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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

OptimisticTexan said:
I don't think anyone offers up a crazy offer for Clowney when they stand to lose a couple of RD1 picks. I think the Texans could get a reasonable deal if they want to move Clowney....maybe a RD1 and RD3. If those become the Raiders picks....it's better than expected value based on slot, their RD3 would be an early pick and the RD1 would probably be their 27.

If Texans had RD1-23 & 27.....Texans could reasonably have McCoy and Risner still on the board. They could have Love and Johnson there in RD2. A DE/EDGE and WR could still be on the board in RD3.

The plus in this move, having (2) RD1-23 & 27, (2) RD2-22 & 23, and (2) RD3-02 & 23 for the 2019 NFL Draft.
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Would take in a heartbeat but I am afraid everyone sees the same thing most of us see in regards to Clowney. I just hope I am wrong. I just hope they are still not trying to sign him to a long term deal.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Quick, can somebody give me the number to Clowney's dealer, because obviously he has some good ****.
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that's really not a bad # when you factor in the rising cap every year, and players salaries going up accordingly. That's what Von Miller got 2 years ago, Donald has $81 guaranteed and Mack $90
 
Shishkabob said:
that's really not a bad # when you factor in the rising cap every year, and players salaries going up accordingly. That's what Von Miller got 2 years ago, Donald has $81 guaranteed and Mack $90
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And all of those guys have what Clowney doesn't, elite DPOY type of production and healthy knees.

If a divisional rival wants to toss us high draft picks for him, so be it.
 
Carr Bombed said:
And all of those guys have what Clowney doesn't, elite DPOY type of production and healthy knees.

If a divisional rival wants to toss us high draft picks for him, so be it.
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Contracts go up yearly, how long did JJ stay as the top dog when it came to pay? Lesser guys started surpassing him the next year, that's how it works
 
Shishkabob said:
that's really not a bad # when you factor in the rising cap every year, and players salaries going up accordingly. That's what Von Miller got 2 years ago, Donald has $81 guaranteed and Mack $90
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Von Miller got $42 mil guaranteed at signing, Donald $50 mil and Mack $60 mil. The remaining amounts became guaranteed if they were on the roster on certain subsequent dates.

Clowney is not as good as any of the 3 and they didn't have his injury history.
 
infantrycak said:
Von Miller got $42 mil guaranteed at signing, Donald $50 mil and Mack $60 mil. The remaining amounts became guaranteed if they were on the roster on certain subsequent dates.

Clowney is not as good as any of the 3 and they didn't have his injury history.
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It wasn't said he wanted $70 at signing, just that he wanted $70 guarenteed

If you don't understand how players contract go up yearly I can't help you there. Like I said JJ's record breaking contract was shortly passed up by other lesser players contracts. That's just the nature of the business
 
Numbers thrown around anywhere but in private between player and team and sometimes even then I usually ignore. If it were to be two firsts it would not be same year so not quite as unreasonable as one might think at first whisper. I don't think Indy is a player for Clowney but for discussion, 1.26 is about where I would start trade talks for JD's value. A 2020 first would have similar value to a round two 2019. That is not unreasonable. While I don't like improving another team especially same division, no way I let that stop me improving my team by significant amount. Most here want CAL to go bold so let them talk. #26 could get us pass rusher Jaylon Ferguson (my choice to replace JD), an excellent CB, Zach Allen, choice of two very good RBs Harris or Jacobs or perhaps Cody Ford. In mock I will post soon, I have us taking taking Ferguson #23 and Ford #27 and picking up two additional seconds. It will take a team to overpay and that is done every season, draft and free agency. With all the gossip flying around at combine about trades, with wise choices with #54 & 55 plus 2-3 FAs like TBone (Brown), Bell and CB Ronald Darby, we might see trade down from #23 opening even more possibilities. Best off season for me in a while and actual deals not done yet.
 
Shishkabob said:
It wasn't said he wanted $70 at signing, just that he wanted $70 guarenteed
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Anything not guaranteed at signing isn't guaranteed at all.

If you don't understand how players contract go up yearly I can't help you there.
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Awww, pwetty pwease?

Try it this way, $70 mil guaranteed would be 4 years minimum. The Texans would be fu@king morons to sign Clowney for that length of time with his knee history.
 
