“So that's a massive percentage of throws to the most sure handed guy of the bunch. Then it's only one guy from your list. Then it's a lot of backs and tight ends, aka generally low risk throws.”
Sure you didn’t.
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Watson or Mahomes? Who is more exciting?
- Thread starter Texecutioner
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“So that's a massive percentage of throws to the most sure handed guy of the bunch. Then it's only one guy from your list. Then it's a lot of backs and tight ends, aka generally low risk throws.”
Sure you didn’t.
What part of that order, from the non-highlighted to the highlighted there, is inaccurate?
Texas Legend
Practice Squad
Mahomes. — No NFL QB has thrown no-look passes like him before and only one QB in history (Peyton) has put up more TD’s in a season than he did last year. But Watson’s exciting in his own right and he’s a future star if we can keep him off his a** long enough.
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texanhead08
All Pro
Mahomes has the advantage in that he has Andy Reid calling plays instead of Bill O'Brien.
It’s nice that we have one oh them. This truly is a QB driven league. If Watson stays healthy and on this course not even bad coaching will hold him back.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Was and still am a big mahomes fan. I’d give him the edge over Watson but to me it’s like Peyton vs Brady in their heyday.
Hopefully Watson has a Brady like career. Mahomes can have the flashy stuff. Give me the grit, clutch and championships.
That takes coach and player.
Hopefully Watson has a Brady like career. Mahomes can have the flashy stuff. Give me the grit, clutch and championships.
That takes coach and player.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Very true, and to add on to that it more than anything I think it takes a player that is willing to be coached and coached constantly. A lot of elites have a huge ego at that point in their careers and listen less.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
One in the same......Mahomes plays with a very smart organization and Watson plays with an organization that isn't the sharpest stick in the wood pile. That's the difference. Put Watson in KC and he'll look and produce like Mahomes......put Mahomes in Houston and.....well you get the picture.
This is an over-simplification... Watson has neither the arm-strength or the accuracy of Mahomes. They are different qb's and not really comparable. They both are very exciting but in different ways
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Never suggested otherwise
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Mahomes is fun to watch. He has far more talent around him and competent coaching. His arm talent is sensational.
Watson is gifted in his own right. He doesn't have as good an arm but he's got ice water in his veins. No stage is to big for him. Seeing someone so young have so much composure is rare. He's an assassin.
The question here isn't who's better, it's who's more exciting. To me that means outside factors come into play. Like the offensive play calling and scheme itself. Watching Watson get sacked isn't exciting. Knowing Watson could do something special on 3rd and 17 and then seeing OB call a draw play isnt exciting.
Maybe my opinion is an unfair comparison between Reid's offense vs OB's instead of the QBs themself? That said, Mahomes is the guy for me.
Watson is gifted in his own right. He doesn't have as good an arm but he's got ice water in his veins. No stage is to big for him. Seeing someone so young have so much composure is rare. He's an assassin.
The question here isn't who's better, it's who's more exciting. To me that means outside factors come into play. Like the offensive play calling and scheme itself. Watching Watson get sacked isn't exciting. Knowing Watson could do something special on 3rd and 17 and then seeing OB call a draw play isnt exciting.
Maybe my opinion is an unfair comparison between Reid's offense vs OB's instead of the QBs themself? That said, Mahomes is the guy for me.
So simple and you had to go to all of this trouble to point it out.
Accuracy can be a completion hitting a guy in stride cutting across the middle vs a completion were a guy has to stop and is tackled at the spot of the catch.
How many SB's has Reid won?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
He's at least been to one and 6 conference championships? How many of either for OB?
I don’t think anyone can argue arm strength. The accuracy blows my mind considering Watson was statistically more accurate than Mahomes last year. Watson was also cited in throwing the ball in tighter windows on average.
Let’s also keep in mind that Mahomes threw on average 4 more passes a game within 5 yards of the LOS which are deemed easier throws. This also doesn’t take in to account the percentages which Mahomes threw to his backs and Te’s which theoretically are easier throws due to scheme.
So tell me how he is more accurate please.
markn
All Pro
Mahomes is obviously better and more exciting in his offense than Watson is in his... at the moment. Once Watson is given a modicum of protection and a competent OC willing to design an offense around his skillset - like Mahomes has had the luxury of - then the sky is the limit.
If the Texans and Chiefs switched QBs, Watson probably looks better.
If the Texans and Chiefs switched QBs, Watson probably looks better.
Most accurate NFL quarterbacks by separation in 2018
Most accurate NFL quarterbacks by pass depth in 2018
But I'm sure pff is just trash..
even those these are just numbers as opposed to grades..
Most accurate NFL quarterbacks by pass depth in 2018
But I'm sure pff is just trash..
even those these are just numbers as opposed to grades..
Im confused with those saying Mahomes is more accurate. I get arm strength that’s obvious but What exactly are y’all basing Mahomes being more accurate on? Statistically Watson is better and when you factor in how much pressure Watson deals with this is a no brained that overall Watson is more accurate.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Haven't looked at the stats. Can you post them?
The thread question is who's more exciting?
The stats are three posts up..
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I got to watch Staubach, Bradshaw, Tarkenton, Griese, and Stabler in the 70's, Montana, Moon, Marino, Thiessman, Bernie Kosar, Boomer Esiason, and Dan Fouts in the 80's, John Elway, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly and Brett Favra (
)in the 90's, Manning, Brady, Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, Warner, Rodgers in the 2000's. It happens quite often. It just doesn't happen to Houston fans very often. Including Watson, Houston NFL teams have had exactly 2 great QBs.I got to watch Staubach, Bradshaw, Tarkenton, Griese, and Stabler in the 70's, Montana, Moon, Marino, Thiessman, Bernie Kosar, Boomer Esiason, and Dan Fouts in the 80's, John Elway, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly and Brett Favra (
Actually we’ve had three. Well if you count Jim Kelly. The Gamblers were the funnest most exciting team I’ve ever watched.
