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Trade: Samkon Gado for Vernand Morency
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GP
Go Texans!
cbnjwill said:
I have been overly supportive of Kubiak's decision to pass on Bush.
But this is getting old. Quickly.
I suggest all of us NOT watch any of the NFL shows for the next day or two because they are going to crucify us over this issue.
If we passed on Bush just to play Fantasy Football waiver wire & trade "games" for our starting RB...then this is going to get ugly if we don't pick up some wins in the next few weeks.
You have to admit that the amount of promoting/demoting/releasing/signing/re-releasing/re-signing/trading is wearing on all of us, even the most "loyal" of Texans fans.
Come on, Texans management, get this thing right and get it done...and move on for the season. You've been shifting Mario all over the line, you've been giving our running backs false security. You ran pretty much perfect plays in the first preseason game, only to revert to some stale version of Green Bay's run block scheme and less bootlegs and playaction passes.
Quit second-guessing yourself, Kubiak. Play a season and see what you have.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
I think this move improves our team. Not because Gado is better than Morrency, but because he's a change of pace back. I mean Lundy and Morrency phisically were eerily similar. While Morrency was more productive in the pre-season he wasn't that much ahead of Lundy and that with a yr. in the league. I'm sure Morrency will do fine. I don't think Gado was brought here to be the starter. I don't think our current staff puts that much weight into the starter as how they will share the load. I just think everybody needs to calm down and see that we have improved, but it's not like we're gonna change overnight.
GP
Go Texans!
Vinny said:
IMO, the reason Gado blew up in GB last year was because he sneak-attacked opposing teams. Those teams "let up" because they felt Ahman Green out of the game meant easy pickins' for them.
Gado had the benefit of being an unknown. And, IMO, it fueled his performance because he felt like he WAS an underdog.
Now, he's coming here and clearly expecting to perform well. It's a far different scenario than what he inherited last year in GB.
Gee, when Kubiak said "nobody's roster spot is secure" he wasn't foolin'
GP
Go Texans!
dat_boy_yec said:
They have no clue which back on our team is capable of producing.
We're into the second week of the season...and we pull off a trade like this? That sends a lot of red flags up, if you ask me.
Why drag Morency through camp just for this? And why make a "lateral" move, who the heck benefits from it? Nobody.
More smoke and mirrors, if you ask me.
Not a good way to start off his head coaching tenure with us.
I'm probably going to change my signature from "Kubiak can turn water into SHiner Bock" and maybe scale it back to "Kubiak can turn water into Natural Light."
Losing....my...patience...with...the...same...old...song...and...dance...
FILO_girl
I'm not here
I think a couple posters are beginning to self destruct right in front of our eyes on this very thread.
Do I call 911 or just sit back and watch?
Its a conspiracy, everyone thought we were Denver South when actually we are secretly the humid Packers now. First Sherman, then Flanagan and now Gado...
(just messing with ya, but a couple of you are beginning to make me wonder if an NFL Intervention is needed!)
Do I call 911 or just sit back and watch?
Its a conspiracy, everyone thought we were Denver South when actually we are secretly the humid Packers now. First Sherman, then Flanagan and now Gado...
(just messing with ya, but a couple of you are beginning to make me wonder if an NFL Intervention is needed!)
GP
Go Texans!
AustinJB said:
Uhh, which BIG NAME RUNNING BACK went down with an injury and then had Lundy and Morency fill in for them?
The face of that Packers team was Ahman Green, you prepared to STOP Ahman so that you could make Favre pass all day and get 12 interceptions. Stop Ahman, and you stop the team.
So teams began to gameplan AWAY from the run and moreso on Favre. The Gado got seriously injured and was lost for the season. And now we've inherited a guy who was injured.
Yeah, someone says "Why would GB trade for Morency?"
Why would we trade a healthy guy for an injured one? It's an even trade because one guy is healthy but unproven...and the other guys is a little prven, but not 100% healthy. That's the only way this deal went down, straigh up for one another, if you ask me.
Gado will pass OUR physical with flying colors. There'll be no sign of a lingering leg injury. It'll be like nothing ever happened.
Packers get rid of an injured guy, and we give up a healthy guy.
I'm really liking this trade...........
