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Trade: Samkon Gado for Vernand Morency

texan279 said:
Agreed. Also am I the only one who thinks Morency was our best back this preseason? (not directed at you jdog)
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I thought Morency was our best back, and would like to have seen him start.

I still like this trade, though.
 
I'm starting to get the feeling that the team isn't preparing for one of the toughest games of the year. At least not in the way that we would expect them to prepare. I almost feel like we're still in a preseason mode and still finding parts for this thing, test fitting players, and exploring options to trade with other teams.

I sincerely believe we're looking at a team that will start looking dangerous around the mid-point of the season and anything they do early by way of wins will simply be gravy.

Next years draft is going to be really interesting.
 
jdog said:
There is a lot invested in the draft system. I know Gado has performed well. All I'm saying is if I were Green Bay I would make the trade too...especially since he's like their third back.
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But you're saying you would make the trade because of where they were drafted previously, which is completely irrevelent. They're just numbers.

You know who was also a third round pick? Maurice Clarett. Do you think that number holds any weight? Should it?
 
TEXANRED said:
Anybody else see a problem with Lundy starting, Dayne coming off an injury and hasn't played within the last month, and Gado not knowing the system?

Will Gado even be activated for this game?
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I've noticed that we have lined up in that inverted full house backfield just like the Packers did under Sherman and I think he had a big part of how this offense was designed. I'd bet Gado knows this offense well enough for a back to play reasonably soon. I'm still not exactly sure what Kubiak sees in Lundy unless he wanted to turn the backfield over completely and he thinks he can be a nice back up for a few years. He kind of reminds me of a poor mans Gary Brown.
 
I think Gado will be a great addition to our lineup. Sherman obviously knows what he can do. So at the very least in him we have a solid #2 back if not a #1. He isn't DD, but if the line can open those holes we could be looking great. I just hope he knows the system we could really use him in Indy.


I hope some Packers fans show up to back me up on this. I know A.Green is back for them so I doubt it effects them much.
 
michaelm said:
I agree with your post, but I have a question to you or anyone else who can answer it.

People here frequently suggest that someone 'go back' and watch a certain game.
Is there a source of games that you can just go back and watch?
I am being a little sarcastic, but I actually hoping that you'll point me somewhere.
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I don't actually know anywhere to watch the game. I just remember watching the game. Atlanta was heavily favored, and Green Bay won largely because Gado carried them to victory. Over 100 yards and 2 TDs behind a bad o-line, and more importantly, he got the hard yards, short yardage and first downs and whatnot. Kept the drives alive.

He also had 171 yards against Detroit, and 111 yards against Philly. Remember Philly? That team whose run defense is supposedly so awesome that they were being used as the scapegoat for our bad rushing in week one. Just sayin'.

And he only got better as the season went on. Very impressive for an undrafted rookie who didn't have any reps with the first team until he was thrust into the game because of injuries. One of the feel-good stories of last year. So it's not just a good statistical pickup for us, maybe it's a good karma pickup too.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Did the Texans practice today ? I wonder how it feels to be with you "teamates" one second, focusing on playing the Colts...and then the next second you're in the middle of cheese head country...
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Yeah I know.

First, you are looking at this:

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Then on to this:

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I wish Morency the best up there, and the cold up there is brutal.
 
texan279 said:
Old college 40 times mean nothing. Gado had 3 runs over 20 yards last season in 143 carries. Morency had 2 carries over 20 yards last season on 46 carries.
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Funny, NFL.COM says morency had 1 run over 20yds in 46 carries. Not only that, but it's his career long.

Gado had 3 over 20 yds in 143 carries. His career long is 63.
 
If Gado can produce the way he did on Monday night Football last year when Madden put him on the "Horse Trailer" then this is a great move.
 
Yossarian said:
But you're saying you would make the trade because of where they were drafted previously, which is completely irrevelent. They're just numbers.