I disagree about Rodgers. I don't think he's been all that for a few years now. I'd put Wilson up there with Mahommes for arm talent. He doesn't get near enough credit for his passing ability, imho.
It's impossible to separate either from the talent around them. Throwing to Kareem Hunt out of the backfield is more exciting to watch than throwing to Lamar Miller or Alfred Blue.
Throwing to Travis Kelce is more exciting to watch than throwing to Ryan Griffin.
Still, Sammy Watkins & Tyreek Hill seem to have more run after the catch opportunities than Hopkins & whoever is healthy. May be because of better ball placement, may be better play design, may be because defenses are spread thinner trying to cover four playmakers (all were playmakers before Mahomes) instead of two.
But as it is, Mahomes is more exciting to watch right now.
Dam... we need to package every draft pick we have left & get that Ryan Tannehill guy.
You think that certain levels of accuracy are worth all that?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Don’t need a dubious metric to see that..
I concur..
I think we're talking about different definitions of the word accuracy. & really I don't know how we can say who is right. None of us know what the guy (throwing the ball) is aiming at.
Sure, most of the time we can say it should be obvious.
I think it should be safe to say Mahomes has demonstrated uncanny ball placement skills.
At the same time we have to acknowledge Watson hasn't had as many wide open targets. But Watson has proven to be extremely accurate as well.
I haven't seen anyone in here characterizing Watson as inaccurate.
Meanwhile, I'll bite, define accurate..
Meanwhile, I'll bite, define accurate..
TxnsJuggernaut1
Veteran
We get to see some Houdini like escapes and some amazing plays on the ground and through the air by DW and that is exciting. Still it is hard to say who is more exciting. DW has made a lot of things happen toward the good when most Quarterbacks would either throw an interception, take a big loss or end up fumbling. Than again DW also takes too many risk when they are not warranted. I have enjoyed what DW has done so far but I would love to see what he is capable of with a better O-line and better coaching!
Patrick Mahomes II is not as Houdini like as DW but he is mobile enough. He knows how to exploit the weaknesses of other teams defenses, has a accurate and strong arm and works the pocket like many of the greats before him. He is better coached and that helps still he shows a maturity well beyond his years and I think it would be that way no matter who he had as coaches.
DW makes some exciting plays but I like offenses that are run like a fine oiled machine and quarterbacks that are at the top of their craft. That would be Patrick Mahomes II for me at this time!
Patrick Mahomes II is not as Houdini like as DW but he is mobile enough. He knows how to exploit the weaknesses of other teams defenses, has a accurate and strong arm and works the pocket like many of the greats before him. He is better coached and that helps still he shows a maturity well beyond his years and I think it would be that way no matter who he had as coaches.
DW makes some exciting plays but I like offenses that are run like a fine oiled machine and quarterbacks that are at the top of their craft. That would be Patrick Mahomes II for me at this time!
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Would've been weird to think of LeBron as a three-star recruit who would've had to have gone to the basketball equivalent of TTech..
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Yeah, but to me, Watson has swag and the ability to find creative ways to win. He elevates his team and his play when it matters, like Jordan.
Mahomes is a physical talent with something others don't possess, arm talent. He can physically dominate people, like Lebron.
Both are legends in their own ways
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Yeah Mohames based off 2 weeks
What about last years MVP ?
Two weeks and he's thrown for more 313 in a quarter in both games …. Only 6 QB's average 313 per game.
14 plays of 20+ #2 has 12
7 plays of 40+ - no one else has more than 4.
No INT's.
only 2 sacks
Averaging 410 yards a game - 46 more than anyone else and has done it on 16 less attempts than #2.
cameronkrazie86
Rookie
I do hope that one day Watson gets a coach who maximizes his skills like Mahomes has with Andy Reid. I just hope we aren't waiting another decade to find a coach capable of doing that.
markn
All Pro
Agreed; it's very frustrating. We've waited 17 years for a franchise QB (w/ apologies to M. Schaub) and now we have one, we don't have an OC with the feinstest idea of what to do with him.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I'd categorize Mahomes to be more like Chef Curry. A deep long ball specialist with incredible handles and vision. But that's just me.
He's also incredibly accurate in the 10-19 yd range..
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I wasn't saying that he wasn't. Just saying that he can sling bombs like a madman. His accuracy everywhere is incredible.
He's a pitcher for crying out loud. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see him throwing curve balls out there soon enough.
Curry isn't known for his mid-range game, is all..
I don't even think there's an argument at this point …. Mahomes far and away.
We can make excuses for Watson all day long …. but the bottom line is what it is. One of them won an MVP his first year as a starter and is setting the league afire in year two while the other one is struggling on multiple fronts.
Blame the coach.
Blame the OL.
Blame the playcalling.
Blame the refs.
Blame the receivers …. if you must.
Blame the water boy too.
But the results speak for themselves.
We can make excuses for Watson all day long …. but the bottom line is what it is. One of them won an MVP his first year as a starter and is setting the league afire in year two while the other one is struggling on multiple fronts.
Blame the coach.
Blame the OL.
Blame the playcalling.
Blame the refs.
Blame the receivers …. if you must.
Blame the water boy too.
But the results speak for themselves.