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Training Camp Practice Updates - 2011
- Thread starter b0ng
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Blake
MMQB
JJ Watt is a beast ...
Watt is a beast ...
JJ Watt is a #%*$&!?@ beast ...
Heard that so many times!!!
Can we get false start to make us a MAXIMUM WATTAGE photoshop image?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
How many?
I think one of the issues here is defining what a drop is and is not.
I'm pretty sure I saw Jacoby drop more than 4 balls last year. At least, there were more than 4 instances where the ball touched his hands and he didn't catch it. To me, if it hits both of your hands, you should have caught it if you're a WR.
GP
Go Texans!
I came in here for Training Camp updates.
All I found were arguments about Jacoby and what a DB should do with a hail mary.
BUT any football talk is better than none!
My bad. I seriously keep trying to walk away from it, but I come back and see so many responses that I feel like re-discussing it all over again.
Every one of my posts is consistent on those two topics, though. I feel like I have explained it the same way, multiple times. I do it less to try and change people who argue against what I am saying...and more to show the undecided voters out there that what gets purported is not always what "is."
There just could, juuuuuus might, be some other pieces of information that provide food for thought. Maybe my crime is serving up a buffet of food. Maybe I should be a short order cook, instead. I dunno. LOL.
Porky
Hall of Fame
The Jacoby stuff is interesting and has a lot of merit as a debate topic, but I love coming to this thread and reading what everyone has to say about practice and weeding thru the Jacoby talk takes extra time. Unless Jacoby drops one in practice, I would rather see a seperate thread topic on the merits of JJ's hands. JMO. 
GP
Go Texans!
What if a LB chips you, and throws you off stride and you had to contort your body to catch it? The ball glances off your hands, but it's not as if you (the WR) had the best shot at the pass?
This is where the subjectivity comes into play, unfortunately. Nobody is going to agree with someone else on what was the WR's fault and what was not. I suppose standing in a defender-free "bubble" of space and having the ball doink completely off your hands would be the only sure thing to register as a drop?
I shudder to think what kind of haggling would go on, in order to determine by committee if a WR dropped the ball or he did not. Would be a fun sight to observe.
MightyTExan
It's go time!
per PFT Kubiak concerned about Brian Cushing’s absence
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/10/kubiak-concerned-about-brian-cushings-absence/
“I’m concerned,” Kubiak said Tuesday via the Houston Chronicle. “He needs to get out here and go to work with his buddies. Obviously he had surgery done and we didn’t have him all offseason, so we couldn’t just throw him out there and watch him. . . . It’s hard to be at your best when you’re missing a lot of time, so we need to get him out there.”
UPDATE: Cushing heard Kubiak’s message. He returned to the field for “some” team drills on Wednesday morning, although not with the starters. We’ll keep an eye on his progress this month.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/10/kubiak-concerned-about-brian-cushings-absence/
“I’m concerned,” Kubiak said Tuesday via the Houston Chronicle. “He needs to get out here and go to work with his buddies. Obviously he had surgery done and we didn’t have him all offseason, so we couldn’t just throw him out there and watch him. . . . It’s hard to be at your best when you’re missing a lot of time, so we need to get him out there.”
UPDATE: Cushing heard Kubiak’s message. He returned to the field for “some” team drills on Wednesday morning, although not with the starters. We’ll keep an eye on his progress this month.
GP
Go Texans!
The Jacoby stuff is interesting and has a lot of merit as a debate topic, but I love coming to this thread and reading what everyone has to say about practice and weeding thru the Jacoby talk takes extra time. Unless Jacoby drops one in practice, I would rather see a seperate thread topic on the merits of JJ's hands. JMO.
Me too. I thought I did that in a thread I created, but people have to bring up JJ's current training camp problems...another person says "That's what he does" and it causes people (chiefly ME) to say "Wait a second, did you look at any other threads other than this one? Recent thread about this, link HERE."
Some others chime in, on the TC thread (here), and so it goes. So on and so forth. Rinse and repeat.
It's really the fault of posters who don't give us minute-by-minute TC reports in this thread. They are dropping the ball in this instance. BIG TIME.
Anybody ever see two kitten smilies that were NOT in sync on the timing of the paw batting the ball of yarn? That's amazing. Just noticed that. Perfect timing, each time.
Here, let's see if it happens again
EDIT: Damn! That is one RELIABLE kitten right there.
