's but as someone said with the front four providing much of the pressure our LB's don't have to be spectacular and with Ryans potential this could turn out to be a very solid group.
That's all I can think of right now.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
If I were to make a prediction on next years first rd. pick I would think its BPA.
NoBullTexan
Waterboy
Weakest positions going in to this year has to be:
#1-MLB (Cowart and Rainer don't excite me.)
#2-FS ( C.C. Brown is a SS. Kevin Curtis might be OK, time will tell.)
#3-Depth at CB where Faggins tries, and pBurnt has so far dissappointed. Dunta really needs help. Can help be at hand in the form of Sanders, McKenzie
,or Walker?
There could be more depth on the OL, DT, &/or WR/TE. But these positions seem to be OK for another year at least.
#1-MLB (Cowart and Rainer don't excite me.)
#2-FS ( C.C. Brown is a SS. Kevin Curtis might be OK, time will tell.)
#3-Depth at CB where Faggins tries, and pBurnt has so far dissappointed. Dunta really needs help. Can help be at hand in the form of Sanders, McKenzie
,or Walker?
There could be more depth on the OL, DT, &/or WR/TE. But these positions seem to be OK for another year at least.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
NoBullTexan said:
This is pretty much my exact thinking, but maybe switch MLB and FS.
the wonger need food
All Pro
Luv_ya_blue said:
I feel your pain brother. It's like saying something bad about Elvis in Tennessee.
The people that aren't concerned about the most important position on the field, after seeing the last 25+ games, are experiencing some sort of disconnect from reality. This place feels like an Outer Limits episode at times.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
the wonger need food said:
No. None of us were watching DC the past couple of years.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Yeah Ive just wondering for a few weeks...and I know I'll be blasted....If you don't go the other way and have Hodgdon starting the season with Flanagan off the pine. Flanagan goes down...6-10 is gonna look aweful good. Wonder if Winston can snap the ball in a crisis ? And no I haven't forgot about Mac.Wolf said:
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
I'll say it.
Weakest positions in order
1) qb
2) qb
3) qb
Getting rid of David Carr should be the teams #1 priority...this whole experiment has been a terrible mistake. Trade him for a decent FS and kill 2 birds with one stone
Weakest positions in order
1) qb
2) qb
3) qb
Getting rid of David Carr should be the teams #1 priority...this whole experiment has been a terrible mistake. Trade him for a decent FS and kill 2 birds with one stone
"7. Gary Kubiak, Houston: The former Denver Broncos offensive coordinator faces some lofty expectations after replacing Dom Capers, because Texans owner Bob McNair and the fans are no longer satisfied with merely being in the NFL. Although top overall draft pick Mario Williams has the tall task of making people forget that the team passed on Bush, the focal point of scrutiny for Kubiak's rookie season will be the performance of David Carr."
This is from NFL.com where they rank how well the 10 new HC's will do this season. As you can see, they believe Carr's performance will affect Kubiak's rookie season. I know most fans believe we are set at QB this fall, but that still remains to be seen. IMO, it's ironic that most posters believe that Carr's on field results were the only ones affected by Capers and company, yet-as Kubiak stresses himself--'how Carr goes, the team goes.' Let's hope that accountability or lack there of does not translate into 'Chapter 5' of Carr still looking for his 'promise land.'
http://nfl.com/news/story/9560415
This is from NFL.com where they rank how well the 10 new HC's will do this season. As you can see, they believe Carr's performance will affect Kubiak's rookie season. I know most fans believe we are set at QB this fall, but that still remains to be seen. IMO, it's ironic that most posters believe that Carr's on field results were the only ones affected by Capers and company, yet-as Kubiak stresses himself--'how Carr goes, the team goes.' Let's hope that accountability or lack there of does not translate into 'Chapter 5' of Carr still looking for his 'promise land.'
