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The NFL is rigged!

I'm not supporting the NFL TV broadcasts anymore.
The ratings can keep dropping into the abyss.

I'll still support the Houston Texans though. But I won't watch the games on CBS, FOX, ESPN. etc... etc...

I may tune into the local radio broadcast instead.
Also the NFL.com YouTube channel: I unsubscribed.

I'll never forgive that unfair crap we saw in Mexico City. Roger Goodell is a joke as a comissioner for allowing that nonsense to happen with part-time officials who likely made a lot of money "fixing that game" to cover the spread in the Raiders favor. It's bad enough he took so long to take domestic violence seriously. Now his product on the field and TV ratings have become garbage.

I'm actually a Donald Trump fan all of a sudden because he is always right most of the time (I have to admit). He called it back in 2012 and 2013 when he made several tweets and negative comments about Roger Goodell and the NFL. He called the NFL a soft sport and a rigged game. He was also glad he didn't purchase the Buffalo Bills because he knew the NFL TV ratings were about to take a major nose dive.

I'm trying to get all of my buddies to give up watching NFL games on TV for the rest of the regular season. At least until the playoffs start. A few of them will join me and listen to the Houston Texans game on the radio on Sunday as we barbecue it up and have some fun.

We need to take a stand and show those in charge "WE WANT CHANGE!" Absolutely ridiculous. I re-watched the game by the way, just to make sure it was really that bad. I counted 12 plays (12 PLAYS!) in which I felt the Texans were slighted for various reasons. And most of them happened at critical moments, with us driving and in position to increase our lead. A two-score lead we were on the verge of taking multiple times as well.

By not being able to have a big lead, like we should have had, it allowed the Raiders to pull that game out 27-20 with a couple of big play TDs in the fourth quarter. We should have easily had over 30 points in this game had the officials just gave us a fair shake.

Nevertheless, on to the Chargers game. I'll be listening on the radio. Roger Goodell can kiss my a$$. His TV ratings are about to become even worse if I can help it.
 
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JCTexan said:
Even if the call was correct there has to be a rule change...
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I don't disagree; I said something similar several pages back. My comments are directed to the rules as they currently are and the proper officiating of these current rules.
 
Rich Schmidt said:
the puff of chalk comes from inside the field of play. I cant say it is chalk when the inside of his shoe puffs the same as the one near the sideline, some hazardous waste is in the grass
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Field Turf has little pieces of rubber in it so it will "puff" anywhere on the field.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
I'm not supporting the NFL TV broadcasts anymore.
The ratings can keep dropping into the abyss.

I'll still support the Houston Texans though. But I won't watch the games on CBS, FOX, ESPN. etc... etc...

I may tune into the local radio broadcast instead.
Also the NFL.com YouTube channel: I unsubscribed.

I'll never forgive that unfair crap we saw in Mexico City. Roger Goodell is a joke as a comissioner for allowing that nonsense to happen with part-time officials who likely made a lot of money "fixing that game" to cover the spread in the Raiders favor. It's bad enough he took so long to take domestic violence seriously. Now his product on the field and TV ratings have become garbage.

I'm actually a Donald Trump fan all of a sudden because he is always right most of the time (I have to admit). He called it back in 2012 and 2013 when he made several tweets and negative comments about Roger Goodell and the NFL. He called the NFL a soft sport and a rigged game. He was also glad he didn't purchase the Buffalo Bills because he knew the NFL TV ratings were about to take a major nose dive.

I'm trying to get all of my buddies to give up watching NFL games on TV for the rest of the regular season. At least until the playoffs start. A few of them will join me and listen to the Houston Texans game on the radio on Sunday as we barbecue it up and have some fun.

We need to take a stand and show those in charge "WE WANT CHANGE!" Absolutely ridiculous. I re-watched the game by the way, just to make sure it was really that bad. I counted 12 plays (12 PLAYS!) in which I felt the Texans were slighted for various reasons. And most of them happened at critical moments, with us driving and in position to increase our lead. A two-score lead we were on the verge of taking multiple times as well.

