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To those who want Reggie Bush...

He is only one guy and he is as of right now HYPE! Personally with the way he runs I am expecting his MCL,/ACL to be blown half way across the field.

He wont block, (something we need), he wont make open field tackles (something that we need), he cant cover the deep route (which we need) and he cant sack the QB (something we need).

O-Line: We have all known we have needed one since like game 3 of our start
Linebackers: we need legit ILB and good OLBs who can come off a block
Safeties: we need someone with speed and who does not miss open field tackles.


Man, this Reggie Bush is God or Gale Sayers is almost out of control. I just dont see the need for him with Wells and Davis.

Draft him and we basically run the ball 35 times a game with a guy who carries it at the most 17 times and we pass 10 times. Of course when we pass 10, 2 are dropped, 5 sacks, and 3 completions.

What makes Reggie the "solid" next coming? Laurence Phillips, Ki Janna Carter, Rasaam Salaam, all were going to be THE BACK! Where are they now?
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Post of the year right there! I think there are 4 of us on the board that agree on this subject. If we win this this weekend, we can forget about Bush anyway, and if we lose, the 1st pick gives us all the power in the draft. If we ended up with the 1st pick, we could trade down and load up bigtime on some picks.
 
tulexan said:
Actually Reggie is a pretty good blocker and picks up the blitz better than any other back in the draft.
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Can he run between the tackles? Can he handle the rock 25-30 times a game at the NFL level?
 
I dont mean to come across as militant about it, I am just tired of hearing so much about 1 guy!

I have yet to see him pick up a blitz though so I will be watching Vs. Texas.
 
TexanAddict said:
I have two words...Barry Sanders.

Sanders is one of the greatest RBs in NFL history, drafted as the third pick in the 1989 draft. He led the NFC in touchdowns scored 3 times and the entire NFL twice. He led the NFC in rushing 5 times, including his rookie season. He was an unbelievable talent that electrified the game of football.

My point is, however, where did this ultimately get the woeful Lions? The answer is one playoff victory in his 10 seasons as a Lion. Sure, the Lions went to the playoffs several times during that span, but were inevitably beaten each time in the first round.

The moral of this story is that one player cannot save a bad team by himself, and I'm afraid at this point the Texans may be a bad team in need of more than just one player. While I will not pitch a fit if Bush is selected by the Texans, I'm just not sure the move might be in their best interest. End Rant.:twocents:
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This is a stupid post. Yes the Texans are a bad team, yes they need more than one player. But why would you not take THE BEST PLAYER avaliable? You mean to tell me he will not help this team? You have the opportunity to take a "once in a generation prospect" you JUMP on it. Worry about your OL and other positions with the rest of the draft. We will have 4 of the top 70 picks in this draft. Don't tell me you can't get at least 1 STUD OL, and whatever other positions you need with the other 3 picks. And maybe you get lucky with a day 2 pick also...

By your rational, the Bulls should have passed on Michael Jordan because they didn't need a guard... just ask the team who drafted Sam Bowie how he worked out for them.....
 
texan279 said:
Can he run between the tackles? Can he handle the rock 25-30 times a game at the NFL level?
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How many backs carry the ball 400-480 times per season? It has happened 3 times in the modern era. Jamal Anderson in 1998 with 410 carries, James Wilder in 1987 with 407 carries, and Eric Dickerson in 1986 with 404 carries.

No one carries the ball 25-30 times every game. Now if you are asking if he can carry the ball 25-30 times in a game, of course he can. He may not be as big as Shaun Alexander or Rudi Johnson, but he is bigger than Tiki Barber, who has carried the ball over 25 times 4 times this season and over 20 times 10 times this season.

And yes Reggie can run between the tackles. He has done it many times this season. If you have watched him play in games rather than highlights you would see this.
 
gg no re said:
The Rockets passed on Michael Jordan, didn't they?
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Didn't the Rockets get that other guy? What was his name? Oh yeah, Hakeen Olajuwan, one of the best centers of all time.
 
Didn't the Rockets get that other guy? What was his name? Oh yeah, Hakeen Olajuwan, one of the best centers of all time.
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Thus, you have proved that the thought of "taking the BPA" is not neccessary.
 
How did I not specify that? If he was the #1 prospect going into the draft and the Rockets picked him with the first pick, they picked the best player available.
 
yeah a center beats out a guard everytime. the rockets made the right choice, and I'm glad how things turned out in the long run. The western conference was stacked and still is hakeem was able to put a entire team on his back and carry them. I still find it kinda funny how when the "best centers of all time" discusion is brought up he is often left on the outside. It reminds me of "the best pichers" conversations, nolan is often not even mentioned, because he played on sorry teams. To this day I have no problem saying Hakeem was probably the most COMPLETE center of all time. He was arguable the best both offensively and deffensively.

the only thing I regret is that jordan retired during the two years we won, I would of loved to see us take him down, and I believe we would of.
 
tulexan said:
Hakeem was the best player in the draft at the time
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No he wasn't. Jordan was and everbody knew it.