AnthonyE
Lurker
Don't worry about it bro, just thought I would contribute to this thread the only way I know how. By not really contributing. XD
Btw, I totally agree with you with the DB thing. My coach, granted this was in middle school but, always told me to make sure the WR doesn't get the ball by whatever means necessary. Whether that's by way of a pick, or by knocking it down, as long as he doesn't catch it it's alright by him.
As far as the Jacoby thing, meh. In the past he's been a bit scary, but as a number 3 option there's not really more that you can ask for. He has the chance to score and flashes brilliance many times, but he's still inconsistent. Sounds like a lot of WR2 and WR3s to me.
If this was a real game, that ball wouldn't have been caught... I doubt it would have been thrown. Manning would have picked it off & KJac was right where he was supposed to be.
If I'm a coach & I watched that play, I would be happy with everyone's work, except my QB.
If he's going to throw that ball, he's got to get the ball over the receivers head, away from the CB let him run up under it... the receiver is already past the safety & there's nothing but end zone in front of him.
Shaft75
All Pro
I must have gotten into some other conversation or touched a nerve. I never said I didn't want the guy on the team or that he wasn't productive. I just said he simply dropped a pass in the endzone. And he'll do it again. He'll even drop a crucial first down pass. I was actually not at all a fan of DA and was happy that we moved on.
And, yes, I mainly just watch the Texans games, although I do watch others when we have an away game or I watch the night games. But remember, I've had front row season tickets for the last 8 years, so I do know what I'm talking about when it comes to JJ.
michaelm
vox nihili
I read a tweet that said he got worn out pretty quickly and his playing time was limited. Kubiak said he's (paraphrasing) "pretty far" behind on his conditioning.
Allstar
Bona fide
michaelm
vox nihili
Or maybe JJ SWATT? ya know, cuz he's always swatting those passes down
I'm thinking about some kind of play on the word "kilowatts".
Yeah, you just got shocked by 99 Killa-WATTs!
gary
Hall of Fame
I am more worried about who the second corner is going to be this year rather than Jacoby Jones. Earl Mitchael should definitely be the starting NT with Cody backing him up. Who knows, maybe Kevin Williams will be signed after training camp as depth for a DT/NT? Slaton is running great as long as ball security is not a question with him of course. Studdard is a signing that looks like for the sole purpose of being a backup and also knowing the ZBS as well.
GP
Go Texans!
You didn't hit a nerve, you just did a drive-by comment like so many other people do (JJ is a drop machine!) and I chose to try and put some objectivity into it.
BTW, your front row seats don't impress me, either. Watch a few other games of other teams and you'll see WRs dropping passes, and in fact NFL Drops stats are bearing that out too (but only JJ drops the "important" passes, or so I am told). It's not what JJ "does," it's what they all do from time to time.
One last parting comment:
I am actually a lot like Jacoby Jones. I'm not very reliable, but every now and then I pull out one of these:
(John McClain, who is drinking the Kool Aid this year)
or one of these...
or this one I made when we beat the Colts in game 1 and The Forehead was on the sideline acting like it was the end of the world and his teammates were the biggest losers in the world...
I have a lot of potential, but just like JJ, I kinda' drop the ball on some things around here. Usually, I'm on the wrong side of the stats argument...but I feel pretty confident that this particular topic is settled.
GP
Go Texans!
I'm with you on the Mitchell/Cody topic.
I feel like Mitchell makes more sense as NT, just like Jason Allen makes more sense at CB2. If preseason plays out like training camp has, it ought to be Mitchell at NT and Allen at CB2.
But then again, preseason can make darlings out of duds, and turn heroes into goats.
I'm also hoping the punter Hartmann or Harttman (sp?) wins the punter's job. He can boom kickoffs, too, and could be a K if Rackers is injured or hits Shanksville all of a sudden.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
gary
Hall of Fame
I just don't see Mitchell being just a training camp wonder and that's all. Both Cody and Mitchell seem to be rather small for an NT upon first glance at them but Earl still has the edge there he does really well at staying low to the ground and using his quickness at the point of attack which is a huge plus for him. These are not games that count though so let's hope he does this well when facing the rest of the NFL. We'll see.
GP
Go Texans!
I had to find glasses that looked like an older white man's glasses.
Had to find a mustache (boy, was THAT a weird images results page!).
A pocket protector and a Texans logo, which was easy.
And....a ham sammich that would nestle ever so comfortably, yet in abject peril in the hands of McClain.
I like to show people that I don't take things toooo seriously, that I have a SOFT spot for making sure everybody knows I come here for fun first and foremost. And the sex is good, too. Can't gripe about that. LOL.