http://nfl.com/news/story/9560415
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
tsip said:
Really, is it ironic or myopic (by you)? Can you name all the folks (heck even a few representing the majority) who believe Carr was adversely affected but the OL wasn't a victim of Pendry, the O wasn't a victim of Capers and Pendry, Fangio's D didn't suck, etc. I am sure there a couple of folks in any group this size who think Carr was the only one affected by bad coaching but it sure as hell isn't a majority of the MB.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
1st round
Linebacker Patrick Willis 6'2 230 lbs Ole Miss
2nd round
Safety Brandon Merriweather Miami
There should be a lot of UT fans here...
what do yall think of Tarrell Brown CB or Michael Griffin S
Linebacker Patrick Willis 6'2 230 lbs Ole Miss
2nd round
Safety Brandon Merriweather Miami
There should be a lot of UT fans here...
what do yall think of Tarrell Brown CB or Michael Griffin S
STEEL BLUE TEXANS
Hall of Fame
Sign me up on the Paul Posluszny bandwagon.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
threetoedpete said:
What the heck are you talking about? DE at #2? We are stacked with Mario, Kalu, Weaver who is a DE and was moved because of an abuncance, Peek, Babin. DT at #3? Robaire, TJ, Payne, Weaver, and some young guys we have for depth that im not going to look up right now. QB is your opinion, but a #3 QB shouldnt be an issue.
TwinSisters
Veteran
Tulip said:
Don't worry.
We drafted Owen Daniels.
infantrycak said:
I'm basing my opinion on the topic of this thread, and the fact that so many posters choose a position-other than QB-as positions that need major improvements. These posters see all kinds of short comings in these other players but not Carr. Why? If people can justify Carr's lack of results by 'things' that were not his fault, and believe his performance will be so much better this year, why don't they hold the same opinions for the other positions? Why do these players need to be upgraded and replaced and not 'cut the same slack' as Carr?
South Texan
Waterboy
Since day 1 Carr has had very limited time in the pocket, under abundance of reliable targets, and serious lack of coaching. In other words, we really don't know about him. The optimistic side of me would like to think that Kubiak's concentration on the QB spot, 2 good WR's and TE's that can catch the ball will bring him around.
If he gets decent protection in the pocket this year, and still doesn't perform, I agree he is out of excuses and a QB should be high on the list for next year.
At least with the new management this year, if he does shine they won't trade him off.
If he gets decent protection in the pocket this year, and still doesn't perform, I agree he is out of excuses and a QB should be high on the list for next year.
At least with the new management this year, if he does shine they won't trade him off.
"I am sure there a couple of folks in any group this size who think Carr was the only one affected by bad coaching but it sure as hell isn't a majority of the MB."
...only 4 posters on this thread mentioned Carr as a problem--you would probally have an easier time listing all the posters on this board who think Carr is a problem? No, this is not a 'certified' sampling, but it is a good start as to the 'majority thought' on this board. Hell, you probally don't think there are any Carr 'intimidators/crucifiers' on this board either!!
...only 4 posters on this thread mentioned Carr as a problem--you would probally have an easier time listing all the posters on this board who think Carr is a problem? No, this is not a 'certified' sampling, but it is a good start as to the 'majority thought' on this board. Hell, you probally don't think there are any Carr 'intimidators/crucifiers' on this board either!!
Coach C.
Veteran
I just want to tell everyone that CC Brown is performing quite well at FS. He is faster than Earl and is staying after practice to learn to play the ball better. He will suprise you. Also, castaway Michael Stone is quite fast and Lewis Sanders once he is healthy can play FS also and is pretty good at it since he is more of a corner anyway.