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
gpshafer_1976 said:
Highly agree......If Morency has a breakout year, I will be sick, he was not given enough time I think, what's next Lundy on the Block, because he did not do so hot against Philly.......Come on Gary you picked the best 53 out there at the end of august, no reason to go looking for a rabbit in a hat, a new back is not the answer, it's called missed blocking assignments, 3 Eagles going against 1 texan, watch the tape again.....the backs had no where to go..........
AustinJB
Rookie
gpshafer_1976 said:
What?? Dude, I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, but since when did Ahman Green become a "BIG NAME RUNNING BACK?" He is a big name back but DD isn't? If I recall, Green has had almost as many injuries over his career as DD has.
Maybe I misunderstood your point, but you said that,
"Gado had the benefit of being an unknown. And, IMO, it fueled his performance because he felt like he WAS an underdog."
I am simply stating that Morency also had the benefit of being an unknown. Why didn't it fuel his performance b/c he was an underdog too. If I have to choose between the two, I choose Gado....it seems as if he at least has an extra desire to succeed by your own observation.
Okay, I'm done. Enough of this going around and around and around to make a point...
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
We finally get a regime that makes changes when they don't play well and the lot of you complain? What happened to "In Kubiak we trust?"
honestly im not at all worried by anything this staff has done so far. Im not regretting passing on Bush.. im not worried that we are shopping for RBs.
Everything... from trading Morency for Gado... to starting Spencer and Weary..to cutting Wand and Robaire.. to not blitzing until we get pressure from our front 4... all of this tells me that Kubiak and company HAS A PLAN. They are trying to create a system that they know will work.
I like this move because I dont think Kubiak would have done it if he felt Morency would succeed here. He apparently sees potential in Gado and decided that he would rather take a chance with him, than settle for what he knows Morency offers. Meaning.. he could make due with Morency, or take a chance on getting someone who could be a big contributor. He took the chance, and I can agree with that.
Lets not make this a bigger deal than it is. We liked Morency for his POTENTIAL.. not what he ACTUALLY brought to the table. We traded him for someone with lots of potential as well. We have lost nothing here.. and since Kube wanted Gado.. id say its more likely that we have gained.
Everything... from trading Morency for Gado... to starting Spencer and Weary..to cutting Wand and Robaire.. to not blitzing until we get pressure from our front 4... all of this tells me that Kubiak and company HAS A PLAN. They are trying to create a system that they know will work.
I like this move because I dont think Kubiak would have done it if he felt Morency would succeed here. He apparently sees potential in Gado and decided that he would rather take a chance with him, than settle for what he knows Morency offers. Meaning.. he could make due with Morency, or take a chance on getting someone who could be a big contributor. He took the chance, and I can agree with that.
Lets not make this a bigger deal than it is. We liked Morency for his POTENTIAL.. not what he ACTUALLY brought to the table. We traded him for someone with lots of potential as well. We have lost nothing here.. and since Kube wanted Gado.. id say its more likely that we have gained.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
This team was 2-14 last year . How many players worth a %#$# does it take to go 2-14 ... I'm thinking very few . How many Texans from last year do we count as building blocks , hmmm lets see theres AJ , Dunta , Pitts , hopefully Carr , possibly TJ , and under the radar Weary who benefitted by the other coaches ignoring him .
They can trade anyone else from the previous team but I don't see a market .
PapaL
Loose Screw
So let me get this straight, we trade for a guy who was the backup to the guy (Davenport) we could have signed flat out (instead on Ron Dayne)? As much as I like Gado, this move reeks of the sky is falling syndrome.
Changes in week 1.5? We just settled on the roster 2 weeks ago. I'm all for fixing something, but we have to see if its broken first.
Changes in week 1.5? We just settled on the roster 2 weeks ago. I'm all for fixing something, but we have to see if its broken first.
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
Just because the Texans lose one game, does not mean you go digging through other teams trash cans, and getting thier garbage, and bringing it home, it's called start with the O line that has been Carr's problem and the running game problem.....I think Kubiak is grasping at straws a little early....he had the 53 best players he thought at the end of August what changed his mind now........I don't know what he is mixing in the 
but this is not Denver you can not take every no name running back and make them a star, with the line we have.....Denver has a quicker and smaller line that allows them to run effective.....Spencer Tillman told everyone that on channel 13 on Sunday night........guess Gary and Mike Sherman changed the station to watch Emmit Smith dancing with the stars.......
but this is not Denver you can not take every no name running back and make them a star, with the line we have.....Denver has a quicker and smaller line that allows them to run effective.....Spencer Tillman told everyone that on channel 13 on Sunday night........guess Gary and Mike Sherman changed the station to watch Emmit Smith dancing with the stars.......I find it odd that the Packers said that Gabo could not pick up the Zone Blocking scheme, isn't that what we are running too? I have said since we got Kubiak that this is a fresh start and that we could actually be 8-8 this season, but I agree with everyone else here, Gary is grasping at straws to deflect the Accountabilty he stands so strongly behind.
Do as I say not as I do should be Kubiaks new saying.
Let's face it you can't talk yourself out of a problem you performed yourself into.
Do as I say not as I do should be Kubiaks new saying.
Let's face it you can't talk yourself out of a problem you performed yourself into.
when you spend an entire offseason with a player.. coaching, playing, and evaluating them.. then you can sit and tell them whether or not they are cutting him too soon.
as a person who has seen just as much of Morency as you have, I would say that he hasnt shown ME anything that makes me think he is indespensible.
as a person who has seen just as much of Morency as you have, I would say that he hasnt shown ME anything that makes me think he is indespensible.
PapaL
Loose Screw
I dont think anyone is saying he is indespensible, but if he wasnt worth being on roster they why didnt we make this move before and give the new guy time to run with us durning TC? We always talk about seeing what our guys have to offer, but in this case we get rid of guy who we only have limited game film on. Not mad or anything, just find the move very strange and coming out of left field.
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
LCROD said:
Highly agree with you LCROD,.........So I guess we should get rid of Mario, since he did not produce much.....
are ya that afraid of change? We have been wanting someone to come in here and actually MAKE CHANGES.. and make people accountable.. and do what needed to be done to make this a good team.. now, 1 week into the season, yall are gonna throw a hissy cause they made a "big" change (and I use the term big lightly..considering we swapped second string RBs...can you even name the second string RB on half the teams in the NFL?)
We saw an opportunity to get someone we want more. They may have been willing to trade Morency much earlier, but the opportunity didnt arrive until Gado went for -7 yards on 2 rushes.
We saw an opportunity to get someone we want more. They may have been willing to trade Morency much earlier, but the opportunity didnt arrive until Gado went for -7 yards on 2 rushes.
michaelm
vox nihili
You've certainly got everything figured out after one game.gpshafer_1976 said:
I think people need to slow down some. We were a 2-14 team just two regular season games ago.
We just traded a back up running back, and people are acting like the freakin sky is falling again.
Personally, I'm not tired of all of the promoting/demoting/releasing/signing/re-releasing/re-signing/trading... we had a crappy team, and alot of changes needed to be made.
FILO_girl
I'm not here
I have went and haunted a couple GB boards I am on...
All posters caught off guard with this news (the trade), a handful have a soft spot for Gado because of his 'story' (like us with Lundy). Few think he may have been a one season wonder. Lots think it is a straight across trade. They are now digging for all of Morency's info.
I wiped my feet and didn't leave a trail. So no trolls are my fault.
All posters caught off guard with this news (the trade), a handful have a soft spot for Gado because of his 'story' (like us with Lundy). Few think he may have been a one season wonder. Lots think it is a straight across trade. They are now digging for all of Morency's info.
I wiped my feet and didn't leave a trail. So no trolls are my fault.
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
Just don't understand it GRID, You do not see any other teams doing this 2 weeks after the 53 cut, besides the Branch thing from New England...just think it's a little early to start changing tires on a car that are not flat.....
In Kubiak we Trust died when our defense stopped the Eagles twice in a row and he called running plays and punted twice in a row. We throw we look good we run we suck, same as last year Carr sacked 5 times, same as last year, the D gets ONE sack, SO WHAT. ACCOUNTABILITY starts with the Head Coach, he lost the game since he made NO changes after half-time.
Doing the same thing the same way and expecting a different result is ( by definition ) insanity.