By not being able to have a big lead, like we should have had, it allowed the Raiders to pull that game out 27-20 with a couple of big play TDs in the fourth quarter. We should have easily had over 30 points in this game had the officials just gave us a fair shake.

Nevertheless, on to the Chargers game. I'll be listening on the radio. Roger Goodell can kiss my a$$. His TV ratings are about to become even worse if I can help it.
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To be honest, I followed the game on a NFL.com drive chart thing, I'm sure another website (like ESPN) does this too. I was much less stressed for the duration of the game and might just keep doing something like that.
 
Brandon420tx said:
To be honest, I followed the game on a NFL.com drive chart thing, I'm sure another website (like ESPN) does this too. I was much less stressed for the duration of the game and might just keep doing something like that.
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This is what I've started doing.
 
ROO said:
Concerning the blown whistle stopping the play: I seem to remember that sometimes things that happen after the whistle are allowed to count upon review. For example, a fumble that occurs right as the runner is going to the ground. Ref on the field calls the runner down by contact and blows the whistle while the ball is coming out. Mad scramble for the ball ensues after the whistle has blown. Defense recovers. But refs on field say the ball belongs to the offense. Play is reviewed and overturned, ball goes to defense. So action after the whistle is allowed to stand. Am I right?
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That is easy to correct.

However, on the Hopkins play you would have to bring in geometry and physics into the equation, and that isn't practical. You can't say the whistle was blown at the 36 yard line, but Hopkins ran it is; however, if Raider player A hadn't slowed down after the whistle while he was at the 33 yard line running at a 25 degree angle from the sideline at 19 mph he would have caught Hopkins at point X or in the end zone. How do you do that? You can't, which is why the play is ruled dead at the whistle. To let play continue on afterward, is inviting injury to players.
 
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yes, that is usually the case, and I have never understood why they run so close that a misstep will cause them to go out of bounds
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Look at the play a week and a half ago, with the Donks and Saints where there was a question whether the Donk stepped out after blocking the extra point. They need to add four camera's looking down the sidelines from either direction.
 
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I was there and I thought they were spotting the ball horribly all night. I remember a few times we had a some drives that we had a lot of "9 yard gains" and I was thinking "BOB challenge that man.." and we would run the next play and pickup the first down regardless..but it all came to a head on that last drive. Just so infuriating to lose this way.


Couple days later, back in the states and I am still bitter.
 
I don't understand the presumptuousness of Raiders fans posting their "Cry me a river" sentiment here. News flash: This is a Texans forum. We don't care about your baggage.
 
I used to laugh at the conspiracy theories of fans accusing refs of getting paid, then I read a chapter from the Tim Donaghy book.

If I -- as some nobody watching on TV -- can make the right call in real time and on replay, then I expect professionals to to get it right (This same reasoning applies to a coach having no excuse for missing a challenge opportunity).

I don't think the Hopkins TD call was enough to justify suspicion of the refs, but I do think the series of incorrect first down spots were. Those are the calls the NFL needs to answer for.
 
So ... If the Mexican Mafia got into the pockets of, or struck fear into folks to have the Raiders win this game, then those they bought or threatened would have to include one Bill O'Brien. Even with the calls, we had a chance to win ... except for him.

Horrible play calls - poor clock management - even worse game management - idiotic challenge decision.

I do not see how any Texans fan after his tenure here can consider hire hiring a success.

However back to the topic, if there has ever been a NFL game I might entertain was rigged ... this one probably is the one.
 
Cerberus said:
That's the problem and the NFL knows it. If they screw over one team, nobody but that team's fans will care.
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The way today's NFL is designed (parity) this isn't entirely true. I can't say with certainty the bad officiating cost HOU the game, because anything can happen on a single play. But as an example, let's just say it did.

It not only impacts these two teams, but there is a ripple effect for the other teams in the division and even playoff seeding for the conference.
 
Brisco_County said:
...I don't think the Hopkins TD call was enough to justify suspicion of the refs, but I do think the series of incorrect first down spots were. Those are the calls the NFL needs to answer for.
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I don't think I've chimed in with my 2 cents on the Miller wildcat play at the 4:48 mark of the 1st Q.