the wonger need food
All Pro
South Texan said:
If we really don't know about him 5 years into his career, how can it not be a concern? We're talking about a still unproven player at the most important position on the field. QB should be in everyone's top 3.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
tsip said:
Well I understand better where you are coming from now. I would say all the crud runs to the QB on O. Riley being stuck in and pulling Wand not only hurt Wand, it hurt Carr. Bradford continually being trotted into the game hurt not only Gaffney/Armstrong, it hurt Carr. Not having the TE's run legitimate routes down the seam hurt them, the WR's and Carr. I have said a couple times that there are going to be 1-3 players on each side of the ball that turn out to have a whole lot more talent than people are giving them credit for which will emerge with the new coaching--so basically that seems to be an agreement with your point.
tsip said:
IMO a lot of folks haven't chimed in on this thread because that horse has been beaten into glue in numerous other threads. There is a healthy split of folks on each extreme of the Carr issue around here--in other words no majority either way.
TwinSisters
Veteran
Runner said:
Ahh yes, good idea... it's about time to start a new Carr thread. Let's see if I can figure something out.
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
Don't do it man. Don't give in to temptation.TwinSisters said:
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
Runner said:
...so are you saying that Carr's name should not have been included on a thread that denotes 'weakest position?' I love this kind of thinking!!...about 80 posts and Carr's name gets mentioned about 5 times and you're losing it!!! In the future, posters should note in their threads that Carr is not to be brought up in their post...of course, this applies to the Carr
as well.
TwinSisters
Veteran
BAH! Come on. All the other cool kids are doing it. If we don't do it, we are not going to score with the ladies. Do you want to be a square coming home everyday to a lonely bare empty house, growing old and bitter with ESPN flashing images of Manning and Brady across your eyeballs every night before you nod off to sleep by yourself?
OR...
or do you want to do some Carr thread and have to tell all the hotties to wait until you are done working out the fundamental nuances of a partial side arm delivery in a West Coast offense before you move on to the next one?
eh?
That's what I thought... now let's do some Carr thread.
besides that I think I have an idea! Just need to do some looking first...
OR...
or do you want to do some Carr thread and have to tell all the hotties to wait until you are done working out the fundamental nuances of a partial side arm delivery in a West Coast offense before you move on to the next one?
eh?
That's what I thought... now let's do some Carr thread.
besides that I think I have an idea! Just need to do some looking first...
NATHANHALE said:...so are you saying that Carr's name should not have been included on a thread that denotes 'weakest position?' I love this kind of thinking!!...about 80 posts and Carr's name gets mentioned about 5 times and you're losing it!!! In the future, posters should note in their threads that Carr is not to be brought up in their post...of course, this applies to the Carr
My comment was a joke about how many threads turn into Carr only threads. If you care to look you'd find that I rarely participate in them, not only because I'm not a Carr homer or Carr basher, but also because they usually turn into arguments just like this one.
Mea culpa if I wasn't clear that I was being humorous.
U4ikrob
Guitar Junky
the wonger need food said:
Seen him play ?? - sure - all of us have that watched the games over the last few years. I also saw alot of mediocrity amongst teh players and staff, no dedication to staying with the scheme, line changes, blocking scheme changes, player changes, coaching changes etc all in the midst of Carr trying to improve and leading the team to a 7-9 finish in 04 which had more than a few games lost due to our defense being unable to hold any kind of lead.
Ive seen several coaches come in and evaluate Carr including our current head coach checking him out throughly and naming him the starter when he had the opportunity to bring in anyone he wanted and saying that a majority of the problem was not Carr.
Following that we also have a vet QB in Sage who by Eric Moulds account said - Hes a big QB with a gun for an arm who lead the Dolphins back from a 21-0 game to a win of 24-21 against the Bills. He also stated that Sage is a good QB and will push David in camp.
I see that as us having 2 average starting QB's who need a good QB/OC coach to develop with [which Carr never truly had in 4 years] to become better players and help develop the leadership needed to ru nthe offense and take the team to some wins. IMO see this as a concern, because they are both unproven in the system, but dont see that area as the Weakest position esp when it comes to depth coming into the season. With our concerns at RB, Secondary and the LB spots where we are dangerously thin when it comes to the depth chart - I see those as Pressing needs that will have to be addressed in the near future.
