CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
From what I hear, the Texans are planning to have Clowney play DE, not OLB. This may theoretically be better for his production, but it is definitely not better for the wear on his knees.
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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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Hervoyel
BUENO!
Well, at this point aren't his knees pretty much on the way out anyway? Lets get the man a couple of years (at best) of high production before J.J.'s back goes out again and see if we can't let these two broken down Texans stars ride off into the sunset with a ring in their possession I say.
NFL careers are short so it's time to go balls out before the door completely closes on these guys playing days.
Shishkabob
All Pro
Knee transplant? my knees are about the only thing I haven't messed up on my body I'll donate them if it brings us a SB lol
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Unfortunately, a couple of years without further significant injury is unlikely. Once the knees are in the shape his are in, you not only see progression of the degeneration but also a slew of compensatory injuries as exactly what he has demonstrated in just the past year....................foot injury, knee injury, ankle injury, back to knee injury, back to ankle injury, back to knee injury, back to ankle injury and finally, toe injury. Then, a scope for his microfracture knee in the offseason. Realistically, you can expect a continuance and progression of any or all of these injuries, until..................
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I wonder how much of this is Clowney pushing to play DE for the higher paycheck. And how much is the Texans trying to get everything they can out of him before ultimately allowing him to sign elsewhere.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Exactly. Might as well go balls-out and try to get that ring and that money while he can still make it.
Nobody plays football forever.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Too bad Rick Smith isnt the GM still ... JDC would have had his deal already. Instead the team will try to play hardball, something they are not good at without making themselves look like incompetent fools. JDC will play GREAT this year. Next year? Well we'll just franchise tag him HA There how you like that JDC? wait .. what is wrong with your hamstring JDC? Oh no its tweaked? damn that could linger all year oh well.
Following year? JDC signs 100M deal with an organization that actually knows what they are doing and have a semblance of loyalty. If Brian Cushing can get a long term deal after a horrible knee injury and after being popped for steriods why cant JDC get his deal after a simple clean up scope procedure? SMH.
Following year? JDC signs 100M deal with an organization that actually knows what they are doing and have a semblance of loyalty. If Brian Cushing can get a long term deal after a horrible knee injury and after being popped for steriods why cant JDC get his deal after a simple clean up scope procedure? SMH.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
How did the Cushing contract work out for the Texans again?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah he kinda just supported/proved everyone's point (including the team's that he's trying to bash) with his own argument. Lol.
I can't tell if your being serious or not....
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I definitely need to use the kitty with yarn emoji or /s more often. Might prevent all the resident Super Fans from riding my dick so much.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Sadly and embarrassingly, he is being serious
http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/2018-texans-player-transactions.112919/page-15#post-2828871
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
C&D you have real medical expertise of course, well you should, it's your profession. But what you say here C&D should be pretty obvious to any medical doctor who deals with NFL players medically on a regular basis, right ? Therefor why would any NFL team with a staff that includes someone with this kind of knowledge even consider extending an offer of a lucrative long-term contract to Clowney at this point in his career?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
A good question......and one for which I don't have a great explanation. Remember, the Texans medical staff, not an outside surgeon, made original assessments prior to Draft, after the meniscus tear having him return to play early, performed all the surgeries and follow ups. It is difficult when one entity has control of the entire process, and there are potential questions as to the each step that has led to the present condition/situation. Questional decisions and questionable handling regarding an overall #1 pick becomes much more glaring than in a 3rd rnd pick, and embarrassing to all involved when the end results are also questionable as well. Selling management with the "best case" scenario.........a very unrealistic scenario, can be in hopes of not losing the confidence of the FO. I would hope not. Bottom line, most FOs (who know very little about the conswuences and long-term prognosis of injuries) rely heavily on their medical staff to offer them sound advice, which they can then apply to their financial decisions. Of course, if there is a "renegade" in the FO, all bets are off.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
As bad as it sounds, tagging Clowney twice is the team's best option.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I dont know why Doc reminds me so much of Matthew Modine's character from Any Given Sunday .. No offense Doc.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
And after both years playing on the tag, with no long term commitment from the team, Clowney shows he is in perfect health and says 'no thanks' to a resign here. Hey at least you get 2 more good years out of him. Add to that the PR nightmare when Clowney starts bashing the team and its just a trainwreck waiting to happen. If this team is not going to invest in JDC then they should trade him.
PapaL
Loose Screw
If he shows up healthy after 2 years of being tagged and wants to leave, cool. He would have made a boat load of money in Houston AND would have a mega-contract from his new team. Sounds like everyone is a winner in that case. You may be entertained but this is a business. I'm a huge Clowney fan but we need to protect ourselves; even if that means he walks in 3 years.
frethack
Rookie
I actually agree with this...from a business standpoint. But I dont think they should offer Clowney a contract unless Gaine is willing to do it mid season (which hes stated publicly that he wouldnt). If at the end of the season Watt is fine and our DL and OLBs look good, we should tag and trade Clowney. If the DL and OLBs struggle, but Clowney has healthy and beastly year, they should offer a contract.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I like you Pap .. always have. You keep a level head and always have good takes. Business also has to have a level of humanity. Its easy for us to say "no way he aint worth the money cuz he might get hurt" but then fans hardly look at it from the players perspective. (yes they are rich, coddled guys) but for the most part they want to be treated like the team actually wants them. Where is the connection when everything has to be based on the "what if" of the future? Its hard to create lasting relationships that way IMO.
I think it would be cheaper and more loyal to sign JDC sooner, but I guess I'm just used to the past where players who performed for this team were rewarded injury or not. Taking the hardball approach will no doubt help the bottom line (not like the team is hurting for money mind you) but it could hurt the already shaky reputation this team has with its owners tendencies and now not taking care of their guys unless fully healthy? Not sure that free agents will put this team at the top of their list with those types of moves, I mean all that money last year and our big splash was Aaron Colvin? Hmmm.
I get protecting the money trust me I do, Im looking at the guy who has been grinding for this team, who is now a 2 time pro bowler and who is healthy RIGHT NOW. I dont want to play the Great Jambi and pretend to know what happens in the future.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Even if Clowney is MVP this year they shouldn't offer a contract. He's a hand grenade with the pin pulled. It's going off.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Did I touch your sore spot?
badboy
Hall of Fame
badboy
Hall of Fame
not arguing but I think Badger even coming off injury was bigger splash than Colvin. Fulton as a starting OG and $28 million contract was decent splash also. McKinney's extension caused bit more than a ripple at 5 years $51 + million and $21 m guaranteed.
Chance_C
All Pro
If there ever was a candidate for the franchise tag JDC fits the bill. Love him but dude's gotta prove he can stay healthy. Being tagged one year much less two years in a row and that dude is set for life. If I'm him I say bring it on, prove I can stay healthy and then really bank. If I can't stay healthy I'm still an effing multi millionaire!
Uncle Rico
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Quick question would you have signed JDC after last year if he doesn't get the scope?
I expect him to kill it this season and silence some critics. We're talking about a guy who played 16 games last year and was a pro bowler and probably the best run defending DL in the game.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
"I’m good to go. I’m ready to go. My knee feels great. It felt great. It’s been feeling good.
“It’s very important to get out there and get some live plays, because I’m going to be getting out there with the guys I’m going to be playing with during the season. We need to get our chemistry together, and I haven’t been out there with them. So for me to get out there and get going, it’ll be great for me. I’m good enough to play.”
“I don’t really pay any attention. It’s all about football and trying to win games. Super Bowl, that’s the goal. All this working out during the offseason and training and getting in shape and eating healthy is all for one reason, and that’s the Super Bowl.” --- Jadeveon Clowney.
“It’s very important to get out there and get some live plays, because I’m going to be getting out there with the guys I’m going to be playing with during the season. We need to get our chemistry together, and I haven’t been out there with them. So for me to get out there and get going, it’ll be great for me. I’m good enough to play.”