This is a tough call because it takes two video clips to make a determination.

Replaying the game tape in slo mo, Mack is on his back on the turf with Miller on top of him and with Mack rolling forward pulling Miller to the ground. This view shows the ball past the yellow line but it is not quite conclusive as to when Miller actually was down.

But then, with the up close replay, it clearly shows Miller on top of Mack and not being down as they roll over until the roll is complete. But in this view, the ball is not visible in relation to the yellow line.

You have to combine the viewing of both footages to get a correct call. But from the original game footage, the ball is past the yellow line at the end of the roll over.

OB didn't challenge the spot, but do the replay officials go through mental gymnastics like this to make a decision or does it have to be conclusive in a single video clip?
 
Supertoad said:
I never believed it. I always thought the NFL had certain storylines they wanted to promote, and did things to push an agenda... but I didn't think the games were literally rigged by officiating.

Tonight that changed. The calls made were absolutely insane. The worst of course was not giving us a fourth down both times when video replay clearly showed we had the first down by a sizeable margin.

The nfl wanted the raiders to win in Mexico; period. The refs were going to oblige.

What is the point of watching games if they are stolen? One or two bad calls I can handle but tonight was beyond understanding.

A message needs to be sent to change things. This is unacceptable . What can we do as fans to make a stand against this travesty?
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Stop it you sound like a Raide fan the past 13 years...
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Raiders pillaged the Texans..
 
kingtexan said:
However back to the topic, if there has ever been a NFL game I might entertain was rigged ... this one probably is the one.
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Im not a big conspiracy theory person as well. But what I found extremely odd was after the Hunt challenge, the review was extremely quick AND they didn't re-spot & measure at all.

What I find even more odd was none of the Texans appeared pissed and already knew that call wasn't getting overturned. I mean it doesn't take much for BOB to get mad.
 
Brisco_County said:
I don't understand the presumptuousness of Raiders fans posting their "Cry me a river" sentiment here. News flash: This is a Texans forum. We don't care about your baggage.
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Well, probably because this Raider fan lives in Houston and has been posting on this site for the past 6 years. Also, do you really like circle-jerks where everyone posting is in absolute agreement with each other, or do you occasionally like opposing views? I know I usually defend opposing team's posters when the come to the Raider board as long as they aren't acting like fools, because it does give me a different perspective. Besides, I'd rather argue with another team's fans.

Oh, and you do realize that "Cry me a Rivers" is Phillip Rivers nickname, right? And that you all are playing the Chargers next, right?
 
Cerberus said:
Well, probably because this Raider fan lives in Houston and has been posting on this site for the past 6 years.
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Irrelevant to the point.

Cerberus said:
Also, do you really like circle-jerks where everyone posting is in absolute agreement with each other, or do you occasionally like opposing views?
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Irrelevant to the point.

The point: The "Now you know how Raiders fans feel" argument is irrelevant in a Texans forum.

Argue the officiating, not some abstraction like sports karma because you want to vent about past injustices that only pertain to you.
 
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Irrelevant to the point.
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Actually it isn't, you just choose to stick your fingers in your ears because you don't care to hear about what else goes on in the NFL to other teams, which is a problem. If you only worry about bad officiating when it affects the Texans, and don't stand with the other fans when they get dubious calls against them, then you're part of the problem with today's NFL. For the past 40 years Raider fans have been pointing at the officiating and how the NFL has used the officials to exact revenge upon the Raiders. Like you, nobody seemed to care. The NFL took notice, and now they're doing to other teams as it suits their purposes, because they know the fans won't back one another. You are a case in point. Think about it, your Texans lost to my Raiders in your opinion because of poor officiating, and you're mad at me, not the NFL. I'm telling you to get mad at the NFL, and together maybe we can change things.
 
Brisco_County said:
Irrelevant to the point.



Irrelevant to the point.

The point: The "Now you know how Raiders fans feel" argument is irrelevant in a Texans forum.