Doing the same thing the same way and expecting a different result is ( by definition ) insanity.
Texans86
Rookie
mexican_texan said:
Absolutely agree with this one. Morency showed nothing more than potential, and Kubiak said before the season that he had a long way to go to get away from that shake 'n bake running style. And if I remember correctly, it was Morency who completely missed a block this past weekend and ended up with Carr on his back. Finally someone is held accountable and the Message Board explodes with complaints. Football is a business, and you can't get too attached to anyone. I do not know anything about Gado, but I'm willing to give him a chance before blasting off on him. You'd think people would support the team instead of jumping to conclusions about what a terrible idea this is.
Texans86
Rookie
srstex said:
I believe in the Monday press conference Kubiak himself said they didn't adjust well in the second half. He's not making excuses, he said he screwed up. While Sherman is guiding him, he is still a first time head coach. Will he bounce back this week? I'd like to think so. We lost to a team that could go pretty far in the playoffs, and people think the sky is falling. I'd like to think Kubiak is getting paid for his expertise, and I'm not getting paid because I don't have one. Let him make his decisions as head coach.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
The question is whether this is a sign of desperation or seriousness in fixing the team.
Retooling into the season gives some of us flashbacks of *fixing* an offense on the fly last year. You know, OMG, no running game, let's grab a RB.
OTOH, the Texans have gotten into to trouble because they didn't cut bait and upgrade positions when they could.
Kubiak has said that competition at each position is serious. That he wants the best guys to do what he needs them to do, no matter how they were acquired.
Rick Smith has been brought in to leave no stone unturned for upgrading players and finding guys suitable to what they are doing.
My Denver friends have said that the key is to get Kubiak's kind of guys in place.
I leave you, with this special link, that expresses this conundrum....
in song: Frightening video, you've been warned!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA.
Retooling into the season gives some of us flashbacks of *fixing* an offense on the fly last year. You know, OMG, no running game, let's grab a RB.
OTOH, the Texans have gotten into to trouble because they didn't cut bait and upgrade positions when they could.
Kubiak has said that competition at each position is serious. That he wants the best guys to do what he needs them to do, no matter how they were acquired.
Rick Smith has been brought in to leave no stone unturned for upgrading players and finding guys suitable to what they are doing.
My Denver friends have said that the key is to get Kubiak's kind of guys in place.
I leave you, with this special link, that expresses this conundrum....
in song: Frightening video, you've been warned!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA.
DRAMA
Rookie
Grid said:
I think you hit it on the head. People on this board act like they're scared to death of anything and everything. Good Lord - I mean, "Oh, Gado was unknown so people weren't worried and then uhh...well....they planned for Favre and uhh...Gado was trying real hard......and then uhh...." So, Lundy wasn't an unknown?
If you're going to whine about every move then start a board because you all are sounding like a broken record. WAAAAHHHH EVERYTHING IS WRONG WAAAHHHHH!! KUBIAK SUCKS WAAAAAHHHHH MORENCY WAS EMMITT SMITH! WWAAAAAAHHHHH!!!
Grid was right. Somebody finally holds someone accountable and all of a sudden Kubiak's wrong because some mechanic down in the 'nickel' thinks he knows how to run a football team. Here's some advice - tune in on Sunday and just shut up for a little while. Let the Texans fans intelligently critique the moves instead buttpuckering some WAAAAHHHHH out of your backside.
If Kubiak and Sherman wanted Gado, good! I support him. If he carries for 12 yards every week then maybe one day we can start questioning this. But after 20 minutes? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
:brickwall
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
Grid said:
Hope he pans out GRID.....I love the Texans no matter who they have playing, change is good, and sometimes bad........I wish Morency the best...I tend to follow other players after they leave, to see how they turn out....another one I will be watching is Tony Hollings........All the Best to Gado and welcome to Houston.....and have a healthy season..
Texans86
Rookie
From MSN
"He'll (Gado) be joining the Texans style of offense that uses zone blocking and requires the running back to cut once and head upfield. Gado, who runs best inside, appears to fit this style better than Morency, whom the coaches thought hesitated too much in the backfield."
http://msn.foxsports.com/fantasy/story/5963954
This is a pretty good summary of what's been happening and why.
