To those who want Reggie Bush...

[Erratic Assassin]

Reggie is a Heisman winner.

His chances of failing in the NFL is high.

That's nonsense! The Heisman trophy is a foolproof predicter of NFL success!

Signed,

Chris Weinke

 

[Carr Bombed]

That's nonsense! The Heisman trophy is a foolproof predicter of NFL success!

Signed,

Chris Weinke

Actually if you want to be serious about it, it is nonsense. Atleast with the theory that heisman winners have a high fail rate compared to their other counter parts selected high in the draft. The truth is that is one of the biggest misconceptions about the draft. The truth is the success and failure rate of heisman winners is about par with the success and failure rates of other high drafted players.

 

[Hervoyel]

The main arguement that I see for Bush is that we can wait on the OL. The only problem is that we have done this for 4 years, and it took us full circle back to the number one pick.

Simply not true. This team has addressed the offensive line every year since 2002 to some extent. Not everything has worked according to plan (Boselli and Young) and not every attempt to get better has been successful (Orlando Pace) but the overwhelming evidence shows that this team has taken steps to improve and was improving until a) Joe Pendry came in to take over coaching the offensive line and b) Run blocking was switched to a zone style while at the same time pass blocking assignments were changed This second part was completely downplayed at the time but it happened. The offensive line went from 76 sacks to 36 sacks and added a thousand yard rusher in 2003. In 2004 the same line again blocked enough for DD to get his thousand but they were up in the 40's on sacks. This year the run blocking is again about the same and we're in the high 60's or so.

It's not the linemen. It's the offense and pass protection assignments. It's Joe Pendry.

Number one picks also cost a lot of money for an unproven player. I wish something could be done about how much money draftees get in their respective rounds, something along the lines of "if you do this..., then you get $x.00", but the CBA has to deal with that, so it will never be addressed. Bush is an amazing talent, but his hype is what mainly pushes me away from him when we have so many other glaring needs. I will support him if we take him, but I think we would be better off by trading this pick away.

Maybe. I'll be behind anything we do with the pick (should we get it) but then of course what choice do any of us have? Go Cowboys fan? I don't think so. I'll hope they do the right thing with the picks they get for Bush's rights and I'll hope that Bush pans out if we take him.

 

[HJam72]

....but the overwhelming evidence shows that this team has taken steps to improve and was improving until a) Joe Pendry came in to take over coaching the offensive line and b) Run blocking was switched to a zone style while at the same time pass blocking assignments were changed This second part was completely downplayed at the time but it happened. The offensive line went from 76 sacks to 36 sacks and added a thousand yard rusher in 2003. In 2004 the same line again blocked enough for DD to get his thousand but they were up in the 40's on sacks. This year the run blocking is again about the same and we're in the high 60's or so.

I have to agree with the part that I've quoted, although I'd still rather trade down. I've always felt that we lost a lot of pass protection somehow right about the time that we started the zone blocking.

The biggest reason that I can see for firing Capers is that he promoted Pendry instead of firing him.

 

[DRAMA]

Okay first of all, it is entirely stupid and unfair to bush to compare him to barry and the same goes for comparing barry to bush. They aren't even the same type of runner. As far as rbs go for every "barry didn't carry the lions to a championship" argument. (which I think is unfair, he carried them from being a absolute laughing stock in the league and was a damn good player) There is a player like marshel faulk, yeah he didn't help them win a superbowl. I'm not comparing Bush to Marshall, because again it isn't fair. All I'm saying is people are starting to just make excuses why we should't take him and are really just starting to act scared.

Second people are really starting to sound hypocritical also. They say that bush isn't a sure bet and thats true no player is, but then they act if we trade down all the picks we aquire will be. Whose to say if we trade down and pick up extra picks we'll even aquire talent equivelent to bush if he ends up having a great career and all we got was maybe a above avg. player, a avg. player, and a couple of people that didn't even make the cut. Remember one of the points that was brought up in the "Barry didn't help the Lions" and the "Lions are comparable to the texans" arguments was that we had a sketchy front office, but they want to trust that same front office to pull off a trade involving one of the most acclaimed players to come out in some time, does that make any sense. Sometimes the worst pick a franchise can make is the pick they don't make.

Also how can any argue that Washington trading away Ricky helped them even if they did pick up a possible HOFer in Bailey, THEY ENDED UP TRADING HIM FOR YOU GEUSSED IT A RB (who is one of the big reasons they might be going to the playoffs) and Lavar doesn't even play for them anymore.

I would rather watch Bush become a bust or not live up to expectations, than be known as the team that traded away his rights for a starter and maybe a situational guy and a couple that aren't even on the team anymore and then had to sit back and watch him become great.