Argue the officiating, not some abstraction like sports karma because you want vent about past injustices that only pertain to you.
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^^^^^^ This! ^^^^^^

Cerberus, you've posted on this board for awhile now (2010). Why I don't know since you're a Raiders fan. But, you have to realize that being a fan of any team that has been to and won a SB or, in the Raiders case multiple SB's, but complains that the refs are against them or that they always get bad calls, well, it just falls on "deaf ears." You won't get any sympathy here brother! It would be like a Pats fan complaining about always getting bad calls to a Browns fan. You just can't relate! Sorry man, that's just the way it is!
 
Insideop said:
^^^^^^ This! ^^^^^^

Cerberus, you've posted on this board for awhile now (2010). Why I don't know since you're a Raiders fan. But, you have to realize that being a fan of any team that has been to and won a SB or, in the Raiders case multiple SB's, but complains that the refs are against them or that they always get bad calls, well, it just falls on "deaf ears." You won't get any sympathy here brother! It would be like a Pats fan complaining about always getting bad calls to a Browns fan. You just can't relate! Sorry man, that's just the way it is!
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That's cool, I can appreciate that. But understand, just like the game against the Bucs where the Raiders got flagged an NFL record 23 times, they still found a way to win. That is what was so cool about the 70's era Raiders. The refs would penalize them left-and-right, and they found a way to overcome and beat both the refs and the other team. At the same time I can appreciate that I have less to complain about than you when it comes to winning SBs. Oh, and Kenny Stabler was so much more likable than Tom Brady.

The reason I post here is because I live in Houston, and I usually post over on the NSZ Board. So naturally, when the Raiders play the Texans, or I want to discuss something Texan related, I come over here. Besides, I like the Texans; I just happen to like the Raiders more.
 
Cerberus said:
That's cool, I can appreciate that. But understand, just like the game against the Bucs where the Raiders got flagged an NFL record 23 times, they still found a way to win. That is what was so cool about the 70's era Raiders. The refs would penalize them left-and-right, and they found a way to overcome and beat both the refs and the other team. At the same time I can appreciate that I have less to complain about than you when it comes to winning SBs. Oh, and Kenny Stabler was so much more likable than Tom Brady.

The reason I post here is because I live in Houston, and I usually post over on the NSZ Board. So naturally, when the Raiders play the Texans, or I want to discuss something Texan related, I come over here. Besides, I like the Texans; I just happen to like the Raiders more.
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Now that we can agree on! :highfive:
 
The league wanted parity way back when and that in turn make officials more revelent..


In the 80s. Leagues learned about the "jordan " rules

Fans come to see the players. It generates money for the leagues ,for merchandise.

I getting cynical in my old age
 
Cerberus said:
That's cool, I can appreciate that. But understand, just like the game against the Bucs where the Raiders got flagged an NFL record 23 times, they still found a way to win. That is what was so cool about the 70's era Raiders. The refs would penalize them left-and-right, and they found a way to overcome and beat both the refs and the other team. At the same time I can appreciate that I have less to complain about than you when it comes to winning SBs. Oh, and Kenny Stabler was so much more likable than Tom Brady.

The reason I post here is because I live in Houston, and I usually post over on the NSZ Board. So naturally, when the Raiders play the Texans, or I want to discuss something Texan related, I come over here. Besides, I like the Texans; I just happen to like the Raiders more.
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The Raiders usually earn their flags and more :D

I used to love watching the Raiders play (except against the Oilers) because they didn't care about the rules or anything else. They had some great characters... and Madden
 
Little torn on this. I can appreciate how the raiders are the most penalized in the history of the nfl but that doesn't make Monday's loss hurt any less. Instead of arguing "it's your turn" it should be "the officiating needs to be corrected."

Honestly, i just feel more and more numb with every loss. I find myself less eager to waste half a Sunday watching the texans. I cant remember the last time i bragged about my team.
 
powda said:
Little torn on this. I can appreciate how the raiders are the most penalized in the history of the nfl but that doesn't make Monday's loss hurt any less. Instead of arguing "it's your turn" it should be "the officiating needs to be corrected."

