Also don't see JD tanking his own trade value.
In fact he's handled the entirety of his contract situation with maturity and dignity. Which also happens to fly in the face of the anti-Clowney crowd who think he's a lazy, malcontent bad egg.
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Also don't see JD tanking his own trade value.
In fact he's handled the entirety of his contract situation with maturity and dignity. Which also happens to fly in the face of the anti-Clowney crowd who think he's a lazy, malcontent bad egg.
ShinobiMusashi
Waterboy
Unless we score a big Herschel Walker style deal id actually like to see us keep Clowney at least another year.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
We need Clowney next season. I hate the idea of trading him away for picks... The only way that should be a viable option is if they are getting very good offers and are able to (essentially) replace him in free agency with a good pass rusher/disrupter.
That's just the narrative that posters were saying before Clowney was even drafted. They will never admit they are wrong. Clowney does jump offsides and fail to hold the edge sometimes. But never question his work ethic. Guys dont make it back to the level of play he's achieved with the injury he had with a poor work ethic.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Completely agree. There's no way Clowney plays as he does as a sloth.
Toro Bravo
Rookie
My acceptance to trade Clowney depends on the return. I would want a 1 or 2 round draft pick plus a good player to fill a position of need.
However, my biggest concern with trading him would be the availability of JJ Watt. Yes, he is healthy now but his style of play (110% every down) and increasing age raise the concern for injury. If Clowney is traded and JJ is injured, our D line pass rush is inadequate.
However, my biggest concern with trading him would be the availability of JJ Watt. Yes, he is healthy now but his style of play (110% every down) and increasing age raise the concern for injury. If Clowney is traded and JJ is injured, our D line pass rush is inadequate.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I think AB won that one... by a wild margin. He went from a non-guaranteed contract to 33m guaranteed. Pittsburgh lost and the Raiders paid a LOT.
Raiders paid a 3rd and a 5th... PLUS 33m.
I’m impressed... and a bit worried as to how that deal went down will impact any JaDevon deals.
It's apples and oranges.
One guy is a WR while the other a defensive edge player and 5 years younger so not comparables.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
It most definitely applies. I’m not referring to a position player. I’m referring to the fact that a player was able to beat out the owners. Other players regardless of position are going to notice and try to throw -their- weight around.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Raiders are throwing money around like its going out of style, that can't last long and most other teams can't and/or won't follow them on that. If the players are smart, or at least have decent agents, they'll look instead at what happened to Bell. He may still get paid but not sure you can say he won that stare off even if he does. Really it has only been a couple of teams, mostly Raiders, that are making all these waves and there are more players than there are spots or money on that team. At some point reality will have to sink in again.
Mercilous???? Also don’t sleep on echofor (sp?) We have good run defenders all over this defense. It would be nice to have a speedy edge rusher. Barr or Houston would be a nice for cheaper. I like clowney and want to keep him but this draft is deep and if we could get a first and second I would seriously think about it. I would like to see what we could get for Mercilous. I would jump all over a second and would seriously consider an early third.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
No one is giving a second round pick for mercilus.
And I really like Duke, but yeah...no I don’t think he nor mercilus can provide what Clowney does.
Neither of those guys even commands a double team. Mercilus is a JAG at this point and Duke isn’t even that.
Mercilous just doesn’t have a position with clowney. But you’re right about not getting a second for him.
We have no idea what we have in Duke. Hoping he has a big jump in his second year. He has the best pass rushing ability on this team other than Watt. Can’t wait to see him in pre season.
Of course neither are going to give you what clowney does but you add them plus another first and second round pick this year and it’s a little more doable. I know not likely but just sayin.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Im sure JD is sitting around watching Tre freaking Flowers get 17Ms per year and think that his team is doing right by him. Pffff LOL how I could forget his knee only has 126 days of life left.
Clowney is not playing on that tag and risk the kind of stupid money being thrown around. I hope the Texans realize that.
badboy
Hall of Fame
this has been my position if Clowney is traded and we get a first and second and maybe a fifth (Raiders?). I think Jaylon Ferguson is same type and size player. 6'5" 260. 64 tackles with 26 for loss, 17.5 sacks + 9 QB hurries, 2 forced fumbles, 3 passes broken up in 13 games. High ceiling.
Trading Merci needs to bring no lower than a third. Many good players in round three.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Well Dee ford to the 49ers
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...o-acquire-dee-ford-if-they-agree-on-new-deal/
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...o-acquire-dee-ford-if-they-agree-on-new-deal/
Texazan
Our HOF 34
If we did move Merciless and got a 3rd I'd be shocked. Coming off injury (loooong recovery) he was pretty much non-existent.