"He'll (Gado) be joining the Texans style of offense that uses zone blocking and requires the running back to cut once and head upfield. Gado, who runs best inside, appears to fit this style better than Morency, whom the coaches thought hesitated too much in the backfield."
http://msn.foxsports.com/fantasy/story/5963954
This is a pretty good summary of what's been happening and why.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Pittsburgh and Miami had an advantage in signing Najeh Davenport because if Davenport was signed before a team's week 1 game, his contract would have been guaranteed. Since the Steelers and Dolphins played their game early, they could sign Davenport to an unguaranteed contract before everyone else played their game. I actually expected Davenport here since he was in Sherman's system in GB.LCROD said:
boy ive heard these arguments before.
Definition of Insanity huh?
Ignorance: The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed
example: Saying, with conviction, that a player or coach sucks after one game
Incompetent: not qualified or suited for a purpose
example: You passing judgement on Kubiak and the Morency trade at this juncture.
Windbag: A talkative person who communicates nothing of substance or interest.
Example: The people who say they want change, and they want a good team, but then complain when change happens.
Definition of Insanity huh?
Ignorance: The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed
example: Saying, with conviction, that a player or coach sucks after one game
Incompetent: not qualified or suited for a purpose
example: You passing judgement on Kubiak and the Morency trade at this juncture.
Windbag: A talkative person who communicates nothing of substance or interest.
Example: The people who say they want change, and they want a good team, but then complain when change happens.
I'm not all that surprised by this move. I liked VM, but what he gave us Lundy can give us also.I saw Gado play a couple of times and really impressed me with his speed and toughness. The game on Sunday showed us that we need a back that can break thru an arm tackle. Gado has explosiveness and can take the ball the distance without the shake and bake. Once he gets acclimated to our system, believe it or not he's going to take alot of Dayne's PT.
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
K.D. said:
Nice Post......I can't wait to see Ron play on Sunday......I knew we would get our Heisman Trophy winner.....nice to have him here.......
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
Texans_Chick said:
Very Nice Texans Chick..........
srstex said:
I've got to go back and check, but I think our successful runs were not ZB, but Man blocking..... I don't think Kubiak is comfortable with us running the ZBS, and hasn't been since the Denver preseason game.
To me, it looks like we'll be running a ManBlocking scheme....
I still don't get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is there so much love for Vernand Morency? For whatever reason, this ENTIRE board seems infatuated with this guy, and I can't tell if its a bandwagon reaction or what. Here's what we know about him:
nothing!
He played decent last year, averaging 4 ypc which is fine.
In the preseason, he WAS ALSO AVERAGE!!! Why does everyone think he had such a good preseason?
He NEVER NEVER NEVER started a single game. That means he was ALWAYS going up against 2nd string or worse defenses. Doesn't that mean anything? Lundy went up against 1st stringers and had the same stats that Morency did. If preseason is so indicitave, why don't people realize this?
Almost ALL of Lundy's great 5.5ypc stats is ERASED if you take out his 1 big run for 40+ yards. His ypc drops to a VERY average level, especially for someone going against 2nd string defenses.
I don't know if this was a good trade or not. VM looked elusive, and I like that. But Gado has the potential to be a great runner, and has showed in the regular season he can handle 25+ carries a game.
Why is there so much love for Vernand Morency? For whatever reason, this ENTIRE board seems infatuated with this guy, and I can't tell if its a bandwagon reaction or what. Here's what we know about him:
nothing!
He played decent last year, averaging 4 ypc which is fine.
In the preseason, he WAS ALSO AVERAGE!!! Why does everyone think he had such a good preseason?
He NEVER NEVER NEVER started a single game. That means he was ALWAYS going up against 2nd string or worse defenses. Doesn't that mean anything? Lundy went up against 1st stringers and had the same stats that Morency did. If preseason is so indicitave, why don't people realize this?
Almost ALL of Lundy's great 5.5ypc stats is ERASED if you take out his 1 big run for 40+ yards. His ypc drops to a VERY average level, especially for someone going against 2nd string defenses.
I don't know if this was a good trade or not. VM looked elusive, and I like that. But Gado has the potential to be a great runner, and has showed in the regular season he can handle 25+ carries a game.