You know who was also a third round pick? Maurice Clarett. Do you think that number holds any weight? Should it?
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Ryan Leaf sucked. Ricky Williams is crazy. I know, but a lot goes into picking players in the draft. It's not a perfect science. Basing your decision on a couple of short NFL resumes is not a perfect science either.

You're saying Gado is great based on a partial season. He doesn't even have college experience really.

It's not like Morency has been bad or had a lot of opportunities.
 
The one thing that makes me favor this trade is b/c of Mike Sherman. The guy has been a respected head coach and I'm sure he must have some special insight on Gado since he was his coach last year. Either way, best of luck to Morency. Time to get a running game started.
 
I hope it works out, but let's face it, the Texans are still trying to get a starting back out of guys that would be backups on most every other team.
 
TexansMVP said:
The one thing that makes me favor this trade is b/c of Mike Sherman. The guy has been a respected head coach and I'm sure he must have some special insight on Gado since he was his coach last year. Either way, best of luck to Morency. Time to get a running game started.
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He has been knocked as a poor talent evaluator in the past by some of the Packer fans. Don't want to lower your mood...just relaying some thought on him.
 
Say what you want about this guy he can run the football..............

Although I wanted to see Vernond get more plays, I like Samkon Gado, good stuff.

Only if we had a 1st rd pick last year we could have drafted a Running Back. JK:ok:

Gado only in his second year as well, 5 games 585yds..........Not bad for a rookie.
 
Tale Gator said:
Houston we have a new starter! :cowboy1:

I love Samkon -- I think he is going to be a better fit than Lundy.
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Is there any confirmation on whether or not he will be the starter? (I'm drafting today)
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
Wow this is making passing on Reggie Bush look even worse...

I feel for you guys. Hope it works out.
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Yeah, it must be nice for you as a Tack fan. You know your team won't win this year, and if Vince plays it'll be a live practice situation with the Tacks down by four touchdowns.
 
TexansMVP said:
The one thing that makes me favor this trade is b/c of Mike Sherman. The guy has been a respected head coach and I'm sure he must have some special insight on Gado since he was his coach last year. Either way, best of luck to Morency. Time to get a running game started.
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Maybe Kubiak felt he owed Sherman one.

Sherman supposedly wanted to keep S Wand but Kubiak cut him anyway.

:jk:

I haven't noticed whether anyone has signed Wand.

This kind of musical chairs with our RBs will just fuel the espn rant on us bypassing Bush, justified or not.


:coffee:
 
Tulip said:
That's my biggest problem with this. I don't see how playing musical players is really helping the team prepare for one of the toughest games of the year.
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You're right Tulip, but maybe we just need to accept the fact that its gonna
be nasty up at Indy this week, no matter what. Actuall, we may very well be
more disappointed about the season a week from today than right now.
But rejoice ! The worst part of the season is the first half, and the last half ain't easy, but its not as challenging as this end. And the team should be more comfortable with the new offense "and" the new defense by midseason.
For awhile though, it just ain't gonna be pretty.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan said:
Wow this is making passing on Reggie Bush look even worse....
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People don't seem to understand it wasn't just Reggie Bush they passed on - it was his flashy east/west style they passed on. Kubiak's system is all about north/south runners. This scheme tends to work for teams like Pittsburgh and Denver (last year's AFC Championship contenders!!!). I'm still glad we by passed Bush (who has yet to tear up the league from day 1 the way all the media folks predicted).
What we are learning from the teams moves the last couple of weeks is that when you inherit a 2-14 team there's a lot of work to be done. I'm just glad the new regime is doing the work. It might not pay off the first two weeks of the season, but I am confident it will starting in weeks 3 and 4.
 
This is an interesting move. I liked Morency, but I wasn't attached to him. He seemed like he had some upside, but he never really proved himself to be the starter. And I don't have enough info on Gado to really form an opinion at this point.

But props to Kubiak & Co. for making bold moves. You don't pull a 2-14 team out of the gutter without some major policy shifts and player turnover.

I agree with Herv, though. This staff is still fitting peices together and is more concerned with getting it right than having to win the next game at all costs. I'm sure they want to win, and plan accordingly, but I don't think they are freaking out when we lose to a team like Philly or Indy.

In Kubiak we trust! :texflag: Go Gado!!
 
Hello Texan fans, Packer fan here!!! Samkon Gado is big, fast, and a hell of a person, the kind that you want on your team. This trade most likely will be a wash for both teams, at least initially. You probably got the best of it since Gado is younger.

We didn't run the zone blocking last year, we ran a power gap system that Sherman liked with the U-71 stuff thrown in (tackle lines up as the TE) so that's where Gado made his yards last year. We had only switched to the zone blocking with McCarthy's staff this year. Gado and Herron were the only ones who participated in the OTA's and pre-season all the way through from May to August and he still couldn't pick up the zone blocking system with all the extra reps he was getting in Green and Davenport's absence. He also got some reps as a full back too when Henderson got hurt, but that expiriment didn't last too long.It's been said by the OC that he may be too intelligent for his own good, because he sits back there and analyzes the holes before he picks one and by then it's too late, evidenced by his 2 rushes for -7 yards.

And as for Sherman, I wouldn't put any weight in any personel recommendations he makes for you guys. He traded up to pick a punter in the 3rd round who is no longer in the league.
 
green_bowl_packer said:
Hello Texan fans, Packer fan here!!! Samkon Gado is big, fast, and a hell of a person, the kind that you want on your team. This trade most likely will be a wash for both teams, at least initially. You probably got the best of it since Gado is younger.

We didn't run the zone blocking last year, we ran a power gap system that Sherman liked with the U-71 stuff thrown in (tackle lines up as the TE) so that's where Gado made his yards last year. We had only switched to the zone blocking with McCarthy's staff this year. Gado and Herron were the only ones who participated in the OTA's and pre-season all the way through from May to August and he still couldn't pick up the zone blocking system with all the extra reps he was getting in Green and Davenport's absence. He also got some reps as a full back too when Henderson got hurt, but that expiriment didn't last too long.It's been said by the OC that he may be too intelligent for his own good, because he sits back there and analyzes the holes before he picks one and by then it's too late, evidenced by his 2 rushes for -7 yards.

And as for Sherman, I wouldn't put any weight in any personel recommendations he makes for you guys. He traded up to pick a punter in the 3rd round who is no longer in the league.
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Thanks on sharing your thoughts about him.
 
http://www.sportscolumn.com/story/2005/11/27/204045/08/nfl_gb/You_Gado_Love_This_Story!

little background on him growing up


Samkon was clearly a great player, but he still wanted to be a missionary doctor in Nigeria. He decided to attend Liberty University, a Division I-AA university. Samkon was a solid running back in college, but he only started two games in his collegiate career. He played in thirty-nine games overall totaling twenty-two touchdowns on the ground and through the air during that time. His solid play as a backup running back, and his stellar play on special teams earned him a first-team All-Big South Conference pick. He was also on the all-conference academic team with a 3.66 GPA, and he graduated with a B.S. degree in health promotions.

This is where the Cinderella story really begins. What professional team would actually consider a backup running back from a small Christian School in Virginia? Samkon's coach at Liberty was Ken Karcher, a former backup quarterback to John Elway. Karcher was also an old friend with Al Saunders, the Chief's offensive coordinator. Saunders listened to Karcher's persistent pleas to give Samkon a chance. Saunders finally obliged and Samkon was invited to the Chief's training camp. Samkon really impressed the Chief's coaches and Saunders said that Samkon might be good enough to make it beyond training camp. Samkon was close to making the team, but he was put on the practice squad where he spent a few months. It probably didn't help that the people he was competing against were guys named Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson
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I'm not sure either team moved forward much with this move. Guess we will have to see how it plays out.
 