If I could get past my need to post sarcastically at those who say Bush will suck but a 3rd rounder won't - this is the post I would've tried to write.

very nice!

 

[SESupergenius]

Simply not true. This team has addressed the offensive line every year since 2002 to some extent.

putting scotch tape on a 16 inch gash on your forehead would be addressing the problem to some extent too, but I wouldn't exactly say that it will fix it. Were you one of the ones that thought P-Buc was going to make our defense faster and younger?

 

[gg no re]

Well Dan Marino never won one either and guess what he lacked? That's right, no running back to speak of. What happens to (most) QB's who lack a running game is remarkably similar to what you see with star RB's. Lots of stats and not enough wins. No trophies.

I didn't say the QB was the key to the team's success. I said the QB was key to the success of the offense.

Don't blow my lines out of proportion, because that's what you're doing.

Atleast with the theory that heisman winners have a high fail rate compared to their other counter parts selected high in the draft. The truth is that is one of the biggest misconceptions about the draft. The truth is the success and failure rate of heisman winners is about par with the success and failure rates of other high drafted players.

15 of the last 20 Heisman winners have not been impact players in the NFL.

That's the truth.

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

Let's just say that the Fresno game never happened for Bush. Better yet let's just give him normal #'s for that game. 150 rush / 45 rec / 65 total PR & KR. With 2 TD's. Now let's add about 10 more TD's to Vince Young's totals. That ought to equate to him missing most of the 4th quarters this season.

Now does Bush win the Heisman? Or is it Vince?

Then would it be OK to take him since the Heisman jinx isn't there.

Or would we still draft Vince (if he came out) regardless of winning the Heisman.

Food for thought.

 

[gg no re]

Not really.

I'd elaborate, but you'd retort with more information to waste my time.

For example:

"It still doesn't change the fact that RB is a pressing need."

"But an upgrade is an upgrade."

"Battles are won in the trenches."

"But Bush is flashy."

"OTs are acquired with 1st rounders."

"You can pick up a good OT in the 2nd round."

"You can pick up a good RB in the 2nd round or later."

"But you can't pass Bush."

"Denver RBs, for the most part, were drafted low or abandoned by other teams."

"Leave Denver RBs out of this. They benefit from a strong oline."

"Exactly my point."

"Yes, I will forfeit my argument and agree that olines are a higher priority than RBs. I acknowledge the fact that we can wait another three years for a stud RB, but we cannot wait another five years for a stud OT."

 

[jacquescas]

and what O lineman that we would draft with our first round pick will start from day 1 and solidify our line. History shows that except for the very elite (ogden, Pace) tackles take a couple years to develop, look at Robert Gallery who people were pushing for, spent a whole year on the right side. If we signed d'brick he isn't big enough to play guard for a year, and he prolly can't beat out pitts for the first year or two.

 

[Carr Bombed]

15 of the last 20 Heisman winners have not been impact players in the NFL.

That's the truth.

Actually about double of the players you have mentioned, which is 10 have made a impact in the nfl. I'm starting at 2002 and down, because both leinart and bush have yet to step on the field and white hasn't been given a chance- although I never thought he would be a good pro, that makes it about 50/50. With that said I could easily and I mean easily pull up just as many HIGH HIGH first round draft picks that have totally canned. Like I said The success and failure rate is about par with Hiesman winners and top 5 selections. If you want to really look at it arguing against a Hiesman rb really doesn't support your case. Seeing how most of the alltime greats were Hiesman winners and theres a couple still waiting to go into canton, like E. George. The Hiesman failures are extremely overated and are mostly tied to qbs not rbs

 

[Waltman]

First of all I would like to say that the Texans organization would be stupid not to draft Reggie, and they will be even stupider to draft him then trade him. People always try to find the quick fix and in doing so passes up the important pieces. That's what Reggie is, an important piece that can be built around with other important pieces. Building a successful team takes time and I don't know about everyone else but I've seen alot of college talent and
Reggie is freakishly talented. No I don't expect the Texans to make it to the Big Dance next year if we draft Reggie, but you know what. The following year we will be there drafting again and hopefully we will be putting other important pieces around Reggie. So no Reggie will not take us to the promise land in 2007, we didn't get the chance for first pick for nothing we sucked. But it's crazy to pass on him because of the failures of other teams structure and organization.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Let's just say that the Fresno game never happened for Bush. Better yet let's just give him normal #'s for that game. 150 rush / 45 rec / 65 total PR & KR. With 2 TD's. Now let's add about 10 more TD's to Vince Young's totals. That ought to equate to him missing most of the 4th quarters this season.

Now does Bush win the Heisman? Or is it Vince?

Then would it be OK to take him since the Heisman jinx isn't there.

Or would we still draft Vince (if he came out) regardless of winning the Heisman.

Food for thought.

I love Vince, I really do, but he scares gms, because they don't know what to do with him. With his size and speed peope are always going to question whether he should be a wideout and they're always going to question his arm and accuracy at the nfl level.

I hope Vince goes lower in the draft to a good team with a offensive genius that knows how to develop him and use him to the best of his abilities. With that said he has made great strides this year in the passing game and has suprised alot of people, I just hope the best for him and good luck on 01/04

 

[RedTex]

I agree!!!! The main question I keep dealing with is, should we draft #5 and possibably have another terrible season, but have him and DD to build around for years to come??? or trade the pick away to fill many of our current spots for next season??? In the long run witch would be better??

 

[Malloy]

He hasn't stayed healthy for a full season yet!! Why do people think he's the back of the future for the Texans? If we had Bush, we could make use of him and Davis.

He's played almost as many games as AJ. He also carries a much greater load, takes more hits and such.

 

[Carr Bombed]

He's played almost as many games as AJ. He also carries a much greater load, takes more hits and such.

you can't compare a rb to a wr, every rb on every team has had more contact than their wr, I don't know what point your trying to make.

 

[Txn_in_FL]

i would like to take this opportunity to point out that barry sanders was a beast in tecmo super bowl. That is all.

That is a terrible, terrible argument to start. The merits of a cyber-Sanders on Tecmo Bowl could bring down this message board. Then again a cyber-Sanders never stood a chance against the power that was Tecmo-Bo. Jackson would run and run and run. THousand yard games? No prob. If for some reason your opponent was on to you, you could always toss the other way to Allen.

Geez, see what you started.

 

[Carr Bombed]

That is a terrible, terrible argument to start. The merits of a cyber-Sanders on Tecmo Bowl could bring down this message board. Then again a cyber-Sanders never stood a chance against the power that was Tecmo-Bo. Jackson would run and run and run. THousand yard games? No prob. If for some reason your opponent was on to you, you could always toss the other way to Allen.

Geez, see what you started.

Yeah Bo jackson was a BEAST in tecmo super bowl, with the LA raiders all you had to do was take the ball to the outside and he was unstopable. ha ha. God that was a long time ago, but damn I still have fun playing that game. You dont even have to pass, run left, run right, touchdown!

 

[BigDTexansFan]

I have two words...Barry Sanders.

Sanders is one of the greatest RBs in NFL history, drafted as the third pick in the 1989 draft. He led the NFC in touchdowns scored 3 times and the entire NFL twice. He led the NFC in rushing 5 times, including his rookie season. He was an unbelievable talent that electrified the game of football.

My point is, however, where did this ultimately get the woeful Lions? The answer is one playoff victory in his 10 seasons as a Lion. Sure, the Lions went to the playoffs several times during that span, but were inevitably beaten each time in the first round.

The moral of this story is that one player cannot save a bad team by himself, and I'm afraid at this point the Texans may be a bad team in need of more than just one player. While I will not pitch a fit if Bush is selected by the Texans, I'm just not sure the move might be in their best interest. End Rant.

Texan can go you one better in 1968 worst team gets #1 pick O. J. Simpson, Buffalo lost their game, Steelers won and lost #1 pick. Buffalo never made a serious run at Super Bowl, within a decade Steelers had been to several Super Bowls.

I will take 2 Super Bowls over Reggie Bush ANY DAY!!!

 

[Carr Bombed]

hey lets compare bush to cambell since its been almost 30 years since he came into the league yeah! j/k

 

[billtxus]

Of course it depends on what they can get for the draft choice. If they get a 2006 first and second, and a 2007 first and second, in my mind they should take it. If they can't get that, or anything close, then they should pass and take him.

 

[Hervoyel]

Texan can go you one better in 1968 worst team gets #1 pick O. J. Simpson, Buffalo lost their game, Steelers won and lost #1 pick. Buffalo never made a serious run at Super Bowl, within a decade Steelers had been to several Super Bowls.

I will take 2 Super Bowls over Reggie Bush ANY DAY!!!

Yes you are absolutely correct! That's an astounding argument and one that nobody could possibly refute because we all know that what happens with the Texans in the next five years is predicated by the outcome of a game played in 1968 between the Steelers and Bills. Our future will absolutely mirror the 1970's in Buffalo and cannot in any way deviate from what happened to them.

Reggie Bush will someday murder his wife and one of her friends because of this too. It's literally a lock to happen.

 

[jacquescas]

people first of draft picks don't equate superbowls, you can't say Barry or OJ failed their teams, it was poor management that failed to put talent around these players.