The chiefs are trying to trade dee ford after just franchising him. Hes a true OLB unlike Clowney who I think is more of a 4-3 DE. Chiefs are transitioning to a 4-3. I would reach out to the chiefs if i were the Texans to trade players. But trades like that rarely happen.
 
stingray said:
The chiefs are trying to trade dee ford after just franchising him. Hes a true OLB unlike Clowney who I think is more of a 4-3 DE. Chiefs are transitioning to a 4-3. I would reach out to the chiefs if i were the Texans to trade players. But trades like that rarely happen.
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Chiefs are trying to trade Houston, not Ford
 
leebigeztx said:
Chiefs are trying to trade Houston, not Ford
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https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/8807/dee-ford

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Chiefs are "open" to trading franchise-tagged OLB Dee Ford.

ESPN's Adam Schefter echoes the same thing. New Chiefs DC Steve Spagnuolo is switching the Chiefs' base defense from a 3-4 to a 4-3 front, and Ford isn't viewed as strongly a fit in that style. Ford really elevated his play in his contract year, which is always concerning when it comes time to pay a player, but he's in his prime and would command a high pick in return. The pass-rush market has since dried up with Ford, Jadeveon Clowney, DeMarcus Lawrence, and Frank Clark all getting slapped with the franchise tag this week.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport speculated it might only take a second-round pick to acquire franchise-tagged OLB Dee Ford.

"Maybe someone would throw them a, say, second-round pick," Rapoport said. "It doesn't need to be two ones. A second-round pick, perhaps." The quote did not sound like a hard report, but RapSheet specifically mentioning a second-round pick is interesting. Multiple reports have emerged about the Chiefs wanting to move Ford since they tagged him, and Kansas City has not done anything to tamp down those rumors. There appears to be a real chance Ford is moved in the next couple weeks, especially if the Chiefs only want a second-round pick.
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Mari-OWNED! said:
https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/8807/dee-ford
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Chiefs could be making the same mistake the Texans did.....by trying to make Ford a DE in 4-3 defense. Clowney was a 4-3 DE from the day he was drafted. The Texans insisted on making him a 3-4 OLB. After investing the 1-1 in Clowney, they should've switched to a 4-3 b/c there's no doubt in my mind that the transition would've been in Watt's best interest as well.

Personally, I think a Clowney for Ford deal would be really good for both teams. Put both guys in defenses they are built for and pay them. Another issue removed from the Texans 2019 to do list.
 
stingray said:
The chiefs are trying to trade dee ford after just franchising him. Hes a true OLB unlike Clowney who I think is more of a 4-3 DE. Chiefs are transitioning to a 4-3. I would reach out to the chiefs if i were the Texans to trade players. But trades like that rarely happen.
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Chiefs are trying to trade Houston, not Ford
OptimisticTexan said:
Chiefs could be making the same mistake the Texans did.....by trying to make Ford a DE in 4-3 defense. Clowney was a 4-3 DE from the day he was drafted. The Texans insisted on making him a 3-4 OLB. After investing the 1-1 in Clowney, they should've switched to a 4-3 b/c there's no doubt in my mind that the transition would've been in Watt's best interest as well.

Personally, I think a Clowney for Ford deal would be really good for both teams. Put both guys in defenses they are built for and pay them. Another issue removed from the Texans 2019 to do list.
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Why not trade for Justin Houston and remove the tag from Clowney?
 
Will be interesting to see the trade deal for Antonio Brown. Do you think Clowney should be more or less valuable than AB?
I just hope Texans are taking offers for Clowney.
 
gafftop said:
Will be interesting to see the trade deal for Antonio Brown. Do you think Clowney should be more or less valuable than AB?
I just hope Texans are taking offers for Clowney.
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More valuable

He's a force on the DL and those guys are more valuable than WR's, even more valuable than a great WR like Brown. Plus Clowney is young and AB probably has 3-4 more productive yrs left. That's if Clowney's knee holds up.
 
steelbtexan said:
More valuable

He's a force on the DL and those guys are more valuable than WR's, even more valuable than a great WR like Brown. Plus Clowney is young and AB probably has 3-4 more productive yrs left. That's if Clowney's knee holds up.
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The knee is the variable that makes Clowney's value so hard to determine. Because of the expectation of impending doom, I would really like to see them trade Clowney for draft picks. There are some really good Edge and DL prospects in this draft.
 
