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Watson & Tunsil Contracts

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
How they made that work is simple.

I don't think his agent did a very good job at all , unless they were purposely giving the team a break - leaving money on the table to bring in more talent around him.

He wont see those $60m seasons before his deal is reworked ...
Yeah, I'd have to agree here which is bothersome if you aren't a Chiefs fan. I was hoping that his contract would blow their cap space up. This is actually very disappointing.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Bro I’ve been stop entertaining that dude. Watson is darn good and he will get paid.
Yes, but how much? Where do we cap it at?

@Corrosion broke down these numbers earlier for Mahomes new contract.

"He was given $10m up front which is prorated over the next two seasons making his $5.3m cap hit for 2020 $10.3m and his ~$17m cap hit for 2021 22m .... then the new contract starts in 2022 with a cap hit of $29m in the first year.
It doesn't get costly for the Chiefs until the 2023 season which is at $40m."

How do you think we get Watson to do something similar with his and how should we structure it?
 

Texansballer74

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Yes, but how much? Where do we cap it at?

@Corrosion broke down these numbers earlier for Mahomes new contract.

"He was given $10m up front which is prorated over the next two seasons making his $5.3m cap hit for 2020 $10.3m and his ~$17m cap hit for 2021 22m .... then the new contract starts in 2022 with a cap hit of $29m in the first year.
It doesn't get costly for the Chiefs until the 2023 season which is at $40m."

How do you think we get Watson to do something similar with his and how should we structure it?
I believe they will probably follow the same format but with a much shorter contract extension. Rumor right now is 3 years in which will probably start in 2022 or 2023.
 

KarlK

Waterboy
That would make it seem like he can't be and that it's his fault. He could be if his coach and GM were better.
Correct. Watson can't be as good as Mahomes, because he nearly as skilled or as talented at football as Mahomes is. It doesn't matter who Watson's coach or GM is.

That doesn't mean Watson can't be a good QB in this league for many years to come. You all wan't so badly for Watson to be some elite once in a generation player, and he's just not. Nor does he need to be for this team to be successful. All these unrealistic expectations and baseless hyperbole are on you delusional homer fans.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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That is something similar that I could hope for in order to keep Watson and have a favorable salary cap to work with as well.

If the Texans could get Watson for similar cap hits over the next three years , I don't think any of us would be complaining ... and that probably goes for those who don't particularly like him too , we all know we aren't getting a similarly talented player in here in the next 2-3 years.

We'll never have the kinda luck Packers and Colts fans have had going from Favre to Rodgers and Peyton to Luck.
Houston sports luck , we'd go from Watson to the next 7 incarnations of Ryan Leaf or worse , 7 versions of mediocrity so you can't even get a top pick.
 

OptimisticTexan

Go Texans!!!
Correct. Watson can't be as good as Mahomes, because he nearly as skilled or as talented at football as Mahomes is. It doesn't matter who Watson's coach or GM is.

That doesn't mean Watson can't be a good QB in this league for many years to come. You all wan't so badly for Watson to be some elite once in a generation player, and he's just not. Nor does he need to be for this team to be successful. All these unrealistic expectations and baseless hyperbole are on you delusional homer fans.
Watson will deliver the desired results when the Texans can assemble the rest of the pieces to their puzzle. GM, HC and his staff are pieces as well. Mahomes was "snatched up" by the right organization at the right time. Brady "landed" with the right organization at the right time.

KarlK.....Watson has had 38 starts and in those 38 starts, sell this board on the assets Watson and the Texans had? You're on the clock, if you want to be.
 

OptimisticTexan

Go Texans!!!
$5M, $24M, $31M

I think that’s pretty expensive. Going rate & all that, but...

looking at sportrac they can cut him free & clear after the 2024 season.
Watson is slated to make 4.408M dollars this season. That entire amount also represents the cap hit. His 2021 option would cost the Texans 17.540M with a matching hit on the cap.