From Fox - http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67071&type=StrategyAndPersonnel
QUARTERBACK: Starter -- David Carr. Backups -- Sage Rosenfels, Quinton Porter.
The Texans spent part of the offseason determining what they would do with the quarterback position. Coach Gary Kubiak decided he wanted to stick with David Carr, and there will be no quarterback controversy heading into camp. Now, it's simply about Carr adjusting to the major changes being brought in during his fifth NFL season. It will be a critical year for Carr, who will be playing in a system that will complement his skills and under a true quarterbacks coach in Kubiak. Carr will throw on the run as much or more than any other quarterback in the league. Denver traditionally rolls out left and right. He has been one of the most durable quarterbacks the past four years, but the Texans have brought in a new backup in Sage Rosenfels. If Carr is allowed to stay on his feet more than in the past, he should have the best year of his career.
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
"or do you want to do some Carr thread and have to tell all the hotties to wait until you are done working out the fundamental nuances of a partial side arm delivery in a West Coast offense before you move on to the next one?"
Your writing and Dom Caper's coaching have a lot in common--you both are talking but not saying anything that makes sense. However, when it comes to getting from point A to point B, you are in a class by your self!! Anyway, who says what we say has to be understood by those who don't realize that what we said in the first place is not what we meant. Wow.I think I've got it now...bring on the hotties-keep the West Coast nuances for your self.
Your writing and Dom Caper's coaching have a lot in common--you both are talking but not saying anything that makes sense. However, when it comes to getting from point A to point B, you are in a class by your self!! Anyway, who says what we say has to be understood by those who don't realize that what we said in the first place is not what we meant. Wow.I think I've got it now...bring on the hotties-keep the West Coast nuances for your self.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
Runner said:
Here ya go.
Brandon420tx
Flounder
tsip said:
Hey back off of me, I answered the question, the most pressing need we'll have going into next year will be the
You don't like it you can eat my
!! 
powerfuldragon
Enchilada Aficionado.
Brandon420tx said:Hey back off of me, I answered the question, the most pressing need we'll have going into next year will be the
You have a penguin?!
Brandon420tx
Flounder
A hypothetical one.PowerfulDragon said:
Brandon420tx
Flounder
Runner said:
Click more on the the bottom of the smileys (Yea, the link does take you to a reply box if you copy and paste it lol)
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
"My comment was a joke about how many threads turn into Carr only threads"
Unlike the countless threads that start off on one topic and then become a 'Carr only thread' unrelated to the original thread, this thread begins with "weakest position.' Certainly, Carr plays a position on this team, and I believe this is our 'weakest position.' The problem only arises when Carr come 'out of the wood work' to defend their 'boy done wrong' and simply do not respect another persons opinion on Carr if it does not agree with theirs. No other player on this team (probally any other board) has more excuses made for their performance on a daily basis than Carr. Let's hope and pray this sad situation ends this year...think of the bandwith we could save on this board if we could package all these excuses we all know by heart into an abbreviation or symbol, instead of listing each one every time...
Unlike the countless threads that start off on one topic and then become a 'Carr only thread' unrelated to the original thread, this thread begins with "weakest position.' Certainly, Carr plays a position on this team, and I believe this is our 'weakest position.' The problem only arises when Carr
come 'out of the wood work' to defend their 'boy done wrong' and simply do not respect another persons opinion on Carr if it does not agree with theirs. No other player on this team (probally any other board) has more excuses made for their performance on a daily basis than Carr. Let's hope and pray this sad situation ends this year...think of the bandwith we could save on this board if we could package all these excuses we all know by heart into an abbreviation or symbol, instead of listing each one every time...
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Ha, QB is not one of our weakest positions. That is for sure. Carr has more talent than all of our safeties combined. We don't have one linebacker with the talent that Carr has.
MightyTExan
It's go time!
Runner said:
