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Training Camp Practice Updates - 2011

ObsiWan said:
Yet one wonders who is pushing this strategy. Both Wade and DB coach Joseph just got here and (I suspect) pushed to draft Harris for CB. So they don't have any ties to KJ. Why would they give him so much rope? It's not just Kubiak's job on the line but Wade's rep as a defensive makeover magician is at stake too.

Something about this just doesn't add up. I hope Uncle Bob hasn't adapted a new "project".
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We put KJ out at CB2 last season, right off the bat.

We just drafted Harris. I think they're going to sacrifice (let go of) evaluating what Harris can do against opposing 1st teamers (in preseason) so that (A) Kareem gets the most looks at CB2 vs. opposing 1st teamers, and (B) Harris gets to play 2nd teamers and build his confidence.

In short: Protect the psyche of Harris (as he slows down and learns) and make KJ prove that he can handle being CB2.

So far, I don't buy the lip service being served up by any of the Texans coaches. They're going to say the right things at all times, even up to the day KJ is demoted. An outside shot exists whereby we see KJ at CB2 in reg season, but I hope it never happens.

For me, I'm just praying they aren't taking J Joseph and Manning for granted...meaning that those two guys can cover for KJ's lack of talent.

At this point, you don't yoke a mule (KJ) to two horses (Maning/Joseph) on the speed buggy Wade is building. To do so, IMO, would be jeopardizing the things McNair set out to do: Hire a good d-coord who has a good system, draft heavy on defense, and acquire GOOD free agents at S and CB.

Kareem Jackson has a focus problem, an instinct problem, and just generally seems LOST out there. If he's going to watch games, he needs to do it from the stands and not out on the field where opposing o-coordinators are going to hammer his ass play after play.

Unless a switch flips in his head, I see no reason the guy should be a 1st teamer. But I have seen the Texans stick with guys for years and years (Amobi, Travis Johnson, etc.) and I am fully aware that we could see KJ at CB2 all this season just for the sake of seeing him perform a whole 2nd season out there. It's a pattern.
 
GP said:
We put KJ out at CB2 last season, right off the bat.

We just drafted Harris. I think they're going to sacrifice (let go of) evaluating what Harris can do against opposing 1st teamers (in preseason) so that (A) Kareem gets the most looks at CB2 vs. opposing 1st teamers, and (B) Harris gets to play 2nd teamers and build his confidence.

In short: Protect the psyche of Harris (as he slows down and learns) and make KJ prove that he can handle being CB2.

So far, I don't buy the lip service being served up by any of the Texans coaches. They're going to say the right things at all times, even up to the day KJ is demoted. An outside shot exists whereby we see KJ at CB2 in reg season, but I hope it never happens.

For me, I'm just praying they aren't taking J Joseph and Manning for granted...meaning that those two guys can cover for KJ's lack of talent.

At this point, you don't yoke a mule (KJ) to two horses (Maning/Joseph) on the speed buggy Wade is building. To do so, IMO, would be jeopardizing the things McNair set out to do: Hire a good d-coord who has a good system, draft heavy on defense, and acquire GOOD free agents at S and CB.

Kareem Jackson has a focus problem, an instinct problem, and just generally seems LOST out there. If he's going to watch games, he needs to do it from the stands and not out on the field where opposing o-coordinators are going to hammer his ass play after play.

Unless a switch flips in his head, I see no reason the guy should be a 1st teamer. But I have seen the Texans stick with guys for years and years (Amobi, Travis Johnson, etc.) and I am fully aware that we could see KJ at CB2 all this season just for the sake of seeing him perform a whole 2nd season out there. It's a pattern.
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I think Saban converted him to CB from a RB . If he's not a top 5 CB on your team , do you cut him ?
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I think Saban converted him to CB from a RB . If he's not a top 5 CB on your team , do you cut him ?
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Unless you plan keeping 6 CBs on the roster but almost all 1sts get a fee seasons before they are cut no matter how bad they are ya know? That's not something only the Texans do.

Btw there are kjax threads for this kind of discussion.
 
Just got back from the practice..here are some quick hits.

-JJ Watt looked amazing, he constantly beat Eric Winston 1 on 1.

-Brooks Reed looked better than I thought, disrupted a few runs and got pressure on the QB

-2nd team DL is awful, we have no depth

-Kareem Jackson.......:wadepalm:

-Jeff Mahel was the star of the day, 2 great catches..multiple TD's.

-Dorin Dickerson made an AMAZING jump ball TD on Joseph

-RB's looked good, Slaton still can't hold onto the football unfortunately.

-Schaub was accurate on every throw, he and Daniels hooked up quite a bit.

-Mario looked good at times, struggles on run plays at times.

-Demeco had a few pass break ups in 7 on 7, was nice to see.

-Brice McCain couldn't cover my grandma in a phone booth.

-Was impressed with McManis in man coverage, got beat a few times in zone
 
Sounds like Tate had to leave practice again with a hammy. I also heard Ogbannaya's been looking really good and taking advantage of all the extra work with Foster and Tate out.
 
I'm tired of hearing about Kareem getting beat every practice.

I know there are other corners being beat out there.
 
Rey said:
I'm tired of hearing about Kareem getting beat every practice.

I know there are other corners being beat out there.
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He's unfortunately #2 and gonna start! I want EVERYONE to know, including the media, just how often this dude gets beat! Maybe, just MAYBE, the coaching staff will wake up and realize this kid might not make it as a CB in this league.
 
SheTexan said:
He's unfortunately #2 and gonna start! I want EVERYONE to know, including the media, just how often this dude gets beat! Maybe, just MAYBE, the coaching staff will wake up and realize this kid might not make it as a CB in this league.
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Other than Joseph (who seems everything as billed, if he can stay healthy) its open competition in these practice sessions. I don't understand why people would hope Kareem fails? I just want him to get a fair chance with new coaching & players around him. If someone else beats him for a starting role, that's fine & dandy. To upgrade a position it takes time & continuity in a system. I hope we stick with the 3-4 & never go back to that 4-3 again.

In another news flash, the Texans offense if pretty good, especially with a healthy Andre the passing attack can be downright nasty. :)
 
Astew10112 said:
Just got back from the practice..here are some quick hits.


-Kareem Jackson.......:wadepalm:

-Dorin Dickerson made an AMAZING jump ball TD on Joseph

-Brice McCain couldn't cover my grandma in a phone booth.

-Was impressed with McManis in man coverage, got beat a few times in zone
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I'll admit, I read this with a little bias.

I wonder if anyone else can admit the same.

Kubiak & Bush started Dunta Robinson & Fred Bennet a few years back. They played the same.. "Bennet has stepped it up blah, blah, blah... " in the off-season.

But when it got down to losing games (that was our 9-7 season) They sat him down & Glover shined.

I have no doubt the same will happen here, if KJac doesn't cut the mustard... good thing is we have some good options behind him. McCain looked good that season as well & played most of the nickel downs. McMannis looks like a keeper. I've got high hopes for Harris & I hear good things about Carmichael.

& at the very least, we've got Jason Allen.

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As promised I took alot of videos! I also have that Dickerson catch on tape too! It might take me awhile to get them all uploaded so just wait a bit and you'll get them hopefully.


Heres one of them!


Great catch by Jean. Really want this guy over Maehl and Tolliver


(btw not all the videos are this bad quality, I just took this with my phone after my camera ran out of card space or whatever)
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I was really upset to hear that Roc Carmichael separated his shoulder.

It's on McClain's chat this morning.
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Hmm, I wonder what grade separation? If it's bad, they might PUP him. Or IR him if they didn't think he was going to be ready to contribute this season
 
HOU-TEX said:
Hmm, I wonder what grade separation? If it's bad, they might PUP him. Or IR him if they didn't think he was going to be ready to contribute this season
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Unless the new CBA changed the rules, you can't be placed on the PUP list once you've participated in practice. It would have to be IR.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Unless the new CBA changed the rules, you can't be placed on the PUP list once you've participated in practice. It would have to be IR.
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I'm talking about the regular season PUP. Not the practice PUP. Where he'd miss the first 6 games of the season. I might be wrong, but I don't think it was changed?
 