Houston took Hakeem because it's always smarter to have a good big man than a great small man in the NBA. Being the hometown product just made it sweeter.

Portland passed on Jordan because they already had Clyde and they also wanted a good big man (Bowie).
 
:tv: I believe Bush is listed at 5'11 and 200 lbs . I 've read where he's run below a 4.3 forty . All players show up bigger faster stronger for their pre draft workouts .

Jordan was the college player of the year when he entered the NBA draft .
 
:redtowel: If your talking about hiping a player and getting the most in a trade ... it matters alot . Millions are made and lost at those workouts .
 
So if Bush checks in 1" taller and 10 lbs heavier the team holding the top pick might be able to snag an extra 4th rounder for him?

Not likely.
 
Huge said:
So if Bush checks in 1" taller and 10 lbs heavier the team holding the top pick might be able to snag an extra 4th rounder for him?

Not likely.
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The sad thing is that, that is true, if bush was 1 inch taller and 10 pounds heavier people wouldn't be questioning his durability issues. The draft is all about numbers and the better the numbers the more money you make, or in this case the more your worth, like a extra 4th round pick
 
Carnell Williams was drafted ahead of Cedric Benson.

Cedric is bigger and displayed a ton of durability in college.

If durability was related to size, Warrick Dunn wouldn't have a job in this league. It's a misconception that's used way too much.
 
Huge said:
Carnell Williams was drafted ahead of Cedric Benson.

Cedric is bigger and displayed a ton of durability in college.

If durability was related to size, Warrick Dunn wouldn't have a job in this league. It's a misconception that's used way too much.
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thats not necessarily true, you have to look at the team that drafted caddilac, which was a WEST COAST OFFENSE. They felt Caddilac was the best fit for that team and he is proving they were right. Cedric wasn't half the receiving threat he was (wich you have to be to be a WEST COAST RUNNING BACK) and also this has nothing to do with size, Cedric unfairly had a precursor over his head of being linked to Ricky williams (and nothing will crash your draft status liked being linked to that guy, especially last year) and although he has great power I never thought he had the "game" speed to succeed at the pro level. As far as Dunn, that has absolutly nothing to do with the draft, (atleast not with top draft prospects) he has proven that he belongs, but wasn't a highly sought after pick like bush. Also with cedric people were afraid he had to many miles and carried the ball to much, he certainly didn't do himself any favors by starting off his pro career with a injury that sent him out for the season, also Cedric didn't have the speed. Like I said size and speed. I never thought Cedric was going to be a great pro. Having said that about Dunn, Players who are taller and carry more weight and can still move at elite speed are ALWAYS going to command more attention in the draft. If you want a great example of this than just look at matt jones. He never played his posistion before yet people say a 6 foot somthing guy who ran a 4.3 and he was immediatly bumped into the first round. All people care about in the draft are numbers and the higher the numbers the higher the hype and the higher the draft selection or the more they are worth like a extra 4th round selection
 
Huge said:
Carnell Williams was drafted ahead of Cedric Benson.

Cedric is bigger and displayed a ton of durability in college.
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thats funny, I thought Benson was drafted ahead of Carnell Williams :brickwall

and as far as durability look who is carrying the load for his team now :rolleyes:
 
beerlover said:
thats funny, I thought Benson was drafted ahead of Carnell Williams :brickwall

and as far as durability look who is carrying the load for his team now :rolleyes:
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RB order from last year: Ronnie Brown, Benson, Caddie. 2,4,5 respectivly.
 
Our secondary is young and inconsistant, our pass rush is weak (with the exception of the last few games), our pass protection is terrible, our conservitive play calling is ticking me off, and there's no way that all of these things will get fixed from this draft. It's about building a great unit. This is our chance to get the most outstanding player in the draft and we are going to pass him up in hope of a miracle. The o-line will get there in due time, but there's alot more problems than the o-line.:texflag:




:penalty: what do you mean holding
 
tulexan said:
How many backs carry the ball 400-480 times per season? It has happened 3 times in the modern era. Jamal Anderson in 1998 with 410 carries, James Wilder in 1987 with 407 carries, and Eric Dickerson in 1986 with 404 carries.

No one carries the ball 25-30 times every game. Now if you are asking if he can carry the ball 25-30 times in a game, of course he can. He may not be as big as Shaun Alexander or Rudi Johnson, but he is bigger than Tiki Barber, who has carried the ball over 25 times 4 times this season and over 20 times 10 times this season.

