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The Rise of Hannah

powda said:
Who? Provide a link.
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There were a lot of us that wanted Mahomes at the time if I recall correctly:

xtruroyaltyx said:
For the life of me I do not get these comparisons.

When I watch Mahomes I don't see anything like Manziel. IMO, Mahomes is 10x the qb johnny was coming out and he could easily end up being the top guy in this class.

Mahomes actually sits in the pocket and makes throws in a timely manner most times. He actually steps up into the pocket instead of looking to bail when a throw isn't immediately available.

He only averaged 2 yards per rushing attempt. Besides designed runs the guy rarely starts running around creating a scramble drill situation. He throws the ball away and takes sacks instead of free lancing and trying to make crazy plays.

I really could not disagree with the manziel comparison more. They are just both mobile and need mechanic work coming out work but they play the position nothing alike.
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TexansBull said:
The results showed that OB cost Alabama a championship.

I don’t know why you defend him.

Watson and OB were Dumb and Dumber.
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Georgia had an all time dominant team. Bama won the 1st game and probably would have won the 2nd game of Metchie, Williams hadn't blown out their ACL's. As it was they hung with Georgia into the 4th quarter.
 
steelbtexan said:
He got jumped in the draft, which happened on a semi regular basis.

When it comes to QB's BOB was proven correct.
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He didn't get jumped in the draft. You're acting like gms have 5 others gms on the phone and they're waiting on the best deal with the clock running. Not to mention, all trades have to go through league office before time run out also. These trades are laid out days and sometimes weeks in advance especially in the 1st rd. Andy Reid had the target at 10, RS had the target at 12. Those respective gms didn't know the targeted player just compensation laid out if their player isn't there.
 
JB said:
No one on this board knew anything about an extra 3rd rd pick at the time of the draft. Has anyone other than McClain purported this to be factual? Do we REALLY know that Buffalo called Houston and offered 10 if the Texans would match Chiefs offer?
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No gm operates like that, its not enough time.
 
leebigeztx said:
So playing Bama back to back and should've won both by Clemson doesn't mean anything huh?
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It means plenty

Saban has built a great program, but Smart is doing what Saban used to do. Kelly and Hueppel are on par with Saban now on the recruiting trail. PM me and let me know how the visits went.
 
JB said:
They showed that they had pretty much agreed on a deal before they (Arizona) were on the clock
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I was replying to a statement about not having enough time. There’s nothing saying a team can’t call another team until one of them is on the clock.

For the Mahomes/Watson trade picking 10/12, there was plenty of time.
 
thunderkyss said:
For the Mahomes/Watson trade picking 10/12, there was plenty of time.
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That's assuming they had the parameters of a deal worked out. And why would the Texans explore moving to 10 when they had a deal in place to move to 12? Who figured either QB would go before then?
 
JB said:
That's assuming they had the parameters of a deal worked out. And why would the Texans explore moving to 10 when they had a deal in place to move to 12? Who figured either QB would go before then?
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Just saying, time wasn’t a factor
 
I will put Young up against anybody not named Burrow over the last decade as a college QB. He really impressed me a couple of years ago bringing his team back to win in a rivalry game against Auburn.
 
steelbtexan said:
I will put Young up against anybody not named Burrow over the last decade as a college QB. He really impressed me a couple of years ago bringing his team back to win in a rivalry game against Auburn.
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Wait a minute. Isn't this another case of you loving the QB the Texans didn't draft? I might be mistaken but before the draft, weren't you making midget porn posts, quoting no QB his size has ever won a championship, McNairs were going to draft him for marketing purposes and you didn't want the Texans to draft him?
 
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Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. Isn't this another case of you loving the QB the Texans didn't draft? I might be mistaken but before the draft, weren't you making midget porn posts, quoting no QB his size has ever won a championship, McNairs were going to draft him for marketing purposes and you didn't want the Texans to draft him?
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Exactly, just because he's a great QB in college, doesn't mean I want the team I root for to draft an outlier. This doesn't mean he wasn't a great college QB. Surely you can understand this.

I don't want them to draft a QB this year. If they just had to draft a QB I wanted them to draft either Young/ Hooker. or Bennett.
 
Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. Isn't this another case of you loving the QB the Texans didn't draft? I might be mistaken but before the draft, weren't you making midget porn posts, quoting no QB his size has ever won a championship, McNairs were going to draft him for marketing purposes and you didn't want the Texans to draft him?
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Earl steps back, looked around the room with a smirk on his face and dropped the mic.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Earl steps back, looked around the room with a smirk on his face and dropped the mic.
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Earl apparently doesn't realize the difference between the college game and the pro game. You can be great at one and not good at the other for various reasons. There are plenty of examples of this. So maybe Earl needs to pick the mic back up.

How long do you think Young's career is going to last?
 
steelbtexan said:
Earl apparently doesn't realize the difference between the college game and the pro game. You can be great at one and not good at the other for various reasons. There are plenty of examples of this. So maybe Earl needs to pick the mic back up.