HOU-TEX said:
I'm talking about the regular season PUP. Not the practice PUP. Where he'd miss the first 6 games of the season. I might be wrong, but I don't think it was changed?
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Same deal - you can't be placed on the regular season (Reserve) PUP unless you're first placed on the preseason (Active PUP).

AJ has written a great article summarizing the PUP rules. Assuming they haven't changed, it's the best summary on this I've seen - probably a good time to post a link.

Link to PUP summary (assuming the new CBA hasn't changed them)
 
ChampionTexan said:
Same deal - you can't be placed on the regular season (Reserve) PUP unless you're first placed on the preseason (Active PUP).

AJ has written a great article summarizing the PUP rules. Assuming they haven't changed, it's the best summary on this I've seen - probably a good time to post a link.

Link to PUP summary (assuming the new CBA hasn't changed them)
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I stand corrected. Thanks, man. Unless I'm having a brain fart, I didn't know that. I always thought they could be PUP'd for the season during camp.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I stand corrected. Thanks, man. Unless I'm having a brain fart, I didn't know that. I always thought they could be PUP'd for the season during camp.
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Yeah, I don't think the Texans placed anybody on the active PUP (although I could have missed it). If that's the case, then the entire concept of the PUP list is irrelevant for them until 2012 training camp.
 
Rey said:
I'm tired of hearing about Kareem getting beat every practice.

I know there are other corners being beat out there.
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Brice McCain is an abortion as well. I mentioned him in my break down. The next good play that guy makes will be the first good play that guy makes.
 
Here are a couple points from LZ on this morning's practice

•I probably can’t sit in a conversation with anyone for very long where they try and convince me that Kareem Jackson or any other CB not named Johnathan Joseph is one of the top two CBs on the team ahead of Jason Allen. Allen’s ball skills alone should give him a great shot at being a starter in Week 1.
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•Glover Quin seems to be handling the transition from CB to safety pretty well. Quin showed a good deal of discipline by staying with his assignment and not being fooled by play-action passes on the backside. Quin was ready for bootleg rollout and did a good job of closing on the WR/FB/TE.
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http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootba...-the-texans-and-antonio-smiths-new-playmates/

Interesting take on Allen.

Nice to hear Quin not biting on PA. Pollard was the worst. He bit on PA more than anyone I've seen. Hopefully we now have safety's that don't just go for the kill shot and can actually cover someone
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I think Saban converted him to CB from a RB . If he's not a top 5 CB on your team , do you cut him ?
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I would have to analyze the pros and cons.

Do I want him for depth purposes? Probably.

Do I want him starting? Hell no. And if he can't handle that, he can take his talents to Miami Beach or somewhere they will coddle him and treat him the way he wants to be treated. He's a gawker: Gets caught watching the play.
 
McLame's tweets:

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Watt is quick, strong and instinctive. Sometimes he just grabs the OT and tosses him to the side. Also, Watt's motor never stops.

McClain_on_NFL
DE J.J. Watt, the first-round pick, looks tremendous. He's 6-5, 290 and has terrific athleticism, which he showed at the combine.

McClain_on_NFL
Texans signed veteran P Brad Maynard, but don't be surprised if Brett Hartmann, an undrafted rookie from Central Michigan, wins the job.

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RB Steve Slaton, 3rd on depth chart behind Arian Foster and Derrick Ward, continues to look good in camp. Very quick and elusive.

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Arian Foster is still riding a bike in practice to protect his hamstring injury. No need to rush him back. They already know what he can do.

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So I'll say it again: I think OLB Connor Barwin, who plays the strong side, will be the Texans' breakout defensive player this season.

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Last year, I predicted Connor Barwin would be their breakout player, but he suffered a season-ending broken foot in the first game.

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Cushing said he wanted to lose 10 pounds so he'd be quicker in Wade Phillips' new defense. He hasn't been in team drills yet.