Max
Veteran
Not sure I'm following. You think Clowney sits out if asked to play on the tag and forces a new contract?
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Lol at what you think Clowney's trade value is. We'd be lucky to get a first rounder.
Easily a first and third.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
1st and swap 4's
No. It starts with a 1st and 3rd imo
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Not in mine. Not a big deal either way.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I think we could get a 2nd rounder and maybe a 4th type of package if we were lucky. That was the best that the Pats offered for AB and that was the best anyone did I think. AB has way more of an impact than what Clowney has on a team. What other player at Clowney's position has gotten great trade value like a 1st and a 3rd around Clowney's level of production? Clowney is good. DOn't get me wrong. But he is a player that a team will likely overpay and they know it. They normally aren't going to give up strong value picks for a player that may be good but likely will underperform on his contract. For example, if Clowney were a FA right now, him and Tre Flowers would compete to be the highest paid DE likely. They'd both get contracts paying them around $18 Mill a season or something like that. Clowney doesn't have near the impact to pay that. Teams that are really desperate and have a lot of cap space may overpay for a guy like that and only intend on paying for about 3 years of it.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Texans should be looking at trading Clowney now while they can still get value for him. I don't see this roster as it currently stands being able to compete for a SB without making some other significant moves. Trading Clowney could give them the draft picks they possibly need to rebuild the secondary and the Oline a lot faster. There is a lot that needs to be done at this point.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Any first rounder alone would be awesome for Clowney. At the very least you could just replace Clowney's position with a younger stud that you could pay the lower salary to. Clowney is simply not a game changing player like that. Whoever signs him I speculate will end up with a situation like the Chiefs had with Justin Houston.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Clowney’s production may equate to 1st round value but his injury report would diminish his value in a trade. Other teams interested know this.
Texas Jake
Rookie
How did that work out for Bell?
Yep, you can't ever recoup that lost money
We have direct comps
Mack--the best edge player
Dee ford- good, emerging edge player
IMO, Clowney is positioned between these to in terms of value that he should get in terms of draft picks and contract value...who he is closer to is a really good discussion.
Was he hurting enough to cost himself XX million?
banned1976
sleeper mode
Bell left 14.5 million on the table. That’s how much his pride was worth.
There are insurance policies for millionaire athletes too
My speculation is that he and his agent gambled that Pittsburgh FO would cave and lost
...and he also wanted a larger percentage of the contract to be guaranteed money.
It wouldn't have been a surprise to me if Pittsburgh's plan was to squeeze one more season out of Bell then kick him to the curb for Connor
look, us old farts are of a generation that wouldn't dream of "leaving money on the table". Especially that kind of money.
These younguns don't think like that. They want to control their future. And remember he reluctantly signed the franchise tag the year before thinking THIS year the Steelers would come thru with a long term deal. Instead, they went franchise tag again. It looked like the Steelers were going to keep stringing him along (for as long as the franchise rules allowed) instead of giving him the long-term deal. He got fed up.
If it was me, I'd have sat out until the signing deadline (I think that's 6 games in - some of you contract nerds check me on that) then taken the two weeks they give you to get back in game shape. Bank all the money, suffer only half the wear-and-tear on the body.
Actually I think he and his agent played hardball and lost. Much like Boros(sp?) often does with his clients
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Of course that was their plan. Smart one too had he not held out. They already had him for several seasons of a lot of hits and most RB's don't last that long after a season or two of that. Plus, he had two failed drug tests that already got him suspended once for 4 games so he still has that risk factor as well. No way in hell I'd have paid Bell that much money. I would have traded him more and gotten something for him though. Most teams can produce a solid running game if they have a good Oline and decent talent at RB. I think the Jets will be heavily disappointed with Bell's production on that contract. Maybe not in year one, but after that I think they will.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Not really. The gamble wasn't about money it was about his health. The risk of being injured and losing out on a long term deal wasn't worth it. He may have "lost" 14.5 million by sitting out, but he guaranteed his health for this off-season to be able to sign the deal he did.
not sure about that. I think Bell will be on a "I'll show Pittsburgh what they lost" mission for the foreseeable future.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Maybe for a year, but I've seen a lot more RB's under perform huge contracts than who have. Very few of them actually ever do. He could be one of those rare guys that stays healthy and motivated for years. Or he'll likely perform maybe one year or so out of that contract before injuries pile up on him.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Solid strategy.