I like this trade. Morency never proved anything here, nothing. He has physical tools but hasn't converted them to rb skills. He has potential, but at 26 we can't wait for him to develop forever. Did anyone see our running game last week? And maybe Ron Dayne doesn't look as good as hoped. This guy Gado was one of the better rookie rbs last year. He has done more than Morency and is younger.
good enough trade
But as someone stated earlier this will add fuel to the "they should have took Bush" fire.
 
I have to base my opinion on the positive replys in this thread. I beleive it is a good move based on the reading. I'm also trying to keep up with the Kubiak & Co. blue prints.
 
Gado is awesome! I watched him own the field last season for the Pack, and frankly...I love this switch! I do know Morency is good, but think Gado will be better!!!!!


GO TEXANS!!!!!!
GO PACK!!
 
This is not a bad deal in my opinion. It doesnt matter where either player was drafted, or not drafted. This is a new regime, vernand morency may have been a 3rd round pick, but he has performed like a 7th rd pick. The player value is equal . Gado excelled under mike sherman, if he's healthy, i expect him to do the same here. Great move by the texans!! We now have 2 big backs to wear down the defense...if this offensive line can be a little more physical, make less mistakes we can dominate with our run to set up the playaction just like we want!!
 
if Gado has homerun speed..that is already an improvement over any RB we have had in the last few years.

Morency hadnt proven anything to me... I liked what I saw of him in preseason but it didnt translate to the field on gameday.

Kubiak has been teaching backs to hit the hole and run for years.. if Samkon is at all capable of being productive in a zone blocking scheme, we will find out here in Houston.
 
Grid said:
Morency hadnt proven anything to me... I liked what I saw of him in preseason but it didnt translate to the field on gameday.
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Did anything about the pre-season running game re-appear on game day? The blocking was horrific, and neither running back could do anything.
 
I'm glad to see Morency go because he's always been to stubborn to get cleats that keep him from slipping all the damned time :)
 
Gado had 111 yards on 26 carries in a loss against the Eagles last year. He was their best player that day.
 
is this organiztion grasping at straws for runningback help or what? first we pass on bush because we have DD then hes done for the season. we bring in antwain smith and cut him draft walli lundy make him a starter pick up ron dayne off the scrap heap and in one last move trade for gado....... hmmmm they are really making their argument for passing on bush. whats next? bring spencer tillman out of retirement..
 
FILO_girl said:
GO TEXANS!!!!!!
GO PACK!!
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alittle giddy today??? hahaha GO NFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This might be a good trade... it sounds like the coaches in GB couldnt get through to Gado and im a believer in the idea that kubes can get it done with the right type of back (in that i mean, a non "superstar", but a system back).... but you never really know what could happen, hell... morency could go up to GB and be the next.... errrr...dare i say.... reggie bush??? hahaha j/k... this thread was lacking the RB.. it wouldnt be a texan thread without it... peace
 
This trade is meaningless, just a sideways transaction.

The problem I see with the offense right now is coaching. Kubiak needs to call the right plays and then let's see if they can execute. This playing it safe crap is just like 2005 all over again.
 
Just gotta add my two cents...Of course only time will tell, but I think this could be a great trade for us. Morency never proved anything. Granted, he didn't get many chances but there has to be a reason for that.

Like many have already stated in this thread, Gado was a huge surprise for the Packers last year and very productive in his first NFL action. I recall watching him last year and being very surprised that this undrafted 5th-string RB was able to produce so well. Not only did he produce (granted it was limited action b/c of injury) but he produced on a team that wasn't much better than the Texans were last year....and he played for Sherman and w/ Flannigan FWIW. I'm not proclaiming this the "trade-of-the-year" yet...just saying don't go slitting your wrists thinking we got robbed (especially if you don't remember the way Gado ran last year.)
 
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