Honestly, i just feel more and more numb with every loss. I find myself less eager to waste half a Sunday watching the texans. I cant remember the last time i bragged about my team.
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For years I've been in favor of full-time paid officials that can be fined/docked for bad calls, and I also believe the officials should be available to the media for comments. But hey, that's just me. Then again, I don't trust a billion dollar industry that is self-policed to be squeaky clean; I expect a little chicanery, graft, bias, etc., which is why I want the officials to at least be made available for interviews and comments.
 
Cerberus said:
For years I've been in favor of full-time paid officials that can be fined/docked for bad calls, and I also believe the officials should be available to the media for comments. But hey, that's just me. Then again, I don't trust a billion dollar industry that is self-policed to be squeaky clean; I expect a little chicanery, graft, bias, etc., which is why I want the officials to at least be made available for interviews and comments.
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They're paid $190k now. They don’t have to have 2nd jobs. And every play and crew is reviewed and they get fired. Don't know where this mythology of part time unsupervised hacks comes from. Watching 10000 more hours of tape in the 8 mos football isn't on isn't going to improve your eyesight or spot of the ball. Bad calls happen and no system will prevent that.

If they were getting the rule wrong I could understand the complaint more.
 
Cerberus said:
For years I've been in favor of full-time paid officials that can be fined/docked for bad calls, and I also believe the officials should be available to the media for comments. But hey, that's just me. Then again, I don't trust a billion dollar industry that is self-policed to be squeaky clean; I expect a little chicanery, graft, bias, etc., which is why I want the officials to at least be made available for interviews and comments.
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infantrycak said:
They're paid $190k now. They don’t have to have 2nd jobs. And every play and crew is reviewed and they get fired. Don't know where this mythology of part time unsupervised hacks comes from. Watching 10000 more hours of tape in the 8 mos football isn't on isn't going to improve your eyesight or spot of the ball. Bad calls happen and no system will prevent that.

If they were getting the rule wrong I could understand the complaint more.
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Interesting.
 
infantrycak said:
They're paid $190k now. They don’t have to have 2nd jobs. And every play and crew is reviewed and they get fired. Don't know where this mythology of part time unsupervised hacks comes from. Watching 10000 more hours of tape in the 8 mos football isn't on isn't going to improve your eyesight or spot of the ball. Bad calls happen and no system will prevent that.

If they were getting the rule wrong I could understand the complaint more.
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Here are a couple of articles that contradict your statement that NFL Officials are full-time.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/11/09/
http://static.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1248329.html
 
Until the officials are full time NFL employees, subject to the same public stat keeping as players on their performance, things aren't going to change. And everything should be challengeable for the Red flag from the HC, every decision made on the field.
 
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Until the officials are full time NFL employees, subject to the same public stat keeping as players on their performance, things aren't going to change. And everything should be challengeable for the Red flag from the HC, every decision made on the field.
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I think the coaches should have more challenges, BUT if they are wrong they get hit with a 5 yard delay of game penalty also. There would also have to be some kind of control over the use, so coaches won't start throwing the red flag as a way to get an extra time out or clock stoppage. Still, I think tying a delay of game penalty to a bad red-flag has always appealed to me.
 
I view comparing the poor officiating Monday night to the frequency of Raiders flags as apples to oranges. The Raiders brought on the excessive flags by playing their own set of rules, and taking pride in it. Kareem's first few years he was flagged excessively for PI, many, many times unjustly. But his issue was not locating the ball, thus officials targeted him for his playing style, much like the Raiders teams.

The calls against the Texans were very black and white non judgement calls. I accept that every once in a while these black and white type injustices will happen, however 5 or 6 blatant b/w blown calls in one game screams motive.
 
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Until the officials are full time NFL employees, subject to the same public stat keeping as players on their performance, things aren't going to change. And everything should be challengeable for the Red flag from the HC, every decision made on the field.
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The NFL more than any sport reviews plays, admits mistakes, publishes ref stats. They're paid easily more than "full time." Things aren't going to change because they're people and make mistakes. Even back when I was a Cowboy fan and just watching the Oilers as a 2nd Texas team, Earl should have had a TD but a line ref was running with his whistle in his mouth, accidentally blew it. Sh!t happens.
 