 

[Hervoyel]

I'd elaborate, but you'd retort with more information to waste my time.

........ lines of quotes follow.

Pot? Is that you?

Waaaaasssssssup?

- Kettle

 

[Frills]

With all the hype Bush has now, his agent will be wanting QB $$$. With DD signed to an extension last offseason, its moronic to have 2 RB's chewing up that much cap room.

 

[gg no re]

Pot? Is that you?

Waaaaasssssssup?

- Kettle

Yeah, I hear they're painting Pots black now. HOW CRAAAZY IS THAT?!

- Pot

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Bush vs Sanders is a moot point for our current situation due to two main reasons - there was no salary cap when Sanders was drafted and there is no question that Bush is the most coveted player in this year's draft, where as Sanders went #3.

If we get the #1, perhaps the most important job will be the capologists role. With a #1 spent at QB and and a #3 at WR the impact over the years from these contracts and possibly Bush could put us in a feast or famine position. We have not been doing much feasting and that is why we need to trade down and get the best player available in the draft, for our need, at the right value, and at the same time pick up more picks. By building up the trenches we are essentially teaching ourselves how to feast, by taking an RB that high we are not learning from history that the average career is 4 years. Bush is more likely to get injured than he is to go to the Hall of Fame. To much risk given our current investment in the offense is not the way to go.

 

[DRAMA]

Yeah Bo jackson was a BEAST in tecmo super bowl, with the LA raiders all you had to do was take the ball to the outside and he was unstopable. ha ha. God that was a long time ago, but damn I still have fun playing that game. You dont even have to pass, run left, run right, touchdown!

There was also that quick slant pass that Chicago threw that was the 'glitch' play. Maybe Grossman should try that.

Techmo-Bowl tooks hours of my life in college.....LOVED IT!!

 

[SWRuss]

How do we know that Casserly will not give up our first pick in the draft for a 40 year old has been and a 5th and 6th round pick. Seems to be his pattern in dealing away good picks. Is he being paid by some other team to make these dumb moves?
Another reason to fire Casserly

 

[MorKnolle]

There was also that quick slant pass that Chicago threw that was the 'glitch' play. Maybe Grossman should try that.

Techmo-Bowl tooks hours of my life in college.....LOVED IT!!

Tecmo was pretty fun, but the best allround team was still the 49ers. It was virtually impossible to throw INTs with Joe Montana and all you had to do was down the ball at the 3 yard line on a kickoff, snap the ball on 1st down and sit back until Jerry Rice had run all the way down field and launch a 95 yard bomb for a TD every time. Then they had Charles Haley and Ronnie Lott to create a ruckus on defense, and Lott was very good at that.

 

[real]

My point is, however, where did this ultimately get the woeful Lions? The answer is one playoff victory in his 10 seasons as a Lion. Sure, the Lions went to the playoffs several times during that span, but were inevitably beaten each time in the first round.

The moral of this story is that one player cannot save a bad team by himself, and I'm afraid at this point the Texans may be a bad team in need of more than just one player. While I will not pitch a fit if Bush is selected by the Texans, I'm just not sure the move might be in their best interest. End Rant.

so you wouldn't have picked barry? One pick SHOULDN'T make or break a franchise, and it wasn't the "Barry" pick that cost the lions...Picking up reggie shouldn't send us into a downward spiral...adding a great player shouldn't hurt us more than 2-13...If we pick reggie and we go under 2-13 you win...

 

[royce1054]

so you wouldn't have picked barry? One pick SHOULDN'T make or break a franchise, and it wasn't the "Barry" pick that cost the lions...Picking up reggie shouldn't send us into a downward spiral...adding a great player shouldn't hurt us more than 2-13...If we pick reggie and we go under 2-13 you win...

Well we wouldnt go under if we get some FA signings. I think the FA is what will decide how we pick. I am sure our owner will find a way to bring in atleast 1 or 2 OL through FA. If we through Bush out there without an O-line to help in the passing game Carr wont have a chance to get him the ball. Remember weeks 2-5 when Carr would take 3 steps then look like he was gonna get killed and start running. He had a complete loss in confidence past a 3 step drop. What happens if we pick Bush and dont get upgrade our O-line. What happens if Carr does this again next year. I would even say if we get a TE that would help a little.

 

[real]

The Lions argument consists of people stating that, similarly to Barry Sanders, Reggie Bush will not in and of himself resurrect this team. Obviously, we need competent coaching and staff to surround him with

Agreed...I never said that he would bring us back from the dead...I think he is a great talent that cant be passed unless you already have a top 5 running back...AND...A great recieving core

To this most people would add, Davis is already a good back; if you disagree, fine.