How long do you think Young's career is going to last?
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So BO'b is good at developing College QBs, BYoung being the only example, but not necessarily at the NFL level since their are no examples, other than the pervert he enabled.
 
thunderkyss said:
So BO'b is good at developing College QBs, BYoung being the only example, but not necessarily at the NFL level since their are no examples, other that the pervert he enabled.
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Young was the only QB he had a chance to develop other than Hackenberg. The one yr BOB worked with Hack he was a consensus 1-1 until the bottom fell out after BOB left. So BOB did a good job of developing QB's in the college game.

How he developed Derrick is up to how you think of BOB. But I will tell you this a QB doesn't lead the NFL in passing without some level of above avg coaching . Savage was a long shot 4th rd pick.
 
cuppacoffee said:
Been watching too many Jason Borne movies?

:coffee:
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steelbtexan said:
Young was the only QB he had a chance to develop other than Hackenberg. The one yr BOB worked with Hack he was a consensus 1-1 until the bottom fell out after BOB left. So BOB did a good job of developing QB's in the college game.

How he developed Derrick is up to how you think of BOB. But I will tell you this a QB doesn't lead the NFL in passing without some level of above avg coaching . Savage was a long shot 4th rd pick.
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Wow. BOB spent a year with Hackenberg and two years with Young and you are ready to crown him a QB whisperer? Did you also write Easterby's resume?

Here is a great story. It took BOB 10 minutes to realize his starting QB wasn't in a meeting.

 
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Earl34 said:
Wow. BOB spent a year with Hackenberg and two years with Young and you are ready to crown him as doing a good job developing QBs? Did you also write Easterby's resume?

Here is a great story. It took BOB 10 minutes to realize his starting QB wasn't in a meeting.

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Both Young and Hack were projected to be drafted 1-1 after working with BOB. Those were the only 2 college QB's that BOB worked with and he only worked with Hack for 1 yr. Who knows how Hacks career would have turned out if he had worked with BOB for 2-4 years.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Both Young and Hack were projected to be drafted 1-1 after working with BOB. Those were the only 2 college QB's that BOB worked with and he only worked with Hack for 1 yr. Who knows how Hacks career would have turned out if he had worked with BOB for 2-4 years.
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Were you employed with Korn Ferry when the Texans hired BOB? We should change this thread title to the "Rise of BOB".

I think that Hack hype was media driven by the early Penn State success and BOB being a former NFL OC. In 2013, under BOB, Hack threw 20 TDs and 10 INTs. Two years after BOB left, he threw 16 TDs and 6 INTs. Yes, he was a freshman, but those numbers does not scream consensus 1-1. Hell, Hack had accuracy issues and even under BOB, he only completed 59%.

As far as Young. BOB was running the same offense that all recent Alabama QBs were running. Young performed in that offense at the same level as Tua and Mac Jones. I don't want to minimize that BOB didn't help these QBs. However, you are really embellishing his resume.
 
Thorn said:
My contempt for OB almost approaches that for Watson. That's bad. Easterbutt is up there as well, but ranks a little lower than OB and Watson.
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My contempt for the utter inconvenience through 2 different regimes of RS is even greater.
 
Earl34 said:
Were you employed with Korn Ferry when the Texans hired BOB? We should change this thread title to the "Rise of BOB".

I think that Hack hype was media driven by the early Penn State success and BOB being a former NFL OC. In 2013, under BOB, Hack threw 20 TDs and 10 INTs. Two years after BOB left, he threw 16 TDs and 6 INTs. Yes, he was a freshman, but those numbers does not scream consensus 1-1. Hell, Hack had accuracy issues and even under BOB, he only completed 59%.

As far as Young. BOB was running the same offense that all recent Alabama QBs were running. Young performed in that offense at the same level as Tua and Mac Jones. I don't want to minimize that BOB didn't help these QBs. However, you are really embellishing his resume.
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I don't understand the 1st paragraph.

The media did it. 😂

That's exactly what you're trying to do, they weren't running the Kiffin system under BOB, same as they weren't running the Kiffin system under Sark. But carry on.
 
Lucky said:
I believe she went UH. Business Administration. She was a financial advisor when she met Cal.
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In that interview on 610. She said she was working for a company and her boss was Cal's friend. The company had an event at NRG and then Cal called their office and ask for her. She thought he was calling to complain about something, but it was to ask her out for Valentine. Cal saw her and courted her.
 
Lucky said:
TexansBull said:
Their mother taught them well…

Why is it you can’t find any information on Hannah? Where she went to college for example?

It’s like she is a Russian spy or something. Did she have her past wiped from the internet?
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I believe she went UH. Business Administration. She was a financial advisor when she met Cal.
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I personally believe she magically materialized from the sprinkles on Cal's birthday cake when he made a wish. 🍰 🧚‍♀️
 
steelbtexan said:
I don't understand the 1st paragraph.