2020: 4,408,217 + 7,000,000 (Signing Bonus 1)
2021: 17,504,000 + 3,000,000 (Signing Bonus 2)
2022: 25,000,000
2023: 30,000,000
2024: 35,000,000
2025: UFA

Mahomes' 40M per season wouldn't arrive until 2025....which would be the same season Watson would technically become an UFA once again and just shy of his 30th birthday (14 Sept 95). Watson wants a 3 year deal and more than likely he's going to want it guaranteed b/c of the length. This contract will be hard numbers with no wiggle room. Texans might get away with a guaranteed 3 year 100M dollar deal. It could be the only way to keep 40M per season off the table. Like Mahomes, I'd give Watson a 10M signing bonus as well and pay it out over 2 installments.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
$5M, $24M, $31M

I think that’s pretty expensive. Going rate & all that, but...


looking at sportrac they can cut him free & clear after the 2024 season.

From what I saw of Mahomes cap hits , its 10 , 22 and 29 over the next 3 years.

The signing bonus money is prorated over the last two years of the rookie deal that would have been 5 and 17 in 2020 and 2021 and it isn't until 2023 that he has a cap figure that's remotely problematic and even that figure is in line with the other top QB's.

Those figures are pretty team friendly relative to other top tier QB's over the next 3 seasons.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Watson Now: 2020 $4.5 m 2021 5th year 17.5. Which are about same numbers some are talking about under an Extension. As Mahomes and perhaps Cowboy Dak will have huge contract years 2022 and 2023 what would tag amounts be for Dashaun? Isn't tag avg of 5 top QBs? Would he be willing to take Tag those two years allowing him to be in stronger negotiation position? That would be only a four year period rather than the 5 if he agrees to three year extension and he could enter 2024 with more info on how salary cap looks post Covid 19.



Think of the QBs that will be looking for increases in 2024.
 

thunderkyss

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2020: 4,408,217 + 7,000,000 (Signing Bonus 1)
2021: 17,504,000 + 3,000,000 (Signing Bonus 2)
I think the signing bonus has to be spread out evenly, 5 years at most. You can’t do 7 one year 3 the next & be done with it.

If that is what you want to do, you’d have to use roster bonuses which changes the way the money is paid out.

The signing bonus money is prorated over the last two years of the rookie deal that would have been 5 and 17 in 2020 and 2021
looks to me like Mahomes contract was different from Watson’s with an $885K base & $2.5M bonus.

looks like they spread the new $10M bonus over 5 years.

Those figures are pretty team friendly relative to other top tier QB's over the next 3 seasons.
True, still $24M & $31M is a big chunk of the cap. At $240M cap, year two is 10% of the cap.

is the salary cap $240M?
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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True, still $24M & $31M is a big chunk of the cap. At $240M cap, year two is 10% of the cap.

is the salary cap $240M?
Look at the numbers of some of the other top paid guys at the position - They are all well north of these figures currently - Not three years from now.

Here's the top 10 for this coming season -

  • 1. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
  • 2. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger: $34 million
  • 3.Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
  • 3. Rams QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million
  • 5. Eagles QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
  • 6. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million
  • 7. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $28 million
  • 8. Colts QB Jacoby Brissett: $27.98 million
  • 9. 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5 million
  • 10. Lions QB Matthew Stafford: $27 million
Now tell me you wouldn't be content with cap hit of 10 , 22 and 29 over the next three years.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Look at the numbers of some of the other top paid guys at the position - They are all well north of these figures currently - Not three years from now.

Here's the top 10 for this coming season -

  • 1. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
  • 2. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger: $34 million
  • 3.Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
  • 3. Rams QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million
  • 5. Eagles QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
  • 6. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million
  • 7. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $28 million
  • 8. Colts QB Jacoby Brissett: $27.98 million
  • 9. 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5 million
  • 10. Lions QB Matthew Stafford: $27 million
Now tell me you wouldn't be content with cap hit of 10 , 22 and 29 over the next three years.
Yeah, this is completely unfair.