He's decent...not top 5


[QUOTE=jerek]No one is saying that picking Barry Sanders screwed the Lions out of anything

]

If that's not what you all are saying, why the comparison...I agree that coacing and blah blah blah must be changed, but that has to be changed whether we get bush or not...

Bush is 20 lbs lighter than Sanders and is coming into the NFL averaging 15 carries a game. He is flashy, sure, but no one knows what the hell he is going to look like at the end of his first season.

Since college is all we have to judge any of these players off of...what is your point..the same can be said about every player in the draft..

we ought to trade the pick to bolster the rest of our roster.

That argument sounds like the one of impatience...Bush is a rare talent...we can bolster with role players later...Im talking about drafting a star...not some player that can come in and be "good"...There is plenty of time for that..I don't see a superbowl in the Texans near future so why such the rush...

Great talent, but don't reserve his HOF seat just yet. He hasn't played a down in the NFL, remember

Now you are going off on a rampage

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

Bush may be the best WR in the draft ... now you get a 2 for 1 . I thought Barry Sanders was 5'8 and 205 lbs , thats not a 20 lb difference .
I say tank and use the # 1 pick on the white RB from Rutgers ... then we have a one of kind .

 

[swtbound07]

i respectfully disagree on the tecmo bowl point. The new york giants were far and away the best team on super tecmo bowl. They had 3 solid recievers (ingram, baker, bavaro) 2 of the best running backs (meggett, anderson,) the one of the best return men (meggett), and hands down the best defensive player on the game Lawrence Taylor. You could block extra points with LT, and get about 100 sacks a season....plus the flea flicker was indefensible as a play

 

[Waltman]

The Lions argument consists of people stating that, similarly to Barry Sanders, Reggie Bush will not in and of himself resurrect this team. Obviously, we need competent coaching and staff to surround him with

Agreed...I never said that he would bring us back from the dead...I think he is a great talent that cant be passed unless you already have a top 5 running back...AND...A great recieving core

To this most people would add, Davis is already a good back; if you disagree, fine.

He's decent...not top 5


[QUOTE=jerek]No one is saying that picking Barry Sanders screwed the Lions out of anything

]

If that's not what you all are saying, why the comparison...I agree that coacing and blah blah blah must be changed, but that has to be changed whether we get bush or not...

Bush is 20 lbs lighter than Sanders and is coming into the NFL averaging 15 carries a game. He is flashy, sure, but no one knows what the hell he is going to look like at the end of his first season.

Since college is all we have to judge any of these players off of...what is your point..the same can be said about every player in the draft..

we ought to trade the pick to bolster the rest of our roster.

That argument sounds like the one of impatience...Bush is a rare talent...we can bolster with role players later...Im talking about drafting a star...not some player that can come in and be "good"...There is plenty of time for that..I don't see a superbowl in the Texans near future so why such the rush...

Great talent, but don't reserve his HOF seat just yet. He hasn't played a down in the NFL, remember

Now you are going off on a rampage

xtruroyaltyx it seems like you are one of the few sane people on this board:brickwall

 

[gg no re]

I have two dogs. One dog, I haven't fed for four days. Another dog, I just fed this morning. I SHOULD feed my four-day starving dog, but instead, I will feed my other dog again.

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: The starving dog cannibalizes the other.


I am building a house. The roof is pretty bad, but the kitchen is decent. I think I will look to improve the kitchen instead of fixing the roof.

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: The roof collapses, so I have that to fix as well.


I'm in school. I'm failing in Math, but I'm making good marks in History. I think I will devote all of my time to studying for History to achieve higher marks.

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: My transcript looks better with an A and an F, rather than a B and a C.


I have a car. My radiator is broken, and my engine is a V6. I'm going to change out my V6 for a V8, and get my radiator fixed at another time.

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: My friends are really impressed at my V8. They still ask why my car won't work though.


My turkey is almost done, and I just started cooking some vegetables. I decide to risk the turkey being burnt and tasting bad and focus my attention on the vegetables.

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: The turkey turned out to be burnt. The vegetables tasted awesome, though.


I need to go look for a job, but I got this video game I have to beat. I put off my job search and decide to finish the game over the week.

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: I beat the game, but I missed out on this one cool job.


My father could get a heart attack at any moment, but going out to the bar and picking up chicks holds higher priority.

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: Gentleman never kiss-and-tell, although my dad did have a heart attack.


With my three questions, I ask the Kwik-E-Mart owner, "Are you really the owner of Kwik-E-Mart? Really? Really?!" instead of "Can my friend get his job back?"

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: My friend saved the life of James Woods. Pretty cool.


The pot calls the kettle black.

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: The pot is silver, and the kettle presses racial discrimination accusations.