The media did it. 😂

That's exactly what you're trying to do, they weren't running the Kiffin system under BOB, same as they weren't running the Kiffin system under Sark. But carry on.
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You really think BOB went to Alabama and implemented his ED offense? They are running Saban's vision of the modern college offense that is a combination of RPO, Air Raid and spread concepts. Kiffin started the offensive conversion with ideas from Mike Leach, Art Briles and even Sark. Then each OC after has added their play calling philosophies and tendencies to that base playbook. They are not overhauling Saban's playbook or how he wants his offense to function. They are executing and tweaking what Kiffin, Saban and even Sark designed.

With BOB and Young gone, Saban is again wanting his OC to change tendencies. Based on what we know of the BOB's offense. Does the lack of play action sound familiar?

"Before O'Brien was calling the offense, Alabama ran significantly more play-action under former coordinator Steve Sarkisian. Quarterback Mac Jones threw off play-action 46.7% of the time as opposed to 53.3% of non-play-action passes in 2020, according to Pro Football Focus. In 2019, Tua Tagovailoa had a play-action percentage of 46.5%."

"Even under former coordinator Mike Locksley in 2018, Tagovailoa finished with a play-action percentage of 41.2%. That's a stark contrast to Young's play-action percentages at 25.4% (2022) and 30% (2021). Why might someone such as Saban desire more play-action and overall greater variety in play types and concepts than Alabama has had recently? Simply put, it makes life more difficult for defenses."

Explaining Nick Saban's desire for Alabama football to be more balanced (tuscaloosanews.com)

Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin and the year that changed Alabama football forever - ESPN
 
Earl34 said:
You really think BOB went to Alabama and implemented his ED offense? They are running Saban's vision of the modern college offense that is a combination of RPO, Air Raid and spread concepts. Kiffin started the offensive conversion with ideas from Mike Leach, Art Briles and even Sark. Then each OC after has added their play calling philosophies and tendencies to that base playbook. They are not overhauling Saban's playbook or how he wants his offense to function. They are executing and tweaking what Kiffin, Saban and even Sark designed.

With BOB and Young gone, Saban is again wanting his OC to change tendencies. Based on what we know of the BOB's offense. Does the lack of play action sound familiar?

"Before O'Brien was calling the offense, Alabama ran significantly more play-action under former coordinator Steve Sarkisian. Quarterback Mac Jones threw off play-action 46.7% of the time as opposed to 53.3% of non-play-action passes in 2020, according to Pro Football Focus. In 2019, Tua Tagovailoa had a play-action percentage of 46.5%."

"Even under former coordinator Mike Locksley in 2018, Tagovailoa finished with a play-action percentage of 41.2%. That's a stark contrast to Young's play-action percentages at 25.4% (2022) and 30% (2021). Why might someone such as Saban desire more play-action and overall greater variety in play types and concepts than Alabama has had recently? Simply put, it makes life more difficult for defenses."

Explaining Nick Saban's desire for Alabama football to be more balanced (tuscaloosanews.com)

Nick Saban, Lane Kiffin and the year that changed Alabama football forever - ESPN
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All I will say is under BOB the Bama offense put up plenty of points. I will also say I saw some of what the Texans used to run being run at Bama. The offense/QB play was good enough to get a midget drafted 1-1.

This is going nowhere because you cant accept the fact that the 3 QB's BOB has worked with (Hack rumored to be 1-1 after 1 yr with BOB and probably would've been if BOB had hung around for a couple more yrs.) Young (Drafted 1-1 despite being the ultimate outlier) Derrick (Lead the NFL in passing and got the most out of his ability despite being a dumbazz.)

These are the facts and you can try to explain the facts away all you want but the facts dont change. BOB was a terrible GM, an avg HC and a really good QB coach.
 
steelbtexan said:
My contempt for the utter inconvenience through 2 different regimes of RS is even greater.
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Why?

I will take Rick Smith mediocrity over the nuclear destruction that was OB and Watson everyday and twice on Sunday.

At least when the team was handed over to OB it was a few players away with draft picks and salary cap space.

When the team was handed over to (forgot his name) there was no money, no draft picks, and few NFL players.
 
steelbtexan said:
All I will say is under BOB the Bama offense put up plenty of points. I will also say I saw some of what the Texans used to run being run at Bama. The offense/QB play was good enough to get a midget drafted 1-1.

This is going nowhere because you cant accept the fact that the 3 QB's BOB has worked with (Hack rumored to be 1-1 after 1 yr with BOB and probably would've been if BOB had hung around for a couple more yrs.) Young (Drafted 1-1 despite being the ultimate outlier) Derrick (Lead the NFL in passing and got the most out of his ability despite being a dumbazz.)

These are the facts and you can try to explain the facts away all you want but the facts dont change. BOB was a terrible GM, an avg HC and a really good QB coach.
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Agree this is going nowhere. So, let's agree to disagree. Because "rumored to be 1-1 and probably would've been" are not facts. They are speculation. It's similar to the speculation that if Mills spent another year in college, he would be a first-round pick. Pure speculation.
 
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