And yes Reggie can run between the tackles. He has done it many times this season. If you have watched him play in games rather than highlights you would see this.
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Bush is 6-0, 200
Barber is 5-10, 200

Being two inches taller and weighing the same amount is not really considered being bigger. Yes he is taller but it means he is of slighter build.

Huge said:
No he wasn't. Jordan was and everbody knew it.

Houston took Hakeem because it's always smarter to have a good big man than a great small man in the NBA. Being the hometown product just made it sweeter.

Portland passed on Jordan because they already had Clyde and they also wanted a good big man (Bowie).
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Hakeem was actually considered by most to be the best player in the draft, Jordan was the best athlete and possibly had the most potential but Hakeem was considered the better player at the time. Houston also already had Ralph Sampson at center and decided to try the twin towers experiment that never really worked out for them. As for Portland, I understand looking for a big man, but Sam Bowie? Having Clyde and MJ together would have been just sick.

Huge said:
Carnell Williams was drafted ahead of Cedric Benson.

Cedric is bigger and displayed a ton of durability in college.

If durability was related to size, Warrick Dunn wouldn't have a job in this league. It's a misconception that's used way too much.
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Benson was drafted at #4 and Cadillac was drafted at #5. Ronnie Brown went at #2 if that's who you were thinking of. As a side note I was hoping Benson would go #2 to Miami and have the two Texas RBs sharing the spotlight over there. The Heisman winner that quit on his team and the man who was supposed to replace him in college and the NFL would have made for an interesting combo.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Jordan was the college player of the year when he entered the NBA draft .
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Being college player of the year is irrelevant. Jameer Nelson was college player of the year in 2004 but he was picked much lower than Emeka Okafor who was picked #1.
 
tulexan said:
Being college player of the year is irrelevant. Jameer Nelson was college player of the year in 2004 but he was picked much lower than Emeka Okafor who was picked #1.
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Then apparently winning the Heisman is irrelevant too. Anyways, let's get back to football discussions rather than college basketball.
 
Winning the Heisman is irrelevant because college success doesn't necessarily translate to professional success.

By the way, if Reggie Bush is saying that he is rooting for the Niners this week, does that mean that he wants to come to the Texans?
 
Carr Bomb said:
thats not necessarily true, you have to look at the team that drafted caddilac, which was a WEST COAST OFFENSE. They felt Caddilac was the best fit for that team and he is proving they were right. Cedric wasn't half the receiving threat he was (wich you have to be to be a WEST COAST RUNNING BACK) and also this has nothing to do with size, Cedric unfairly had a precursor over his head of being linked to Ricky williams (and nothing will crash your draft status liked being linked to that guy, especially last year) and although he has great power I never thought he had the "game" speed to succeed at the pro level. As far as Dunn, that has absolutly nothing to do with the draft, (atleast not with top draft prospects) he has proven that he belongs, but wasn't a highly sought after pick like bush. Also with cedric people were afraid he had to many miles and carried the ball to much, he certainly didn't do himself any favors by starting off his pro career with a injury that sent him out for the season, also Cedric didn't have the speed. Like I said size and speed. I never thought Cedric was going to be a great pro. Having said that about Dunn, Players who are taller and carry more weight and can still move at elite speed are ALWAYS going to command more attention in the draft. If you want a great example of this than just look at matt jones. He never played his posistion before yet people say a 6 foot somthing guy who ran a 4.3 and he was immediatly bumped into the first round. All people care about in the draft are numbers and the higher the numbers the higher the hype and the higher the draft selection or the more they are worth like a extra 4th round selection
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Bottom line is this, nobody is going to care if Bush shows up at 5'11, 195 instead of his listed 6'0, 200. If a bigger, stronger, faster RB shows up at the Combine that came out of nowhere, do you think he'd be picked over Bush?

beerlover said:
thats funny, I thought Benson was drafted ahead of Carnell Williams

and as far as durability look who is carrying the load for his team now
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But good point about the durability. Williams is still playing. Benson is on the sidelines...despite being the bigger RB.
 
:twocents: If Bush shows up at 210 and runs a 4.27 ... the NFL people will pee all over themselves . If he shows up at 195 and runs a 4.27 then they'll question his durability .

There is no way Bush shows up under 205 . Going with this train of thought I bet DBrick shows up at 310 .
 
If Bush runs a 4.27 it wont matter how big he is. someone will find a spot for him. I doubt he runs that fast. I mean the kid is fast, but 4.27 is mathis, deion, daryl green type speed. I have seen these guys run first hand and have seen Reggie run he is not as fast as either of them. He is quick from side to side though so maybe he will put up a phenominal Shuttle. I doubt he works out much though the top picks usually dont, even though ronnie Brown and Caddy did and it shot them up the charts.
 
:redtowel: I read where Reggie was the third fastest sprinter in California his senior year . Thats being a part time track guy .