I remember when this subject of the NFL potentially controlling outcomes of games came up.....a non-transparent vehicle to potentially changing fate.

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Suspicions remain high about NFL's communication with referees
Dec 17, 2015
  • Kevin SeifertNFL Nation

The possibility has existed, and been anticipated by many, since the NFL outfitted its officials with wireless communication last year. In a world where conspiracy theories erupt by the minute, it was easy to wonder: Who is talking to the referees? What are they saying? And why?

This week the NFL codified a limited expansion of communication for the postseason between referees and members of the league's officiating command center in New York. In a press release, the league said vice president of officiating Dean Blandino, or his designee, will consult not only on replay reviews but also on "administrative" issues "regarding the correct application of playing rules" such as penalty yardage and clock operation.

It insisted that Blandino "will not call or change a foul or become involved in on-field judgment calls beyond what is already part of the replay review process," but here's a dirty little secret: Many people in the officiating community aren't buying it and remain highly suspicious of the true purpose and use of the wireless communication system.

The theory has been advanced by none other than Mike Pereira, one of Blandino's predecessors who now works as an analyst for Fox Sports. In an interview this week, Pereira reiterated his belief -- which he first voiced in September -- that Blandino or a member of his staff has been whispering in the ears of referees for some time.

The league has denied it, but Pereira -- still highly respected in the football community -- said: "Of course they're going to say that publicly because it was against the rules."

Pereira added: "There's really no context in the rule book [before this week's expansion] for allowing the replay official or New York to give any input [beyond replay], so it's not something they would acknowledge. But really, to think that it wasn't happening is probably being very, very, very naive."

It sounds like on-the-field referees will be getting more information from New York in the playoffs.
The upside of this week's announcement is that it will minimize the possibility of an embarrassing mistake in a playoff game. If a referee loses track of downs, as Pete Morelli's crew appeared to do in a Week 12 game between the Cardinals and 49ers, Blandino could catch and correct it. If a clock operator allows time to run off in error, Blandino could restore it. From my perspective, as discussed in September, this expansion provides a painless safety net for the most correctable errors.

The bigger question: Where could this modification lead? Questions of consistency, accountability, motive and transparency grow more complicated upon the introduction of a new dynamic.

"I would hope they'll limit this to correcting only the most egregious of errors," said retired NFL referee Gerald Austin, now an ESPN analyst. "I don't want to sound critical, but there have been some inconsistencies in the decisions that New York has made on replays this year. So what would you be doing? Would you just be shifting the inconsistency you may perceive on the field for the inconsistency from New York?"

On a philosophical level, Pereira said, the questions grow more basic. Officials are in place to be the objective, uninfluenced third-party administrators of games. What would it mean to introduce the possibility of, in essence, a wizard pulling levers behind the curtain?

"Everything up to the point of putting the earpiece into the referee's ear," Pereira said, "has been accountable. It was what you saw on the field. A conversation with someone in New York, that's the unknown. I would understand a coach being concerned about that. How do you know what's being said? How do you know they're only covering the plays that are reviewable? And what are you left to think if they have that in place and still miss something?"

Said former NFL official and supervisor Jim Daopoulos: "If they're going to be in the ears of the officials, how do you determine who is accountable? Say an official makes a call on the field and the flag is picked up, as happens from time to time. Is it picked up because the crew got together and decided it needed to be, or was it because someone in New York doesn't like the call?"

Indeed, nearly every NFL fan base -- and some team owners -- have taken turns assuming the league plays favorites. (The issue was covered extensively in this ESPN investigation into Deflategate.) Blandino already has experienced the assumptions caused by the most minor of mistakes -- TMZ cameras caught him last year exiting a bus owned by Cowboys owner Jerry Jones during a night out in Los Angeles -- and Pereira believes the wireless connection during games will only fuel future concerns.