I don't even see why they are allowed to get away with this.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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Yeah, this is completely unfair.

I don't even see why they are allowed to get away with this.
I don't see it so much as unfair ... but stupid , especially paying unproven or lower tier QB's so much.
Wentz , Goff and Brissett being in the top ten and even Teddy Bridgewater is 24m+ this season.
 

JB

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Look at the numbers of some of the other top paid guys at the position - They are all well north of these figures currently - Not three years from now.

Here's the top 10 for this coming season -

  • 1. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
  • 2. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger: $34 million
  • 3.Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
  • 3. Rams QB Jared Goff: $33.5 million
  • 5. Eagles QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
  • 6. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million
  • 7. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $28 million
  • 8. Colts QB Jacoby Brissett: $27.98 million
  • 9. 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5 million
  • 10. Lions QB Matthew Stafford: $27 million
Now tell me you wouldn't be content with cap hit of 10 , 22 and 29 over the next three years.
Where do these figures come from? They don't seem to jive with either OTC or Spotrac
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
I don't see it so much as unfair ... but stupid , especially paying unproven or lower tier QB's so much.
Wentz , Goff and Brissett being in the top ten and even Teddy Bridgewater is 24m+ this season.
I was being facetious.

I was just really hopeful that Mahomes would end up with a $35M per year contract with his talent level. That team has so many weapons all over the place, so I'd like to see some holes pop up at some key positions soon. I hope to at least.
 

mws

Waterboy
From spotrac.com

Patrick Mahomes signed a 10 year, $450,000,000 contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $141,481,905 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $45,000,000. In 2020, Mahomes will earn a base salary of $825,000 and a signing bonus of $10,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $5,346,508 and a dead cap value of $64,953,413.

2020 Cap Hit $5,346,508---Dead Cap $64,953,413
2021 Cap Hit $24,806,905--Dead Cap $59,606,905
2022 Cap Hit $31,450,000--Dead Cap $34,900,000
2023 Cap Hit $42,450,000--Dead Cap $4,000,000
2024 Cap Hit $39,950,000--Dead Cap $2,000,000
2025 Cap Hit $41,950,000--Dead Cap $0
2026 Cap Hit $41,950,000--Dead Cap $0
2027 Cap Hit $59,950,000--Dead Cap $0
2028 Cap Hit $44,450,000--Dead Cap $0
2029 Cap Hit $44,950,000--Dead Cap $0
2030 Cap Hit $50,450,000--Dead Cap $0
2031 Cap Hit $52,450,000--Dead Cap $0
 

OptimisticTexan

Go Texans!!!
I was being facetious.

I was just really hopeful that Mahomes would end up with a $35M per year contract with his talent level. That team has so many weapons all over the place, so I'd like to see some holes pop up at some key positions soon. I hope to at least.
I was listening to a Mahomes interview on the radio and his point in regards to the structure.....it offers him and the team plenty of wiggle room to re-work a paticular season to help keep the team relevant around him. I really enjoyed hearing this since it was apparent that it's all about winning for Mahomes.......like Mr Brady.
 

MightyTExan

It's go time!
Correct. Watson can't be as good as Mahomes, because he nearly as skilled or as talented at football as Mahomes is. It doesn't matter who Watson's coach or GM is.

That doesn't mean Watson can't be a good QB in this league for many years to come. You all wan't so badly for Watson to be some elite once in a generation player, and he's just not. Nor does he need to be for this team to be successful. All these unrealistic expectations and baseless hyperbole are on you delusional homer fans.


EDIT: If that video isn't an example of once in generation talent, I don't what is.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
I was listening to a Mahomes interview on the radio and his point in regards to the structure.....it offers him and the team plenty of wiggle room to re-work a paticular season to help keep the team relevant around him. I really enjoyed hearing this since it was apparent that it's all about winning for Mahomes.......like Mr Brady.
You enjoyed hearing this?