The Texans haven't invested a 1st rounder in the line for the last four years, and it looks ugly. The Texans haven't invested a 1st rounder in the RB for the last four years, and things turned out pretty cool. They should draft a RB with the first round pick this year.

THINGS TURN OUT FOR THE BEST: We all put our hopes on the new oline coach to work a miracle. In other news, Bush helped me win my fantasy football league.

 

[Carr Bombed]

I think you are about to aproach paralysis by analysis. Although ditching your dad to score, hey we've all been there.

Anyways, Back to texans football and not the roof, Davis is having knee surgery and hasn't played a full season in his career and we have a undeniable losing record when he has a big game. I wouldn't exactley say he's not upgradable. As for the Oline, I guess we have only 1 pick in the draft so lets see, hmm ethier bush or Oline, bush or Oline, wait a second! we have atleast 8 or 9 picks and this is the deepest draft in recent memory with oline players. So no its not about picking between two starving dogs. Its about feeding the sick dog that can't stay healthy and catching Alpo on sale at the local walmart (since again this is a DEEP DRAFT and there isn't much drop off in talent on the oline.)

 

[tulexan]

We lost games because AJ and DD can't put the ball in th endzone. Touchdowns are what wins games and we aren't scoring them.

 

[MorKnolle]

We lost games this year because our defense can't keep the opposing teams out of the end zone and our offensive playcalling for the majority of the year has been 60% predictable running plays, 35% short hitch routes, and 5% (probably not even that high) good passing plays that open the field and put up yards and points. Look what happened last week (against a very good defense) when we finally started looking up field, we had our two longest passes of the year (both 50+ yard TDs), another 33 yard pass to Butterfingers Bradford (who finally decided to catch some passes and try to keep his job for next year) and had three other deep routes to AJ that should have been TDs, one that Carr threw a little too far outside, one that AJ should have had if had jumped for it, and another that was overthrown by a couple yards after AJ was grabbed and slowed down by the DB. You can't tell me Bush would have done any better on those 1 yard hitch routes than AJ did or that running a check-down running play to the left side or the infamous fake reverse three times a possession would have yielded any more success with Bush carrying the ball.

People on here keep mentioning that it is a deep draft for OL so we should draft Bush and get OL help later. I must admit I had originally been a fan of this strategy and can definitely see its merit, but at the same time I personally believe we need at least two if not three new starting-quality OL to come in next year, and will need another one after next season when Wiegert leaves. There are only two OL that would be an upgrade over what we have and who are currently scheduled to be free agents at the end of this year: Steve Hutchinson and LeCharles Bentley. Both of these are interior OL and I don't see us being able to get Hutchinson, although I think we have a decent chance at Bentley, so I think we can only count on getting one worthy OL in free agency. To me, having Bush and all these linemen in the draft are an excellent set up for us to improve our offense for many years, many teams will be looking to trade up for Bush so we can acquire several extra picks and/or some veteran defensive help. There are a couple top-end OT that will be gone by the mid 1st round, we can trade down and pick one of them up to start at RT and be the future LT of our team, and with the extra picks we get we can get one or two more good interior linemen in the 2nd and/or 3rd rounds and still look for some help on defense. We need more than one 2nd round-quality OL in this offseason, and as it has been pointed out several times in various discussion threads, the vast majority of starting LTs in the league, especially the good ones, are taken in the 1st round, and most of the good OL that will be available in the 2nd round or after in this draft would be interior linemen. I think the Texans have an opportunity to pick up their stud future LT in the 1st round, and then use a 2nd and a 3rd rounder on interior OL (if we can sign Bentley then we don't need to use the 3rd rounder on an OL), and by trading the #1 pick away we can add extra 2nd and 3rd round picks to maybe get a TE or defensive players that will come in and help us next year. I would not be upset if we drafted Reggie Bush, he is a very talented athlete, although I'm not sold on him being a franchise RB and I am quite happy with our combination of Davis, Wells, and Morency although I'd like to see them used more effectively by our coaches. My point is, many people are saying since there are so many OL in this draft that we can afford to get Bush and draft an OLineman later, and I can understand this approach, but I think we need multiple good OLinemen and we can get one in the 2nd round but I don't think we can expect to pick up another two good ones after the 2nd round, and I think we could trade the #1 pick away and use the picks from that trade alone to get 2-3 starting-quality OL to fix up our OL with a lot of young talent and turn that into one of our strengths that will cotnrol the trenches for our team for the next 10 years. Either way this is all contingent on us getting the #1 pick which is far from being a certain thing, so I'll leave it at this until Monday morning when we know where we stand.