"Basically, what it looks like is that the league office is making decisions on who possibly wins or loses the game," Pereira said. "You could go back to the old theory of the conspiracy of the Raiders, that the league didn't like [former owner] Al Davis and all the stuff that went along with it.

"All of a sudden, decisions that were being made on the field or in the stadium, all of a sudden are being made in the league office. That seems to be the wave of where this is going. Things have changed so much, but this ... strive for perfection really isn't attainable. I wish I could be effusive in praise of all of the changes and the technology, that it can make things better.

"Maybe I will someday."
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The possibility has existed, and been anticipated by many, since the NFL outfitted its officials with wireless communication last year. In a world where conspiracy theories erupt by the minute, it was easy to wonder: Who is talking to the referees? What are they saying? And why?
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I think the most likely scenario is that Mr. Robot hacked the headset vs Raiders and is behind the decline in NFL ratings this year.
 
Cerberus said:
I think the coaches should have more challenges, BUT if they are wrong they get hit with a 5 yard delay of game penalty also. There would also have to be some kind of control over the use, so coaches won't start throwing the red flag as a way to get an extra time out or clock stoppage. Still, I think tying a delay of game penalty to a bad red-flag has always appealed to me.
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Like wresling (the greco-roman stuff). You can challenge, but if you lose the challenge, the other wresler gets points.... Love it :)
 
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Like wresling (the greco-roman stuff). You can challenge, but if you lose the challenge, the other wresler gets points.... Love it :)
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Exactly. I don't mind giving coaches as many challenges as they need, as long as there are repercussions when they are wrong.
 
JB said:
The Raiders usually earn their flags and more :D

I used to love watching the Raiders play (except against the Oilers) because they didn't care about the rules or anything else. They had some great characters... and Madden
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It was the Raiders with the famous sign over the exit of their lockerroom that said "If you're not cheating, you're not trying". It's no wonder they have the history they do with an owner that encouraged breaking the rules.

powda said:
Little torn on this. I can appreciate how the raiders are the most penalized in the history of the nfl but that doesn't make Monday's loss hurt any less. Instead of arguing "it's your turn" it should be "the officiating needs to be corrected."

Honestly, i just feel more and more numb with every loss. I find myself less eager to waste half a Sunday watching the texans. I cant remember the last time i bragged about my team.
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tbh, watching the Texans is no longer a fun, entertaining experience. I watch out of obligation and loyalty as a Texans fan, but the entertainment consumer side of me finds this to be perplexing.
 
Double Barrel said:
tbh, watching the Texans is no longer a fun, entertaining experience. I watch out of obligation and loyalty as a Texans fan, but the entertainment consumer side of me finds this to be perplexing.
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I don't think I could stand it knowing the Texans are on TV and I don't have my TV on, but then I don't watch half the game sometimes. I normally have the TV on mute and am doing other stuff during the game now, not really paying attention like a real fan would, just checking in to see what the score is and if the Texans are doing anything worthwhile. Which these days, the Texans doing stuff that makes for worthwhile viewing is rare.

Hell, I got more fannish milage from crapping on the officials this time than anything about the Texans, which is not a real good sign for the state of my fandomness.
 
Yeah, it's hockey and baseball in my world with football a distant third. This year football has broken whatever faith I had left. College and the NFL are rigged to the point that it is no longer to be taken serious.
 
After watching the 2 or attempt tonight, I have to agree. Blow to the head, hands to the face or face masking could've all been called on that blatantly obvious penalty.


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After watching the 2 or attempt tonight, I have to agree. Blow to the head, hands to the face or face masking could've all been called on that blatantly obvious penalty.


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Only 4-6 qb's in the league get that call on the most important play of the game. Bradford isn't one of them and neither is oz.

Still, not saying it shouldn't have been called. Pretty blatant.
 
If that was Brady, the defender would have been drawn and quartered! Not to mention that Brady would have turned around and yelled at the ref until he threw his flag.

Hell, Prescott would have got that call. You know, the Cowboys and all that!

What will happen is Blandino will come out and say that Corrente did NOT have the proper angle to make the call. He couldn't see the blow to the head, blah, blah, blah! It's crap.
 
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