I think with Bush its a no brainer he's fast . The thought was 5 lbs or sub 4.3s mean a ton . Stanford Routt hit a sub 4.3 last year and went from a possible free agent to a 2nd round pick .
 
OK earl so you are saying he will add lbs. and run int the low 4.3s. I got ya now. I thought your were saying he was as fast as the guys I listed above.
 
:tv: No , Reggies fast with great vision . He's not in the elite speed group but he's in the next class .

What was Derrick Johnson's playing weight at Texas and his combine weight ? I think it went from 235 to 242 , while running a 4.5 .

I bet if DBrick shows up at 315 and pumps 225 about 25 times and is still nimble he will be the # 2 on paper prospect .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:tv: No , Reggies fast with great vision . He's not in the elite speed group but he's in the next class .

What was Derrick Johnson's playing weight at Texas and his combine weight ? I think it went from 235 to 242 , while running a 4.5 .

I bet if DBrick shows up at 315 and pumps 225 about 25 times and is still nimble he will be the # 2 on paper prospect .
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I hope an OLineman will get more than 25 reps in the bench press, that's not a whole lot for a stud OLineman, and I seriously doubt he can show up at 315 but we'll have to wait and see.
 
Mork I aggree. A stud O-linemen better give me more than 25 reps, hell some safeties put that up. Braylon Edwards and Roy Williams(WR) put up close to that. I expect D'Brick to give me 28-32. I doubt he gains 25lbs before the combine though. the guy is only 290 right now and it was said he had even gone down to 285. That is alot of weight to put on in a short time and still be able to do the things he can do. I put on 15lbs of muscle once and it reduced my speed some, so I would think it would do the same to him.
 
Tony Mandrich? Of all people to cite you pick him. BAD BAD CHOICE.

I wonder how much DBrick effects our running game since I keep hearing he's way better at pass blocking than at run blocking. I mean does that mean he's just average? Can he not clear the way? I wonder and at only 285 there some DE who are as big as him unless of course we zone block our lives away.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Tony Mandrich? Of all people to cite you pick him. BAD BAD CHOICE.

I wonder how much DBrick effects our running game since I keep hearing he's way better at pass blocking than at run blocking. I mean does that mean he's just average? Can he not clear the way? I wonder and at only 285 there some DE who are as big as him unless of course we zone block our lives away.
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Dbrick isnt some shutdown blocker. Darryl Tapp had a field day against him earlier this season.

We need to realize the guy is no Pace, most of his hype is off of "potential" because he is the right build for a franchise LT. but the fact is he hasnt played nearly to the level of a top 3 pick this season. we'd be drafting off of potential, which means we're going to have to wait a few years to see any good results.
 
Stevo I think, yeah this is one of the first times I have agreed with you and damnit you make a sweet point. You obviously have been watching games and not going on hype even though I think you are a Bush supporter not sure on that so dont eat my lunch if you are not. D'Brick is solid, but Virginia does not run to his side because he is not overly good at Run blocking. He also lacks that nasty nature that the best OLs have. Right now in the game against Minnesota he is looking great except in runblocking.
 
Huge said:
Bottom line is this, nobody is going to care if Bush shows up at 5'11, 195 instead of his listed 6'0, 200. If a bigger, stronger, faster RB shows up at the Combine that came out of nowhere, do you think he'd be picked over Bush?
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Ah no, we were talking about trade value? I was simply saying that if a player has special numbers, size, speed, ect. It drives up the asking price, like a extra 4th rounder.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:tv: Alex Barron did 225 lbs 19 times , Khalif Barnes did 225 lbs 26 times . Tony Mandritch put on 25 lbs of muscle easily .
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Some people can do it, but Ferguson has a history of having problems keeping weight on (dropped to 260 or 265 last year), so I don't see him being able to add 25-30 pounds in two months. I can't imagine Barron only did 19 reps unless he wasn't really trying hard at the combine and knew he could do better for individual workouts. Either way, 25 reps for an OL is not impressive to me, I'd want to see at least 30 out of someone who is supposed to be our stud OT to anchor our line around.
 
Coach C. said:
D'Brick is solid, but Virginia does not run to his side because he is not overly good at Run blocking.
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Does that mean that we won't be able to do our audible anymore if we pick him?
 
Carr Bomb said:
Ah no, we were talking about trade value? I was simply saying that if a player has special numbers, size, speed, ect. It drives up the asking price, like a extra 4th rounder.
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I'm talking about a specific player's (Bush) trade value. When you're going to the be the top pick in the draft, your stock can't go much higher. Any team with a lick of sense is not going to offer an extra pick if he clocks a 40 .04 seconds faster than expected at 1" taller and 10 lbs heavier.

I realize "a player" can increase his value by improving his "stats".
 
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