GP
Go Texans!
What's so funny is that McClain has a round'ish face to begin with.
The mustache fits. The glasses. The nerdy pocket protector. Ham sammich.
It is one of my favorite projects, actually. Wolf asked for it, I delivered! My only fear is that some of the media guys in the Houston area will get ahold of it and I'll have The General hunting me down and talking massive trash about me in his blog or at his sidewalk Kool Aid stand or whatever he does these days.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
breadbasket numbers perfect pass - bad coverage - no traffic - and it almost looked like schaub took something off it just cause he was throwing it to JJ.
These were not questionable drops...these were passes schaub was pissed about having dropped...
I KNOW he dropped more then 4. Thats a bogus stat.
Señor Stan
El Guapo
Not as good as others on here, but heres a quick attempt by me
A little more time this evening and I can make it look nice. Does anyone have a Texans photo of him?
Allstar
Bona fide
Come Tuesday morning there should be a few.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not as good as others on here, but heres a quick attempt by me
A little more time this evening and I can make it look nice. Does anyone have a Texans photo of him?
I don't mean to be critical but shouldn't you have picked a white guy for the picture?
*Whooosh*
(sound of that going right over my head)
I'm going to need some more explanation. Wasn't Watt #99 at wisconsin?
Grams
Veteran
Yes, but obviously that is a different 99.
Doppelganger
None
Watt was #99 at Wisconsin. The picture you have is him. The problem is the lighting is very dark and thus makes the very white Watt looks black.
I think this picture is from the same game. Different light and black teammate next to him and Watt looks like himself.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Ok, I'm glad I'm not crazy.
Maybe some people need to check their screen calibration settings
(Either that or we've become a colorblind society)
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Ok, I'm glad I'm not crazy.
Maybe some people need to check their screen calibration settings
(Either that or we've become a colorblind society)
I didn't even think black guy until I saw I-Caks post. I double checked and he still looked white.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
OK - still looks like a black guy to me and the face looks different. But in any event it was meant as a joke.
GP
Go Texans!
ha, no worries. When people say "I don't see color" in response to racism, you now know what it means
michaelm
vox nihili
dc_txtech
All Pro
I asked the wife and she said, "If I had to guess, I would say Mexican".
LOL at this thread continuously being off topic. Good stuff though.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
I'm betting Killa-Watts breaks Amobi's rookie record of 5.5 sacks....by week 13.
Thought Amobi was a beast in the making after that rookie season he had. Shame.
jaayteetx
All Pro
I'm betting Killa-Watts breaks Amobi's rookie record of 5.5 sacks....by week 8.
Fixed it for ya.
I'm betting Killa-Watts breaks Amobi's rookie record of 5.5 sacks....by week 13.
5.5+ sacks from a rookie 3-4 DE?
No Pressure.
Igor Olshanski has never had 5 sacks in a single season.
Marcus Spears... never had 5 sacks in a single season.
& those guys played quite a bit in Wade's 3-4.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I was hopeful that Amobi would develop into a good player. I even wrote an article with supporting video after our win vs. Indy last season where I argued that Amobi looked very good and may have finally figured it out.
All that is to preface the following: I never thought he looked good as a rookie. Most of those sacks that first month were flukish. I always thought that Okoye and Fred Bennett both were a mirage in 2007. Bennett, who had an excellent rookie season, appeared to me to have very poor form tacking and also had very sloppy footwork. I'm still at a loss to explain why both players had such good seasons in 2007- It certainly wasn't the strong supporting cast.
Shaft75
All Pro
BTW, your front row seats don't impress me, either.
(John McClain, who is drinking the Kool Aid this year)
or one of these...
I'm not trying to impress dude, but I know my football, played it in high school and college, I'm diehard for the Texans and watch pretty much all the NFL and college games I can find the time for. Trust me, with twin 8 month olds it going to be super hard for me this year. I have a say, just like anyone else on this board. And I'd venture to say that defending Jacoby for some critical drops will draw a little criticism.
I'm repping you for the Koolaid John. that was a masterclass!
I think watt is a different kind of player than those guys.
I think he has the potential to be a whole lot more dynamic. Pass rushing is a part of his game. A big part if it.
Watt could play de in a 43 whereas is see spears and olshanface as dts.
I heard barwin say that he will be dropping about 50 of the time so that means that the other half the will be depending in watt to provide the outside rush opposite Mario.