“I don’t really pay any attention. It’s all about football and trying to win games. Super Bowl, that’s the goal. All this working out during the offseason and training and getting in shape and eating healthy is all for one reason, and that’s the Super Bowl.” --- Jadeveon Clowney.
Uncle Rico
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McKnney is hindsight from the free agent frenzy, glad you mentioned it because McKinney gets his early deal? It's a wierd precedent to say you must be fully healthy to sign long term here. Badger is on a 'prove it' deal with no loyalty to Houston. He sees an opportunity to play on a good defense and is no lock to stay here past this year. So in the end the Texans may end up paying more than they needed to in order to get their piece of mind. Throw hometown discounts out the window. I'm gonna hold my breath on Fulton after the Larry Allen fiasco.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
They say that irony is lost on Americans, and to see a man who bases his character around the film Napoleon Dynamite, complain of Europeans having a strange sense of humour certainly lends weight to the theory.
That does explain A LOT.
I had no idea who that was in his avatar before you posted this.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-look-at-the-top-players-in-next-years-class/
I'm still onboard with 2 franchise tags and wishing JDC the best in his future endeavors.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Riiight, because again excusing and supporting making light of a tragic death in comparison to a player in question is ok? And somehow my avatar and '''character" is so ironic that I can't pick up on the humor?
SMH.
Max
Veteran
Making light of a tragic death? Or maybe just an example of someone saying how they feel not equating to good health.
I'm with you on this DocBar.
JD is already a rich young man and one year, certainly two years of the FT would make him an even richer young man.
This really comes down to, do you think Clowney's knees are going to hold up past 3 yrs? That's not a risk I would be willing to take. Our very own CnD has spoken about the likely outcome and how long the microfracture surgery will hold up.
Plus after the Reed/Cushing fiascos I'm not setting myself up to be burned again.
As far as McNair and $$$$ go you all know my thoughts on the old man and his $$$$ being 1st and foremost and putting a quality product on the field is way down his priority list.
But hey they do have 30 mil in cap space they're sitting on and Miller as their feature RB. So there is that.
Max
Veteran
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/..._pistol-pete-maravich-heart-attack-basketball
There's a couple of variations of what those final words were but they are all similar that he said he was feeling good. No disrespect intended, just making the point that what someone says about how they feel doesn't always line up with their actual medical condition. And I agree on the MRI comment. I'll trust that over what someone says, especially someone trying to get a contract that may have been coached up by his agent on what to say.
How long can a tagged player sit out and still earn an accrued season? 6 games? That's how many games a season you'll get from Clowney with your plan.
badboy
Hall of Fame
the good thing with Clowney is we have his 5th (2018) season to evaluate him on. Of course he can then go elsewhere [barring a tag]but he can be very wealthy here as well as elsewhere. Of course a Buffalo contract for Williams could happen. The good thing is Watt has scolded JD in the past and also praised him. I think Clowney wants to play here. No way do I see him sit out any games if not truly able to play. This season is his money maker and a healthy defense helps him even if he doesn't play same role as when JJ was out.
I doubt that scenario. How many did Cousins sit out? How many will Bell sit out? It's one thing to talk big in OTAs or TC, but a whole other can of worms when a player starts missing those game checks. I'd definitely be up for a sign and trade deal, if one was offered that was good enough. I haven't put much thought into what would be good compensation for him, though.
The Reed/Cushing/Foster/Schaub fiascos?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Not often the Texans win on 2nd contracts. AJ and Mercilus come to mind but that’s it off the top of my head... well Duane Brown but he didn’t like that 2nd contract once the guaranteed money ran dry.
My mind was more on the fact that those players got pretty nice extensions while coming off of major injuries.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Agreed on that point. Why I said Texans have swung and missed a lot on second contracts. Could be a coincidence the other guys had major injuries.
Fred
Veteran
Disagree. He's not Duane Brown. Although there would be a lot better chance he would be healthly for the playoffs if he held out 6 games a year.
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The 2019 cap is projected to be almost $190 million. Clowney will want to be paid by the Texans or be traded to someone that will pay him. His only leverage is holding out. And it's not really holding out if you don't have a signed contract.