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I don't see Cushing playing against the Jets Monday night after missing so much time. Cushing has lost 10 pounds to 252.

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ILB Brian Cushing still can't practice after undergoing surgery in January to repair a patella tendon in his knee.

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Dorin Dickerson (6-2, 227) is getting a firm hold on the 4th WR job that used to belong to David Anderson. Dickerson has caught everything.

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Matt Leinart has looked outstanding in camp. He's made perfect throws on deep routes, slant routes and fade routes. The coaches love him.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Here are a couple points from LZ on this morning's practice




http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootba...-the-texans-and-antonio-smiths-new-playmates/

Interesting take on Allen.

Nice to hear Quin not biting on PA. Pollard was the worst. He bit on PA more than anyone I've seen. Hopefully we now have safety's that don't just go for the kill shot and can actually cover someone
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One more...

After watching him for much of the morning, I can safely say that DeMeco Ryan’s recognition and reaction against the run looks like it is back where it needs to be after coming back from an Achilles tear last year. What was less clear to me was whether or not he is going to be able to move in space effectively against the pass.
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I will take it!
 
I saw some nice caches from Jacoby Jones this morning so he might finally be as good as we all thought he was going to be. I saw Vickers really lay the wood on an LB smash mouth style on a running play and he also caught some very nice passes out of the backfield from Shaub. AJ was just as pure as he always has been so no surprise there. Slaton still has butterfingers but the other backs looked very solid. It was nice to see Dickerson making great strides in only his second year in the league. Matt L. is the clear cut number two QB right now over Yates IMO. JJ Watt is a beast and he is going to be a force to be reckoned with based on what I saw for those who have not seen him play yet. Mario needs a little more work on staying involved on certain plays but nothing too bad from him. Just glad I am able to finally bring home some good stuff to report to you guys. And I'm just not felling the beat on Kareem Jackson right now either.
 
I'm just now noticing a majority of my videos are from 7 on 7 drills. I wish I would have taken more of the complete O vs. D.

I really didnt think they would turn out that well. Although I had to hold my phone up pretty high so they were a little shaky.
 
Safety Blitz

I love this one. Can you believe we actually blitzed 2 safeties? I know the result was a td, but I don't know if the qb would have had the time to wait for the route to develop.
 
Shaft75 said:
I'm just now noticing a majority of my videos are from 7 on 7 drills. I wish I would have taken more of the complete O vs. D.

I really didnt think they would turn out that well. Although I had to hold my phone up pretty high so they were a little shaky.
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So how do these 7 on 7 drills work? With no pass rush, the receivers should always eventually get open.
 
Shaft75 said:
I'm just now noticing a majority of my videos are from 7 on 7 drills. I wish I would have taken more of the complete O vs. D.

I really didnt think they would turn out that well. Although I had to hold my phone up pretty high so they were a little shaky.
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Don't worry I have a lot of O v D. I'm still trying to uploading them. a 5 minute video takes like 2 hours to upload! ridiculous!
 
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Rookie CB Roc Carmichael (4th-rd pick/Va Tech), sprained a shoulder on Sunday. Kubiak said he'll miss "a week or so" of practice
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Kubiak also said 2nd-year CB Sherrick McManis is "having a really good camp." He and Allen are pushing Kareem Jackson for PT
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Allen, a 6th-year pro who had 6 INTs last season, has been making big plays in team drills throughout camp
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Texans coach Gary Kubiak said this afternoon "there's absolutely no doubt" that CB Jason Allen could push for a starting spot
 
Shaft75 said:
Jacoby drops a TD

...which happens with him. The one thing that I liked is seeing the way Manning and Joseph worked Andre out of the picture when Schaub looked his way.
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GP said:
Not as much as it's been perpetuated, actually.
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Is there another Jacoby on the team?

The Jacoby I know drops balls. I've read some of your posts, and I'm thinking you may have watched as many games as I have. How in the hell do you not remember the dude dropping passes/punts?
 
Thanks for the vids and the reports you guys are killing it today. Repped a bunch of people for their contributions.
 
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