 

[tulexan]

You are right, it is a team sport, but when the players on your team can't get in the endzone and can't create separation then you are not going to win games.

The Bears have the best defense in the league, but they were struggling in every game until they got Rex Grossman back who can put points on the board.

Cincinnati has the 5th best runningback in the league with Rudi Johnson (12 touchdowns) and two good receivers with Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh who have a combined 16 touchdowns.

Jacksonville, I have no idea how they are successful. I think it is partly due to them being a decent team in the second worst division in the league.

Denver has a speedy Tatum Bell who is a very important aspect of their offense. He has only a hundred yards less than DD, yet on 70 less carries, and he has more touchdowns. The 1-2 punch of Anderson and Bell is one of the best in the league.

Patriots are the Patriots. They have a genius for a coach and are the best run team in the NFL.

Like you said, the Colts are loaded, and having multiple playmakers is a reason why their offense is so open. Do you want to stop Marvin, Reggie, Edgerrin, or Dallas? An addition of Reggie Bush could give us a poor man's Colts because we will have the weapons of Bush, Davis, Johnson, and hopefully Joppru eventually.

Giants are successful because of their "smallish back" who has had over 2000 total yards the past two seasons along with 15 and 10 touchdowns respectively, they have a big time receiver with Plaxico Burress, a big time TE with Jeremy Shockey, and a good second receiver with Amani Toomer.

I happen to believe that we need more offensive weapons on our team. Besides Andre Johnson, we have no one who demands the attention of multiple defenders. Teams try to shut down Andre and make our other players beat them, and we are not doing it. Domanick can nickle and dime us down the field, yet once we get into the redzone he appears on milk cartons and flyers across the town. We need a player who can spread the field and force the defenses to be honest. I think Bush could be that player to open up our offense and help our team play better.

 

[swtbound07]

i respectfully disagree on the tecmo bowl point. The new york giants were far and away the best team on super tecmo bowl. They had 3 solid recievers (ingram, baker, bavaro) 2 of the best running backs (meggett, anderson,) the one of the best return men (meggett), and hands down the best defensive player on the game Lawrence Taylor. You could block extra points with LT, and get about 100 sacks a season....plus the flea flicker was indefensible as a play

no love for the thread jacking?

 

[MorKnolle]

You are right, it is a team sport, but when the players on your team can't get in the endzone and can't create separation then you are not going to win games.

The Bears have the best defense in the league, but they were struggling in every game until they got Rex Grossman back who can put points on the board.

Cincinnati has the 5th best runningback in the league with Rudi Johnson (12 touchdowns) and two good receivers with Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh who have a combined 16 touchdowns.

Jacksonville, I have no idea how they are successful. I think it is partly due to them being a decent team in the second worst division in the league.

Denver has a speedy Tatum Bell who is a very important aspect of their offense. He has only a hundred yards less than DD, yet on 70 less carries, and he has more touchdowns. The 1-2 punch of Anderson and Bell is one of the best in the league.

Patriots are the Patriots. They have a genius for a coach and are the best run team in the NFL.

Like you said, the Colts are loaded, and having multiple playmakers is a reason why their offense is so open. Do you want to stop Marvin, Reggie, Edgerrin, or Dallas? An addition of Reggie Bush could give us a poor man's Colts because we will have the weapons of Bush, Davis, Johnson, and hopefully Joppru eventually.

Giants are successful because of their "smallish back" who has had over 2000 total yards the past two seasons along with 15 and 10 touchdowns respectively, they have a big time receiver with Plaxico Burress, a big time TE with Jeremy Shockey, and a good second receiver with Amani Toomer.

I happen to believe that we need more offensive weapons on our team. Besides Andre Johnson, we have no one who demands the attention of multiple defenders. Teams try to shut down Andre and make our other players beat them, and we are not doing it. Domanick can nickle and dime us down the field, yet once we get into the redzone he appears on milk cartons and flyers across the town. We need a player who can spread the field and force the defenses to be honest. I think Bush could be that player to open up our offense and help our team play better.