Texas Jake said:
The knee is the variable that makes Clowney's value so hard to determine. Because of the expectation of impending doom, I would really like to see them trade Clowney for draft picks. There are some really good Edge and DL prospects in this draft.
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I'm in the camp of I wont be really p!ssed if they trade Clowney or if they keep him. As long as they dont sign him long term.
 
As much as I've been behind trading Clowney, I also realize that no team looking to make a deal will do so without him first clearing a full evaluation of his knee. If his knee proves to be healthy, the pick(s) return could be strong....a RD1 and RD2 or a RD1 and early RD3 would be a great return considering the situation.
 
Would take a rd 1 and early rd3 in a heart beat but I would guess best offer may be a 2nd and a 3rd. Would you take something like this for Clowney?
I think next year at this time if he is not traded we would jump on a 2 and 3. What do y'all think?
 
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xtruroyaltyx said:
If you’re moving on from Clowney you better be able to replace him instantly or the defense will suffer big time.

People can undervalue him all they want but he does a lot for the defense and no it doesn’t always result in sexy stats.
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I wonder if it would be possible to trade Clowney then sign Trey Flowers In FA. I bet we could get 85% of Clowney’s production at a reduced price. In fact, if we could take Clowney’s money and add an inside rusher plus Flowers (it would take a little more but we’ve got the space) we might be a better Defense on the whole
 
gafftop said:
Will be interesting to see the trade deal for Antonio Brown. Do you think Clowney should be more or less valuable than AB?
I just hope Texans are taking offers for Clowney.
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I dunno would Brian Gaine part with Clowney for a second round pick ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I dunno would Brian Gaine part with Clowney for a second round pick ?
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I don't think one 2nd would be enough. 2nd this year and 2nd next year, or and 2nd and 3rd maybe. I think we need multiple picks. It will be interesting to see if something does develop. I have heard nothing about JD in trade rumors to this point.
 
infantrycak said:
High 2nd? Obviously more is better, but Clowney is a unique case.

Dude has always been odd for me. Didn't want to draft him, have since been impressed more than most but still want clear before the grenade goes off.
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Can't believe for 3 time pro bowler we are talking about a 2nd round draft choice. I just hope we underestimate him more than the people that matter. Hope raiders don't go for AB because if they do I don't think JD is in their future. He has unlimited physical ability when healthy but even when healthy he seems to lack something. Concerned about last game against Colts. Again I feel when you get to the playoffs against a good QB, good OL and good OC the DL rush gets nullified. OL, Secondary, WR, and RB could be considered a higher priority for Texans than keeping JD even if he didn't have injury concern. I again don't think you get a RD 1 for him but at least a 2nd and a 4th maybe. Obviously more is better.
 
gafftop said:
Can't believe for 3 time pro bowler we are talking about a 2nd round draft choice. I just hope we underestimate him more than the people that matter. Hope raiders don't go for AB because if they do I don't think JD is in their future. He has unlimited physical ability when healthy but even when healthy he seems to lack something. Concerned about last game against Colts. Again I feel when you get to the playoffs against a good QB, good OL and good OC the DL rush gets nullified. OL, Secondary, WR, and RB could be considered a higher priority for Texans than keeping JD even if he didn't have injury concern. I again don't think you get a RD 1 for him but at least a 2nd and a 4th maybe. Obviously more is better.
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A huge part of that was RAC getting extremely conservative (maybe due to injury)at the end of last year and being very predictable. Played much more man than ciustomary and got burnt I have no concerns about Clowneys between the tackles play, but he needs to grow up and stop the silly. Clowney for now is a plus, but I trust in CnD that he is a ticking time bomb. You have to trust your people (#Texansarescrewed) and go with what you think best . Personally, I would be happy with a high second this year and a first next. Clowneys do't grow on trees, and it only takes one to believe
 
otisbean said:
I wonder if it would be possible to trade Clowney then sign Trey Flowers In FA. I bet we could get 85% of Clowney’s production at a reduced price. In fact, if we could take Clowney’s money and add an inside rusher plus Flowers (it would take a little more but we’ve got the space) we might be a better Defense on the whole
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Flowers will not be reduced price. With all the top pass rushers being franchised, Flowers is the best guy available.

He's going to get paid.
 
WolverineFan said:
Flowers will not be reduced price. With all the top pass rushers being franchised, Flowers is the best guy available.

He's going to get paid.
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I know he’s going to get paid, i just think his contract would be slightly less then Clowney, as Clowney is the better overall player
 
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