You are a Chiefs fan? Why would you like to hear this?
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame

EDIT: If that video isn't an example of once in generation talent, I don't what is.
Spot on here. He’s indeed a beast. Yes he has areas in his game that need ironing out. That will come in time because the kid is a student of the game and he’s hungry for success.

But be advised his quarterback is Derek Carr. Even though I like Carr but I can see why he’s on here trashing our QB. Misery loves _________
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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You enjoyed hearing this?

You are a Chiefs fan? Why would you like to hear this?
I'm not a Chiefs fan .... not by any stretch of the imagination , but it's hard not to be envious of their situation.
They have a great coach / OC and arguably the best QB in the game.

Texans fans have a terrible coach / OC and really don't know what they have at QB - a great QB or an average one who makes a few plays off script ?
 

Texecutioner

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I'm not a Chiefs fan .... not by any stretch of the imagination , but it's hard not to be envious of their situation.
They have a great coach / OC and arguably the best QB in the game.

Texans fans have a terrible coach / OC and really don't know what they have at QB - a great QB or an average one who makes a few plays off script ?
I don't like the Chiefs or Mahomes.

They have a loaded team, and have destroyed the Houston Texans franchise badly.

No way am I happy for them.
 

OptimisticTexan

Go Texans!!!
You enjoyed hearing this?

You are a Chiefs fan? Why would you like to hear this?
I'm a fan....and I've always liked when a player puts the teams overall success first. What they may lose in the contract will more than be made up through other financial avenues such as, endorsements, business ownership, etc. Just put winning first and the rest will fall into place.
 

Texecutioner

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I'm a fan....and I've always liked when a player puts the teams overall success first. What they may lose in the contract will more than be made up through other financial avenues such as, endorsements, business ownership, etc. Just put winning first and the rest will fall into place.
You are a guy that doesn't want political crap thrown all over the league though, and Pat Mahomes is now one of those guys who majorly does that now. It was reported that once the league saw that Mahomes was part of that commercial that the players made themselves that they decided to get involved with all of those political stuff that the NFL claimed they were against doing the past 4 years. Mahomes is now a big part of the problem that will make the league controversial. My guess is that you haven't heard that yet. That's why my attitude towards Mahomes has changed. I liked him before all of this.
 

steelbtexan

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You are a guy that doesn't want political crap thrown all over the league though, and Pat Mahomes is now one of those guys who majorly does that now. It was reported that once the league saw that Mahomes was part of that commercial that the players made themselves that they decided to get involved with all of those political stuff that the NFL claimed they were against doing the past 4 years. Mahomes is now a big part of the problem that will make the league controversial. My guess is that you haven't heard that yet. That's why my attitude towards Mahomes has changed. I liked him before all of this.
I still like Mahomes the player.
 
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Lucky

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Lunch is the GM and he makes the personnel decisions. Plus Lynch had just traded for Jimmy G.
Garopollo was traded to the Niners on the 2017 trade deadline. 6 months after the draft. If Shanahan had wanted Mahomes (or Watson or Trubisky) Lynch would have drafted them. I would prefer Shanahan over O'Brien. Don't get me wrong. Just saying your dream narrative is off.
 

steelbtexan

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Garopollo was traded to the Niners on the 2017 trade deadline. 6 months after the draft. If Shanahan had wanted Mahomes (or Watson or Trubisky) Lynch would have drafted them. I would prefer Shanahan over O'Brien. Don't get me wrong. Just saying your dream narrative is off.
Thanks, my mind must be failing me.

My point about the Texans organizational ineptness stands
 

Earl34

Veteran
Garopollo was traded to the Niners on the 2017 trade deadline. 6 months after the draft. If Shanahan had wanted Mahomes (or Watson or Trubisky) Lynch would have drafted them. I would prefer Shanahan over O'Brien. Don't get me wrong. Just saying your dream narrative is off.
If hindsight is 20/20. When assumptions and opinions are formed on totally wrong information, does that make faulty assumptions at 20/15 even better than hindsight?
 
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