I understand the allure of Reggie Bush and I wish there was a more feasible way for him to join our team. I agree that our current offense has been horrible, but I think the majority of that has been our coaching and playcalling and that we do have enough weapons in place to be an upper echelon offense in this league. Jerome Mathis is emerging as a player and once he becomes a better WR (experience and better coaching are a key to this) he gives us another burner of a WR that will take attention off of Andre and will be a threat. I think Gaffney is a very capable possession WR but we don't use him right. He's not fast, but he runs routes well, finds a way to get open, and he has great hands. I think he can be as good as Amani Toomer of the Giants if given the appropriate opportunity. I think the thing that sets all of those aforementioned offenses apart is a solid offensive line that we don't have, and then competent coaching, both from a playcalling and player development perspective. I think that bringing in a new OC and system can do worlds of good for our offense and bringing in 2-3 new starting OLinemen will complete our offense and by the later part of next season when the players, coaches, and system are finally gelling together, we will have one of the great offenses in the NFL. I admit it would be nice to add another guy like Bush in there, but I think we have competent skill players in there now and the biggest pieces to fixing the problem is in the OLine and the coaches. The coaching we can fix (hopefully) regardless of what happens in the draft and free agency, but I think the best thing for the offense in terms of players would be to concentrate on fixing our OLine through free agency (LeCharles Bentley) and the draft (Eric Winston in the 1st, Davin Joseph/David Thomas/Marcus McNeil in the 2nd the best of whoever falls to us, and maybe another interior OLineman in the 3rd to replace Wiegert in a year). Our defense also clearly needs help but by trading the #1 pick (assuming we get it) we can acquire the picks to get our 2-3 OLinemen and still have all of our original picks to go after defensive players. Anyone would be a fool for saying they wouldn't want Bush on their team, but I honestly believe this is the best scenario for our team.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

What happens if we get the first pick and nobody will give us a good trade . Reggie 's hit the 4.27 for the 40 yd dash at 205 lbs and the best we can get is trade 1st and a 3rd .

The key player for trade bait is Leinert and if his stock does'nt rise we have a dilema .

What happens if Bush grades out a 10 and Dbrick is a 8.5 or Hawks a 9.0 ?

 

[Jack Bauer]

Unless we get 2 number ones (how it breaks out this year/next year, I don't care, at least one needs to be top 10) and two number twos, you don't do the deal.

We are not going to get fair value for this pick unless someone goes Ditka.

Sooooo, I predict Bush becomes a Texan!

 

[tulexan]

I don't know if Gaffney is as good as Toomer. Before Burress, Toomer was the #1 and was consistently putting up 1,000 yards per season. The closest that Gaffney has been to 1,000 is 600 last year and the most touchdowns he has ever caught in a season is 2. Gaffney is at best a #3 receiver.

 

[gg no re]

To be fair to Gaffney, Toomer wasn't playing in an offense where the call was "Dive up the middle" every other play.

 

[MorKnolle]

To be fair to Gaffney, Toomer wasn't playing in an offense where the call was "Dive up the middle" every other play.

I agree, I think Gaffney can be a very good possession receiver if we'd put him in routes that he can be successful and actually look to throw him the ball.

Unless we get 2 number ones (how it breaks out this year/next year, I don't care, at least one needs to be top 10) and two number twos, you don't do the deal.

We are not going to get fair value for this pick unless someone goes Ditka.

Sooooo, I predict Bush becomes a Texan!

Don't count on getting an extra 1st rounder and two 2nd rounders in addition to exchanging 1st round picks this year. According to the draft value chart that wouldn't be close to equal value unless the team we're trading with is pretty far down in the draft. Granted Bush will likely draw a bigger ransom than the chart would suggest, but I still wouldn't expect to get this much for him, and either way as long as we can get a reasonable offer I expect us to trade, assuming we even get the #1 pick.

What happens if we get the first pick and nobody will give us a good trade . Reggie 's hit the 4.27 for the 40 yd dash at 205 lbs and the best we can get is trade 1st and a 3rd .

The key player for trade bait is Leinert and if his stock does'nt rise we have a dilema .

What happens if Bush grades out a 10 and Dbrick is a 8.5 or Hawks a 9.0 ?

When has Bush ever run a 4.27 and when has he ever weighed 205 lbs or are you speculating that's what he'll do at the draft combine?

 

[Goldeagle]

He is only one guy and he is as of right now HYPE! Personally with the way he runs I am expecting his MCL,/ACL to be blown half way across the field.

He wont block, (something we need), he wont make open field tackles (something that we need), he cant cover the deep route (which we need) and he cant sack the QB (something we need).

O-Line: We have all known we have needed one since like game 3 of our start
Linebackers: we need legit ILB and good OLBs who can come off a block
Safeties: we need someone with speed and who does not miss open field tackles.


Man, this Reggie Bush is God or Gale Sayers is almost out of control. I just dont see the need for him with Wells and Davis.

Draft him and we basically run the ball 35 times a game with a guy who carries it at the most 17 times and we pass 10 times. Of course when we pass 10, 2 are dropped, 5 sacks, and 3 completions.

What makes Reggie the "solid" next coming? Laurence Phillips, Ki Janna Carter, Rasaam Salaam, all were going to be THE BACK! Where are they now?

 

[tulexan]

Actually Reggie is a pretty good blocker and picks up the blitz better than any other back in the draft.